Other powerful Roman families

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by aronia

My issue isnt with Roman Catholicism but Queen Semiramis witchcraft. Craig

If you're not Craig Oxley then I owe you big apology SORRY.

[aronia]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

If you're not Craig Oxley then I owe you big apology SORRY.

No i`m not Craig Oxley...

[grandsecretary]

Why are you posting these Italian family histories? What is your point?

[91181]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

If you're not Craig Oxley then I owe you big apology SORRY.

You accuse anyone of posting info about about the black nobility families of being Oxley, your a joke..



Good thread aronia , these families obviously have emmence wealth and power . I look forward to researching there activities further...

[moon monkey]

Originally Posted by grandsecretary

Why are you posting these Italian family histories? What is your point?

Possibly because this is the Illuminati / Secret Societies section of the forum and it is interesting to some of us?

[grandsecretary]

Originally Posted by moon monkey

Possibly because this is the Illuminati / Secret Societies section of the forum and it is interesting to some of us?

So what are you saying? That these families are the Illuminati, some members are Illuminati, or that these families are, in themselves some form of secret society?

They are certainly powerful, but I am just trying to get at what is being suggested, alleged or proven.

[moon monkey]

Originally Posted by grandsecretary

So what are you saying? That these families are the Illuminati, some members are Illuminati, or that these families are, in themselves some form of secret society?

They are certainly powerful, but I am just trying to get at what is being suggested, alleged or proven.

I am not saying anything, I after all did not start this thread.

The information presented is illustrating in some detail more of the "bloodline" family connections to power that have been held since ancient times and continue to this day through blood and inter marriage.

I'm sure you are aware of the massively incestuous web of power families that have always held the true power in the world and as far as they are concerned, always will. I take it you are aware of the delightful Windsors as they are now known as they perfectly illustrate how this system of careful inbreeding works to their advantage.

[grandsecretary]

Originally Posted by moon monkey

I am not saying anything, I after all did not start this thread.

The information presented is illustrating in some detail more of the "bloodline" family connections to power that have been held since ancient times and continue to this day through blood and inter marriage.

I'm sure you are aware of the massively incestuous web of power families that have always held the true power in the world and as far as they are concerned, always will. I take it you are aware of the delightful Windsors as they are now known as they perfectly illustrate how this system of careful inbreeding works to their advantage.

Well, why did you answer my posting if you either did not say anything, or did not understand or agree with what was said?

I am aware of the connections, and the animosities, between the aristocratic families of Europe. This thread is entitles Illuminati/Secret Societies. My question stands.

Thank you any way for your contribution.

[moon monkey]

Originally Posted by grandsecretary

Well, why did you answer my posting if you either did not say anything, or did not understand or agree with what was said?

I am aware of the connections, and the animosities, between the aristocratic families of Europe. This thread is entitles Illuminati/Secret Societies. My question stands.

Thank you any way for your contribution.

I answered because you directed a question at me. If my answer was in any way unclear let me clarify or better qualify it for you.

By their very nature these "bloodline" families can be characterized as "illuminati" in the modern and popular sense of it's meaning.

That is my understanding and as I see it, that is precisely the reason it is relevant to this area of the forum.

[grandsecretary]

Oh I don't think so. Most of the aristocracy that I have met are as dim as a second hand light bulb. Inbreeding is very unhealthy, and it causes any number of physical and mental defects.

[moon monkey]

Originally Posted by grandsecretary

Oh I don't think so. Most of the aristocracy that I have met are as dim as a second hand light bulb. Inbreeding is very unhealthy, and it causes any number of physical and mental defects.

I'd be inclined to agree as I have also met a number, including royalty. Not at all illuminating !

[aronia]

GENERAL MEDICI ??



MITA MEDICI

http://www.life.com/image/83543019

ROME - SEPTEMBER 24: Italian actress Isabella Ferrari poses with award for Best Actress during the Pasinetti Awards at Villa Medici on September 24, 2008 in Rome, Italy.

PALAZZO MEDICI

[aronia]

If you haven't already included the Medici's, your delaying their influence. Their line included 4 Pope's and they intermarried with all of the Farnese lines. Their power was from Florence, which was a Guelph stronghold. Ironically without Florence, Umbria, and the Valley of the Tiber, Rome can't survive. Medici were enemies of the reformation. Napoleon Bonaparte's father or mother???? is a descendant of the Medici's. And there is also a French line.

-Anonymous

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by grandsecretary

So what are you saying? That these families are the Illuminati, some members are Illuminati, or that these families are, in themselves some form of secret society?

They are certainly powerful, but I am just trying to get at what is being suggested, alleged or proven.

Powerful people albeit temporary pull certain strings.

Originally Posted by grandsecretary

Inbreeding is very unhealthy, and it causes any number of physical and mental defects.

Would that be Psychopathic defects.

[hadabusa]

Originally Posted by aronia

If you haven't already included the Medici's, your delaying their influence. Their line included 4 Pope's and they intermarried with all of the Farnese lines. Their power was from Florence, which was a Guelph stronghold. Ironically without Florence, Umbria, and the Valley of the Tiber, Rome can't survive. Medici were enemies of the reformation. Napoleon Bonaparte's father or mother???? is a descendant of the Medici's. And there is also a French line.

-Anonymous

lol.anonymous.

only 2medicis have been popes.


post intermarriage bs cant count,or thered be couple popes too many in history.

the medici also lost almost all wealth towards the end of the dynasty, lol, they almost died out due2no kids at 1point.

[aronia]

I wonder how Machiavelli factors into this Roman drama? I do know he is tied to the Medici's (which is of course common knowledge) and that his work has been an inspiration to illuminist demagogues the world over.

Not to mention, he is one of the few (all of them could be considered having illuminist ideas, or illuminists themselves, and have been a great inspiration and model to the New World Government) that we study as Political Scientists in our Universities (including Plato, Hegel, Marx, the Catholic thinkers, et all.) It is always nice to know that our university system indoctrinates and programs our future political thinkers this way.

[aronia]

(FAMILY) Pitti PALACE (Florence) [connected with the : Medicis-Lorraine-Savoy-Toledo]

IN SPANISH:

http://www.foroxerbar.com/viewtopic.php?t=8077

This work is dedicated to Pitti Palace in Florence in Italy. The Florentine palace located on the left bank of the Arno, between the Place Pitti and the Boboli Gardens was originally built as a residence for the banker Luca Pitti (to which it owes its name), entrusting the project to Brunelleschi, who began work in 1440 .

According to experts: The approach differs from the Pitti Palace, which until then had been done in European civil architecture and buildings which until then had primarily a defensive character. In the palace there is the integration of the building in the area citizen, going to be part of it, although the palace was located in what might be called the outside of Florence.

In the next century, and before the unstoppable economic power of the Medici, the Pitti family sold the palace to this family, which gave him the splendor of it enjoys today. To this charge an expansion project and remodeling Bartolomeo Ammannati consisted in transforming the town into a real palace of pleasure. Ammannati transformed and expanded the main facade and I think one of the most beautiful Renaissance courtyard, the Cortile dell 'Ammannati, inside the Palace.

The facades of the Palazzo Pitti, in the courtyard are arranged on three floors, separated by a cornice and topped by a balustrade. It introduces the classic succession of orders, Doric on the first floor, Ionic on the second and Corinthian in the third. Also decorated with padding, which will be typical of Florentine civic architecture. This padding is repeated as such on the main facade.

In the seventeenth century, the architect Giorgio Vasari involved in building the Vasari Corridor. This corridor is a large gallery that crosses many streets of Florence, including the Arno River. It was built with the aim of uniting the Pitti Palace with the Palazzo Vecchio and the Uffizi through the Ponte Vecchio, the Medici family allowing move freely between their two residences Florence without "down" on the streets, thus avoiding potential hazards when exposed to population. However, this corridor had another more important function: to serve as an art gallery as the Medici collection had grown so much that the idea of having ideo along this corridor so that the family could enjoy it as they rode through the streets of Florence.

From the sumptuous interior of Palazzo Pitti, we highlight several stays: Prometheus Hall, Hall of San Giovanni, the throne room, the salon of Hercules, decorated by Pedro Benvenuti, the Logetta, living on Mars, the room of the lilies, one of the oldest and the Leonardo room, with important works of this artist.

Behind the palace lie the beautiful Boboli gardens, designed by Tribole.

I hope that the collection of information and images that I got you like them.



PALACE PITTI



The Palazzo Pitti is a huge Renaissance palace in Florence, Italy. Situated on the south bank of the Arno, a short distance from the Ponte Vecchio. The aspect of the present palazzo dates from 1458 and was originally the town residence of Luca Pitti, a Florentine banker. It was bought by the Medici family in 1539 as the official residence of the Grand Dukes of Tuscany.



In the nineteenth century, the palace was used as a base by Napoleon I, and then served for a short period of time, as the official residence of the Kings of Italy. In the early twentieth century, the palace and its contents were donated to the Italian people by Victor Emmanuel III as its doors were opened to the public and became one of the largest art galleries in Florence. Today, it remains a public museum, but has expanded the initial collections.



The facade of the Pitti Palace overlooking the Boboli Gardens, widening of the original Palatine

HISTORY



Tinted photograph of the Pitti Palace (early twentieth century), still known as La Residenza Reale following the residency of King Emmanuel II between 1865 to 1871, when Florence was the capital of the United

Origins of the Palazzo Pitti. The construction of this harsh and imposing building was commissioned in 1458 by the Florentine banker Luca Pitti, a friend and ally of Cosimo Médicis.La early history of this palace is a blend of myth and reality. Luca Pitti is said that he wanted to build a large palace that dislodged Palazzo Medici Riccardi, giving precise instructions about the size of the windows (they debáin be greater than the portico of Palazzo Medici-Riccardi). Illustrated personalities as Vasari proposed that Brunelleschi was the true architect of the palace and that his pupil Luca Fancelli simply made the job of assistant. Currently, the design is attributed to Fancelli palace.


Lucca Pitti


Leonor Alvarez de Toledo


Luca Pitti (1398 - 1472) began work at the palace to 1458; Leonor di Toledo, Grand Duchess of Tuscany, bought the palazzo from the Pitti in 1549. Portrait of Agnolo Bronzino

Apart from the obvious stylistic differences between the two architects, Brunelleschi died twelve years before work began on the palace. The design and positioning of the openings suggest that Fancelli had more experience in utilitarian domestic architecture than in man-made rules defined by Alberti in De Re-construction manual.



The original palace, although impressive, no rival in terms of size and content with the magnificence of the Medici family residences. The architect was counter to the fashion of the time, because the cushion of the stone masonry reinforced by the repetition of windows and arches give the palazzo a severe and harsh, resembling a Roman aqueduct (art all'antica). This original design has withstood the test of time, since the formula of the façade was maintained during the successive enlargements of the palace, extending its influence during his time numerous imitations and recreations of the eighteenth century.



The work of the palace were stopped after suffered financial losses as a result of Luca Pitti death of Cosimo de Medici in 1464, the building unfinished at his death in 1472.


Vault painted in 1599 by Giusto Utens that reproduces the original Palace, Boboli Gardens and Amphitheater

The building was sold in 1549 by Buonaccorso Pitti, a descendant of Luca, Eleanor of Toledo, wife of Cosimo I de 'Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, and had been educated at the luxurious court of Naples. On moving into the palace, Cosimo had Vasari enlargement of the palace to suit your tastes and needs.

[aronia]

Relief on the facade of the Pitti Palace. The greatly increased size of the palace and built an elevated walkway from the former royal residence, the Palazzo Vecchio, crossing the Ponte Vecchio and the Uffizi, the Palazzo Pitti.

In addition, acquired some land to fund the palace on the hill of Boboli, to create a large park, the Boboli Gardens. Landscapers who worked on this project were Niccolo Tribolo and Bartolommeo Ammanati. The original design of the garden surrounding an amphitheater, located behind the corps de logisdel palace, where plays were performed playwrights of the stature of Giovanni Battista Cini for the cultivated Florentine court


Martyrdom of Saint Agatha by Sebastiano del Piombo, bought by the Medici to its renowned collections.


Il Genio di Casa Medici, statua bronzea di Bartolomeo Ammannati

Expansions

When completed the project of the gardens, Ammanati focused on building a great cortile (patio) after the main facade, to join the palace garden with brand new. So that was the same level as the plaza, had to dig into the hillside of Boboli. The fluted masonry of this court has been copied in many palaces, as did Marie de Medici at his residence in Paris, the Luxembourg. It introduced into the façade of finestre inginocchiate, 1 replacing the inlet openings on both sides.

Between 1558 and 1570, Ammanati built a monumental staircase that provided access to more pomp to the piano nobile, and added two wings to the palace, surrounding the newly created court. On the side facing the garden, he designed a cave called Grotto of Moses, by the statue of porphyry situated therein, and on the upper terrace level of the windows of the piano nobile, the Source of Carciofo, 2 designed by the wizard Giambologna, Francesco Susini (1641).


Gladiatore. Portico del cortile di Palazzo Pitti a Firenze.

In 1616 he opened a competition to design the expansion of the main urban facade by three bays at each end which Giulio Parigi won. Work on the north side began in 1618 and in the south in 1631, the latter by Alfonso Parigi.



During the eighteenth century, two perpendicular wings were constructed, designed by architect Giuseppe Ruggeri to create a central square in front of the façade, the prototype of Cour d'honeu then copied in France. Many other minor alterations and additions were made through the years under different rulers and by different architects.



Nineteenth-century architectural drawing on the Pitti Palace



The Lorraine and Savoy

The palace was the principal residence of the Medici to death in 1737 the last heir to the lineage, John Gaston de 'Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany. The property then passed into the hands of the new dukes, members of the House of Lorraine, in the person of Francis I, Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. The palace owned by the Austrians was briefly interrupted by Napoleon, who used the palace as a residence during his rule in Italy.

When in 1860, Tuscany became a province of the Kingdom of Italy, the palace became property of the House of Savoy. After the Risorgimento, when Florence was briefly the capital of Italy, King used it as a residence until 1871. His grandson, Victor Emmanuel III gave the palace to the nation in 1919.



Aerial view of Palazzo Pitti, the Boboli Gardens in the background. The palace and other buildings in the Boboli Gardens were divided into five galleries and a museum, home to most of its original contents and various state procurement. The 140 rooms open to the public belongs to the original kernel extensions that were made in the XVII and XVII. Antique interiors have been preserved and later additions, like the throne room. In 2005 the baths were discovered in the eighteenth century, showing plumbing very similar to current health.

Palace Galleries



The Palazzo Pitti is currently the largest museum complex in Florence. The main building Palatine, usually called corps de logis has an area of 32000 square meters and is divided into sections cited here.

[aronia]

Palatine Gallery (Pitti Palace)


Rafael. The evening. 1515 -1516. Oil on canvas. 82 x 60.5 cm. Palatine Gallery. Palazzo Pitti


The Palatine Gallery, located on the piano nobile of the palace, is probably the most famous group which once formed part of the famous Medici collections. This museum, which runs through the royal apartments, contains works by Raphael, Titian, Correggio, Rubens and Pietro da Cortona, and others. He continues to maintain the appearance of a private collection, for works of art are arranged in the manner of a palace, instead of the typical placement of museums.



La cosiddetta The main rooms were decorated by Pietro da Cortona in baroque style, he painted frescoes in seven halls of the palace. In fact, it is considered one of his best work the vast series of frescoes in the Sala della Stuff (1637 - 1642), representing the Golden Age, Silver Age, Copper Age and Iron Age, and Chambers of Mars, Jupiter and Venere (1647), which served as models for the Salon des Planetes of Le Brun at the Palace of Versailles. The rest of the rooms were filled to the seventeenth century by Ciro Ferri. The collection was opened to the public for the first time at the end of the eighteenth century by Grand Duke Pietro Leopoldo, who wanted to gain popularity after the end of the Medici dynasty.


Copia cinquecentesca del cosiddetto -Antinoo capitolino-, sullo scalone d'ingresso di Palazzo Pitti a Firenze.


Bacchus Statue in the Palazzo Pitti.

Royal Apartments

Here are a set of 14 rooms, formally used by the Medici family and their descendants. These rooms have been substantially altered since the Medici era, mostly during the nineteenth century and contains a collection of portraits of the Medici, many of them Sustermans Giusto.

In contrast to the great halls of the gallery palate, many of these rooms are small and intimate but luxurious and formal, are more attuned to everyday needs. King of Italy used as a royal residence until 1920, Pitti Palace, as though he had become a museum, some farms were reserved for visits to Florence.



Modern Art Gallery

This vast collection, which extends over 30 quarters, including works by artists of the movement you Macchiaioli Italian and other modern schools. The paintings of this movement, along with schools of nineteenth-century Tuscany (directed by Giovanni Fattori were precursors of Impressionism. The period in this gallery is from 1800 to 1939, because art after World War II (contemporary art), exhibited at the Centro per l'Arte Contemporanea Luigi Pecci in the city of Prato.


Portico del cortile di Palazzo Pitti a Firenze. Frammento di volto antico-romano di divinità, completato nel XVI secolo come busto di Pirro.

Silver Museum

The Silver Museum, sometimes called "The Medici Treasury," contains a valuable collection of silver, cameos, work in semi-precious gems and jewelry from antiquity, both belonging to the collection of Lorenzo de Medici. These rooms were part of the private apartments, decorated in frescoes by painters of the seventeenth century as Giovanni di San Giovanni. The Silver Museum also has a magnificent collection of German silver, donated by the Grand Duke Ferdinand when after the defeat of Napoleon in 1815.


Sommer, Giorgio (1834-1891) - Venere del Canova (Firenze) ca. 1860

Porcelain Museum

This collection was opened to the public for the first time in 1973, settling in the "Casino del Cavaliere" in the Boboli Gardens, and is composed of pieces of the most famous European factories (Sèvres, Meissen, Capodimonte ...). Many pieces are diplomatic gifts from foreign courts, and others were ordered by the court of Grand Duke. The jewels of the collection are the Servivios dinner from the factory of Vincennes, and Capodimonte bisque figures.


Hall Prometheus

Costume Gallery

This gallery, located in a wing of the palace known as Meridian Palazzina, consists of a set of theatrical costumes covering the sixteenth century to our days and funeral garments of the Grand Duke Cosimo, his wife Eleanor and his son Garcia. This collection was opened in 1983 by Kristen Aschengreen Piacenti.



Hall ST. Giovanni

Carriage Museum

Located on the ground floor of the palace, the Carriage Museum shows floats and other couplings that were used in the grand ducal court in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. There are a variety of carriages, from the simplest to the most ostentatious, such as "Carrozza d'Oro", decorated with gold leaf and landscapes. Other points of interest are the carriages of the King of the Two Sicilies and of the archbishops of Florence.


Throne Room

[aronia]

hall della tazza (1897)

The Palace Today

Compared with many of the great palaces of Italy, the Pitti Palace stands not at first sight, in particular, does not have the imposing and impressive presence of the Royal Palace of Caserta, and the appearance of strength of Turin, or the elegance of the Royal Palace Naples or the Quirinal.



The architectural significance of the Pitti Palace is its severity and simplicity, a structure that has been copied repeatedly to throughout history. Draws attention to the magnificence of size, strength and the reflection of light in the repetitive structure of the stone facade, in which the vast and solid cushion plays down the ornamentation and elegance of design. As in many Italian palaces, you must enter the building to fully appreciate its architecture.



The gardens of the amphitheater in the park of Boboli, Palazzo Pitti.



Vasari Corridor



In the seventeenth century, the architect Giorgio Vasari involved in building the Vasari Corridor. This corridor is a large gallery that crosses many streets of Florence, including the Arno River.

It was built with the aim of uniting the Pitti Palace with the Palazzo Vecchio and the Uffizi through the Ponte Vecchio, the Medici family allowing move freely between their two residences Florentine (the palace in the center Vecchio and the Palazzo Pitti in the suburbs) without "down" on the streets, avoiding exposure to potential hazards to the population. However, this corridor had another more important function: to serve as an art gallery as the Medici collection had grown so much that the idea of having ideo along this corridor so that the family could enjoy it as they rode through the streets of Florence.



The head of this new feature was Cosimo I de 'Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, who converted the palace into an art gallery, a function which still holds, and why it is known mundilamente. In this century, Pietro da Cortona and his followers carried out the historic frescoes decorating the walls of the palace. Also are continuous extensions of the building, mainly due to Parifi and Ruggieri



This "Museum-Vasari Corridor in Florence" has an important collection of paintings and sculptures that "you can visit" at the top of the oldest bridge in Florence, the most comprehensive collection of self portraits in the world. It is a spectacular museum, unique.



At the top, on one side of the Ponte Vecchio can be appreciate the corridor, where it is now a museum. During the Second World War, unlike other bridges in Florence the Ponte Vecchio was not destroyed by the Germans during their retreat on August 4, 1944. According to tradition this was due to an express order of Hitler. But the Germans blocked access to the Ponte Vecchio, through the destruction of buildings in close proximity to both headers.