Ancient Forms of Pre-Islamic Pagan Worship - Page 2

lightgiver · 14-11-2011, 11:55 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Sayid_Umar.jpg
An early picture of Abu Hamza al-Masri, prior to losing an eye in an explosion...

Abu Hamza al-Masri (Arabic: أبو حمزة المصري, Abū Ḥamzah al-Maṣrī) (born 15 April 1958, Alexandria) is an Egyptian Sunni activist known for his preaching of a violent and politicised interpretation of Islam, also known as militant Islamism or jihadism...

Abu Hamza al-Masri was born in Alexandria, Egypt as Mustafa Kamel Mustafa in 1958, the son of a middle class army officer. In 1979, he entered the UK on a student visa...He acquired British citizenship following three years of marriage and acquired a job as a bouncer for a peep show in Soho.

His initial reaction to life in Britain was to describe it as "a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted". He studied civil engineering at Brighton Polytechnic...On 16 May 1980, he married Valerie Traverso, a Roman Catholic convert to Islam...In 1984, he remarried, to a woman named Nadjet, with whom he has seven children.

In January 2006, while on trial, he accused the Jewish people of being "blasphemous, treacherous and dirty" and explained that this was "why Hitler was sent into the world". He also called for "a world dominated by a caliph, sitting in the White House"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri

lightgiver · 15-11-2011, 02:00 AM

Seven pillars of Ismailism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seven pillars of Ismailism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver · 15-11-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Exorcist

Zu - evil storm god represented as a black bird...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N7wn...yer_detailpage
http://youtu.be/9N7wnhaVk5w

In Assyrian and Babylonian mythology, Pazuzu (Sometimes Fazuzu or Pazuza) was the king of the demons of the wind, and son of the god Hanbi...

He also represented the southwestern wind, the bearer of storms and drought...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4UuH...yer_detailpage
http://youtu.be/m4UuH50gfK0

Information can destroy...So we'll treat you just like toys...

First we gave you the wheel...Then we made you live to kill.

blackyblue · 15-11-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lightgiver

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Sayid_Umar.jpg
An early picture of Abu Hamza al-Masri, prior to losing an eye in an explosion...

Abu Hamza al-Masri (Arabic: أبو حمزة المصري, Abū Ḥamzah al-Maṣrī) (born 15 April 1958, Alexandria) is an Egyptian Sunni activist known for his preaching of a violent and politicised interpretation of Islam, also known as militant Islamism or jihadism...

Abu Hamza al-Masri was born in Alexandria, Egypt as Mustafa Kamel Mustafa in 1958, the son of a middle class army officer. In 1979, he entered the UK on a student visa...He acquired British citizenship following three years of marriage and acquired a job as a bouncer for a peep show in Soho.

His initial reaction to life in Britain was to describe it as "a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted". He studied civil engineering at Brighton Polytechnic...On 16 May 1980, he married Valerie Traverso, a Roman Catholic convert to Islam...In 1984, he remarried, to a woman named Nadjet, with whom he has seven children.

In January 2006, while on trial, he accused the Jewish people of being "blasphemous, treacherous and dirty" and explained that this was "why Hitler was sent into the world". He also called for "a world dominated by a caliph, sitting in the White House"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri

Abu Hamza is also a 'massive' heroin dealer. (probably the source)

Nickname>>>Captain hook (also just>>The captain)

I worked for an Indian restuarant and right next door to it was a Pakistani shop. This shop was a sweety shop for drug takers in an area in the red-light district of Eringobragh.
I got speaking to the owners of this shop and learnt that the drugs come up from London.
On one occasion one of the other delivery drivers came running in to tell us to come out and see the evilest looking man you will see in your life.
It was a man with 'one eye' a 'huge scar on his face' long beard, hook hand, and a pit-bull terrier with a 'Gold plated collar' getting out of the car.
Later that evening as i rushed out of the resturant with a meal going to my car this evil looking man was leaving the shop to get in his car. I nodded in acknowledgement as i got in my driver seat and he nodded back.
About two years later i saw this face appear in the news on the day of 9/11 and i immedietly thought of the man i had saw coming out of the Heroin dealers in eringobraghs red-light district. A man that had came up from London.

Heroin dealer number fcuking 1 (scarface) (you can see the big-scar running down under his beard on the left hand-side of his face..I got a great view of this when he stood ten feet away from me)

blackyblue · 15-11-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lightgiver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_pillars_of_Ismailism

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hurt4ever1 · 15-11-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lightgiver

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Sayid_Umar.jpg
An early picture of Abu Hamza al-Masri, prior to losing an eye in an explosion...

Abu Hamza al-Masri (Arabic: أبو حمزة المصري, Abū Ḥamzah al-Maṣrī) (born 15 April 1958, Alexandria) is an Egyptian Sunni activist known for his preaching of a violent and politicised interpretation of Islam, also known as militant Islamism or jihadism...

Abu Hamza al-Masri was born in Alexandria, Egypt as Mustafa Kamel Mustafa in 1958, the son of a middle class army officer. In 1979, he entered the UK on a student visa...He acquired British citizenship following three years of marriage and acquired a job as a bouncer for a peep show in Soho.

His initial reaction to life in Britain was to describe it as "a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted". He studied civil engineering at Brighton Polytechnic...On 16 May 1980, he married Valerie Traverso, a Roman Catholic convert to Islam...In 1984, he remarried, to a woman named Nadjet, with whom he has seven children.

In January 2006, while on trial, he accused the Jewish people of being "blasphemous, treacherous and dirty" and explained that this was "why Hitler was sent into the world". He also called for "a world dominated by a caliph, sitting in the White House"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri

Sorry, I do not mean to take this off topic, but can you tell me, are all these pictures supposed to be of the same guy? If they are, can you tell me how he turned from black in the early pictures to white in the later ones? TYIA

lightgiver · 15-11-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hurt4ever1

Sorry, I do not mean to take this off topic, but can you tell me, are all these pictures supposed to be of the same guy? If they are, can you tell me how he turned from black in the early pictures to white in the later ones? TYIA

Not the same people...similar Beliefs though...he is called Anjem Choudary.

blackyblue · 15-11-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hurt4ever1

Sorry, I do not mean to take this off topic, but can you tell me, are all these pictures supposed to be of the same guy? If they are, can you tell me how he turned from black in the early pictures to white in the later ones? TYIA

I dont know hurt4ever1

All i can vouch for is that i believe the guy with the hook-hand, the scar on his face and the one-eye to be the same guy i saw on the pictures shown by MI5 on the day of 9/11. And that would be the guy on the bottom right.

As for the other pics, i agree. They share little resemblance.

However i am revealing no hidden information here. I have searched google and already it is public knowleddge this guy was involved in massive gun smuggling and Heroin dealing operations. So no need for any extremists to come looking for me

I dont want to reveal to much and start drawing a picture of how the web operates.

But i do agree, they may not be the same person in all the pictures.

Then again Abu-Hamza had a lot of work done to him in terms of cosmetic surgery because in his younger years he was a notorious warrior that got a lot of injuries in battle

lightgiver · 15-11-2011, 08:05 PM

Anjem Choudary (Urdu: انجم چودری; born 1967 in England) is a British former solicitor, and, before it was proscribed, spokesman for the Islamist group Islam4UK. He is married, has four children, and lives in Ilford, London.

Choudary is a vocal critic of the UK's involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has praised the terrorists involved in the attacks of 11 September 2001, and 7 July 2005. He believes in the implementation of Sharia Law throughout the UK, and marched in protest at the Jyllands-Posten cartoons controversy, following which he was prosecuted for organising an unlawful demonstration. He was also investigated, but not charged, for his 2006 comments regarding Pope Benedict XVI.

Choudary receives little support from the mainstream UK Muslim population and has been largely criticised in the media.

Anjem Choudary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anjem Choudary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

itruth · 15-11-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lightgiver

Al-Uzzá (Arabic: العزى‎) was one of the three chief goddesses of Arabian religion in pre-Islamic times and was worshiped as one of the daughters of Allāh (not to be confused with the Abrahamic Allah the God worshiped by Muslims) by the pre-Islamic arabs along with Allāt and Manāt. Al-‘Uzzá was also worshipped by the Nabataeans, who equated her with the Greek goddess Aphrodite Ourania (Roman Venus Caelestis). A stone cube at aṭ-Ṭā’if (near Mecca) was held sacred as part of her cult. She is mentioned in the Qur'an Sura 53:19 as being one of the female idols that people worshipped (Islam condemns Idol worship and emphasises the divinity of God).

Al-‘Uzzá, like Hubal, was called upon for protection by the pre-Islamic Quraysh. "In 624 at the battle called 'Uhud', the war cry of the Qurayshites was, "O people of Uzzā, people of Hubal!"[1] Al-‘Uzzā also later appears in Ibn Ishaq's account of the Satanic Verses.

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Al-Uzzá (Arabic: العزى‎) was one of the three chief goddesses of Arabian religion in pre-Islamic times and was worshiped as one of the daughters of Allāh (not to be confused with the Abrahamic Allah the God worshiped by Muslims)

Actually, the pagan allah and the muslim allah are the exact same god/idol.

Throughout the koran it repeatedly threatens to have killed those who associate partners with allah. If the muslim allah and the pagan allah were completely different gods there would no need for the koran to constantly repeat this threat.

This verse is speaking about the pagans asigning daughters to allah:

(Is it for you the males and for Him the females That indeed is a division most unfair!) (53:21-22) http://abdurrahman.org/qurantafseer/.../43.47533.html

Muhummad actually stole allah from the pagans of mecca, and then gave him a face lift because he knew that the meccan allah was nothing compared to the God of the christians and the jews. So, in affect, its the equivalent of someone taking mickey mouse and transforming mickey mouse into the God of abraham and then slaughtering anyone who disagrees.

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"The messenger of allah said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'"
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx...SubjectID=9927

lightgiver · 15-11-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by itruth

Actually, the pagan allah and the muslim allah are the exact same god/idol.

Maybe...

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Originally Posted by Pagan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVO-...yer_detailpage
http://youtu.be/5rVO-lsbpIQ

itruth · 15-11-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lightgiver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_pillars_of_Ismailism

No muslim has ever seen allahs angels. So no one can claim they are real. Only muhummad claimed to see jibriel, but no one else ever saw jibriel.

Also, muhummad was a man who used to image things:

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Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet continued for such-and-such period imagining that he has slept (had sexual relations) with his wives, and in fact he did not

. http://www.sahihalbukhari.com/sps/sb...&txt=imagining

lightgiver · 15-11-2011, 10:15 PM

Angels - beings of light that serve as God's messengers; in Islam, these lack free will.

Jibril - the archangel Gabriel and Jibril is an archangel who serves as a messenger from God.

Azrael - the angel of death.

Michael - the angel of nature.

Israfel - The angel of doom trumpet

Angels (Arabic: ملائكة , Malāʾikah; Turkish: Melek) are mentioned many times in the Qur'an and Hadith. Islam is clear on the nature of angels in that they are messengers of God... They have no free will, and can do only what God orders them to do... An example of a task they carry out is that of testing individuals by granting them abundant wealth and curing their illness... Believing in angels is one of the six Articles of Faith in Islam.

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Originally Posted by itruth

No muslim has ever seen allahs angels. So no one can claim they are real. Only muhummad claimed to see jibriel, but no one else ever saw jibriel.

Also, muhummad was a man who used to image things:

islam - Angels Beings of Light (HD) 2010 - YouTube

http://youtu.be/xZb8EO-0hQ8

Islam - Angels Beings of Light (HD) 2010

itruth · 15-11-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lightgiver

Angels - beings of light that serve as God's messengers; in Islam, these lack free will.

Jibril - the archangel Gabriel and Jibril is an archangel who serves as a messenger from God.

Azrael - the angel of death.

Michael - the angel of nature.

Israfel - The angel of doom trumpet

Angels (Arabic: ملائكة , Malāʾikah; Turkish: Melek) are mentioned many times in the Qur'an and Hadith. Islam is clear on the nature of angels in that they are messengers of God... They have no free will, and can do only what God orders them to do... An example of a task they carry out is that of testing individuals by granting them abundant wealth and curing their illness... Believing in angels is one of the six Articles of Faith in Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZb8E...yer_detailpage
http://youtu.be/xZb8EO-0hQ8

Also, when examined, it becomes clear that what muhummad claims used to give him revelations was not the biblical gabriel.

When the biblical Gabriel met people it would identify itself and say peace to them:

• Gabriel's appearance in the Bible

Dan 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end." While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. THEN HE TOUCHED ME AND RAISED ME TO MY FEET. (Daniel 8:16-18)

while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He instructed me and said to me, "Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. (Daniel 9:20-22)

But the angel said to him: "DO NOT BE AFRAID, Zechariah; I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news. (Luke 1:13,18-19)

"Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you." Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, "DO NOT BE AFRAID MARY

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Muhammad's encounter with Gabriel

Abd Allah b. Shaddad: Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, "O Muhammad recite!" He said, "I cannot recite." GABRIEL WAS VIOLENT TOWARDS HIM and then said again, "O Muhammad recite!" He said, "I cannot recite," AND GABRIEL AGAIN WAS VIOLENT TOWARDS HIM… (The History of al-Tabari – Muhammad at Mecca)

Aisha related that when Muhammad did not recite, Gabriel caught him (forcefully) and pressed him so hard that he could not bear it any more, and this was repeated three times. Gabriel left Muhammad terribly shaken.

Muhammad feared that something might have happened to him, returned and asked Khadija to cover him until his fear was gone. Naturally he was scared, and intimated to his wife, Khadija, the fear that he might even be possessed by an evil spirit

... Stricken with panic, Muhammad arose and asked himself, "What did I see? Did possession of the devil WHICH I FEARED ALL ALONG come to pass?"

Then the prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling and he went to Khadijah and said, 'Wrap me up, wrap me up.' Then they wrapped him until the dread went away from him.

He told her of his experience and intimated to her his fear that his mind had finally betrayed him, and that he was becoming a seer or a man possessed. (Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, tran. Isma‘il Raji al-Faruqi

Then he went to Khadijah and said, ‘Khadijah, I think that I have gone mad.’ He said to her, ‘I am either a poet or a madman.’ but she answered, ‘May God save you from that, Abu al-Qasim! God would not do that to you.’"
"As she did on EARLIER OCCASIONS when Muhammad feared POSSESSION BY THE DEVIL, so now stood firm by her husband and void of the slightest doubt, CONVINCED HIM that he was called to be God's prophet to the Arabs." Burhan al-Deen al-Halabi, al-Sira al-Halabiyya, Volume I p. 75;

"Some of the commentators mention that Muhammad had an enemy from among the demons of the jinns whose name was the White. And he use to appear to him in the image of Gabriel. But some people objected to that because people would not then trust the revelation.
But we say that God bestowed on the prophet the necessary knowledge by which he would discern between Gabriel and the demon." (Burhan al-Deen al-Halabi, al-Sira al-Halabiyya, Volume I, p. 58)

So even though in muhummadian islam a womans testimoney is not equal to that of a man, the whole of islamic belief rides upon khadija, because she was the one who convinced muhummad that what he saw was not a demon, meaning, that whatever he saw never even identified itself.

blackyblue · 15-11-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lightgiver

Anjem Choudary (Urdu: انجم چودری; born 1967 in England) is a British former solicitor, and, before it was proscribed, spokesman for the Islamist group Islam4UK. He is married, has four children, and lives in Ilford, London.

Choudary is a vocal critic of the UK's involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has praised the terrorists involved in the attacks of 11 September 2001, and 7 July 2005. He believes in the implementation of Sharia Law throughout the UK, and marched in protest at the Jyllands-Posten cartoons controversy, following which he was prosecuted for organising an unlawful demonstration. He was also investigated, but not charged, for his 2006 comments regarding Pope Benedict XVI.

Choudary receives little support from the mainstream UK Muslim population and has been largely criticised in the media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary

Anjem Choudary like all the religious fanatics that would die for Jihad is a user of illicit drugs despite preaching that there is no place for drugs in Islam.
Chiudary smokes weed and large amounts of LSD and no doubt knows hookhand

One of their biggest deceptions is to give a sober impression that they dont take drugs due to religious beliefs. Far from it. They are MASSIVE in the taking and distribution of drugs and no-one bigger

http://www.exfl.com/islamic-london/anjem-choudary.htm

lightgiver · 16-11-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackyblue

Anjem Choudary like all the religious fanatics that would die for Jihad is a user of illicit drugs despite preaching that there is no place for drugs in Islam.
Chiudary smokes weed and large amounts of LSD and no doubt knows hookhand

One of their biggest deceptions is to give a sober impression that they dont take drugs due to religious beliefs. Far from it. They are MASSIVE in the taking and distribution of drugs and no-one bigger

http://www.exfl.com/islamic-london/anjem-choudary.htm

It appears they do not practise what they preach...no suprise there then.

lightgiver · 16-11-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by itruth

Also, when examined, it becomes clear that what muhummad claims used to give him revelations was not the biblical gabriel.

When the biblical Gabriel met people it would identify itself and say peace to them:

• Gabriel's appearance in the Bible

Dan 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end." While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. THEN HE TOUCHED ME AND RAISED ME TO MY FEET. (Daniel 8:16-18)

while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He instructed me and said to me, "Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. (Daniel 9:20-22)

But the angel said to him: "DO NOT BE AFRAID, Zechariah; I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news. (Luke 1:13,18-19)

"Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you." Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, "DO NOT BE AFRAID MARY

•

So even though in muhummadian islam a womans testimoney is not equal to that of a man, the whole of islamic belief rides upon khadija, because she was the one who convinced muhummad that what he saw was not a demon, meaning, that whatever he saw never even identified itself.

Judaism/Islamism...2 sides of ths same coin

Buddhism/Christianity...2 sides of the same coin

All part of the Same Pyramid...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...a-pyramids.JPG

A pyramid (from Greek: "πυραμίς" – pyramis) is a structure whose outer surfaces are triangular and converge at a single point. The base of a pyramid can be trilateral, quadrilateral, or any polygon shape, meaning that a pyramid has at least three triangular surfaces (at least four faces including the base). The square pyramid, with square base and four triangular outer surfaces, is a common version.

lightgiver · 16-11-2011, 07:16 PM

Jesus and Muhammad didn't reveal themselves to prove what they could do. They revealed themselves so you could see what *you* can do.

rhydra · 16-11-2011, 07:22 PM

Christianity is another form of Judaism, they use the same book, Jesus was a rabbi, Islam also uses the same God so they are all the same thing.

lightgiver · 16-11-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rhydra

Christianity is another form of Judaism

Are you sure ?

Could you show me the Similarities ..

I would say Christianity is closer to Buddhism.

14-11-2011, 11:55 PM	#21
lightgiver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,691	Abu Hamza al-Masri http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Sayid_Umar.jpg An early picture of Abu Hamza al-Masri, prior to losing an eye in an explosion... Abu Hamza al-Masri (Arabic: أبو حمزة المصري, Abū Ḥamzah al-Maṣrī) (born 15 April 1958, Alexandria) is an Egyptian Sunni activist known for his preaching of a violent and politicised interpretation of Islam, also known as militant Islamism or jihadism... Abu Hamza al-Masri was born in Alexandria, Egypt as Mustafa Kamel Mustafa in 1958, the son of a middle class army officer. In 1979, he entered the UK on a student visa...He acquired British citizenship following three years of marriage and acquired a job as a bouncer for a peep show in Soho. His initial reaction to life in Britain was to describe it as "a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted". He studied civil engineering at Brighton Polytechnic...On 16 May 1980, he married Valerie Traverso, a Roman Catholic convert to Islam...In 1984, he remarried, to a woman named Nadjet, with whom he has seven children. In January 2006, while on trial, he accused the Jewish people of being "blasphemous, treacherous and dirty" and explained that this was "why Hitler was sent into the world". He also called for "a world dominated by a caliph, sitting in the White House"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri

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lightgiver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,691	Vicars and Imans Jesus and Muhammad didn't reveal themselves to prove what they could do. They revealed themselves so you could see what you can do. Last edited by lightgiver; 16-11-2011 at 07:17 PM.

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rhydra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 8,467	Christianity is another form of Judaism, they use the same book, Jesus was a rabbi, Islam also uses the same God so they are all the same thing. __________________ Man is a tool created by the Universe to mark time.