Do you really believe?

jim fear · 12-09-2007, 01:04 AM

Does anyone else think that it is possible that we all just want to believe in things like UFO’s, psychic ability, aliens etc just to escape mundane everyday life? And just to have something to make life a bit more interesting?

Generally people who are depressed end up looking for more out of life, some find religion others turn to drugs, and maybe we have just found this. If this is the case then what’s actually real? I have lost faith in the television which seems to be peoples main source of information, almost like a dictator it tells us how to dress who to look up to while celebrity hypocrites tell us what we should be doing with our lives (Save the planet, don’t wear fur, eat this product, buy this shampoo etc…). There are many faults in our society but if our government were really against us would we still have Hospitals, dentists, fire service etc, why would they care about environmental issues? And make us recycle?

I’ve decided to try and tune myself into these strange psychic abilities to see for myself, I’ve got to experience it to believe it, the world is a strange place but there’s always the doubt that this could all be bullshit, just a load of out of context, exaggerated/made up stories from which we form our own idealistic reality just to break the boredom of our everyday lives.

If the government is so corrupted why don’t they just screw us over all at once and have done with it? It wouldn’t be hard to do they’d just stop filling up the supermarkets and there’d be chaos. We all no that plan can go wrong and to coordinate a plan to control the world is immense! Surely they’d be heaps of information, of behinds the scenes.

I no this sound very sceptical but its important to no what is real. I’ve not seen enough convincing evidence to come up with a watertight conclusion as yet. I wanna see some of this advanced alien technology, which the ancient people had, some photos of actual shape-shifters and other hard evidence.

I want to no if psychic abilities are possible, Maybe its just a side of us which we don’t use regularly enough to be able access it as easily as we should. Time will tell! Let me no what you think anyway

Jim

kblood · 12-09-2007, 01:21 AM

I think I have tried just about every psychic ability there is. Every one I know of anyway. I have tried explaining how to try to get in touch with them in other threads, but seems they keep getting lost as old threads. That is how it is to post in a forum with so many users

Any specific abilities you have in mind? I have tried explaining mine and how I use them a few times now, so I guess its good practice for me. Also I maybe learn more about them or get new ideas by explaining them as well

I cannot use them all at will though. Seems it takes time to get in the state of mind for them to work, or at least it takes will to get in that state of mind. I usually do not get into that state of mind without good reason, because the hardest part is to get rid of it again after. Takes time to calm down, and get back within the 5 senses again. F.ex. seeing ghosts or telepathy, makes everything a bit confusing. Doing normal everyday stuff can be quite difficult if you recieve telepathic messages, or got "white noise" in your head. Another problem is that these messages usually arent clear. Maybe not even meant for you to begin with.

Still... what did you have in mind?

_underscore_ · 12-09-2007, 11:26 AM

_underscore_ believes in aliens for a couple of reasons (neither of which are due to depression, _underscore_ has never had a reason to depress). First and foremost, there have been two occasions where _underscore_ has seen unusual objects in the night sky, secondly, there is no reason to assume that humans are the sole intelligent species in the universe. As far as psychic abilities, _underscore_ also is absolutely sure of them. In 1997 _underscore_ took a trip up to Seattle with a few friends to see a Supercross race. During the course of that race, _underscore_ had made seven or eight predictions about who was going to win and who was going to crash and where (for example, a rider was coming up on a jump, and _underscore_ said watch that guy, he's going to crash on that jump, and it happened), and they all came true, people in the crowd around _underscore_ were amazed, as was _underscore_. To top off the evening, while _underscore_ and his buddies were walking back to the car, _underscore_ jokingly told the owner of said car that there would be a parking ticket on his window, and yes, there was a ticket. _underscore_ doesn't know why or how he made so many accurate predictions within the course of three hours, but it sure was cool.

jim fear · 12-09-2007, 12:54 PM

I was wondering if you need any sort of protection, I’m not even sure what the dangers could be but I don’t want to go into this blind. I have an interest in astral travelling I have a book on this so I’m going to have a read though that and see where that gets me.

I’d like to learn to mediate but I’m not quite sure what I should be doing while I mediate in order to gain whatever it is I have to gain from it even if it is just to help me relax. Basically I’m interested in anything I could use to improve my health, and progress in spiritual development. I have a few health problems which are holding me back at the moment so I’d like to get shut of them first and then continue with the development and hopefully I’ll be able to improve my life, and with any luck improve other peoples lives for the greater good. so some tips would be a great help!

_underscore_ are you referring to yourself? What’s with the third person thing?

kblood · 12-09-2007, 03:17 PM

Sounds like self healing is a good place to start then:
http://www.quantumtouch.com/

Quantum touch healing is something I have used myself. I have always felt that I could keep sickness at bay as long as my psyche and mood wasnt too depressed or feeling generally down. Then I was lucky enough to get to know a couple that used massage and a kind of meditation as healing, of both body and mind. To make a better harmony of both. After joining this forum, I have come to see that the exactly same kind of therapy and healing are the techniques used in quantum touch healing. It can be used for selv healing and healing others as well. The general idea is somewhat that every touch is in fact a kind of healing. It can be done more effeciently though.

As for _Underscore_, yea he/she likes to refer to him/her-self as third person. Confused me at first as well, and havent found out why. Would be nice if _Underscore would answer that question

lifeofbrian · 12-09-2007, 04:05 PM

Hello again Jim, great post, and great questions. Some times the important thing isn't the answers, but the questions. They provide an excellent reality check. Cheers.

The way I look at it, any number of things could spark an interest in the universe. Maybe it depends on our earliest memories, or something in the subconscious, don't know exactly. In my experience, I had my first depression when I was 8, and my parents told me they were divorcing. I decided life was over and walked into the water one day at the beach. I got the second depression at 12 when my dad died. At 14 I read von Däniken as he was all the rage at the time (-74) and due to him I began reading about not only religions and politics in my spare time after school, but archeology and history. I got another depression at 19, which was biological and psychological. It's very common to land really hard when the raging hormones begin to settle and the furious growth of the brain and body slows down. During the teens it's like being on uppers and downers constantly, and when the drugs, hormones, wear off, it feels kinda empty. Mentally, it was the pressure to fit in, get girls, know what to do 'when I grew up', and being disillusioned with seeing people for what they were really like. The worst was hearing what everyone else thought I should do, being 6ft5in and into sports they thought I was all muscle and no brain, stereotyping to the max.

Just saying, depression can be a normal thing, and it'll pass. It's not a permanent state of being. There's such a thing called 'the dark night of the soul', that's pretty much what a depression is, in my understanding. Some kind of loss, and the 'low' is a natural mourning. Like mourning a childhood passed, or that childhood wasn't what we had wished, we were dumped with too much responsibitily too soon, whatever - there's loads of stuff that the body can express but which never reaches the surface of the daily consciousness. Being 'low' for a bit is OK, nobody can stay peaked on a roller-coaster all the time - that's like burning out really quickly. If the highs and the lows are not too 'violent' during a day, and the mode/mood is more or less 'neutral', that's a good place to be, it means the feelings are not overriding the mind and there's balance.

Something similar to depression is disillusionment. When the carpet of belief is taken away from under our feet. That can also give a feeling of emptiness and disorientation. I think it is then we might begin to look into alternative explanations and hypothetical answers more seriously, instead of treating the alternative theories as episodes of the X-Files.

Re: alien life. I absolutely believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. Even if it's just a microbe, it's life. There are so many billions of stars out there, the odds has me convinced.

Re: psychic abilities. I used to be married to a female shaman for nearly 20 years. I kid you not: psychic ability is real. She goes into trances (not channeling) and does stuff like soul retrievals, which is like clearing out karma for people and bringing aspects of their younger selves back into here and now, bits they 'split off' when they were either scared or otherwise traumatised, and she clears attached discarnates off of people (what Icke refers to as 'reptiles'). Through her I connected with my dead dad and got some information there's no chance in hell she could have known about through regular sources. According to her, anyone can develop their paranormal abilities, as it's to do with our 'wiring', DNA. She's also into this '2012' area but not the new age version, the 'nuts and bolts'. She's given up trying to inform people and so have I, people have to find out for themselves, it's a free will world.

Meditation is a great way to primarily relax and recover from stress in daily life. For the past 10-11 years now I have instructed in meditation, and it is actually not recommended for people with depression. That is because the relaxation is too similar to the lethargic feeling of depression. If you feel as if your body is 'heavy' and you don't have enough energy to get you through the day, I would suggest doing something that will give you energy instead, like exercise of some kind, but on a regular basis. Get the body used to it. If the body feels safe and strong, and it only will through regular routines, then the biochemistry will affect the mood, stabilise it, and meditation is OK to practise.

Sorry, I go on a bit. Yours was an inspirational post.

hutanic · 12-09-2007, 08:54 PM

Why do u think all of us just base our conclusion on beliefs? Ever considered people may know of certain stuff and not just buy what others say purely based on faith? Search and u will find is best advice i can give u. Good luck

lapis · 12-09-2007, 10:44 PM

jim fear,

"Do you really believe?" No I know from a lifetime of living it!

So-called "psychic abilites" and much much MUCH more are indeed simply aspects of us all that most people (up until recently) haven't been able to connect with for lots of reasons. I was born with many of them and have had to learn ass-backwards from the majority of people about living with these (to me normal) senses in a world that dosen't or didn't believe in them. BTW, that's a pile of shite and another very deliberate con by the elite and religious controllers. What better way to keep the masses from accessing greater aspects of themselves and figuring out how horrifically they've been controlled like animals, than claiming it's spiritually "dangerous" and intellectually "not real" and not to be "trusted"???

It wasn't until I was in my teens (in the 1960s) that I realized everyone didn't perceive "reality" as I did. It was a hard blow actually. See how this is the polar opposite of where you're coming from concerning this subject?

The primary problem non-psychic people have with this whole subject is that they try to access what's in our right brains through ONLY their left brain hemispheres! That is not the way to reach realities and all that exists within them. You've got to be willing to let go of that intellectual death grip as the one and only means to perceive everything beyond it!

If you REALLY SERIOUSLY want to perceive more than what you have been, state that to the greater part of YOU. Intend it to be so and it will start now easier and faster than ever before. But be prepared for things like "reality"

to change! If you're not ready to cope with that level of change and expansion then let it go until you are. It's coming either way. The best of luck with it all.

kblood · 12-09-2007, 11:48 PM

I have felt much the same way Lapis. Some of the things I remember to have had as a kid, and then forgotten about. Later I have simply thought it seemed natural for everyone to communicate with telepathy, then I realised, as if waking up from a dream, that most people do not even believe telepathy to be possible.

Before finding this forum, it seemed to me that most the world was walking around blindfolded... but now I see that we are alot that acknowledge these senses. Maybe I wont have to go concentrating on not using more than the "normal" 5 senses in a near future?

jim fear · 13-09-2007, 11:13 AM

There have been a lot of interesting replies to my messages. When I read my message back it seems as through I was returning to my default conditioned state and my mind closes up again. I find it very easy to have doubts and then “Fall back to sleep” maybe more so than others because I’ve never experienced anything outside my “normal” 5 senses so naturally I'm unsure of the abilities that we posses. Something like this is so hard to prove; hopefully in the coming weeks I’ll experience some thing, which change my perception.

I think that at the moment I am at the opposite end of the spectrum to some of you guys, who evidently are very much in tune with your other senses. Its not that I don’t believe in these abilities it is just the fact I haven’t had the same experiences that a lot of you have had so I find it hard to accept, I guess that I’m a typical product of the system along with all my doubts.

I’ll need to do a lot of studying because I have no idea how to access this stuff and I’m not really sure what to expect when I do, Maybe all this stuff is suppressed in me because of ill healthy and at the moment and my body’s focusing all its energies on addressing that.

Lifeofbrain: I think that your view on UFOs/Ets is based around common sense. When you think about it, it’ll be more astonishing if there wasn’t life somewhere else in the universe since there are more suns than there are grains of sand on the earth.

Depression wise I take it as it comes, I have breathing problems and when I exercise I tend to screw myself up, so I just avoid sugar and junk food and go out for walks. I’m a bit of a wreck at the moment.

You mentioned the 2012 thing what did she think of that? My understanding is that there are 3 schools of thought on that subject
1. The earths axes reverse and we all die maybe leaving only the enlightened who some how survive
2. That it marks the date of a massive spiritual awakening, like the sawn of a new golden age
3. The Mayans got bored and just decided to stop writing there calendar

Lapis: I think you sound quite gifted with these abilities special as they come so naturally to you, as does Kblood, hopefully in the not to distant future we’ll be able to communicate on a different level with these abilities (assuming they work that way) then I can stop writing these 10,000 word essays every time I have something to say! lol

You sound like a very knowledge lot I hope that you won’t object to me picking your brains in the near future! It’s so much to get your head around through and I hope the world and life is as amazing as I feel it should be

kblood · 13-09-2007, 12:05 PM

For a long time I actually was like you Jim. Mostly because my memories of using more than 5 senses got suppressed. After joining this forum, or when realising some of the powers are not just a fantasy, I get more memories back of using these senses earlier in my life.

F.ex. I remember going to the hospital when I was young. My brother was to be examined I think. I met a little boy there in the waiting room, and I went to play with him. Much to the distress of his mother, I began to talk with him about death and the afterlife. I guess I must have sensed that his end was near. At some times, it seems I just give in to these senses, and go with the flow. Do what feels right to do. Before he went into what might have been surgery, I promished him that we could play again next time I came. The next time I came, he was in the waiting room again, and I said hi to him. I do not remember his responses at all, but I remember throwing a ball to him, that just went through him. So I went to my brother and told her that he was no fun to play with. That he was probably just dead. Another mother in the room thought I was crasy, but I think she realised that I was more than just a crasy young boy. Why would I talk about such things if there wasnt more to it?

This memory is one that returned to me after joining this forum, and thinking back on my encounters with ghosts. All but one or two ghosts that I have met are ones that I knew before they died. The only logical way for a ghost to communicate must be some kind of telepathy. Telekineses is something I began to believe in because of a ghost. I told a ghost to smash a lamp, to prove it was there to someone else, and it did. So I realised that I as well ought to be able to interact with someone with my essence alone. I have found that it is possible, but very difficult as well. I have seen at least one on this forum that I am sure have learned to use telekinesis as well.

kesdin · 22-09-2007, 01:35 PM

I believe that there are things out there that people won't believe if they saw it just once. My train of thought is that why shouldn't we consider these things? Should we just believe what is on the surface or told to us? I've never actually experienced any ghost type things though. I've "sensed" some things but...
My question is.. do all of these things fit in together? Aliens, ghosts, psychic powers, the end of the world, god, high-tech...
I've heard stories of ghosts and things. I wouldn't recount those stories because they are really freaky.

If I were to develop a psychic skill. I would develope telekinesis and clairvoyance.

lapis · 22-09-2007, 11:53 PM

jim,

20 years ago I would have responded to this subject in a totally different way. 10 years ago I would try to slide down the middle with it and just make a few suggestions and let it go at that. Today everything is radically different and so my response will reflect the current higher energeis and transformation of humanity.

Having been born "psychic" I've learned much about how it works over the decades. Everyone needs to understand that the old ways of how we believe and expect "psychic" abilities to be are currently changing very fast. We're evolving and so are our abilities and consciousness are as well. What used to be impressive rare psychic abilites is fast becoming the New normal in everyone! With the long standing Veil between our brian hemispheres "falling" (disappearing) now, we're soon to quite literally become new higher functioning, perceiving, feeling and creating beings. We will be unrecognizable very soon to the old limited deaf dumb and blind heartless beings we've been! I wouldn't be too concerned with developing, the old lower way, your psychic abilites when you, me and humanity is currently transforming, evolving into new higher beings.

Just pay attention in a very relaxed way and let this spiritual evolution happen within you.

For the past 2 years I've been obsessively aware that this inner brain separation, this "left brain" vs. "right brain" split polarity consciousness is dying right along with the crusty insane patriarchy and elite.

I just read something about this from a trusted source. "Timeless Space ~ Timeless Love" posted Sept. 15, 2007 - link below.

"....Your brain is being re-wired over a period of approximately between two to five years, along with all of humanity...."
http://lightworker.com/beacons/

We're evolving right now and will continue to and when we have full access to our non-polarized brains and opened Hearts......what used to be known as "psychic" will seem horribly small and useless.

lifeofbrian · 23-09-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lapis

jim,

20 years ago I would have responded to this subject in a totally different way. 10 years ago I would try to slide down the middle with it and just make a few suggestions and let it go at that. Today everything is radically different and so my response will reflect the current higher energeis and transformation of humanity.

Having been born "psychic" I've learned much about how it works over the decades. Everyone needs to understand that the old ways of how we believe and expect "psychic" abilities to be are currently changing very fast. We're evolving and so are our abilities and consciousness are as well. What used to be impressive rare psychic abilites is fast becoming the New normal in everyone! With the long standing Veil between our brian hemispheres "falling" (disappearing) now, we're soon to quite literally become new higher functioning, perceiving, feeling and creating beings. We will be unrecognizable very soon to the old limited deaf dumb and blind heartless beings we've been! I wouldn't be too concerned with developing, the old lower way, your psychic abilites when you, me and humanity is currently transforming, evolving into new higher beings.

Just pay attention in a very relaxed way and let this spiritual evolution happen within you.

For the past 2 years I've been obsessively aware that this inner brain separation, this "left brain" vs. "right brain" split polarity consciousness is dying right along with the crusty insane patriarchy and elite.

I just read something about this from a trusted source. "Timeless Space ~ Timeless Love" posted Sept. 15, 2007 - link below.

"....Your brain is being re-wired over a period of approximately between two to five years, along with all of humanity...."
http://lightworker.com/beacons/

We're evolving right now and will continue to and when we have full access to our non-polarized brains and opened Hearts......what used to be known as "psychic" will seem horribly small and useless.

No way were you 'born' psychic. You're a fake.

lapis · 23-09-2007, 12:31 AM

lifeofbrian,

Really? Why so....from your perspective?

Because you so quickly and effortlessly called me a "fake" publically, I'd now like you to write why you believe this to be.

kblood · 23-09-2007, 11:22 AM

Seems very possible to me to be born psychic. I remember seeing ghosts as a kid, and back then it felt natural, but later I forgot about it. Guess it did not seem like anything important I was forgetting back then since it seemed common. Only much later I realised that it is not common to be able to see ghosts.

So it seems to me that we are very likely to have been born psychics and then forgot about these abilities later. I also remember thinking telepathy to be something common and normal for everyone, but then I realised it was something rare that I could not even do myself. Now I have found that I can use telepathy as well, guess I did maybe 3-4 years ago.

lapis · 23-09-2007, 10:07 PM

Thanks kblood.

I feel that everyone incarnates and remains somewhat open (some of us lifeofbrian, much more so and for far longer than others) to Home or more of Source. Problem for most people however is that from birth to age 7 we're natrually open and receptive to where we just came from but, if we're surrounded by parents/people/culture/religious beliefs etc countering what we're personally perceiving......then most people's open connection gets closed down sadly just to fit-in here. Or, for various reasons people loose their connection because it would hinder or make more difficult, what their Higher Self hopes for them to learn and integrate in this particular incarnation. There's lots of higher soul reasons for either staying open or not staying open.

This confusion/argument is a common one in some astrology forums because people assume that if you have such and such planet/planets prominently placed in your birth chart that that automatically and naturally predisposes you be a "psychic" or "empathic" etc. Not totally so however and the reasons are found in individual developement and evolutionary frequencies, current soul purpose for this life, and being able (or not) to cope with perceiving and feeling more reality/realities at the same time than usual. It's like not being able to bench press 400 pounds because you've got to train first and build yourself up to being able to do that without harming your body. Same with energies and consciousness.

I've never been about fitting-in, just the opposite, and this has much to do with why I and other people like me are sensitives in the first place! There's a theme here lifeofbrian, see if you can discern some of it instead of your knee-jerk reaction to what you don't understand as yet.

I was very consciously aware of my own deeper embedding into this physical reality over the years but, for many different reasons (like a few past life trainings, soul purpose, unfinished services to self and humanity, things like this post and other things

), I remained psychically open throughout early childhood and beyond. My "psychic" abilites have grown and changed over the years as I have, which is as it should be, but I'm still receptive and in better ways than before actually.

kesdin · 24-09-2007, 07:26 AM

psipog.net is a great place to get information about psychic things.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-FBXaQkzrjI

kesdin · 24-09-2007, 07:36 AM

The best psi wheel video: PsiWheel Under a Glass Container 2 - YouTube

A better one

crowhawk · 25-09-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim fear

Does anyone else think that it is possible that we all just want to believe in things like UFO’s, psychic ability, aliens etc just to escape mundane everyday life? And just to have something to make life a bit more interesting?

Generally people who are depressed end up looking for more out of life, some find religion others turn to drugs, and maybe we have just found this. If this is the case then what’s actually real? I have lost faith in the television which seems to be peoples main source of information, almost like a dictator it tells us how to dress who to look up to while celebrity hypocrites tell us what we should be doing with our lives (Save the planet, don’t wear fur, eat this product, buy this shampoo etc…). There are many faults in our society but if our government were really against us would we still have Hospitals, dentists, fire service etc, why would they care about environmental issues? And m

I’ve decided to try and tune myself into these strange psychic abilities to see for myself, I’ve got to experience it to believe it, the world is a strange place but there’s always the doubt that this could all be bullshit, just a load of out of context, exaggerated/made up stories from which we form our own idealistic reality just to break the boredom of our everyday lives.

If the government is so corrupted why don’t they just screw us over all at once and have done with it? It wouldn’t be hard to do they’d just stop filling up the supermarkets and there’d be chaos. We all no that plan can go wrong and to coordinate a plan to control the world is immense! Surely they’d be heaps of information, of behinds the scenes.

I no this sound very sceptical but its important to no what is real. I’ve not seen enough convincing evidence to come up with a watertight conclusion as yet. I wanna see some of this advanced alien technology, which the ancient people had, some photos of actual shape-shifters and other hard evidence.

I want to no if psychic abilities are possible, Maybe its just a side of us which we don’t use regularly enough to be able access it as easily as we should. Time will tell! Let me no what you think anyway

Jim

I think a lot of what you're saying is true. To some people this has become a sort of religion. They'll believe however much the evidence, or lack of would indicate contrary to those beliefs. I can't help noticing how you feel the need to be almost apologetic for your skepticism as if it's a bad thing.

If I'm to be absolutely honest I think some of the stuff on this site is ludicrous! The queens a "shape shifting reptile"? Metaphorically maybe but literally? Does anyone truly believe in this nonsense? stupid question! I'd be the first to agree she's an over privileged anachronism!

I find the belief in "Satanic Child Abuse to be deranged lunacy. There's never been one shred of evidence of it's existence, outside the dangerously warped, degenerate minds of the christian fundamentalists. This unfortunately hasn't stopped them from bringing misery to countless families, with their bizarre idiotic absurd accusations.

Most of the time with government conspiracies I tend to think, "well, they can't even conspire to get the trains to run on time". Then with something like 9/11 or the War Of Terror with all the intrigues & sub-plots surrounding it you have to ask yourself "how much am I prepared to believe in coincidence"? Who has benefited the most from it? If 9/11 was a plot in a Sherlock Holmes novel taking into account means, method & motive, who do you think would be found to be the guilty party at the end of the book?

12-09-2007, 01:04 AM	#1
jim fear Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 458	Do you really believe? Does anyone else think that it is possible that we all just want to believe in things like UFO’s, psychic ability, aliens etc just to escape mundane everyday life? And just to have something to make life a bit more interesting? Generally people who are depressed end up looking for more out of life, some find religion others turn to drugs, and maybe we have just found this. If this is the case then what’s actually real? I have lost faith in the television which seems to be peoples main source of information, almost like a dictator it tells us how to dress who to look up to while celebrity hypocrites tell us what we should be doing with our lives (Save the planet, don’t wear fur, eat this product, buy this shampoo etc…). There are many faults in our society but if our government were really against us would we still have Hospitals, dentists, fire service etc, why would they care about environmental issues? And make us recycle? I’ve decided to try and tune myself into these strange psychic abilities to see for myself, I’ve got to experience it to believe it, the world is a strange place but there’s always the doubt that this could all be bullshit, just a load of out of context, exaggerated/made up stories from which we form our own idealistic reality just to break the boredom of our everyday lives. If the government is so corrupted why don’t they just screw us over all at once and have done with it? It wouldn’t be hard to do they’d just stop filling up the supermarkets and there’d be chaos. We all no that plan can go wrong and to coordinate a plan to control the world is immense! Surely they’d be heaps of information, of behinds the scenes. I no this sound very sceptical but its important to no what is real. I’ve not seen enough convincing evidence to come up with a watertight conclusion as yet. I wanna see some of this advanced alien technology, which the ancient people had, some photos of actual shape-shifters and other hard evidence. I want to no if psychic abilities are possible, Maybe its just a side of us which we don’t use regularly enough to be able access it as easily as we should. Time will tell! Let me no what you think anyway Jim

12-09-2007, 11:26 AM	#3
_underscore_ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: At the bottom of a bass pond. Posts: 215	_underscore_ believes in aliens for a couple of reasons (neither of which are due to depression, _underscore_ has never had a reason to depress). First and foremost, there have been two occasions where _underscore_ has seen unusual objects in the night sky, secondly, there is no reason to assume that humans are the sole intelligent species in the universe. As far as psychic abilities, _underscore_ also is absolutely sure of them. In 1997 _underscore_ took a trip up to Seattle with a few friends to see a Supercross race. During the course of that race, _underscore_ had made seven or eight predictions about who was going to win and who was going to crash and where (for example, a rider was coming up on a jump, and _underscore_ said watch that guy, he's going to crash on that jump, and it happened), and they all came true, people in the crowd around _underscore_ were amazed, as was _underscore_. To top off the evening, while _underscore_ and his buddies were walking back to the car, _underscore_ jokingly told the owner of said car that there would be a parking ticket on his window, and yes, there was a ticket. _underscore_ doesn't know why or how he made so many accurate predictions within the course of three hours, but it sure was cool. __________________ "We mean no threat to your family, we only want to live our lives and be free." -Rod Deal & The Ideals Last edited by _underscore_; 12-09-2007 at 11:28 AM.

12-09-2007, 04:05 PM	#6
lifeofbrian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,762	Hello again Jim, great post, and great questions. Some times the important thing isn't the answers, but the questions. They provide an excellent reality check. Cheers. The way I look at it, any number of things could spark an interest in the universe. Maybe it depends on our earliest memories, or something in the subconscious, don't know exactly. In my experience, I had my first depression when I was 8, and my parents told me they were divorcing. I decided life was over and walked into the water one day at the beach. I got the second depression at 12 when my dad died. At 14 I read von Däniken as he was all the rage at the time (-74) and due to him I began reading about not only religions and politics in my spare time after school, but archeology and history. I got another depression at 19, which was biological and psychological. It's very common to land really hard when the raging hormones begin to settle and the furious growth of the brain and body slows down. During the teens it's like being on uppers and downers constantly, and when the drugs, hormones, wear off, it feels kinda empty. Mentally, it was the pressure to fit in, get girls, know what to do 'when I grew up', and being disillusioned with seeing people for what they were really like. The worst was hearing what everyone else thought I should do, being 6ft5in and into sports they thought I was all muscle and no brain, stereotyping to the max. Just saying, depression can be a normal thing, and it'll pass. It's not a permanent state of being. There's such a thing called 'the dark night of the soul', that's pretty much what a depression is, in my understanding. Some kind of loss, and the 'low' is a natural mourning. Like mourning a childhood passed, or that childhood wasn't what we had wished, we were dumped with too much responsibitily too soon, whatever - there's loads of stuff that the body can express but which never reaches the surface of the daily consciousness. Being 'low' for a bit is OK, nobody can stay peaked on a roller-coaster all the time - that's like burning out really quickly. If the highs and the lows are not too 'violent' during a day, and the mode/mood is more or less 'neutral', that's a good place to be, it means the feelings are not overriding the mind and there's balance. Something similar to depression is disillusionment. When the carpet of belief is taken away from under our feet. That can also give a feeling of emptiness and disorientation. I think it is then we might begin to look into alternative explanations and hypothetical answers more seriously, instead of treating the alternative theories as episodes of the X-Files. Re: alien life. I absolutely believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. Even if it's just a microbe, it's life. There are so many billions of stars out there, the odds has me convinced. Re: psychic abilities. I used to be married to a female shaman for nearly 20 years. I kid you not: psychic ability is real. She goes into trances (not channeling) and does stuff like soul retrievals, which is like clearing out karma for people and bringing aspects of their younger selves back into here and now, bits they 'split off' when they were either scared or otherwise traumatised, and she clears attached discarnates off of people (what Icke refers to as 'reptiles'). Through her I connected with my dead dad and got some information there's no chance in hell she could have known about through regular sources. According to her, anyone can develop their paranormal abilities, as it's to do with our 'wiring', DNA. She's also into this '2012' area but not the new age version, the 'nuts and bolts'. She's given up trying to inform people and so have I, people have to find out for themselves, it's a free will world. Meditation is a great way to primarily relax and recover from stress in daily life. For the past 10-11 years now I have instructed in meditation, and it is actually not recommended for people with depression. That is because the relaxation is too similar to the lethargic feeling of depression. If you feel as if your body is 'heavy' and you don't have enough energy to get you through the day, I would suggest doing something that will give you energy instead, like exercise of some kind, but on a regular basis. Get the body used to it. If the body feels safe and strong, and it only will through regular routines, then the biochemistry will affect the mood, stabilise it, and meditation is OK to practise. Sorry, I go on a bit. Yours was an inspirational post. Last edited by lifeofbrian; 12-09-2007 at 04:13 PM.

12-09-2007, 10:44 PM	#8
lapis Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 166	jim fear, "Do you really believe?" No I know from a lifetime of living it! So-called "psychic abilites" and much much MUCH more are indeed simply aspects of us all that most people (up until recently) haven't been able to connect with for lots of reasons. I was born with many of them and have had to learn ass-backwards from the majority of people about living with these (to me normal) senses in a world that dosen't or didn't believe in them. BTW, that's a pile of shite and another very deliberate con by the elite and religious controllers. What better way to keep the masses from accessing greater aspects of themselves and figuring out how horrifically they've been controlled like animals, than claiming it's spiritually "dangerous" and intellectually "not real" and not to be "trusted"??? It wasn't until I was in my teens (in the 1960s) that I realized everyone didn't perceive "reality" as I did. It was a hard blow actually. See how this is the polar opposite of where you're coming from concerning this subject? The primary problem non-psychic people have with this whole subject is that they try to access what's in our right brains through ONLY their left brain hemispheres! That is not the way to reach realities and all that exists within them. You've got to be willing to let go of that intellectual death grip as the one and only means to perceive everything beyond it! If you REALLY SERIOUSLY want to perceive more than what you have been, state that to the greater part of YOU. Intend it to be so and it will start now easier and faster than ever before. But be prepared for things like "reality" to change! If you're not ready to cope with that level of change and expansion then let it go until you are. It's coming either way. The best of luck with it all. __________________ TRANSITIONS Last edited by lapis; 12-09-2007 at 10:50 PM.

22-09-2007, 11:53 PM	#13
lapis Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 166	jim, 20 years ago I would have responded to this subject in a totally different way. 10 years ago I would try to slide down the middle with it and just make a few suggestions and let it go at that. Today everything is radically different and so my response will reflect the current higher energeis and transformation of humanity. Having been born "psychic" I've learned much about how it works over the decades. Everyone needs to understand that the old ways of how we believe and expect "psychic" abilities to be are currently changing very fast. We're evolving and so are our abilities and consciousness are as well. What used to be impressive rare psychic abilites is fast becoming the New normal in everyone! With the long standing Veil between our brian hemispheres "falling" (disappearing) now, we're soon to quite literally become new higher functioning, perceiving, feeling and creating beings. We will be unrecognizable very soon to the old limited deaf dumb and blind heartless beings we've been! I wouldn't be too concerned with developing, the old lower way, your psychic abilites when you, me and humanity is currently transforming, evolving into new higher beings. Just pay attention in a very relaxed way and let this spiritual evolution happen within you. For the past 2 years I've been obsessively aware that this inner brain separation, this "left brain" vs. "right brain" split polarity consciousness is dying right along with the crusty insane patriarchy and elite. I just read something about this from a trusted source. "Timeless Space ~ Timeless Love" posted Sept. 15, 2007 - link below. "....Your brain is being re-wired over a period of approximately between two to five years, along with all of humanity...." http://lightworker.com/beacons/ We're evolving right now and will continue to and when we have full access to our non-polarized brains and opened Hearts......what used to be known as "psychic" will seem horribly small and useless. __________________ TRANSITIONS

12-09-2007, 01:21 AM	#2
kblood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northern Europe... somewhere :) Posts: 4,540	I think I have tried just about every psychic ability there is. Every one I know of anyway. I have tried explaining how to try to get in touch with them in other threads, but seems they keep getting lost as old threads. That is how it is to post in a forum with so many users Any specific abilities you have in mind? I have tried explaining mine and how I use them a few times now, so I guess its good practice for me. Also I maybe learn more about them or get new ideas by explaining them as well I cannot use them all at will though. Seems it takes time to get in the state of mind for them to work, or at least it takes will to get in that state of mind. I usually do not get into that state of mind without good reason, because the hardest part is to get rid of it again after. Takes time to calm down, and get back within the 5 senses again. F.ex. seeing ghosts or telepathy, makes everything a bit confusing. Doing normal everyday stuff can be quite difficult if you recieve telepathic messages, or got "white noise" in your head. Another problem is that these messages usually arent clear. Maybe not even meant for you to begin with. Still... what did you have in mind?

12-09-2007, 12:54 PM	#4
jim fear Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 458	I was wondering if you need any sort of protection, I’m not even sure what the dangers could be but I don’t want to go into this blind. I have an interest in astral travelling I have a book on this so I’m going to have a read though that and see where that gets me. I’d like to learn to mediate but I’m not quite sure what I should be doing while I mediate in order to gain whatever it is I have to gain from it even if it is just to help me relax. Basically I’m interested in anything I could use to improve my health, and progress in spiritual development. I have a few health problems which are holding me back at the moment so I’d like to get shut of them first and then continue with the development and hopefully I’ll be able to improve my life, and with any luck improve other peoples lives for the greater good. so some tips would be a great help! _underscore_ are you referring to yourself? What’s with the third person thing?

12-09-2007, 03:17 PM	#5
kblood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northern Europe... somewhere :) Posts: 4,540	Sounds like self healing is a good place to start then: http://www.quantumtouch.com/ Quantum touch healing is something I have used myself. I have always felt that I could keep sickness at bay as long as my psyche and mood wasnt too depressed or feeling generally down. Then I was lucky enough to get to know a couple that used massage and a kind of meditation as healing, of both body and mind. To make a better harmony of both. After joining this forum, I have come to see that the exactly same kind of therapy and healing are the techniques used in quantum touch healing. It can be used for selv healing and healing others as well. The general idea is somewhat that every touch is in fact a kind of healing. It can be done more effeciently though. As for _Underscore_, yea he/she likes to refer to him/her-self as third person. Confused me at first as well, and havent found out why. Would be nice if _Underscore would answer that question

12-09-2007, 08:54 PM	#7
hutanic Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 449	Why do u think all of us just base our conclusion on beliefs? Ever considered people may know of certain stuff and not just buy what others say purely based on faith? Search and u will find is best advice i can give u. Good luck

12-09-2007, 11:48 PM	#9
kblood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northern Europe... somewhere :) Posts: 4,540	I have felt much the same way Lapis. Some of the things I remember to have had as a kid, and then forgotten about. Later I have simply thought it seemed natural for everyone to communicate with telepathy, then I realised, as if waking up from a dream, that most people do not even believe telepathy to be possible. Before finding this forum, it seemed to me that most the world was walking around blindfolded... but now I see that we are alot that acknowledge these senses. Maybe I wont have to go concentrating on not using more than the "normal" 5 senses in a near future?

13-09-2007, 11:13 AM	#10
jim fear Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 458	There have been a lot of interesting replies to my messages. When I read my message back it seems as through I was returning to my default conditioned state and my mind closes up again. I find it very easy to have doubts and then “Fall back to sleep” maybe more so than others because I’ve never experienced anything outside my “normal” 5 senses so naturally I'm unsure of the abilities that we posses. Something like this is so hard to prove; hopefully in the coming weeks I’ll experience some thing, which change my perception. I think that at the moment I am at the opposite end of the spectrum to some of you guys, who evidently are very much in tune with your other senses. Its not that I don’t believe in these abilities it is just the fact I haven’t had the same experiences that a lot of you have had so I find it hard to accept, I guess that I’m a typical product of the system along with all my doubts. I’ll need to do a lot of studying because I have no idea how to access this stuff and I’m not really sure what to expect when I do, Maybe all this stuff is suppressed in me because of ill healthy and at the moment and my body’s focusing all its energies on addressing that. Lifeofbrain: I think that your view on UFOs/Ets is based around common sense. When you think about it, it’ll be more astonishing if there wasn’t life somewhere else in the universe since there are more suns than there are grains of sand on the earth. Depression wise I take it as it comes, I have breathing problems and when I exercise I tend to screw myself up, so I just avoid sugar and junk food and go out for walks. I’m a bit of a wreck at the moment. You mentioned the 2012 thing what did she think of that? My understanding is that there are 3 schools of thought on that subject 1. The earths axes reverse and we all die maybe leaving only the enlightened who some how survive 2. That it marks the date of a massive spiritual awakening, like the sawn of a new golden age 3. The Mayans got bored and just decided to stop writing there calendar Lapis: I think you sound quite gifted with these abilities special as they come so naturally to you, as does Kblood, hopefully in the not to distant future we’ll be able to communicate on a different level with these abilities (assuming they work that way) then I can stop writing these 10,000 word essays every time I have something to say! lol You sound like a very knowledge lot I hope that you won’t object to me picking your brains in the near future! It’s so much to get your head around through and I hope the world and life is as amazing as I feel it should be

13-09-2007, 12:05 PM	#11
kblood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northern Europe... somewhere :) Posts: 4,540	For a long time I actually was like you Jim. Mostly because my memories of using more than 5 senses got suppressed. After joining this forum, or when realising some of the powers are not just a fantasy, I get more memories back of using these senses earlier in my life. F.ex. I remember going to the hospital when I was young. My brother was to be examined I think. I met a little boy there in the waiting room, and I went to play with him. Much to the distress of his mother, I began to talk with him about death and the afterlife. I guess I must have sensed that his end was near. At some times, it seems I just give in to these senses, and go with the flow. Do what feels right to do. Before he went into what might have been surgery, I promished him that we could play again next time I came. The next time I came, he was in the waiting room again, and I said hi to him. I do not remember his responses at all, but I remember throwing a ball to him, that just went through him. So I went to my brother and told her that he was no fun to play with. That he was probably just dead. Another mother in the room thought I was crasy, but I think she realised that I was more than just a crasy young boy. Why would I talk about such things if there wasnt more to it? This memory is one that returned to me after joining this forum, and thinking back on my encounters with ghosts. All but one or two ghosts that I have met are ones that I knew before they died. The only logical way for a ghost to communicate must be some kind of telepathy. Telekineses is something I began to believe in because of a ghost. I told a ghost to smash a lamp, to prove it was there to someone else, and it did. So I realised that I as well ought to be able to interact with someone with my essence alone. I have found that it is possible, but very difficult as well. I have seen at least one on this forum that I am sure have learned to use telekinesis as well.

22-09-2007, 01:35 PM	#12
kesdin Inactive Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 26	I believe that there are things out there that people won't believe if they saw it just once. My train of thought is that why shouldn't we consider these things? Should we just believe what is on the surface or told to us? I've never actually experienced any ghost type things though. I've "sensed" some things but... My question is.. do all of these things fit in together? Aliens, ghosts, psychic powers, the end of the world, god, high-tech... I've heard stories of ghosts and things. I wouldn't recount those stories because they are really freaky. If I were to develop a psychic skill. I would develope telekinesis and clairvoyance.

23-09-2007, 12:31 AM	#15
lapis Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 166	lifeofbrian, Really? Why so....from your perspective? Because you so quickly and effortlessly called me a "fake" publically, I'd now like you to write why you believe this to be. __________________ TRANSITIONS

23-09-2007, 11:22 AM	#16
kblood Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northern Europe... somewhere :) Posts: 4,540	Seems very possible to me to be born psychic. I remember seeing ghosts as a kid, and back then it felt natural, but later I forgot about it. Guess it did not seem like anything important I was forgetting back then since it seemed common. Only much later I realised that it is not common to be able to see ghosts. So it seems to me that we are very likely to have been born psychics and then forgot about these abilities later. I also remember thinking telepathy to be something common and normal for everyone, but then I realised it was something rare that I could not even do myself. Now I have found that I can use telepathy as well, guess I did maybe 3-4 years ago.

23-09-2007, 10:07 PM	#17
lapis Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 166	Thanks kblood. I feel that everyone incarnates and remains somewhat open (some of us lifeofbrian, much more so and for far longer than others) to Home or more of Source. Problem for most people however is that from birth to age 7 we're natrually open and receptive to where we just came from but, if we're surrounded by parents/people/culture/religious beliefs etc countering what we're personally perceiving......then most people's open connection gets closed down sadly just to fit-in here. Or, for various reasons people loose their connection because it would hinder or make more difficult, what their Higher Self hopes for them to learn and integrate in this particular incarnation. There's lots of higher soul reasons for either staying open or not staying open. This confusion/argument is a common one in some astrology forums because people assume that if you have such and such planet/planets prominently placed in your birth chart that that automatically and naturally predisposes you be a "psychic" or "empathic" etc. Not totally so however and the reasons are found in individual developement and evolutionary frequencies, current soul purpose for this life, and being able (or not) to cope with perceiving and feeling more reality/realities at the same time than usual. It's like not being able to bench press 400 pounds because you've got to train first and build yourself up to being able to do that without harming your body. Same with energies and consciousness. I've never been about fitting-in, just the opposite, and this has much to do with why I and other people like me are sensitives in the first place! There's a theme here lifeofbrian, see if you can discern some of it instead of your knee-jerk reaction to what you don't understand as yet. I was very consciously aware of my own deeper embedding into this physical reality over the years but, for many different reasons (like a few past life trainings, soul purpose, unfinished services to self and humanity, things like this post and other things ), I remained psychically open throughout early childhood and beyond. My "psychic" abilites have grown and changed over the years as I have, which is as it should be, but I'm still receptive and in better ways than before actually. __________________ TRANSITIONS Last edited by lapis; 23-09-2007 at 10:16 PM.

24-09-2007, 07:26 AM	#18
kesdin Inactive Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 26	psipog.net is a great place to get information about psychic things. http://youtube.com/watch?v=-FBXaQkzrjI Last edited by i_am; 03-10-2007 at 12:58 PM.