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The above link shows that when an apple is cut horizontally the core takes the shape of a Pentagram or five pointed star



Venus is the second-closest planet to the Sun, orbiting it every 224.7 Earth days. The planet is named after Venus, the Roman goddess of love and beauty. After the Moon, it is the brightest natural object in the night sky, reaching an apparent magnitude of −4.6.

Because Venus is an inferior planet from Earth, it never appears to venture far from the Sun: its elongation reaches a maximum of 47.8. Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it is often called the Morning Star or the Evening Star.

Classified as a terrestrial planet, it is sometimes called Earth's "sister planet" because they are similar in size, gravity, and bulk composition. Venus is covered with an opaque layer of highly reflective clouds of sulfuric acid, preventing its surface from being seen from space in visible light.

Venus has the densest atmosphere of all the terrestrial planets, consisting mostly of carbon dioxide, as it has no carbon cycle to lock carbon back into rocks and surface features, nor organic life to absorb it in biomass. A younger Venus is believed to have possessed Earth-like oceans, but these totally evaporated as the temperature rose, leaving a dusty dry desertscape with many slab-like rocks.

(So venus is sort of the opposite of earth)

Physical characteristics

Venus is one of the four solar terrestrial planets, meaning that, like the Earth, it is a rocky body. In size and mass, it is very similar to the Earth.

The diameter of Venus is only 650 km less than the Earth's, and its mass is 81.5% of the Earth's. However, conditions on the Venusian surface differ radically from those on Earth, due to its dense carbon dioxide atmosphere. The mass of the atmosphere of Venus is 96.5% carbon dioxide, with most of the remaining 3.5% composed of nitrogen.[15]

The northern continent is called Ishtar Terra, after Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess of love, and is about the size of Australia.

Ishtar is a goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex.
In the Babylonian pantheon, she "was the divine personification of the planet Venus".

Ishtar was above all associated with sexuality: her cult involved sacred prostitution; her holy city Uruk was called the "town of the sacred courtesans"; and she herself was the "courtesan of the gods".


The southern continent is called Aphrodite Terra, after the Greek goddess of love, and is the larger of the two highland regions at roughly the size of South America. A network of fractures and faults covers much of this area.


Venus rotates about its axis in the opposite direction to most planets in the Solar System


Venus 'overtakes' the Earth every 584 days as it orbits the Sun.[1] As it does so, it goes from being the 'Evening star', visible after sunset, to being the 'Morning star',

Now comes the weird part, Venus orbit pattern results in the making of a pentagram.






Historic understanding
The Mayan Dresden Codex, which calculates Venus's appearances

As one of the brightest objects in the sky, Venus has been known since prehistoric times and as such has gained an entrenched position in human culture.
It is described in Babylonian cuneiformic texts such as the Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, which relates observations that possibly date from 1600 BC. The Babylonians named the planet Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna), the personification of womanhood, and goddess of love.


The Ancient Egyptians believed Venus to be two separate bodies and knew the morning star as Tioumoutiri and the evening star as Ouaiti.
Likewise, believing Venus to be two bodies, the Ancient Greeks called the morning star Φωσφόρος, Phosphoros (Latinized Phosphorus),
the "Bringer of Light" or Ἐωσφόρος, Eosphoros (Latinized Eosphorus), the "Bringer of Dawn". The evening star they called Hesperos (Latinized Hesperus) (Ἓσπερος, the "star of the evening").

By Hellenistic times, the ancient Greeks realized the two were the same planet. Hesperos would be translated into Latin as Vesper and Phosphoros as Lucifer ("Light Bearer"), a poetic term later used to refer to the fallen angel cast out of heaven.
The Romans would later name the planet in honor of their goddess of love, Venus, whereas the Greeks used the name of her Greek counterpart, Aphrodite (Phoenician Astarte). Pliny the Elder (Natural History, ii,37) identified the planet Venus with Isis.[109]

Venus was important to the Maya civilization, who developed a religious calendar based in part upon its motions, and held the motions of Venus to determine the propitious time for events such as war. They named it Noh Ek', the Great Star, and Xux Ek', the Wasp Star.
The Maya were aware of the planet's synodic period, and could compute it to within a hundredth part of a day. Lakotan spirituality refers to Venus as the daybreak star, and associates it with the last stage of life and wisdom.
The Maasai people named the planet Kileken, and have an oral tradition about it called The Orphan Boy.

Venus is important in many Australian aboriginal cultures, such as that of the Yolngu people in Northern Australia. The Yolngu gather after sunset to await the rising of Venus, which they call Barnumbirr. As she approaches, in the early hours before dawn, she draws behind her a rope of light attached to the Earth, and along this rope, with the aid of a richly decorated "Morning Star Pole", the people are able to communicate with their dead loved ones, showing that they still love and remember them. Barnumbirr is also an important creator-spirit in the Dreaming, and "sang" much of the country into life.
Shukra is the Sanskrit name for Venus

In western astrology, derived from its historical connotation with goddesses of femininity and love, Venus is held to influence desire and sexual fertility. In Indian Vedic astrology, Venus is known as Shukra,[67] meaning "clear, pure" or "brightness, clearness" in Sanskrit. One of the nine Navagraha, it is held to affect wealth, pleasure and reproduction; it was the son of Bhrgu, preceptor of the Daityas, and guru of the Asuras. Modern Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese cultures refer to the planet literally as the “metal star” (金星), based on the Five elements.[citation needed] The ancient Chinese called the star Tai Bai (太白) if sighted in the evening, and Qi Ming (启明) in the morning, and it is both a representation of an important Taoist deity and a symbol of war.

In the metaphysical system of Theosophy, it is believed that on the etheric plane of Venus there is a civilization hundreds of millions of years in advance of Earth’s and it is also believed that the governing deity of Earth, Sanat Kumara, is from Venus.


The astronomical symbol for Venus is the same as that used in biology for the female sex: a circle with a small cross beneath. The Venus symbol also represents femininity, and in Western alchemy stood for the metal copper.[117] Polished copper has been used for mirrors from antiquity, and the symbol for Venus has sometimes been understood to stand for the mirror of the goddess.

Perhaps the strangest appearance of Venus in literature is as the harbinger of destruction in Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950). In this intensely controversial book, Velikovsky argued that many seemingly unbelievable stories in the Old Testament are actually true recollections of times when Venus nearly collided with the Earth – when it was still a comet and had not yet become the docile planet that we know today. He contended that Venus caused most of strange events of the Exodus. He cites legends in many other cultures (such as Greek, Mexican, Chinese and Indian) indicating that the effects of the near-collision were global. The scientific community rejected his wildly unorthodox book, however it became a bestseller.

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Old 29-11-2009, 10:51 PM   #2
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The Venus-Saturn sub period started sometime in September of 2001. I have always wondered if that had anything to do with something.

Good read btw. Thanks.

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This topic lead me to this information,
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93205

The above link shows that when an apple is cut horizontally the core takes the shape of a Pentagram or five pointed star



Venus is the second-closest planet to the Sun, orbiting it every 224.7 Earth days. The planet is named after Venus, the Roman goddess of love and beauty. After the Moon, it is the brightest natural object in the night sky, reaching an apparent magnitude of −4.6.

Because Venus is an inferior planet from Earth, it never appears to venture far from the Sun: its elongation reaches a maximum of 47.8. Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it is often called the Morning Star or the Evening Star.

Classified as a terrestrial planet, it is sometimes called Earth's "sister planet" because they are similar in size, gravity, and bulk composition. Venus is covered with an opaque layer of highly reflective clouds of sulfuric acid, preventing its surface from being seen from space in visible light.

Venus has the densest atmosphere of all the terrestrial planets, consisting mostly of carbon dioxide, as it has no carbon cycle to lock carbon back into rocks and surface features, nor organic life to absorb it in biomass. A younger Venus is believed to have possessed Earth-like oceans, but these totally evaporated as the temperature rose, leaving a dusty dry desertscape with many slab-like rocks.

(So venus is sort of the opposite of earth)

Physical characteristics

Venus is one of the four solar terrestrial planets, meaning that, like the Earth, it is a rocky body. In size and mass, it is very similar to the Earth.

The diameter of Venus is only 650 km less than the Earth's, and its mass is 81.5% of the Earth's. However, conditions on the Venusian surface differ radically from those on Earth, due to its dense carbon dioxide atmosphere. The mass of the atmosphere of Venus is 96.5% carbon dioxide, with most of the remaining 3.5% composed of nitrogen.[15]

The northern continent is called Ishtar Terra, after Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess of love, and is about the size of Australia.

Ishtar is a goddess of fertility, love, war, and sex.
In the Babylonian pantheon, she "was the divine personification of the planet Venus".

Ishtar was above all associated with sexuality: her cult involved sacred prostitution; her holy city Uruk was called the "town of the sacred courtesans"; and she herself was the "courtesan of the gods".


The southern continent is called Aphrodite Terra, after the Greek goddess of love, and is the larger of the two highland regions at roughly the size of South America. A network of fractures and faults covers much of this area.


Venus rotates about its axis in the opposite direction to most planets in the Solar System


Venus 'overtakes' the Earth every 584 days as it orbits the Sun.[1] As it does so, it goes from being the 'Evening star', visible after sunset, to being the 'Morning star',

Now comes the weird part, Venus orbit pattern results in the making of a pentagram.






Historic understanding
The Mayan Dresden Codex, which calculates Venus's appearances

As one of the brightest objects in the sky, Venus has been known since prehistoric times and as such has gained an entrenched position in human culture.
It is described in Babylonian cuneiformic texts such as the Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, which relates observations that possibly date from 1600 BC. The Babylonians named the planet Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna), the personification of womanhood, and goddess of love.


The Ancient Egyptians believed Venus to be two separate bodies and knew the morning star as Tioumoutiri and the evening star as Ouaiti.
Likewise, believing Venus to be two bodies, the Ancient Greeks called the morning star Φωσφόρος, Phosphoros (Latinized Phosphorus),
the "Bringer of Light" or Ἐωσφόρος, Eosphoros (Latinized Eosphorus), the "Bringer of Dawn". The evening star they called Hesperos (Latinized Hesperus) (Ἓσπερος, the "star of the evening").

By Hellenistic times, the ancient Greeks realized the two were the same planet. Hesperos would be translated into Latin as Vesper and Phosphoros as Lucifer ("Light Bearer"), a poetic term later used to refer to the fallen angel cast out of heaven.
The Romans would later name the planet in honor of their goddess of love, Venus, whereas the Greeks used the name of her Greek counterpart, Aphrodite (Phoenician Astarte). Pliny the Elder (Natural History, ii,37) identified the planet Venus with Isis.[109]

Venus was important to the Maya civilization, who developed a religious calendar based in part upon its motions, and held the motions of Venus to determine the propitious time for events such as war. They named it Noh Ek', the Great Star, and Xux Ek', the Wasp Star.
The Maya were aware of the planet's synodic period, and could compute it to within a hundredth part of a day. Lakotan spirituality refers to Venus as the daybreak star, and associates it with the last stage of life and wisdom.
The Maasai people named the planet Kileken, and have an oral tradition about it called The Orphan Boy.

Venus is important in many Australian aboriginal cultures, such as that of the Yolngu people in Northern Australia. The Yolngu gather after sunset to await the rising of Venus, which they call Barnumbirr. As she approaches, in the early hours before dawn, she draws behind her a rope of light attached to the Earth, and along this rope, with the aid of a richly decorated "Morning Star Pole", the people are able to communicate with their dead loved ones, showing that they still love and remember them. Barnumbirr is also an important creator-spirit in the Dreaming, and "sang" much of the country into life.
Shukra is the Sanskrit name for Venus

In western astrology, derived from its historical connotation with goddesses of femininity and love, Venus is held to influence desire and sexual fertility. In Indian Vedic astrology, Venus is known as Shukra,[67] meaning "clear, pure" or "brightness, clearness" in Sanskrit. One of the nine Navagraha, it is held to affect wealth, pleasure and reproduction; it was the son of Bhrgu, preceptor of the Daityas, and guru of the Asuras. Modern Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese cultures refer to the planet literally as the “metal star” (金星), based on the Five elements.[citation needed] The ancient Chinese called the star Tai Bai (太白) if sighted in the evening, and Qi Ming (启明) in the morning, and it is both a representation of an important Taoist deity and a symbol of war.

In the metaphysical system of Theosophy, it is believed that on the etheric plane of Venus there is a civilization hundreds of millions of years in advance of Earth’s and it is also believed that the governing deity of Earth, Sanat Kumara, is from Venus.


The astronomical symbol for Venus is the same as that used in biology for the female sex: a circle with a small cross beneath. The Venus symbol also represents femininity, and in Western alchemy stood for the metal copper.[117] Polished copper has been used for mirrors from antiquity, and the symbol for Venus has sometimes been understood to stand for the mirror of the goddess.

Perhaps the strangest appearance of Venus in literature is as the harbinger of destruction in Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950). In this intensely controversial book, Velikovsky argued that many seemingly unbelievable stories in the Old Testament are actually true recollections of times when Venus nearly collided with the Earth – when it was still a comet and had not yet become the docile planet that we know today. He contended that Venus caused most of strange events of the Exodus. He cites legends in many other cultures (such as Greek, Mexican, Chinese and Indian) indicating that the effects of the near-collision were global. The scientific community rejected his wildly unorthodox book, however it became a bestseller.
Good stuff! Venus is not really venus, and Lucifer is not really lucifer. Also, an apple was depicted in the Adam-Eve scene for a reason! It's all a riddle! Venus + Lucifer + Pentagram + Apple cut horizontally contains the hidden clues, or should I say, keys, to esoteric knowledge. Can you figure it out?

(Btw, based on this post alone you are a lot closer to the Truth than a lot of other ppl on this forum)!
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Venus appears in the sky one hour before the rise of the Sun and then disappears and reappears in the sky for another hour after the sun sets. Because of this reason the appearance of Venus in the morning was called the "Morning Star" or the "false light"; it was the brightest of all celestial objects during this time and was the brightest of all celestial objects after the sun set. At that time it was called the "evening star".

The Aztec god Quetzaacoatl is known as the "Morning Star" and Quetzalcoatl's twin Xolotl is known as the dark personification of Venus, the evening star.

Manly P. Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages;

"The Red Children of the Sun," writes James Morgan Pryse, "do not worship One God. For them that One God is impersonal, and all the Forces emanated from that One God are personal. This is the exact reverse of the popular western conception of a personal God and impersonal working in nature.......These Children of the Sun adore the Plumed Serpent, who is the messanger of the Sun. He was the God Quetzacoatl in Mexico, Gucumatz in Quiche; and in Peru he was called Amaru. From the latter name comes our word America. Amaruca is, literally translated, 'Land of the Plumed Serpent.' ........In the Quiche tongue Gucumatz is the exact equivalent of Quetzalcoatl in the Nahuatl language; quetzal, the bird of Paradise; coatl, serpent - 'the Serpent veiled in plumes of the paradise-bird'!"

With this in mind, the Bird of Paradise is the Mexican Bird of Paradise which is the Phoenix. I believe this to be the bird of the United States Great Seal; which is on the back of the one dollar bill not the bald eagle. I find it fascinating that Queztalcoatl is associated with the planet Venus and is also known by the name "The Morning Star". Lucifer is referred to as "The Morning Star". Another interesting connection here is the Lapis Exilis "a mystic stone that was used by the Phoenix to regain its youth". Manly P. Hall states in The Secret Teachings of All Ages that the Lapis Exilis, crown jewel of the Archangel Lucifer fell from Heaven". The Archangel Michael is said to have "swooped down upon Lucifer....with his flaming sword struck the flashing Lapis Exilis from the coronet of his adversary, and the green stone fell..."

It is interesting because the stone Lapis Exillis is latin. Lapis meanings stone or gem and Exilis comes from exillium which would mean exile or banished from. This makes complete sense to me because Lucifer was banished from Heaven. The stone being green or emerald is symbolic as well. Green ofcourse is synonymous with prosperity and growth. Lucifer lost this and symbolically the stone. It is said that this stone is used by the Phoenix Bird to regain its youth. The early seal of the United States was in fact the Phoenix bird. I believe it still is the Phoexnix bird and not the bald eagle. The bird now carries a banner in its beak which says "E Pluribus Unum" which means "Out of many one". This to me relates to the regenerative process in which the Phoenix Bird goes through. When it dies it builds a nest and from that nest brings forth new life.

If you watch "The Wizard of Oz" you will notice when 'Oz' gives gifts to Dorothy and her companions "Oz' specifically states "E Pluribus Unum". Note that Dorothy travels to the Emerald City; which on its doors and inside a decorated in green gems; Lapis Exilis?

"Fishes were sacred to the Greeks and Romans, being connected with the worship of Aphrodite (Venus). An interesting survival of pagan ritualism is found in the custom of eating fish on Friday. Freya, in whose honor the day was named, was the Scandinavian Venus, and this day was sacred among many nations to the goddess of beauty and fecundity. This analogy further links the fish with the procreative mystery. Friday is also sacred to the followers of the Prophet Mohammed."

"The feminine principle is repeatedly emphasized in Islamic symbolism. For example, Friday, which is sacred to the planer Venus, is the Moslem's holy day; green is the color of the Prophet and, being symbolic of verdure, is inevitably associated with the World Mother; and both the Islamic crescent and the scimitar may be interpreted to signify the crescent shape of either the moon or Venus."

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I think now is a perfect time to insert this. Many of you may have seen it but I believe now is the best time to look at it again. If you have 3hrs to kill than take a look. Alot of what we are talking about is discussed about half way through this film regarding Venus and Lucifer.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5847122&hl=en#

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Most people tend to take the Bible way too literally, when it is really a gigantic puzzle containing Atlantean esoteric knowledge. I think Nassim Haramein had the right idea when he used the Old Testament to confirm his scientific discoveries about the nature of reality.

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Most people tend to take the Bible way too literally, when it is really a gigantic puzzle containing Atlantean esoteric knowledge. I think Nassim Haramein had the right idea when he used the Old Testament to confirm his scientific discoveries about the nature of reality.
True, it has been corrupted and edited, but not the whole thing is esoteric.

They used the bible for their own benefit, cause they knew that it would still exist in this time.
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Thanks for posting, this is very interesting, what puzzles me is that the apple did not exist in biblical times and it is a cultivated fruit by man,not a naturally occuring fruit Maybe there is a message in that about Man interfering with nature and the natural laws of the universe.

The word apple was used as a generic term used on all (foreign) or other fruit other than berries.
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thus is the hindu - indian version of lord Venus.


He is also the leader of the demons (asuras)..it is said his left eye has been poked out making him half blind till this day.

so could it be that his eye is the eye on the pyramid on back of the dollar bill?
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OLD NEWS!

This connection has been established years ago.
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I highly recommend the book "The Secret History of Lucifer" by Lynn Pickett.

She addresses how Venus became the Morning Star (Lucifer) and then the Vatican attributed Pan to Lucifer and so on so we would ultimately have a horned devil as the ruler of hell.

Good book on the slow progression of planet to church control of sheeple
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Thanks for posting, this is very interesting, what puzzles me is that the apple did not exist in biblical times and it is a cultivated fruit by man,not a naturally occuring fruit Maybe there is a message in that about Man interfering with nature and the natural laws of the universe.

The word apple was used as a generic term used on all (foreign) or other fruit other than berries.
I'm not sure is was an apple, I think it was the fly agaric, said to be fruit of the birch I think, and besides, what does eating an apple do to you?
Plus wasn't the earth once covered with evergreens?
The tree of life either meant the kabballah but could it mean the evergreen that 'never dies?'

Hallucinogens certainly teach you so much more and depending on your thinking, can lead to good or evil.

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The name of the mushroom (muscaria) is derived from the Latin word musca, which means fly. It was traditionally thought that this was because Amanita muscaria can be used as an insecticide to kill flies.

However, there exists no firm evidence the fly agaric was ever used in Europe (as a fly killer) before mediaeval times. It has been argued that the fly reference can be attributed to demonic possession.
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Lol, just read this on the site the quote came from

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/var012.htm

A fresco in Plaincourault Abbey (Indre, France) from 1291 shows Adam and Eve standing on either side of the biblical tree of knowledge. The tree itself looks like Amanita muscaria. See the image here.




The strangest thing is that I got this idea reading DI's Robots Rebellion last night and he says the analogy of giving knowledge which is forbidden is known as the 'mushroom effect' meaning we are kept in the dark and fed bullshit, did he consciously know this or was it his subconscious coming out?
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Good stuff! Venus is not really venus, and Lucifer is not really lucifer. Also, an apple was depicted in the Adam-Eve scene for a reason! It's all a riddle! Venus + Lucifer + Pentagram + Apple cut horizontally contains the hidden clues, or should I say, keys, to esoteric knowledge. Can you figure it out?

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Ahhhhh I see what you're trying to say, you're trying to say these things are not in themselves 'evil'.

But evil is most certainly done in the name of 'Lucifer'.

And the 5 pointed star is most certainly used by wiccans and satanists, and communists..

And they do some rather unpleasant things do they not?

Ritual murder and child abuse for example.... It's not a puzzle and it's not complex. There are ancient superstitious cults who observed the planets and stars and got shit scared whenever these things moved around the sky so they imagined that they had to kill children to appease these wrathful 'gods'. Well, they weren't scared at all, they knew they were only planets, but they found that they could spice it up and tell the ignorant people that they were Gods and they found this was a great way to control them through terror, because these priests would know the movement of the Gods at any given time of the year which most likely would impress the superstitious polulous as magical and worthy of their alliegiance to the priesthood.

The only problem is these control cults are still very much alive. Why is the American military housed at the PENTAGON for instance?

Would it not be right to call the attrocities of war evil? Have you seen what depleted uranium does to the development of unborn children?

Pure evil in anyone's book.

Another so called mystery solved.....


As as postscript I would just like to speculate. Although the planet Venus could not support life as we know it.... could it not be used as a base for creatures existing in a different dimension of existence, creatures which are not physical beings as we know it.....? Would this idea not tie in many of the confusing ideas about what the 'planets' and their influences represent?
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why is it that a pentagram is always linked to satanism?
its roots grow much deeper than Christianity's obsession with evil and fear.

if you look at our bodies, we also make a pentagram, a star. which is really what we are. my god, how evil is that.

the pentagram is the alchemical power of the elements creating together.
earth, air, fire, water, & spirit.

i think its amazing venus orbit in a pentagram. this must be why the mayans held it sacred! it must greatly affect our beautiful earth & her energies.
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why is it that a pentagram is always linked to satanism?D
Er... I just explained it all perfectly. An inconvenient truth that doesn't fit in with your beliefs perhaps?

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the pentagram is the alchemical power of the elements creating together.
earth, air, fire, water, & spirit.
Pure meaningless mumbo jumbo.....

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if you look at our bodies, we also make a pentagram, a star. which is really what we are. my god, how evil is that.
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oh, i forgot to mention, that lucifer isn't bad either....as christians may want most to believe.
Lucifer = bringer of light or light bearer


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Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. Use of the word in this sense is uncommon in English, in which "Day Star" or "Morning Star" are more common expressions.

Though this association is not found in the New Testament, in English, "Lucifer" generally refers to the Devil. The use of the name "Lucifer" in reference to a fallen angel stems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives the title of "Day Star", "Morning Star" (in Latin, lucifer),[2] as fallen or destined to fall from the heavens or sky.[3] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used to refer to the Morning Star, with no relation to the devil. However, in post-New Testament times the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil, primarily in fictional works.
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oh, i forgot to mention, that lucifer isn't bad either....as christians may want most to believe.
Lucifer = bringer of light or light bearer



Manly P Hall begs to differ and he was one of 'you lot'.
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Er... I just explained it all perfectly. An inconvenient truth that doesn't fit in with your beliefs perhaps?



Pure meaningless mumbo jumbo.....



Er....... Nurse!
if it really was so meaningless, why is it this kind of knowledge has been kept so secret?
they've clearly done a wonderful job at conditioning people to believe its all mumbo jumbo, as you say.
right, satanic rituals, arent' mumbo jumbo and have been validated....
but to use this knowledge for anything else is clearly stupid and evil. right.
perhaps one should look a bit deeper, and go back in time a bit further, yet.
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