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Old 18-11-2009, 10:23 PM   #1
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Default the elite do NOT want to kill off 80% of humanity

this is disinfo put out there by various people/organizations

do you really think the illuminati took millions of years of time and money to mind control a society so badassedly to just kill all of them off ?

they could have killed us off long ago.

they will only kill off certain sectors of society

dissenters, blacks, most brown people(they like white people for mind control reasons)

the rest will be enslaved which some might argue might be worse then death.

i personally rather go down fighting like a real man, like a warrior, don't know about the rest of you.

lets not let them get their way.

lets END THE NWO!
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I 100% agree that they don't plan on killing 80% of humanity. That much is obvious. End-of-the-world fantasies have always been an effective method of controlling the population, and the best way you control a rebellious population is to pretend to be that which you are not. The rebellious population can be easily controlled as long as you don't tell them what your true intentions are.

The truth is that we are already enslaved, all of us, and we all have been. We are enslaved to one thing: money. It is a much keener master than a whip or a gun could ever be. People don't want to get shot. But they do want to get rich.

America goes on. Conspiracy theorists will be made to look like fools and people will ignore them again, as the rotation goes. I'm not saying they are fools. I'm saying that they've been pumped up with so much disinformation that it's running out of their ears. The largest proportion of what people believe is going to happen is not even going to REMOTELY happen. Things are going to continue on as they are. The Illuminati know they can't stop human progress, they can only slow it down as much as possible. So they give us as little as we're willing to take.

It's not a matter of numbers, or of weapons. The greatest weapon is the human mind. That's what they need to control, not our bodies. And they are controlling our collective mind pretty well, wouldn't you say?

A human will take greed over freedom any day of the week. Even the self-righteous nay-sayers who pretend otherwise.
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Old 18-11-2009, 11:09 PM   #3
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I 100% agree that they don't plan on killing 80% of humanity. That much is obvious. End-of-the-world fantasies have always been an effective method of controlling the population, and the best way you control a rebellious population is to pretend to be that which you are not. The rebellious population can be easily controlled as long as you don't tell them what your true intentions are.

The truth is that we are already enslaved, all of us, and we all have been. We are enslaved to one thing: money. It is a much keener master than a whip or a gun could ever be. People don't want to get shot. But they do want to get rich.

America goes on. Conspiracy theorists will be made to look like fools and people will ignore them again, as the rotation goes. I'm not saying they are fools. I'm saying that they've been pumped up with so much disinformation that it's running out of their ears. The largest proportion of what people believe is going to happen is not even going to REMOTELY happen. Things are going to continue on as they are. The Illuminati know they can't stop human progress, they can only slow it down as much as possible. So they give us as little as we're willing to take.

It's not a matter of numbers, or of weapons. The greatest weapon is the human mind. That's what they need to control, not our bodies. And they are controlling our collective mind pretty well, wouldn't you say?

A human will take greed over freedom any day of the week. Even the self-righteous nay-sayers who pretend otherwise.

Great post!

So, like you say, a lot of the things people think is going to happen will not happen, so, in your opinion, what do you think will and will not happen? or would you be guessing?

Do you think the dollar will crash?
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I understand what you mean prehaps they are trying to depopulate but not as much as 80 percent and all i hear is population troubles on the news.

Anything can happen.
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But, they don't need as many of us now. I mean, in the past, they needed large numbers of people to work their lands and factories and to fight their wars. Now, they have robots and drones who increasingly take on those tasks with more efficiency and at a lower cost.

Technology advances every day, so soon enough they will have AI sufficiently developed to taken on every single task. What would they need us for by then?

If enough people are unemployed (because technology takes their jobs), it's reasonable to think that they are going to rebel. They are definitely not going to allow that to happen, nor will share their wealth, nor maintain a large number of people for doing nothing useful to them.

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Great post!

So, like you say, a lot of the things people think is going to happen will not happen, so, in your opinion, what do you think will and will not happen? or would you be guessing?

Do you think the dollar will crash?
No matter what I'm saying, I'm guessing. Almost everyone in this "conspiracy field" who claims to have information is not even a disinformation agent, they are just greedy liars out to make a quick buck.

I personally don't think the dollar will crash. I do think America will become a single nation with Mexico and Canada. I do think that within a hundred years or so we will have a global government, but I don't think it will be as oppressive as most conspiracy theorists think. I see slow progress moving forward, just as we see slow progress if we look at past history moving into our present.

I do think however that our progress will become increasingly fast the more technologically advanced that we become.

But once again, I can't see into the future, and thank God I don't pretend to either.
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the earth can only support so many people on a physical level. a proportion of third world is required by corporations to feed off and for this reason they will endeavour to perpetuate inequality. the nwo would want to wipe out consumers and the (so called) third world population will suffer at the hand of resource rather than a hidden hand.
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the earth can only support so many people on a physical level. a proportion of third world is required by corporations to feed off and for this reason they will endeavour to perpetuate inequality. the nwo would want to wipe out consumers and the (so called) third world population will suffer at the hand of resource rather than a hidden hand.
I don't think they want to wipe out consumers, as that would be like the parasite purposely killing it's host and then starving to death.

They need to keep the system going, otherwise they won't have anything to own or control.

I agree with the statement about the earth only supporting so many people. I predict population control as an inevitable reality in the future. The near future. The method of enforcement may be violent, but I imagine it will be more like an "apply for a license" thing. I don't know how it would work to stop people from having children, but... eugh... forced abortions seems like the only answer to me short of killing large numbers of people or sterilizing people based on their DNA, which is even more evil.

I am not saying I am for this, but I can't really claim to be against it either as I don't know a viable solution to our population problem. We cannot let 20 billion people live on this planet.
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They dont want us dead ? Phewww!! Thank god. I can sleep well tonight then

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Well if you believe this BS then you are naive (with all due respect).



THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

I have talked with these people many times that have this mindset. They don't just want to kill people. It is about killing the right people. Those that are stupid sheep that allow them selves to be fooled by the elite and take the swine flu vaccine etc.


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we're programmed to proliferate and destroy our host (earth). So maybe that little group of "testers"
is just functioning as medicine?"

Ted Turner about population reduction:


Published in The American Almanac, 1994

The shocking adoption of an official (if secret) policy by the United States, of defining its own national security in terms of the reduction of population of other, poorer nations, represents the predominant influence, but not yet the core worldview, of the neo-Malthusians. Their policies are represented to governments in terms of economic or strategic coercion, the exercise of raw power of empires or superpowers to stop the development of other, competitor nations. But their core objective is sheer racial and class hatred, a desire to eliminate as many brown, black, yellow, or poor human beings as possible. Malthus himself, as a paid writer for the British East India Company, was an out-and-out petty thief, who plagiarized the bulk of his work from eighteenth century Venetian Giammaria Ortes. Using Ortes’s assertion that the Earth has a finite “carrying capacity,” Malthus wrote in order to abolish the poor laws in the British Isles, causing the death of poor children, and in order to justify a massive increase of looting of India, which led to the famines, drug wars, and population collapse of the nineteenth century on the Indian subcontinent.

Thomas Malthus

“We are bound in justice and honour formally to disdain the Right of the poor to support. “To this end, I should propose a regulation to be made, declaring that no child born from any marriage taking place after the expiration of a year from the date of the law, and no illegitimate child born two years from the same date, should ever be entitled to parish assistance…. “The infant is, comparatively speaking, of little value to society, as others will immediately supply its place.” –Thomas Malthus, An Essay on the Principle of Population

“All children who are born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the death of grown persons…. Therefore … we should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavoring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality; and if we dread the too frequent visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should sedulously encourage the other forms of destruction, which we compel nature to use. “Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague. In the country, we should build our villages near stagnant pools, and particularly encourage settlement in all marshy and unwholesome situations. But above all we should reprobate specific remedies for ravaging diseases; and restrain those benevolent, but much mistaken men, who have thought they are doing a service to mankind by protecting schemes for the total extirpation of particular disorders.” –Malthus, ibid.

Bertrand Russell

“The white population of the world will soon cease to increase. The Asiatic races will be longer, and the negroes still longer, before their birth rate falls sufficiently to make their numbers stable without help of war and pestilence. Until that happens, the benefits aimed at by socialism can only be partially realized, and the less prolific races will have to defend themselves by methods which are disgusting even if they are necessary.” –Bertrand Russell

“I have already spoken of the population problem, but a few words must be added about its political aspect. …. It will be impossible to feel that the world is in a satisfactory state until there is a certain degree of equality, and a certain acquiescence everywhere in the power of the World Government, and this will not be possible until the poorer nations of the world have become … more or less stationary in population. The conclusion to which we are driven by the facts that we have been considering is that, while great wars cannot be avoided until there is a World Government, a World Government cannot be stable until every important country has nearly stationary population.” –Bertrand Russell

Prince Philip, … of Great Britain

“You cannot keep a bigger flock of sheep than you are capable of feeding. In other words conservation may involve culling in order to keep a balance between the relative numbers in each species within any particular habitat. I realize this is a very touchy subject, but the fact remains that mankind is part of the living world…. Every new acre brought into cultivation means another acre denied to wild species.” –Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, consort of Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain

“In the event I am reborn, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.” –Prince Philip, quoted in Deutsche Presse Agentur, August 1988

Paul Ehrlich

“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people…. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.” –Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb

Michael Soverstein, president, Environmental Economics

“If necessary, nations of the Third World must be forced to remain poor if their development threatens resources on which all life depends.” –Michael Soverstein, president, Environmental Economics

Dr. Arne Schiotz, World Wildlife Fund Director of Conservation

“Malthus has been vindicated, reality is finally catching up with Malthus. The Third World is overpopulated, it’s an economic mess, and there’s no way they could get out of it with this fast-growing population. Our philosophy is: back to the village.” –Dr. Arne Schiotz, World Wildlife Fund Director of Conservation, 1984

Thomas Lovejoy, World Wildlife Fund

“The biggest problems are the damn national sectors of these developing countries. These countries think that they have the right to develop their resources as they see fit. They want to become powers.” –Thomas Lovejoy, vice president, World Wildlife Fund U.S.A., 1984

Sir Peter Scott, World Wildlife Fund

“If we look at things causally, the bigger problem in the world is population. We must set a ceiling to human numbers. All development aid should be made dependent on the existence of strong family planning programs.” –Sir Peter Scott, chairman, World Wildlife Fund U.K., 1984

Fritz Leutwiler, Bank for International Settlements

“It means the reduction of real income in countries where the majority of the population is already living at the minimum existence level or even under it. That is difficult, but one cannot spare the highly indebted countries this difficult path. It is unavoidable.” –Fritz Leutwiler, chairman, Bank for International Settlements, 1982

“Fritz speaks with his guts. If he had his way, he would kill them all, in the Third World, except a few raw materials producers, of course.” –One of Leutwiler’s fellow Geneva bankers

William Paddock, US State Department

“If you do anything to increase food production through more agricultural technology, all you are doing is increasing future suffering, because there will be more people, population will expand to absorb that food, and the results will be a greater disaster…. Mexico simply can’t handle 60 million people … think how prosperous Mexico would be today if it had the population of 1933, 18 million.” –William Paddock, U.S. State Department agronomist and co-author, Famine 1975! America’s Decision, Who Will Survive?, in remarks in 1980

Julian Blackwelder, The Environmental Fund

“[In Bangladesh] if you go and feed people whose problem is that their numbers are forever getting greater, all you can possibly do is incubate catastrophe; you keep enlarging the number of people that you know absolutely have to perish in a very unfortunate way sometime in the future, and reasonably soon…. I think any humanitarian would like to see the population of Mexico reduced in a humane way. Otherwise it will be reduced in an inhumane way.” –Julian Blackwelder, director, The Environmental Fund, 1980

Thomas Ferguson, State Department Office of Population Affairs

“There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it…. “Our program in El Salvador didn’t work. The infrastructure was not there to support it. There were just too goddamned many people…. To really reduce population, quickly, you have to pull all the males into the fighting and you have to kill significant numbers of fertile age females…. “The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through disease like the Black Death….” –Thomas Ferguson, State Department Office of Population Affairs, Latin American Desk, February 1981 interview

Michael Novak

“…Every newborn child lowers the average per capita income.” –Michael Novak, The Spirit of Democratic Capitalism

The Club of Rome

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap of mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.” –Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution, 1991

William Paddock, State Department

“The Mexican population must be reduced by half. Seal the border and watch them scream.” And, asked how this population reduction would be accomplished, the speaker replied: “By the usual means: famine, war, and pestilence.” –William Paddock, State Department consultant, 1975 interview

Robert McNamara, World Bank

“Overpopulation and rapid demographic growth of Mexico is already today one of the major threats to the national security of the United States.” Unless the U.S.-Mexico border is sealed, “we will be up to our necks in Mexicans for whom we cannot find jobs.” –Robert McNamara, then-World Bank president, March 19, 1982

“…There are only two possible ways in which a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birth rates must come down more quickly. Or the current death rates must go up. “There is no other way. “There are, of course, many ways in which the death rates can go up. In a thermonuclear age, war can accomplish it very quickly and decisively. Famine and disease are nature’s ancient checks on population growth, and neither one has disappeared from the scene…. “To put it simply: Excessive population growth is the greatest single obstacle to the economic and social advancement of most of the societies in the developing world.” –Robert McNamara, Oct. 2, 1979
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Old 18-11-2009, 11:27 PM   #11
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Why does it never occur to people who believe that everything is disinfo that the Georgia Guidestones might be put there to scare the shit out of you and back up your silly theories?

You really think people who want to destroy most of the planet are going to put it on a rock right out in the middle of daylight for everyone to read and post about the internet? Are you people out of your minds? It was paid for by an anonymous millionaire.

You have no idea what his intentions were. You have no idea if he was even a Freemason! Perhaps he was a rich religioso who needed to advance rumors of Luciferian conspiracies in order to win over more ignorant souls to his paranoid religion.

It could be anything. If you really believe these people are so smart they could run a worldwide conspiracy, you should stop and consider why they would be so stupid that they would put this on a rock in the public at a tourist attraction. It's almost idiotic to assume anything about it.
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I don't think they want to wipe out consumers, as that would be like the parasite purposely killing it's host and then starving to death.

They need to keep the system going, otherwise they won't have anything to own or control.

I agree with the statement about the earth only supporting so many people. I predict population control as an inevitable reality in the future. The near future. The method of enforcement may be violent, but I imagine it will be more like an "apply for a license" thing. I don't know how it would work to stop people from having children, but... eugh... forced abortions seems like the only answer to me short of killing large numbers of people or sterilizing people based on their DNA, which is even more evil.

I am not saying I am for this, but I can't really claim to be against it either as I don't know a viable solution to our population problem. We cannot let 20 billion people live on this planet.
oops sorry, i fully agree there should have been a 'not' within the consumer statement - a typographical error.

i believe that pregnancy will become licensed within the 'western' world as a form of birth control. an income driver as well as quality control.
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ok, so assuming they don't want to lower the population.. what's the point of them releasing the disinfo that they do want to? Ie. the 'Global 2000' report and the like..
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What a rothschild told me:
(testers are the elite)

"The biggest question that humanity has to answer for itself is
"Are we cancer or are we medicine?", and not "Where is God?" So far we share more with cancer cells,
we're programmed to proliferate and destroy our host (earth). So maybe that little group of "testers"
is just functioning as medicine?"


What else have you been told?

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oops sorry, i fully agree there should have been a 'not' within the consumer statement - a typographical error.

i believe that pregnancy will become licensed within the 'western' world as a form of birth control. an income driver as well as quality control.
Another problem with population control is that people will fight it, and they will have a moral right and obligation to fight it. The government should not be allowed to tell people whether or not they are "fit" to have children. However at the same time, thinking on a practical level, what is going to happen when the population rates begin to increase exponentially over the next few decades? 7 billion people will turn into 14 billion people a lot faster than 7 million turned into 14 million. So many people breeding unrestricted will cause a massive population overgrowth, even if the rumors of our current overpopulation are dramatically exaggerated.

So it's a moral question, and one without a satisfactory answer. Controlling who is allowed to have birth is in my opinion immoral and evil. However, if we don't control the population, we're going to starve to death and destroy everything on the planet while we do it.

So what do we do?

I'm glad it's not my decision. Because I don't know if I could make it.
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Forget just turning off the TV we need to turn off the internet as well. It’s not doing us all good is all this information / disinformation and we spend far too much time on it that some of us become it. You won’t find the answers on the TV, on the internet or even a Rothschild’s mouth but probably within you. I suppose its all about the balance and not over indulgencing things!
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I constantly wonder how much of what I hold as fact is actually disinformation.

I do firmly believe they want to reduce the population, but not in the drastic way many are expecting. No, vaccines and the chemicals we are exposed to every day are good enough to cause long term fertility.
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It is about killing the right people. Those that are stupid sheep that allow them selves to be fooled by the elite and take the swine flu vaccine etc.
Really...
What about the innocent children or infants/toddlers who won't have a chance because it is their parents decision. They are part of the depop. agenda I suppose? Yeah, they are surely selecting certain people such as sheep...
And those sheep can't help it. They didn't have the heads up that they would be dumbed down through subliminals and toxic food and water.
Get real dude. Elite don't favor those that are not considered sheeple. That is wishful thinking. If anything those "non-sheeple" are a threat.
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But, they don't need as many of us now. I mean, in the past, they needed large numbers of people to work their lands and factories and to fight their wars. Now, they have robots and drones who increasingly take on those tasks with more efficiency and at a lower cost.

Technology advances every day, so soon enough they will have AI sufficiently developed to taken on every single task. What would they need us for by then?

If enough people are unemployed (because technology takes their jobs), it's reasonable to think that they are going to rebel. They are definitely not going to allow that to happen, nor will share their wealth, nor maintain a large number of people for doing nothing useful to them.
As I see/understand the issue, the question involves the "cleansing". The numbers are immaterial to the issue, like the reason it might/must take place... soon.

Every imaginable combination of DNA "manipulation" has already occurred (can you name two "races" which have not been "cross pollinated" for the result...) The worlds "slave masters" have performed this "operation" for MANY generations... The biggest plus the biggest (or what ever "trait" might be desired) usually resulted in the biggest, examples might be Tiger Woods or most of the Major Sports icons in most every Sport venue held "sacred" by the mainstreamers.

The "average individual" has been "engineered" as excellent consumers, by their "Religion`s Celebrations", (From Christmas and Easter to "New Year`s" and the new comer, Kwanza), the Keep up with the Jones`s mentality, advertising complete with subliminals, you get the idea, waste is not only acceptable but preferred (ever hear of designed obsolescence... look at American Cars. Three years of payments, leaving a substancial amount left... your "trade in" will allow them to financially bleed you for yet another three to five years at which time the circle is complete and starts anew) or the various "Holidays" where one goes into the chasm because "the kids love it, and I always had one".

Frugal is a swear word, excess is acceptable... with consumption and waste overwhelming "balanced budget" or living within one`s means. Peer pressures are observed to be among those "excesses"... Pitch a fit if you don`t get a Wii or a PS3, while the parents struggle with mortgage payments and food bills. A cell phone where destruction of your "credit report" takes control of any "spare cash" (like there would be any after both parents work themselves to the grave) and your list of financial priorities no longer matters.

And we were trained ("Pavlov`s dogs") to exercise our credit and ignore our physical health (they got a pill for that, ya know). Warehouse the Elderly (out of sight, out of mind) as opposed to listening and learning what may very well have taken a Sitting Elder a lifetime of struggle, and could benefit you more than a Degree from some "Institution"... applicable information, not supposition.

I have sang a sad song, and it is time to end...

with respect
truth

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