Sparta Private security firm patrol local streets

geordiejp · 14-11-2009, 10:17 AM

I watched something really worring for UK residents on BBC news,

They did a quick headline of this Sparta security firm patrolling in the streets of darlington, providing instant security for residents and helping the locals more quickly than the police --

This is CRAZY the UK is one step closer to a police state, or is it already one ??

I managed to find the article here below

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8359948.stm

Private 'police' provoke concern

Security guards in Darlington say they are filling a vacuum left by the police
The growing number of private security companies policing UK streets is a worrying development, senior police figures say.

The Police Federation of England and Wales said there is "huge concern" over their powers and accountability.

Former Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair has also said there should be no role for the private sector in Britain's law enforcement.

The firms typically charge residents to patrol streets and deter troublemakers.

Regular patrols

The growth in private security firms taking on policing work comes despite an increase in police numbers.

A record 141,252 police officers are available for duty in England and Wales, although there have been reductions in 16 police areas.

Private security firms have no powers, although chief constables may award some limited ones such as allowing them to move people on.

It's the police who patrol public space and we should be very wary about giving those powers to private security companies

Simon Reed, Police Federation
BBC correspondent Keith Doyle joined one private security company who began patrolling the streets of Darlington this week.

He said residents there pay between £2 and £4 a week to have their homes included in regular patrols and to receive an instant response if they need help.

"These guards know they have no powers but they say simply by being here it prevents trouble and that's something local residents agree with and have signed up for," he said.

Francis Jones of Sparta Security told our correspondent the patrols provided a visual deterrent to potential criminals.

He said: "We are giving a deterrent to them and also raising the confidence of the public who have taken us on board and there are quite a lot of people coming forward, ringing us up, wanting our service."

'Fear of crime'

But the vice chairman of the Police Federation, which represents officers, said such firms could cause problems.

Simon Reed said: "We have got people who have certain powers, we are going to see them in uniform. Potentially there is confusion there for the public and who are they actually accountable to?

"I understand the public's fear of crime but actually it's the police who patrol public space and we should be very wary about giving those powers to private security companies."

Sir Ian Blair said more use should be made of community officers and civilians working within the police, otherwise there could be more private police patrols.

He said: "I do not see community safety as a commodity to be bought and sold and therefore we shouldn't be having the private sector in policing.

"Unless we get this right, we will end up with private security coming in and they will work for the rich and the poor will go without."

keithm · 14-11-2009, 10:24 AM

common purpose

marpat · 14-11-2009, 10:27 AM

I read that some residents are hiring security guards in certain areas becase the lack of police is causing too many problems. The real problem is that such guards only have the same powers of arrest as everybody else does so if they fuck it up it can lead to real problems

marpat · 14-11-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by keithm

common purpose

Is it fuck, its just that people are fed up with trouble makers and the police wont do anything about it so they have been forced to cough up cash to sort it themselves.

bluefeather · 14-11-2009, 10:29 AM

Hmmm, can't say I'm in the least bit surprised by this at all.

The 'logical' next step in this plan of theirs could well be that if you require an emergency call out from the police, they will automatically send out a private firm (because they're too busy) and then charge you for it.

geordiejp · 14-11-2009, 10:32 AM

All they need to do next is simply give these guys more power to arrest and such like -- next they will have weapons - and now youve got Iraq blackwater patrolling Newcastle and your paying for it ... how ironic.., remember the frog in the slowly boiling water always step by step,

amaralsright · 14-11-2009, 10:39 AM

I watched BBC News 24 this morning and they interviewed the head of one of these firms.

He was asked what happens if in a row of 10 houses 2 of them don't want to pay, would you respond if they were in trouble.. he said no.

He also said he would sent people to talk to them.

This sounds like a good old fashioned protection racket to me.

THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED and the (alledgedly) publically accountable Police need to be resourced properly.

The Police for all their faults are better than a private protection racket.

refusetoconsent · 14-11-2009, 10:46 AM

This will only cause problems. These "dirty harry" fantasists in costume will only cause trouble when they start believing that they actually are the police, and have the same powers. It has already happened with the security guards and parking attendents, bailiffs and council paid thugs also have been given powers that put them above the police as they are not accountable and can do as they please.
The catalyst for a social uprising i think.

grachtengordel · 14-11-2009, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keithm

common purpose

possibly, but i thought they had well infiltrated police already. 'Common purpose ' do appear to promote homosexuality in thier brainwashing programs, tales of senoir police officers going on a 'cp' course then 'turning' homo and leaving thier wife and family.

even if 'cp' are not involved, a 'private security' (hired thugs) company called 'SPARTA' is very concerning. The 'spartan' armies of old were sodomites and pederasts, in other words they buggered little boys. 'spartan' warriors would have boy servents or 'squires' who they would use as sex slaves. See the homo propaganda movie '300'

this is a worrying development as the majority of 'bouncers' , 'security guards' and other 'hired goons' have both violent and homosexual tendancies. Many are demented by steroids and cocaine/speed which they also sell to teenage boys to bribe them for sexual favours. Give them a uniform and handcuffs and you got a recipe for trouble.

keithm · 14-11-2009, 11:42 AM

didn't the americans send over something similar about 25yrs ago,

i think the were called the guardian angels,they were introduced to sort out street crime.

Ian2day · 14-11-2009, 01:13 PM

Its a Psy-Op. Look at the name of the security firm. Sparta, so you have a subliminal trigger of Sparta patrols Britains streets. Combine this with loads of other triggers in the MSM and they're hoping to trigger someone to be either a patsy or to kill themselves after they have stolen everything from them. Its corporate war mixed in with some bullshit games of attack the individual and use them as a battlefiled between good and evil. Different factions all attempting to garner the loyalty of a targetted mark in a long CON.

entrangermercenary · 14-11-2009, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grachtengordel

possibly, but i thought they had well infiltrated police already. 'Common purpose ' do appear to promote homosexuality in thier brainwashing programs, tales of senoir police officers going on a 'cp' course then 'turning' homo and leaving thier wife and family.

even if 'cp' are not involved, a 'private security' (hired thugs) company called 'SPARTA' is very concerning. The 'spartan' armies of old were sodomites and pederasts, in other words they buggered little boys. 'spartan' warriors would have boy servents or 'squires' who they would use as sex slaves. See the homo propaganda movie '300'

this is a worrying development as the majority of 'bouncers' , 'security guards' and other 'hired goons' have both violent and homosexual tendancies. Many are demented by steroids and cocaine/speed which they also sell to teenage boys to bribe them for sexual favours. Give them a uniform and handcuffs and you got a recipe for trouble.

Fucking hell this has got to take the biscuit

How did we get from security firms patrolling streets to Brainwashing, Homos, buggering little boys, homosexual tendancies, steroids and speed.

YOU NEED THERAPY

dantesinferno · 14-11-2009, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by entrangermercenary

Fucking hell this has got to take the biscuit

How did we get from security firms patrolling streets to Brainwashing, Homos, buggering little boys, homosexual tendancies, steroids and speed.

YOU NEED THERAPY

lol funny

but seriously, I saw a copper on the bus yesterday and he had an old style helmet on and it felt like going back in time, meaning that I have already got used to never seeing a bobby on the beat but only see police in cars in soft caps

Ian2day · 14-11-2009, 01:47 PM

The police are too busy pimping and distributing drugs to patrol the streets.

dantesinferno · 14-11-2009, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian2day

The police are too busy pimping and distributing drugs to patrol the streets.

what your average PC is dealing drugs and pimping? you may get the odd one doing shit and some in specialist units like vice and drugs, but most of em, give me break...

Ian2day · 14-11-2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantesinferno

what your average PC is dealing drugs and pimping? you may get the odd one doing shit and some in specialist units like vice and drugs, but most of em, give me break...

The SE is full of OC.

refusetoconsent · 14-11-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grachtengordel

possibly, but i thought they had well infiltrated police already. 'Common purpose ' do appear to promote homosexuality in thier brainwashing programs, tales of senoir police officers going on a 'cp' course then 'turning' homo and leaving thier wife and family.

even if 'cp' are not involved, a 'private security' (hired thugs) company called 'SPARTA' is very concerning. The 'spartan' armies of old were sodomites and pederasts, in other words they buggered little boys. 'spartan' warriors would have boy servents or 'squires' who they would use as sex slaves. See the homo propaganda movie '300'

this is a worrying development as the majority of 'bouncers' , 'security guards' and other 'hired goons' have both violent and homosexual tendancies. Many are demented by steroids and cocaine/speed which they also sell to teenage boys to bribe them for sexual favours. Give them a uniform and handcuffs and you got a recipe for trouble.

?

anxu · 14-11-2009, 02:22 PM

I'd rather have private security with no real power and which do not harass the public and do things like walk up to your door and see you are doing renovation and then report you to child protection services, etc.

Also with private security, you can tell them you will stop paying the "protection" bill if they piss you off. Can't exactly tell a police officer that can you, if you do they might inform tax office that you are not going to pay tax correctly, haha.

However, security can be given "special constable" powers.

And these powers give them more than "citizen arrest".

cpfc12 · 14-11-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geordiejp

All they need to do next is simply give these guys more power to arrest and such like -- next they will have weapons - and now youve got Iraq blackwater patrolling Newcastle and your paying for it ... how ironic.., remember the frog in the slowly boiling water always step by step,

This isn't new, it was done in london long ago in the 90s, around the stonebridge park estate, tough area, taxi cabs and pizza deliveries wouldn't go around there. They hired alot of ex bouncers or ex gangsters themselves.

cpfc12 · 14-11-2009, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grachtengordel

possibly, but i thought they had well infiltrated police already. 'common purpose ' do appear to promote homosexuality in thier brainwashing programs, tales of senoir police officers going on a 'cp' course then 'turning' homo and leaving thier wife and family.

Even if 'cp' are not involved, a 'private security' (hired thugs) company called 'sparta' is very concerning. The 'spartan' armies of old were sodomites and pederasts, in other words they buggered little boys. 'spartan' warriors would have boy servents or 'squires' who they would use as sex slaves. See the homo propaganda movie '300'

this is a worrying development as the majority of 'bouncers' , 'security guards' and other 'hired goons' have both violent and homosexual tendancies. Many are demented by steroids and cocaine/speed which they also sell to teenage boys to bribe them for sexual favours. Give them a uniform and handcuffs and you got a recipe for trouble.

lol !!!

14-11-2009, 10:17 AM	#1
geordiejp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 104	Sparta Private security firm patrol local streets I watched something really worring for UK residents on BBC news, They did a quick headline of this Sparta security firm patrolling in the streets of darlington, providing instant security for residents and helping the locals more quickly than the police -- This is CRAZY the UK is one step closer to a police state, or is it already one ?? I managed to find the article here below http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8359948.stm Private 'police' provoke concern Security guards in Darlington say they are filling a vacuum left by the police The growing number of private security companies policing UK streets is a worrying development, senior police figures say. The Police Federation of England and Wales said there is "huge concern" over their powers and accountability. Former Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair has also said there should be no role for the private sector in Britain's law enforcement. The firms typically charge residents to patrol streets and deter troublemakers. Regular patrols The growth in private security firms taking on policing work comes despite an increase in police numbers. A record 141,252 police officers are available for duty in England and Wales, although there have been reductions in 16 police areas. Private security firms have no powers, although chief constables may award some limited ones such as allowing them to move people on. It's the police who patrol public space and we should be very wary about giving those powers to private security companies Simon Reed, Police Federation BBC correspondent Keith Doyle joined one private security company who began patrolling the streets of Darlington this week. He said residents there pay between £2 and £4 a week to have their homes included in regular patrols and to receive an instant response if they need help. "These guards know they have no powers but they say simply by being here it prevents trouble and that's something local residents agree with and have signed up for," he said. Francis Jones of Sparta Security told our correspondent the patrols provided a visual deterrent to potential criminals. He said: "We are giving a deterrent to them and also raising the confidence of the public who have taken us on board and there are quite a lot of people coming forward, ringing us up, wanting our service." 'Fear of crime' But the vice chairman of the Police Federation, which represents officers, said such firms could cause problems. Simon Reed said: "We have got people who have certain powers, we are going to see them in uniform. Potentially there is confusion there for the public and who are they actually accountable to? "I understand the public's fear of crime but actually it's the police who patrol public space and we should be very wary about giving those powers to private security companies." Sir Ian Blair said more use should be made of community officers and civilians working within the police, otherwise there could be more private police patrols. He said: "I do not see community safety as a commodity to be bought and sold and therefore we shouldn't be having the private sector in policing. "Unless we get this right, we will end up with private security coming in and they will work for the rich and the poor will go without."

14-11-2009, 10:29 AM	#5
bluefeather Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 537	Hmmm, can't say I'm in the least bit surprised by this at all. The 'logical' next step in this plan of theirs could well be that if you require an emergency call out from the police, they will automatically send out a private firm (because they're too busy) and then charge you for it. __________________ "The problem is not changing people's consciousnesses--or what's in their heads--but the political, economic, institutional regime of the production of truth" (Michel Foucault)

14-11-2009, 10:39 AM	#7
amaralsright Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Varies in quest for more Sooty Posts: 12,319	I watched BBC News 24 this morning and they interviewed the head of one of these firms. He was asked what happens if in a row of 10 houses 2 of them don't want to pay, would you respond if they were in trouble.. he said no. He also said he would sent people to talk to them. This sounds like a good old fashioned protection racket to me. THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED and the (alledgedly) publically accountable Police need to be resourced properly. The Police for all their faults are better than a private protection racket. Last edited by amaralsright; 14-11-2009 at 10:39 AM.

14-11-2009, 10:46 AM	#8
refusetoconsent Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 753	This will only cause problems. These "dirty harry" fantasists in costume will only cause trouble when they start believing that they actually are the police, and have the same powers. It has already happened with the security guards and parking attendents, bailiffs and council paid thugs also have been given powers that put them above the police as they are not accountable and can do as they please. The catalyst for a social uprising i think. Last edited by refusetoconsent; 14-11-2009 at 10:46 AM.

14-11-2009, 10:24 AM	#2
keithm Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: bournemouth Posts: 1,296	common purpose

14-11-2009, 10:27 AM	#3
marpat Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,616	I read that some residents are hiring security guards in certain areas becase the lack of police is causing too many problems. The real problem is that such guards only have the same powers of arrest as everybody else does so if they fuck it up it can lead to real problems

14-11-2009, 10:32 AM	#6
geordiejp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 104	All they need to do next is simply give these guys more power to arrest and such like -- next they will have weapons - and now youve got Iraq blackwater patrolling Newcastle and your paying for it ... how ironic.., remember the frog in the slowly boiling water always step by step,

14-11-2009, 11:42 AM	#10
keithm Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: bournemouth Posts: 1,296	didn't the americans send over something similar about 25yrs ago, i think the were called the guardian angels,they were introduced to sort out street crime.

14-11-2009, 01:13 PM	#11
Ian2day Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Macrocosm Posts: 7,176	Its a Psy-Op. Look at the name of the security firm. Sparta, so you have a subliminal trigger of Sparta patrols Britains streets. Combine this with loads of other triggers in the MSM and they're hoping to trigger someone to be either a patsy or to kill themselves after they have stolen everything from them. Its corporate war mixed in with some bullshit games of attack the individual and use them as a battlefiled between good and evil. Different factions all attempting to garner the loyalty of a targetted mark in a long CON.

14-11-2009, 01:47 PM	#14
Ian2day Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Macrocosm Posts: 7,176	The police are too busy pimping and distributing drugs to patrol the streets.

14-11-2009, 02:22 PM	#18
anxu Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 232	I'd rather have private security with no real power and which do not harass the public and do things like walk up to your door and see you are doing renovation and then report you to child protection services, etc. Also with private security, you can tell them you will stop paying the "protection" bill if they piss you off. Can't exactly tell a police officer that can you, if you do they might inform tax office that you are not going to pay tax correctly, haha. However, security can be given "special constable" powers. And these powers give them more than "citizen arrest".