The Vatican joins the search for alien life

[eternal_spirit]

Do you think Jesus was an alien?

[nicolaj]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

Do you think Jesus was an alien?

I believe Jesus was God in the flesh and became human, to dwell amongst man. So He is our Creator including those fallen angels. He tells us he is not of this world...and neither Christians are of this world.

What people today call aliens, those who work through and with the world powers of this world including the vatican are the fallen angels who fell with Satan onto earth. They are earth bound.

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by dlb2007

i dont know how this is important. Life on other planets would not disprove the existance of god.

It would undermine the key Catholic doctrine of original sin though.

[snapdragon]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

It would undermine the key Catholic doctrine of original sin though.

I don't think it would, quite the contrary

Original sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Original sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Original sin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It all ties in perfectly.

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by snapdragon

I don't think it would, quite the contrary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin
It all ties in perfectly.

Er.. I don't think so. The doctrine of original sin and the redempton of man through Christ's sacrifice gets into murky waters.

Adam's sin stained all men (and women) and all men die because of it. Death was introduced into creation BECAUSE of Adam's sin.

Christ died to save man (and the whole of creation) from Adams original sin.

How do the aliens get saved and why do they need saving?

It's a tricky one.

[iwant_tobreak_free]

my god! Jesus so obviously never existed. why does it matter what the Vatican thinks. I hope when Aliens finally arrive it isn't thru bluebeam. they're real and they HATE the NWO!

ah well we can all dream

btw, if anyone asks why its so obvious Jesus never existed; he represents the sun, check out Jordan Maxwell and David Icke's interpretation

[11indigo11]

See what happens when people make a story out of history...
Gets way to confusing... and that's the way it's suppose to be to control the masses.

The Judeo-Christian Bible tells a wonderful story.
It is, in fact, often referred to as "The Greatest Story Ever Told".
And so it is! You are now about to find out why!

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/article...ogy/index.html

http://astro-theology.net/astrotheology1.html

[passing]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

How do the aliens get saved and why do they need saving?

It's a tricky one.

Any truth contained in the Adam&Eve and Jesus stories pertains to this planet. If there's life on other planets, it'll have its own histories and relation to god(s), if there is such thing.

Uh, I guess.

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by passing

Any truth contained in the Adam&Eve and Jesus stories pertains to this planet. If there's life on other planets, it'll have its own histories and relation to god(s), if there is such thing.

Uh, I guess.

Hmmm.... the Catholic Church will have a hard time "reinterpreting" their doctrines in a way where what they had previously explained as the whole of creation is actually a small part of creation and that Adams sin rather than affecting the whole of creation only affected a small part.

So... if aliens die.. why do they die?

Death in creation is because of Adam's sin.

Still.. I'm sure there are some top theologians working on the excuses as we speak.

The Catholic Church has turned so many of it's other doctrines on it's head in recent years I'm sure they won't have much trouble with this one.

[passing]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

So... if aliens die.. why do they die?

Much as I relish the idea of Christian dogma (and others) melting under the bright light of proven extraterrestrial life, I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself, mate!

Let's smash that bridge when we come to it!

[amaralsright]

I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself, mate!

No, I'm repeating years old debates.

None of this is new.

The argument about discovering aliens and the doctrine original sin has been kicked around by Catholic theologians for decades.

It cuts a wedge right through the doctrine.

Not that it matters to the Catholic Church these days, they don't teach their followers anything anymore.

[passing]

But it's an interesting idea - how much 'knowledge' will earthly religions have to drop if ETs become accepted fact?

I am not a religious person, I've been agnostic for ages, so I'm not pushing this but it's an interesting alternative to the 'world is everything' idea: Gurdjieff talked about 'Rays of Creation' (shooting out from a central source) with our planet almost at the end of one of these rays.

Make of that what you will!

[passing]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

No, I'm repeating years old debates.

None of this is new.

The argument about discovering aliens and the doctrine original sin has been kicked around by Catholic theologians for decades.

It cuts a wedge right through the doctrine.

Not that it matters to the Catholic Church these days, they don't teach their followers anything anymore.

Sorry, posts getting out of order...

I just meant that you shouldn't ask an "if then why" question. How can we possibly discuss why aliens die when we don't know whether they die or not because we don't know that there are any aliens?!?!?

Sorry, not trying to piss you off...

[white rabbit]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

Er.. I don't think so. The doctrine of original sin and the redempton of man through Christ's sacrifice gets into murky waters.

Adam's sin stained all men (and women) and all men die because of it. Death was introduced into creation BECAUSE of Adam's sin.

Christ died to save man (and the whole of creation) from Adams original sin.

How do the aliens get saved and why do they need saving?

It's a tricky one.

they are not humans, that quote applies for the earth and humans, the quote considers the creation as the earth because the perspective of the person that wrote that, you cant take it literally

for example, animals have nothing to do with the original sin and there are animals in heaven and was described in bible, the same with aliens, depends what they did, race, love in their heart and the most important is the love of God, you go to heaven or reincarnate or go to another, world, universe, etc

we are a favored race but not the tip of the iceberg, angels are far superior to us for example

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by white rabbit

they are not humans, that quote applies for the earth and humans, the quote considers the creation as the earth because the perspective of the person that wrote that, you cant take it literally

You really don't understand the Catholic doctrine of original sin at all.

"Because of man, creation is now subject 'to its bondage to decay'."

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p1s2c1p7.htm

for example, animals have nothing to do with the original sin

But they decay because of it.

and there are animals in heaven and was described in bible, the same with aliens, depends what they did, race, love in their heart and the most important is the love of God, you go to heaven or reincarnate or go to another, world, universe, etc

You made this up.

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by passing

Sorry, posts getting out of order...

I just meant that you shouldn't ask an "if then why" question. How can we possibly discuss why aliens die when we don't know whether they die or not because we don't know that there are any aliens?!?!?

Sorry, not trying to piss you off...

The discovery of aliens (if it ever happens) will mean that the Catholic Church is an openly busted flush (it's already a busted flush to people who know anything about their belief system).

[jamesc]

Originally Posted by 11indigo11

See what happens when people make a story out of history...
Gets way to confusing... and that's the way it's suppose to be to control the masses.

The Judeo-Christian Bible tells a wonderful story.
It is, in fact, often referred to as "The Greatest Story Ever Told".
And so it is! You are now about to find out why!

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/article...ogy/index.html

http://astro-theology.net/astrotheology1.html

Correct sir, Babylon churches in today's reality of controlled masses through the same old dogmas of made up manipulated fabrications of ancient religions who basically regurgitate the same old control methods to ensnare the ignorant masses into spiritual slavery.

[white rabbit]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

You really don't understand the Catholic doctrine of original sin at all.

"Because of man, creation is now subject 'to its bondage to decay'."

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...m/p1s2c1p7.htm

yes we are hurting the world

But they decay because of it.

of the world yes and their life here too

You made this up.

I remeber a passage of the bible at church about a person who was there and speaks about animals in heaven dont remember where I think in OT, sorry for not being accurate

and also a moral teacher(when I was at school) and some theologians I know and a teacher of philosophy(when I was at school) say things about how we are a favored race and that probably there are other races out there and how other creatures like angels are far superior to us

a catholic(universal) considers all forms of religious doctrine as valid, God speaks to people in many ways

catholic church considers life in other planets since I remember, the news here is that it joins the search

[texdallas]

Originally Posted by dlb2007

i dont know how this is important. Life on other planets would not disprove the existance of god.

Shhh! Nobody is interested in your common sense

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by white rabbit

a catholic(universal) considers all forms of cult as diferent ways in what God speaks to people

You really have no idea about the Catholic Church.

Until very recently (the second Vatican Council in the 1960's) the Church has claimed to be the sole source of salvation for creation (ALL of it), Outside the Catholic Church there is no truth or salvation. Different cults were the way to hell and Catholics were absolutely forbidden to have anything to do with them.

Of course all that changed in the 60's when they had to adapt or die and they "opened the windows".

Of course theologians will be working on ways around the alien problem. To even admit they are searching for aliens id an admission that they are not fully informed on God's plan.