help! how do you get your trapped spirit back?

[kennystetson]

Hi, i need some advice from people who know a little about this kind of stuff.
I won't give you the whole back story to this because it is very long and off topic but a good friend of mine is very psychic and has the ability to speak to her/ other peoples souls, she can see her spirit and do a whole lot more.

Recently she has been acting very differently than she usually does and she also had severe headaches a few weeks ago. She didn't think anything of it at first but realized a couple of days ago that she had someone else's spirit inside her instead of her own when she tried to look for it. This spirit refused to talk to her, she was certain that it wasn't hers though because it felt completely different. The spirit has been trying to take over her free will ( for reasons again that are off topic) but failed and finally decided to leave her body today.
This is good but we need to figure out how to get her own spirit back, it is more than likely that her spirit is being trapped and that it has been captured, you would understand why if you had the back story.

Does anyone here know if it is possible to get her spirit back or will she only be able to do this when it is released?

thanks,

[lotus flower]

Her 'spirit' can't be stolen or taken even with her permission. If her spirit was detached from her and her silver cord was severed, then her body would be dead. Has she tried to communicate with spirits in the astral? This is the easiest way to contact them. Avoid alcohol and overeating if you want to do this.

[enga]

Originally Posted by lotus flower

Her 'spirit' can't be stolen or taken even with her permission. If her spirit was detached from her and her silver cord was severed, then her body would be dead. Has she tried to communicate with spirits in the astral? This is the easiest way to contact them. Avoid alcohol and overeating if you want to do this.

I agree, she may have had a possession type scenario or dimensional entity/demon trying to invade her/use her body but her own spirit is still there. I think she should fast at least one full day as they hate that and if she is a believer to ask the God of all creation to help her. Tell her to keep her thoughts positive and be mindful of them trying to make her think bad thoughts.

[newworldengineer]

Originally Posted by kennystetson

Hi, i need some advice from people who know a little about this kind of stuff.
I won't give you the whole back story to this because it is very long and off topic but a good friend of mine is very psychic and has the ability to speak to her/ other peoples souls, she can see her spirit and do a whole lot more.

Recently she has been acting very differently than she usually does and she also had severe headaches a few weeks ago. She didn't think anything of it at first but realized a couple of days ago that she had someone else's spirit inside her instead of her own when she tried to look for it. This spirit refused to talk to her, she was certain that it wasn't hers though because it felt completely different. The spirit has been trying to take over her free will ( for reasons again that are off topic) but failed and finally decided to leave her body today.
This is good but we need to figure out how to get her own spirit back, it is more than likely that her spirit is being trapped and that it has been captured, you would understand why if you had the back story.

Does anyone here know if it is possible to get her spirit back or will she only be able to do this when it is released?

thanks,

how do you mean she's talking to her spirit? So she was plain talking to her self? anyone can do that cos you can ONLY be yourself connected to everything else, I don't think you can be half of something else. We are spiritual beings having a human experience, so how can you look within yourself and say there's someone else in their? That's impossible. Your either yourself or someone else or a tree.. etc...

but saying that, we do have an astral body version of ourselves that I guess is infusing our body when we navigate this physical plane via le silver cord that lotus flower mentioned. Did she say she felt another person in her body? like trying to take it over? If so it may not be her anymore and she might be trapped in some hellish realm in the inner worlds...

Are they like spirits that are attatched to her? like parasitic leech like entities that have some how got a hook on her body? I'm just trying to get me head around this.

The film MirrorMask depicts these realms really well in accordance with the multi-dimensional aspects of the self.

"... realized a couple of days ago that she had someone else's spirit inside her instead of her own when she tried to look for it"

her trying to look for her own spirit is where her logic is flawed, when what she's TRYING to look for is the very thing that she already is, lost in the search, might be how she got whisked away into a spiritual entrapment of sorts. your point of observation is your soul/spirit is it not? the ol' commander in the command center.

[kennystetson]

She has always been able to talk to her soul and her spirit. Yes they are apart of her but she can still go within herself and speak to them, she can do it naturally but anyone can given enough practice. I know your soul can leave your body without your physical body dying because she has managed to do it before but I have no idea if it is possible for a spirit to do so and neither does she.
One day she had severe headaches all day and didn't think anything of it, a few days went by and she started not acting like herself and as she is used to being attacked I suggested she look within and check everything was fine with her spirit and soul. Her soul was fine but she wouldn't get any answer from whoevers spirit had taken its place. She said it was definitely not hers though because it felt completely different. She then tried to get it to leave just by talking to it and hoping it would listen, she also showed it visions she had had of her future and how she could help people here and I think that's when it decided to leave.
I didn't know it is impossible for your spirit to leave your body without physically dying?
the only reason she thought it might be trapped somewhere else than her body is that she can't feel her spirit anywhere in her, she has tried looking for it but no luck.

She used to get visions of the future whenever she was going to be in danger so that she could change things before they happened but since her spirit has gone she hasnt been able to do this, also she has not been able to speak to her spirit guide since either. It's like the fact that her spirit is lost/trapped has stopped her from being able to use her powers.

This is not random though, she is constantly under attack by things like that but this time she just hasn't been able to do anything about it. I believe the spirit that was in her was used by a different force that ordered it/controlled it.

Can someone here confirm that it is without any possible doubt impossible for a spirit to leave the physical body without the body dying? that would be a start. Any additional input would also be more than welcome.
Cheers

[kennystetson]

Originally Posted by lotus flower

Has she tried to communicate with spirits in the astral? This is the easiest way to contact them.

No because she is not able to do that since she has lost her spirit for some reason

Originally Posted by enga

I think she should fast at least one full day as they hate that

Sorry i didnt quite undertand that

Originally Posted by newworldengineer

Are they like spirits that are attatched to her? like parasitic leech like entities that have some how got a hook on her body?

No, it was a single spirit (which has now left) that was where her own spirit was meant to be/where she used to find it. I believe it could have just been a normal persons spirit, who had died , that they managed to get to do that to her, it wasnt a 'bad' spirit (I always get told off for using the words 'good and 'bad but i dont know what else to call it), bad spirits can't stay within her because she is to 'good' or pure or whatever u want to call it. I know this because they've tried before and couldn't take the vibration she let off.

Originally Posted by newworldengineer

your point of observation is your soul/spirit is it not?

yes your spirit and your soul are apart of you, so is your spiritual heart. But your point of observation does not come from your soul or your spirit, it comes from you as a whole. Your soul and spirit can heavily (or not so heavily depending on the person) influence your point of observation, but they are all different in their own respect. It is combined as a whole that they make who YOU are but they all have their own specific job.
This is why she (and anyone else) can speak to her soul and it will answer. yes technically she is speaking to herself but not in the way you think, she can have a conversation and disagree with her own soul for example, her soul can tell her one thing is right and she can believe an other is right. She is speaking to herself but she's not imagining the answers, that would be ridiculous. sometimes people have a hard time deciding wether to follow their heart or their mind for example, its different than disagreeing with your soul but its the same principle.

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by lotus flower

Her 'spirit' can't be stolen or taken even with her permission. If her spirit was detached from her and her silver cord was severed, then her body would be dead. Has she tried to communicate with spirits in the astral? This is the easiest way to contact them. Avoid alcohol and overeating if you want to do this.

Not necessarily true, lotus flower. One’s soul / spirit can be fragmented and lost aspects or shards can be stolen. Many healers work with soul retrieval, which in essence requires the healer to undertake a journey to retrieve the fragmented shards and restore them to the whole.

Many times soul fragmentation occurs as an effect of great stresses and often such is associated with traumatic events. The healer will more often than not work with a power animal to retrieve stolen aspects of the soul, where the shard is kept imprisoned: there are many reasons why this occurs.

But you are right, in essence, when the soul departs the body and the chord cut, then the physical would die. But I think we are dealing with a severe soul loss fragmentation rather than an entire transition of soul via theft or loss.

It sounds, on the one hand that this person is quite spiritually adept and yet on the other hand such an adept individual would not find themselves in this situation.

I am guided to consider the intricacies of this lady’s understanding and would like to hear of the initial conceptions of what has occurred. Is she a healer, a shaman? Does she often have out of body experiences?

The OP may feel, as has been noted, that such aspects are off topic, and yet I’d say that more background is very much on topic and will help toward finding a solution to this problem.

Is the person you refer to, kennystetson, a close friend, a relative, a companion? How well do you know her?

I sense an underlying factor, and I can’t fully say what it is, but I have a feeling that there is something that does not quite equate fully.

This is not random though, she is constantly under attack by things like that but this time she just hasn't been able to do anything about it. I believe the spirit that was in her was used by a different force that ordered it/controlled it.

Then I would suggest that your friend stops putting herself in a position where she is under attack. By fighting and warring she is giving of her energy. To fight an energetic being, one needs to fight with energy. When we eat, we eat physical food, because we are beings with a physicality. It is the same with energetic beings, they feed on energy, and the more we expound in fighting with them the stronger they become.

To answer you last question:

Can someone here confirm that it is without any possible doubt impossible for a spirit to leave the physical body without the body dying?

Yes, the spirit can leave the physical body, without the body dying. However there will be a cord joining the spirit and the physical, one can often trace such cords when the soul is wandering. If the cord is cut or severed then the physical form will transit through vibrations, i.e. it will die. Aspects or shards of the spirit can be lost or stolen, as I have said previously. Such will be evident with certain characteristics within the physical, such as loss of health, appetite, energy, will, humour etc. It is very possible that during one of the energetic attacks a shard of soul was stolen / lost. It is relatively easy for a skilled healer to find and restore that shard.

[kennystetson]

Originally Posted by merlincove

But I think we are dealing with a severe soul loss fragmentation rather than an entire transition of soul via theft or loss.

It most definitely is not to do with her soul, she knows what it is like for her soul to split as it has happened to her before. As I said her she can speak to her soul whenever she feels like it and there is nothing wrong with it.

Originally Posted by merlincove

It sounds, on the one hand that this person is quite spiritually adept and yet on the other hand such an adept individual would not find themselves in this situation.

Yes she can do a lot that most people can't, though this is natural for her, she did not have to learn how to do these things. She is able to do them because of her blood which is half human and half something else.
The only person who taught her how to understand what she could do was her father, as he could do the things she can to.

[QUOTE=merlincove;1058367026I am guided to consider the intricacies of this lady’s understanding and would like to hear of the initial conceptions of what has occurred. Is she a healer, a shaman? Does she often have out of body experiences?

The OP may feel, as has been noted, that such aspects are off topic, and yet I’d say that more background is very much on topic and will help toward finding a solution to this problem.[/QUOTE]

The reason I didn't want to give the background info is because it is a very long story and I'm afraid there are people that will just not believe any of it which in return will stop them from helping as they will think it is a joke.
All the background information on this girl is in this thread I wrote a couple months back, good luck though for those who can be bothered to read through it all.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=kennystetson

Originally Posted by merlincove

Is the person you refer to, kennystetson, a close friend, a relative, a companion? How well do you know her?

She is my ex girlfriend but we are still very close.

Originally Posted by merlincove

Then I would suggest that your friend stops putting herself in a position where she is under attack.

She does not try and put herself in that position, she has been under attack in the physical world mainly, by reptilians . this is the first time that they have actually managed to attack her from the inside though.

Originally Posted by merlincove

Yes, the spirit can leave the physical body, without the body dying. However there will be a cord joining the spirit and the physical, one can often trace such cords when the soul is wandering. If the cord is cut or severed then the physical form will transit through vibrations, i.e. it will die.

thanks for that info

Originally Posted by merlincove

Aspects or shards of the spirit can be lost or stolen, as I have said previously. Such will be evident with certain characteristics within the physical, such as loss of health, appetite, energy, will, humour etc. It is very possible that during one of the energetic attacks a shard of soul was stolen / lost. It is relatively easy for a skilled healer to find and restore that shard.

very interesting, she changed dramatically when the other spirit was still inside her. Now that it has gone though she is more like herself, though not fully. Are there healers that could find her spirit for her? Your sure that you are not mixing spirit and soul together? they are not the same thing...

[xpleet]

Originally Posted by lotus flower

Her 'spirit' can't be stolen or taken even with her permission. If her spirit was detached from her and her silver cord was severed, then her body would be dead. Has she tried to communicate with spirits in the astral? This is the easiest way to contact them. Avoid alcohol and overeating if you want to do this.

This is simply not true.


Consciousness swapping is a real, ongoing issue and it is happening to people especially when they're under anaesthetics like in operations etc. where the original soul is out and gone and the body has been snatched by another being.

After a new consciousness has entered the body and the old one has departed, it usually takes a while for the new one to realize that this has happened and then the person will express as a new person and never be the same again.

Souls can also be made 'loose' by various drugs which can not only bring about posession or a higher form of it - schizophrenia (two consciousnesses in one body) but also, I believe, simply being kicked out.

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by kennystetson

very interesting, she changed dramatically when the other spirit was still inside her. Now that it has gone though she is more like herself, though not fully.

Are there healers that could find her spirit for her?

Your sure that you are not mixing spirit and soul together? they are not the same thing...

kennystetson, thanks for your response, it has helped me see things a little more clearly.

Please define for me your understanding of soul and spirit and why are they different things

I feel that your friend may be communicating with her higher self, or at the very least tapping into her guide base. i also think we are talking at crossed purposes too, and that we are getting tied up in the concepts of our own understandings here. My understanding is that soul and spirit are aspects the same thing. This is ok: if that is not your understanding

[newworldengineer]

yeah going on from what Merlin cove said, it kinda sounds like your spirit/higherself is this ghostly doppleganger version of self floating around in the ether waiting to be contacted.

your body is a projection from your spirit self in a sense, so what happens at that level of yourself (bio-electrical) manifests in your body (bio-chemical). Something could go missing, like a shard of your soul... and I guess soul means the quality of your own unique celestial identity (to coin a Turi term) which you can access the full potential of by raising your vibrations to that of the higherself through meditation and other divination techniques ....

and higher self is I believe that level of you more connected to the source of everything and to your own subtle intuitive feelings, not to mention it maybe changing your biophysiology making it easier for you to have out of body experiences, divine guidance and psychic abilities.

That's kind of my understanding of the spirit and soul and body in this 3d realm up to now at least :-)

[marpat]

Originally Posted by kennystetson

Hi, i need some advice from people who know a little about this kind of stuff.
I won't give you the whole back story to this because it is very long and off topic but a good friend of mine is very psychic and has the ability to speak to her/ other peoples souls, she can see her spirit and do a whole lot more.

Recently she has been acting very differently than she usually does and she also had severe headaches a few weeks ago. She didn't think anything of it at first but realized a couple of days ago that she had someone else's spirit inside her instead of her own when she tried to look for it. This spirit refused to talk to her, she was certain that it wasn't hers though because it felt completely different. The spirit has been trying to take over her free will ( for reasons again that are off topic) but failed and finally decided to leave her body today.
This is good but we need to figure out how to get her own spirit back, it is more than likely that her spirit is being trapped and that it has been captured, you would understand why if you had the back story.

Does anyone here know if it is possible to get her spirit back or will she only be able to do this when it is released?

thanks,

Her spirit went missing? considering that a persons spirit is supposed to be their source of psychic powers then I cant see how she can be psychically aware of one spirit if hers has gone. Not only that but in truth there is no actual seperation of body and spirit, such being an illusion of the dualistic ego so to claim that it has somehow gone somewhere is just not right.

[kennystetson]

Originally Posted by merlincove

kennystetson, thanks for your response, it has helped me see things a little more clearly.

Please define for me your understanding of soul and spirit and why are they different things

I feel that your friend may be communicating with her higher self, or at the very least tapping into her guide base. i also think we are talking at crossed purposes too, and that we are getting tied up in the concepts of our own understandings here. My understanding is that soul and spirit are aspects the same thing. This is ok: if that is not your understanding

The understanding I have on souls and spirits comes directly from people who are able to tap in to that part of themselves naturally. So this is why it may differ from certain mainstream notions people have of them because my friend had no teacher to explain it all to her, she figured out what she could by herself by asking her soul, spirit and spirit guide questions. Also there are so many things that I do not understand because I simply do not have the knowledge some of you guys might have on how it all works, so just because she can do these things doesn't mean she knows why she can do them or exactly what is happening.
My understanding on the difference between soul and spirit is quite limited.

From what I've learnt from her, the spirit is the part of you is the doorway that helps you connect with the spiritual world, without it you would not be able to speak/connect to your spirit guide for example. Both the spirit and the soul contribute to the kind of person you will be, but this depends on the person. Some people can loose their soul for example and it won't effect them that much where as someone who relies heavily on their soul will be a completely different person if they lost it.
The soul can split itself and leave your body without you dying. The soul is continuously evolving, life after life from body to body (or not if it chooses not to). I believe (but I could be wrong I'd have to ask my friend, correct me if I'm wrong) that at each reincarnation the soul joins with a new spirit and when you die they merge and go through the process again. So the soul carries on evolving, not the spirit. But the spirit still contributes to your souls evolution.
It's also worth mentioning the spiritual heart which also forms a major part in who we are. It holds our love, it can break and fix its self over time. If it breaks to many times it can shatter and will not be able to fix itself anymore. What impresses me the most about it is that it seems to work independently to the rest of us in the way that we have no choice in who we fall in love with, and it can be quite stubborn. It can break over love but will walk right back in to the same situation over and over, there is nothing you/your soul/your spirit can do to influence it.

[kennystetson]

Originally Posted by marpat

Her spirit went missing? considering that a persons spirit is supposed to be their source of psychic powers then I cant see how she can be psychically aware of one spirit if hers has gone. Not only that but in truth there is no actual seperation of body and spirit, such being an illusion of the dualistic ego so to claim that it has somehow gone somewhere is just not right.

Yes she can still go within herself without her spirit, the spirit helps you connect with the outside (spirit guide, other spirits, visions...), she is not able to this anymore though she can still speak to her soul and realize that her spirit is not where it is meant to be because she is connecting within herself, not with the outside, you do not need a spirit to do this.
It is worth mentioning that she does all this naturally and always has, she hasn't had to practice any of it or figure any of it out before being able to do it. She is very much in control of what goes on inside her, her spirit couldn't have accidently gotten lost because she has always been connected and 'awake' , this simply wouldn't happen because she is in control of her true self.

[kennystetson]

Originally Posted by marpat

Not only that but in truth there is no actual seperation of body and spirit, such being an illusion of the dualistic ego so to claim that it has somehow gone somewhere is just not right.

Yes it may be an illusion, but there is still something wrong regardless of wether it is gone, lost, hidden, trapped... it is not where it is meant to be

[childofthetao]

Perform the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram. Memorize the HEBREW words for a more effective ritual, not the English.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[azureangel]

I'm just absorbing all this. Assuming this is your ex-gf you mentioned in earlier posts. How are YOU doing? I agree that in your place, I'd encourage my friend to stop engaging with any battles with other beings, yes I think there's a lot of spirit ripping-off going on. I learned in psychic kindergarten that grounding and staying in our physical bodies is the best way to stay safe and manifest as spirits in human bodies. Good luck with this and will be reading the thread to see how you're faring. Love, angel

[kennystetson]

Originally Posted by childofthetao

Perform the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram. Memorize the HEBREW words for a more effective ritual, not the English.

Peace
Child of the Tao

Sorry I've been trying to find out more about this but I can only seem to find out how to do the actual ritual, but not its purpose. Could you tell me why you think this would help? what does it do?

Originally Posted by azureangel

I'm just absorbing all this. Assuming this is your ex-gf you mentioned in earlier posts. How are YOU doing? I agree that in your place, I'd encourage my friend to stop engaging with any battles with other beings, yes I think there's a lot of spirit ripping-off going on. I learned in psychic kindergarten that grounding and staying in our physical bodies is the best way to stay safe and manifest as spirits in human bodies. Good luck with this and will be reading the thread to see how you're faring. Love, angel

Yes it is the same ex gf I mentioned before.
I am ok, though my soul can not find my spirit either. I'm not sure if the same has been done to me or if it is something different, my soul can feel my spirits presence but it can't find it. I do believe though that whoever/whatever is responsible for her not being able to find her spirit is responsible for me not being able to find mine.
The reason being they want to break us so that we never get access to our true potential.
I didn't mention not being able to find my own spirit so as not to confuse the post and it is more important for her to get her spirit back at this point in time than it is for me because she is already fully awake. I still have a long way to go before being able do what she can.
She has not been in any battles with any other beings because they can not get to her themselves because of her vibration. That is why they have to send other people/spirits to do the job for them. The spirit that was inside her did not feel evil, I think that's how she managed to get it to leave (empathy?). As I said, an evil spirit (or low vibration spirit) would not be able to stay inside her because of her vibration.
thnks for the love

[childofthetao]

Originally Posted by kennystetson

Sorry I've been trying to find out more about this but I can only seem to find out how to do the actual ritual, but not its purpose. Could you tell me why you think this would help? what does it do?

I read it in Robert Bruces Practical Psychic Self Defence (an excellent book). The ritual does many things and is very powerful. It will banish any spirit around you that doesn't belong there. It also strengthens your aura making you a much more difficult target for those nasty negs. Negs is Robert Bruces term for negative entities.

Despite how it may seem, ones spirit can not be taken away, one can however be overshadowed by a neg, and will give the impression that ones self/soul is being lost.

You should go to youtube to listen to the words so you can pronounce them properly. But learn from a site that describes it in text.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[neila]

I realise a soul can detatch from the body, I have had many OBE's ,( a couple last night as it goes.) But I thought someones spirit was their own personality and ways of thinking. When your are around someone alot you can pick up their traits and vica versa. So maybe that could be what has happened? Has she been in the company of someone alot more than she usually would? Maybe moved location? ( I have just seen the part where you say you have lost yours too. Maybe you have each others)
Other than that it could be a case of a neg energy around her which will fade eventually.