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cheers for the link titurel...good info!
just found this, if he existed he's claimed to be a very busy fella lol GezerSolomon.jpg "King Solomon loved, in addition to the daughter of Pharaoh, many foreign woman, Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian and Hittite women, from the nations concerning which the Lord had warned the Israelites. "You must not cohabit with them, nor they with you, for they will certainly turn your hearts to their gods". Solomon held fast to them in love. He had 700 official wives and 300 concubines...." The Holy Bible 1 Kings 11:1-3 http://www.kingsolomonsgate.com/ |
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King Solomon lost favour with God for allowing himself to fall under the guiles and deceptions of witchcraft. Even the elect, such as wise King Solomon, can be deceived, as is recorded:
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That was very interesting and I have a question or two:
"Satanists and occultists use the pentagram to call upon demons--to practice white magic and black magic." What is the difference between 'Satanists and occultists' and 'white magic and black magic'? "The source of its rituals and symbols is from paganism and witchcraft" Whats a good pagan/witchcraft source to find references to these rituals and symbols? "The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely." Are any reasons for this put forward by anyone? "Enoch is also the central figure around which a great deal of Masonic legend is centered, as he is said to have constructed the two pillars of Masonic lore to preserve the antediluvian high knowledge of Atlantis inside them" "as well as the meaning of Boaz, the left-hand pillar in the Porchway of Solomon's Temple" Could you explain any connection between these two extracts concerning Pillars? I encourage you to post more about freemasonry and Mystery School history. |
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Here's a good definition of black magick that's also a very interesting read:
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Up until the time of Samuel, the Israelites had no king. However, they looked around at neighbouring nations and became envious that these other nations had kings, so because most of them were typical humans, they demanded from God that they should have a king also. After the plea for a king, God warned the Israelites that if they elected to have a king rule over them, he would send their sons off to wars, their daughters would become servants and they would be taxed. Even upon hearing this sound advice from God, the Israelites still insisted on having a king, so a king they got and all the things that God warned about came to pass... what a surprise! God's Warning against Electing to have Kings and Rulers Quote:
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Behind both "The Law" and the Royal Family was the priest-hood that upheld and enforced "The Law" (Their Law), which provides them with all power. Nothing has changed even until today. Extended Family members of the original blood-line stemming from the founder of the priest-hood became the Pharaohs and their network of aristocrats. With the high-priesthood guiding Pharaoh and enforcing "The Law" of Pharaoh (Seen as God), the black-magic image crafting priest-hood had immense power right up to our current leaders of Britain, & America amongst other European nations. Family members of the illumined blood-line priesthood would marry into the families of other tribes to continue consolidating all power for the Egyptian High Priesthood. This inter-marrying generally still occurs today.
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The first very clever Egyptian High Priest crafted numerous fantasy Images (constructs) that enchanted the communities of Ancient Egypt and it has always been through the crafting of their very clever black-magic images that maintained their higher standing (power & control) over the people.
The evolution of their black-magic craft evolved as they sought more power and control over the known lands and peoples of the world. To impress new tribes to join Egypt's ever-expanding empire Pharaoh was glorified as an all mighty powerful God. Through war or through treaties Egypt's expanding empire gradually spread around the globe. As Pharaoh's power grew so did the Images (constructs) to convey this thought. They started building smaller temples & palaces that gradually evolved across the ages into massive Pyramids and Sphinxes etc. For thousands of years money (fiat - credit creation/debt-finance - usury) did not exist in Egypt. Near and far tribes continued bartering/trading their goods and services between each other, produced by their labour. A % of their goods and services were given to Pharaoh which benefited the high priest-hood. Metals, jewels, silks and spices etc were being traded or stolen by war and conquest. As it has always been and up to around the 17th/18th centuries, 99.99% of the population worked the lands, growing food or tendered to their flocks of goats, sheep or cattle etc. They bartered/traded their crops, flocks and wares at markets etc. The serfs/commoners were also dragged of to war and were generally rewarded with victory or they died or ended up as slaves to the victors. |
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It was not until the times of Babylon that the idea of money (fiat, credit creation/debt finance) was crafted. Money/usury was knocked on the head by the people who rose up and destroyed this system, becoming the altered Bible folk-lore of Jesus turning the tables of the money changers and the Christian Religion years later. Babylon was Egypt under the guise of a different religious-occultic-esoteric sects. The high priest hood evolved primarily three major religious sects which worshiped the moon, the sun and saturn but there were many others as well. As part of their divide and rule/order out of chaos, the high priesthood continued to adapt to be sure they always had power and control over the people. They did this by creating new images (constructs) all the time, they crafted names like Atlantis, Sumeria, Phoenicia, Minoa, Babylon, Canaan, the 13 tribes of Israel (not 12), amongst many other names for nations. New Languages were crafted on Par with their inventions of these new nations/civilisations. By constant adaptations the high priest hood unfolded an elaborate and very long recording of their history. A history that is written in language code so that those who are initiated to the codes can decipher, while the other 99.99% of the population were fed lies.
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Prior to 99.99% of the population being forced to learn the Fantasy English language, all serfs/commoners were renters. They owned nothing and with their blood, sweat & tears they worked to pay their masters either with a % of their crops or with other trades, services or wares. This enabled them to have land and a roof over their heads. The serfs generally had no money and they bartered/traded with each other.
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White magic, as is commonly understood, is IMO merely the outer portico of black magic, where practitioners practise what they do with the best of intentions but are naively being misled by a complex disguises of what their really involved in. I know what I'm saying will anger some, but I'm not going to get het up with them because I'm more concerned with those that have power and influence over our lives, rather than with those that don't... Quote:
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Here's Josephus' account of the history of the actual pillars, from his "Antiquities of the Jews", Book I, Chapter II: Quote:
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"The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely."
I was wonderinmg if anyone knew WHY God forbade this. Do any supposed reasons exist? |
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Because these beings are fallen angels, demons whose leader is elsewhere described in the Bible as Reptilian in nature... the Serpent, the Dragon that Revelation describes as the power behind the rulers of the world. That's why, of course, the NWO agenda is also described as the Reptilian agenda.
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That's blatantly false propaganda and it also depends how you define 'magic' in the first place and context. The essence of life itself is 'magic' and I've not come across any Christians who say that there is darkness in pure spirit. Like you said, it depends how spirit is used, and using it for selfish purposes is dark, so you were at least right on that score.
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Is it blatant false propaganda? Is it unfair to say christians disprove of the harry potter stories for example or divination systems? Individual differences do matter here but the majority seem to implicate divination or psychic ability as being tied down to the dark forces..well at least in my experience of conversing with Christians anyway. There are many factions of christianity who vary in their belief systems...it gets a bit confusing when so many factions stand under the umberella of Christianity. wiki said: "Christian views on magic vary widely across denominational and individual barriers, and are often influenced by scriptural, theological, and historical considerations. Some Christians actively condemn any form of magic as satanic while others do not or simply dismiss it as superstition." If this is wrong then by all means I'm open to hearing a different interpretation, as we are all learning here... you are spot on with the interpretation of magic, very well put too!!
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This is weird, a friend of mine lent me a book, written by Robert Lomas, published by Lewis Masonic and over seen by Martin Faulks...who happens to be one of my 'friends on myspace' not that we communicate, not sure when i added him tbh,....however, 'Turning the Templar Key' is a book about masons written by masons...so I thought I'd have a look and see how far they were prepared to go in writing about their craft. It does go into certain rites and rituals...some half truths and 'history', but what is their angle in writing such a book?
Turns out that martin faulks is the first Freemason ever to appear on national television and talk openly about what it was like to go though the Masonic initiation ceremonies. The appearance was on BBC's Sunday morning religious programme The Heaven and Earth Show. Martin is also the author of numerous articles on Freemasonry and has contributed to magazines such as 'Freemasonry Today', The Square and the Scottish magazine The Ashlar. So why have the masons got a 'poster boy' all of a sudden? what is their game? What do they hope to acheive by going public? are they trying to create a new image?? Anyone got any ideas other than the disinfo argument? |
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According to Robert Lomas, the Kirkwall Scroll is the oldest masonic document, and shows the symbolic spiritual journey of Freemasonry. The scroll has been radiocarbon dated to round 1490 CE. This around the time that Freemasonry was established in Scotland by the St Clairs of Roslin.
kirkwebscroll.jpg Lodge No 38' Kirkwall Kilwinning, Castle Street, Kirkwall The Scroll, measures 18 feet 6 inches in length, and 5 feet 6 inches in width. The material of which it is composed is a strong linen, and consists of a full width of cloth in the centre with a divided width sewn along each side. It occupies the west wall of the Lodge room, but the height of the apartment is not sufficient to show the whole scroll at one time. It is very roughly painted in oil; the emblem down the centre being mainly in pale blue, but the top panel shows some attempt to imitate nature, the hills being brown, the sea green, the trees brown, and ground reddish, Eve and the animals and fishes pink. On each side of the centre strip runs a ribbon of three colours ‑ blue, yellow and green ‑ the blue being inside. On the left side the rivers and cities are green, the trees and hills brown, and the same may be said of the other side, the tents and symbols being, however, blue. The margin all round is a dark slate colour. kirkwallmarks.jpg The border on the spectator's left hand would seem to represent a map of the wanderings of the Hebrews until their settlement in Egypt. The rivers Tigris and Euphrates run down the centre, through a pastoral country almost devoid of cities, but in the lower‑most panel we are landed in Egypt, with the "Nillus" running through it, and many cities and buildings depicted. The right hand border should apparently be read from the bottom to the top, and seems to portray the wanderings of the Israelites in the desert. The central ribbon is not a river but evidently a road and is marked off in years, beginning at year 1, and ending at the year 46. We start from the Land of Midian and Mount Sinai, and have the first camp, the fall of Manna, a graveyard, the Waters of the Rock, the Worship of the Golden Calf, Sepulchre of Sarah, or Aaron, the elevation of the Serpent, &c., &c., while at the 46th year the road branches into numerous small paths, one leading to a building which probably is intended for the Temple at Jerusalem. Both margins, especially the right hand one, are covered with place and city names, but Bro. R. Muir, who has kindly collated our drawings with the original for me, writes that "The names appear to be of more modern date than the scroll itself, and have not been all written at the same time even, the ink is different and fresher in certain instances, and some of the writing is plainly by a different hand." The central panels speak for themselves. They commence at the top with Eve and the animals in the Garden of Eden ‑but why Adam is omitted would be difficult to say ‑ and end at the bottom with the Craft degrees. There are several cryptograms, some of which I have deciphered, but others have eluded my skill. At the very top is one such word and another will be found at the base of the hour‑glass‑like figure in the second panel. On the cornice of the altar within the Arch, is a third. The next panel shows a cryptogram on the face of the altar, which I have partially solved, the chief difficulty consisting in the fact that many of th e characters are incorrectly depicted. But, making the needful alterations, it reads :- I am hath sent me unto you. I am that I am; I am the Rose of Sharon and the Lily of the valley. Hegee as her hejah. I am that I am, or I will bee that I will bee Jaldadaiah. To the left of this is something which might be a highlander's feather bonnet, or a fountain, or even a tree, with a scroll beneath. On the ribbon is a word thrice repeated, which if written in the same cypher would read, Jugee Jugee Jugee! If not in the same cypher, then it is almost impossible to guess what it means, as there is not enough of it to furnish a clue. The words Three Three Three would obviously be possible,* and it may be an allusion to the 3 x 3 so well known in Masonry. The altar in the lowest panel has also a cryptogram on its cornice and face, which, being transliterated without making any allowance for incorrect writing, reads: 1 Chronikils, 2d captr 48, 49 Judges cgaptr 12, 6, 7 Hensis Chapr 4, 22 1 Kings, chapr 7, 21 Mashew Cgapr, 16, 18 This represents the kind of faults to be found in the verses given above; they arise from the want of a dot, or the redundance of one, or from a line more or less in the different characters. It may be worthy of consideration whether the original purpose of the scroll was not to serve as a floor cloth for the Lodge, for which its size would be suitable. The earliest form of our modern movable tracing board was that of a floor cloth, consisting of various symbolic designs, of which the mosaic pavement was usually, though not always, a feature. The actual tracing board, sometimes called also a square, was black. Gradually the design was transferred to the board, and the floor cloth preserved only the pavement. If this supposition be correct, the date of the scroll would fall into the first half of the eighteenth century, or very little later. Failing some clue, which we can scarcely hope to find except at Kirkwall, itself, its origin is likely to remain a mystery. The scroll can scarcely have been intended to hang on the wall, as it does now; unless, indeed, a lodge chamber 20 feet high was contemplated! ‑ G. W. Speth. http://www.lodgecraigellachie.co.uk/...l/Kirkwall.htm |
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The following appears in the Daily Telegraph, 22nd July 2000: "Masonic Lodge's Secret Scroll "is £8 million treasure" by Thomas Harding A secret scroll which has been hanging in a Masonic Lodge in the Orkney Islands for almost three centuries is thought to be one of the most significant recent finds in Britain. The Kirkwall Scroll, depicting secrets of the Knights Templar, has been carbon dated to the 15th Century, greatly increasing its significance. The Masonic Lodge in Orkney was unaware it possessed a priceless medieval treasure, thinking it was from the 18th Century. Andrew Sinclair, a Cambridge History Don claims that the little known Kirkwall Scroll, which he says could be worth £8 million, is second in value only to the famous 13th Century Mapa Mundi which hangs in Hereford Cathedral, and was valued at £7 million by Sothebys in 1989. Mr Sinclair, who heard about the Scroll while researching the history St Clair Earls of Orkney, said "Its significance is immense. This will demand the rewriting of Scots medieval history." Mr Sinclair, a descendant of the St Clairs, was allowed access to the Scroll and took a piece of it a away for carbon testing. The 18 foot sailcloth hanging is said to contain ancient Freemason and Templar symbols of great significance, including clues for the trail to the Holy Grail. Parts of the scroll date from the 18th and early 19th Centuries. The St Clair Earls of Orkney have been strongly associated with the legendary Knights Templar and secret orders. Mr Sinclair said the Kirkwall Scroll is unique in that it proves how the ancient knowledge amassed by the Knights Templar during the Crusades has been passed on into Freemasonry by the St Clairs, to safeguard it. But Mr Sinclair's proposal to remove it for safekeeping has incensed the Freemasons. "Anything is priceless if you've got a market for it, so his sensation-making claims of it being worth millions mean nothing," said a spokesman. "It is priceless to us and we have safeguarded it well for more than two and a half centuries." "No-one can have access without special permission and it is protected from the light, so we would urge "Leave well alone." ." |
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