Illuminati Killed Michael Jackson

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by divineshadow

l read somewhere that Sony bought it out. Got no other news.They deleted all their old posts thus losing alot of information and links.Hmmm very strange.

I didn't know that. Interesting. I hope it's not true.

[sunsoftatooine]

July 7, 2011 has come and gone and no michael or a movie.

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by gwynned

Does anyone know of any other person who has died from an overdose of propofol?

As regards your other comments, with all due respect, everything you suggest is based on belief and heresay. If you've listened to comments by other of his 'friends,' you'll find they all contradict each other. He was healthy. He was frail and missed most rehearsals, etc. I just don't think these sources are reliable enough to use to draw any conclusions.

Michael's SISTER LaToya said Michael was frail. His father said he wasn't strong enough to do the shows. They saw him in person. Producer Rodney Jerkins said he hoped they would get a trainer to work him out before the shows. Michael had not toured in 12 years, was 50 years old, and according to his autopsy report, wasn't in the best of health: pneumonia and brain swelling. He wore layers of clothes. Kenny Ortega admitted under oath that he sent him home because he was concerned.

What other friends are you talking about? The imaginary ones from "V" for Vendetta?

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by andiliz

I find this interesting:

At this point, no matter how much evidence is presented: very few believers will be convinced that MJ really died, and very few non-believers will be convinced that MJ is alive. Also, if they did get him on 6-25-09, no amount of investigation and research will ever bring him back to life.

Perhaps it is time to focus on something that both believers and unbelievers can agree upon: that the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers much bigger than a few $ony and/or AEG executives. And the public needs understand this, including but not limited to MJ fans; there needs to be a widespread awareness of this fact, and then the Jacksons can more directly and more safely work to fight against and expose this major underground corruption.

You can encourage others to read La Toya’s book, and be informed of the magnitude of the conspiracy. This is not merely to promote and sell copies of her book; you can probably go to a library and read it, if you would rather not spend the money to buy it (if a library doesn’t currently have it, you can request it and they may order it in). If nothing else, you can direct people to this thread, which quotes some of the most important parts about the conspiracy, etc.

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/p...?f=145&t=19778

I agree. Focusing on what happened to Michael and what the family is going through is what is important now. Because it is related.

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by sunsoftatooine

Michael's SISTER LaToya said Michael was frail. His father said he wasn't strong enough to do the shows. They saw him in person. Producer Rodney Jerkins said he hoped they would get a trainer to work him out before the shows. Michael had not toured in 12 years, was 50 years old, and according to his autopsy report, wasn't in the best of health: pneumonia and brain swelling. He wore layers of clothes. Kenny Ortega admitted under oath that he sent him home because he was concerned.

What other friends are you talking about? The imaginary ones from "V" for Vendetta?

He looked very healthy in This Is It, as well as lucid, light hearted, focused, etc.
How synchronistic you should mention my friends from V cuz I was just about to post this new video from one of the more well known hoax video makers.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

And it's all about my dear friend Mr. V.

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by gwynned

He looked very healthy in This Is It, as well as lucid, light hearted, focused, etc.
How synchronistic you should mention my friends from V cuz I was just about to post this new video from one of the more well known hoax video makers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg5CsUvSiUo

And it's all about my dear friend Mr. V.

He looked thin. His autopsy report reveals there were health issues.

Weren't you talking about Michael's other friends? That's what I read in your post. I don't remember reading anything about your friends. But, I'm not judging you for having imaginary friends.

I'm sure someone will enjoy your video.

[sunsoftatooine]

I can't remember who wrote this, but it was about Janet saying what she said about MJ and addiction because she has a recording contract... If I got the exact wording wrong, I apologize and please correct me.

Do you believe Janet would lie about her brother because of a contract? She'd do better just to say she'd rather not comment. Also, would anyone be willing to tell Janet personally that she said what she said about MJ because of her career? Just curious.

Thank you.

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by sunsoftatooine

He looked thin. His autopsy report reveals there were health issues.

Weren't you talking about Michael's other friends? That's what I read in your post. I don't remember reading anything about your friends. But, I'm not judging you for having imaginary friends.

I'm sure someone will enjoy your video.

Speaking of imaginary, please provide me with the autopsy for Michael Joe Jackson. Or for that matter, please provide me with an official death certificate for same, and not the one signed by LaToya.

And yes he was thin, like many dancers.

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by gwynned

Speaking of imaginary, please provide me with the autopsy for Michael Joe Jackson. Or for that matter, please provide me with an official death certificate for same, and not the one signed by LaToya.

And yes he was thin, like many dancers.

You should be able to find his ar on smokinggun.com. We weren't discussing the dc, and I won't get into a hoax debate with you. You know where I stand. If you want to talk about the conspiracy against MJ in life, or the topics anidliz suggested, let's go.

The dancers were more than 20 years younger than he, and he hadn't toured since 1997. I wouldn't sign a 50 year old to do what was expected of him. You say you had a religious experience regarding Michael. He was a man, not God. He needed God, like the rest of us. Michael Jackson was not superhuman. He should have been treated better.

[blackjack777]

Hi guys, I'm not interested in debating the hoax theory either and I'm not here to try and convince anyone to think my way.... we all believe what we want to believe based on how we process info and each to their own I say. Anyhow the main reason I came here with respect to MJ is that it's real hard to find people who are willing to discuss it away from the forums and blogs solely dedicated to him. I've spent time on a forum (I'll give you my views on that later) and also I've sought out alt news and other conspiracy-type places and whenever I've tried to bring up the topic of MJ (alive or dead) I can honestly say it's been shut down pretty much instantly.... no one wants to discuss it and these are people who LOVE to pick apart the media--- whether it be faked pics or disinformers or whatever. I thought these people are exactly the type who are open minded and can break free of their pre-conceived ideas and conditioning.....apparently not when it comes to MJ..... the very mention of Michael Jackson to non fans is toxic! The men seem to harbour the image of a pedo who got off, and the women either think that he was a mixed up junkie or a helpless victim they feel sorry for. So I've come here as I really want to talk to people who are not solely connected to the MJHD forums.

[blackjack777]

Originally Posted by gwynned

Blackjack777 - If you want to send a PM, just click on the name and the option pops up. Strange that the option was not available when I clicked on your name, but it works on other names if you would like to PM someone.

In the meantime, I agree with you the comeback will not be what we expected. There are some that suggest he's never really left, but is working behind the scenes in film, with some of us positing that he's making an interactive experimental film which involves us trying to figure out what happened to him. I suspect clues to the 'return' are in V for Vendetta. If Michael hoaxed his death, he did so for serious reasons. He would not have brought so much heartache to his fans otherwise.

Hey there, I don't seem to be able to work the pms but never mind. Since you are on the hoax side I want to give you my idea of what he's doing while he's in hiding. I've had this picture of him in my mind ever since my intuitive antenna was alerted when I joined MJHDI: he's sitting in a room likened to the bridge on the Starship Enterprise surrounded by computer screens and laptops, he's on a roly office chair and he's constantly rolling from one screen to another posting on forums, blogs, etc...................yes I have no doubt there are serious reasons for it, but I guess it doesn't hurt to throw a little fun into it while you're waiting. What do you think?

[blackjack777]

Originally Posted by gaias child

Hi Blackjack777, welcome to the forum and thread. Of course you are welcome too express your views on whatever the truth maybe we all want that

Thanks for the welcome, even though I don't agree with your view I respect your right to think that way. I've picked things up in a very different manner, and I'm not saying it is entirely because I'm not a fan, although I think it has got something to do with it. By 'fan' I mean that up until his 'death' I've never followed anything he's done. I'm 40 now so I was quite young when Thriller came out and of coarse I can rattle off his blockbuster hits, but of all the rest I knew relatively little. What I did see in my adult years made me think he's pretty much got the show-business act down to an art!.... the changes, the deliberate 'weirdness', the whole bit is designed so that he's always talked about and his star is kept shining bright.........a form of marketing I guess. Anyways, good luck to him as he's obviously wanted it. I suppose you could say that I found his 'death' much more interesting than his life.

[blackjack777]

Originally Posted by gwynned

In the meantime, I agree with you the comeback will not be what we expected. There are some that suggest he's never really left, but is working behind the scenes in film, with some of us positing that he's making an interactive experimental film which involves us trying to figure out what happened to him. I suspect clues to the 'return' are in V for Vendetta.

[For anyone else reading this, please understand it is because I fully support the hoax theory and have deduced that we were meant to find them in order to know that he's not dead. I'm not in any way trying to trivialise death as I've had two people close to me pass away within the last 5 years so i know what death looks like.... and this ain't it].
gwynned,
I'd like to ask you if you have found the hoax clues amusing. I'm sure he meant it that way and at times I felt like I was watching Monty Python .....when they flipped that sheet covered board out of the chopper I was waiting for it to sit bolt upright and exclaim "don't worry, it's only a flesh wound!" If that wasn't enough, the day his Dad blurted out "Ï've got a good statement here" and proceeded to plug his new record company, I laughed so much that I nearly had a convulsion. I thought OMG poor Joe, he's been portrayed as a tyrant for most of Mike's career and now that naughty boy has got his father to say that!! OTT wicked! Well I have had grand parents and great grand parents just like that who would blurt out stuff at the drop of a hat so I know what it's like wishing you had a muzzle to put on em. I'm astounded that people can think his own father would be acting like that if it weren't deliberate.

[blackjack777]

sunsoftatooine.............. interesting username, is it referring to the Twin Suns of tatooine? Just curious.

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by blackjack777

sunsoftatooine.............. interesting username, is it referring to the Twin Suns of tatooine? Just curious.

"The Sand People are easily startled but they'll soon be back, and in greater numbers. "

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by blackjack777

Thanks for the welcome, even though I don't agree with your view I respect your right to think that way. I've picked things up in a very different manner, and I'm not saying it is entirely because I'm not a fan, although I think it has got something to do with it. By 'fan' I mean that up until his 'death' I've never followed anything he's done. I'm 40 now so I was quite young when Thriller came out and of coarse I can rattle off his blockbuster hits, but of all the rest I knew relatively little. What I did see in my adult years made me think he's pretty much got the show-business act down to an art!.... the changes, the deliberate 'weirdness', the whole bit is designed so that he's always talked about and his star is kept shining bright.........a form of marketing I guess. Anyways, good luck to him as he's obviously wanted it. I suppose you could say that I found his 'death' much more interesting than his life.

Hi Blackjack, I was not a fan either, but someone who just happened to see on here one day when i was bored after his death his speech against Sony and I joined the fan forums to find out further info and made contacts along the way.

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by blackjack777

Thanks for the welcome, even though I don't agree with your view I respect your right to think that way. I've picked things up in a very different manner, and I'm not saying it is entirely because I'm not a fan, although I think it has got something to do with it. By 'fan' I mean that up until his 'death' I've never followed anything he's done. I'm 40 now so I was quite young when Thriller came out and of coarse I can rattle off his blockbuster hits, but of all the rest I knew relatively little. What I did see in my adult years made me think he's pretty much got the show-business act down to an art!.... the changes, the deliberate 'weirdness', the whole bit is designed so that he's always talked about and his star is kept shining bright.........a form of marketing I guess. Anyways, good luck to him as he's obviously wanted it. I suppose you could say that I found his 'death' much more interesting than his life.

why are you interested in his death, you don't sound like you like him that much, I did not know anything about him either, but when I saw that he was trying to make the world a better place I got interested, t hat is my reason.

Of course he was marketed, that was what he grew up with, that is not his fault, he was marketed by the powers that be, but he tried to use his position to make the world a better place. that is what I want to focus on. all this hoax stuff is distraction.

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by sunsoftatooine

Good argument! I believe he turned to propofol out of desperation because of the terms of his agreement with AEG and what would happen if he canceled the shows. I also believe the stress of the shows and the contract terms made it difficult for him to sleep. (I've had sleepless nights because of stress, so I can believe it.) I'm going to through something at you: I saw an interview on CNN (I think it was Larry King Live) with Liza Minnelli and Usher right after MJ died. MJ's tox report came back showing that he wasn't an addict, although there were traces of meds in his system as well as a boat load of propofol, and I don't think he was an addict, but what do you make of Liza saying wait til the tox report comes back. She'd know Michael for years. Why would she say something like that?

Yes, I wondered about that too, Liza comments, I'm not sure she had that much contact with MJ up to the end of his life,so I can assume she meant she thought he would be free of drugs as Dick Gregory said.

These people are very clever, they cover all their angles to make it look like how they want and throw in a ton of distractions so can never be proven to be found out, it goes on over and over, elvis, john lennon etc

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by blackjack777

Hey there, I don't seem to be able to work the pms but never mind. Since you are on the hoax side I want to give you my idea of what he's doing while he's in hiding. I've had this picture of him in my mind ever since my intuitive antenna was alerted when I joined MJHDI: he's sitting in a room likened to the bridge on the Starship Enterprise surrounded by computer screens and laptops, he's on a roly office chair and he's constantly rolling from one screen to another posting on forums, blogs, etc...................yes I have no doubt there are serious reasons for it, but I guess it doesn't hurt to throw a little fun into it while you're waiting. What do you think?

Oh, there's no doubt in my mind the man behind the curtain is having quite a bit of fun. Love the Starship image.

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by gwynned

Does anyone know of any other person who has died from an overdose of propofol?

.

Propofol is barbiturate type sedative and yes, lots of people die of this type of overdose. Propofol is generally only used as anaesthetic though and not prescribed so it would be less likely as it is administered professionally that an overdose that would kill someone would occur. although it has happened ocasionally

But MJ who can afford the best this happens, go figure.