Illuminati Killed Michael Jackson

[andiliz]

The News of the World is to close down:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-Murdoch.html

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by gwynned

If only I could convince you he was alive, all your sadness would disappear in an instant. So I have to ask, what WOULD it take to convince you?

But that would be a delusion/illusion!

[gaias child]

Anyone know how long the murray trial is expected to go on, I don't hear much about it.

[gwynned]

Whether Michael faked his death or not, it's clear from LaToya's new book that he was under threat.

Some interesting excerpts:

Speaking of the attempt to kill MJ on 9-11, here it is: “I later learned that Michael was supposed to attend a meeting at the top of the World Trade Center at 9:00 a.m. on September 11, but he was too tired, and the meeting was canceled. Had he gone, he would have died in the attack that day.” (186).

“Michael had an even greater fear than the possibility that he might be found guilty [in the 2005 trial]. He was wearing a bulletproof vest, a habit he had adopted since the time when he went head-to-head with Tommy Mottola of Sony in 2001, and again in 2002.” (252,253; see 200).

Lengthier discussion here. http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/p...?f=145&t=19778

[andiliz]

Originally Posted by gaias child

Anyone know how long the murray trial is expected to go on, I don't hear much about it.

I've not really heard anything about the trial. Is it going on in LA?

[andiliz]

I find this interesting:

At this point, no matter how much evidence is presented: very few believers will be convinced that MJ really died, and very few non-believers will be convinced that MJ is alive. Also, if they did get him on 6-25-09, no amount of investigation and research will ever bring him back to life.

Perhaps it is time to focus on something that both believers and unbelievers can agree upon: that the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers much bigger than a few $ony and/or AEG executives. And the public needs understand this, including but not limited to MJ fans; there needs to be a widespread awareness of this fact, and then the Jacksons can more directly and more safely work to fight against and expose this major underground corruption.

You can encourage others to read La Toya’s book, and be informed of the magnitude of the conspiracy. This is not merely to promote and sell copies of her book; you can probably go to a library and read it, if you would rather not spend the money to buy it (if a library doesn’t currently have it, you can request it and they may order it in). If nothing else, you can direct people to this thread, which quotes some of the most important parts about the conspiracy, etc.

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/p...?f=145&t=19778

[andiliz]

Psychologist Dr. Stan Katz, said Michael Jackson had regressed to a ten-year-old and did not fit the profile of a paedophile. We on here of course know he wasn't a paedophile and would never hurt a child. Michael Jackson was misunderstood.

It's interesting to know why Michael Jackson was childlike and seemed stuck in some ways at about 10 years old. This I have always found very interesting about Michael Jackson. Michael was very intelligent but also childlike.

[lovely one]

Originally Posted by gwynned

If only I could convince you he was alive, all your sadness would disappear in an instant. So I have to ask, what WOULD it take to convince you?

There is nothing I would want more.
Sometimes ..everything is so clear to me and sometimes I loose hope.

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by andiliz

Psychologist Dr. Stan Katz, said Michael Jackson had regressed to a ten-year-old and did not fit the profile of a paedophile. We on here of course know he wasn't a paedophile and would never hurt a child. Michael Jackson was misunderstood.

It's interesting to know why Michael Jackson was childlike and seemed stuck in some ways at about 10 years old. This I have always found very interesting about Michael Jackson. Michael was very intelligent but also childlike.

Michael did not regress to a 10 year old, but he just got stuck at the emotinal maturity of a 10 year old that was what I read the psychologist said . He was chldlike because he did not have a normal childhood and did not develop emotional maturity or skills beyond that of a 10 year old that is why he got taken advantage of,. This is because he worked all the time as a child worked like an adult and did not play with other children so did not develop normally emotionally and in addition endured abnormal intense celebrity and fame as a child which normal people do not experience. The psychologist said he was emotionally a 10year old, but then who cares, when we look at what emotional maturity means, is it so great.

personally I think he was very spiritually aware and when i think of somethings he said about celebrity, he seemed very mature to me.

[blackjack777]

Hi there, I hope you don't mind me coming into this thread...... I've been following MJ's 'death' too and have been on a forum and visiting some blogs etc.(I've had some weird and fascinating experiences regarding these). I understand that this thread is for those who believe he's dead so I will respect that but I would really like to talk to Gwynned or someone else who is of the opinion that this whole production is to not only 'save' him from the globalist elite who want him dead, but also to wake up humanity to what is really going on in plain sight of us all. Maybe someone could pm me and we could discuss via email or something......I'm not an MJ "fan" in the sense that I'm obsessed with him, I'm just an interested observer who liked his music and never thought all of the bad press and disgusting accusations were anything more than attempts to discredit him and keep him 'in line' with the illuminati-backed agenda in the recording industry. I'm happy to discuss my views in the open forum if you guys don't mind, but if not, pm me because I really do believe he's still with us and the "4 years to get it right" is ticking away. Personally, MJ was way too smart not to know that TPTB wanted him gone and he outsmarted them by getting away before they could do it. If you're looking for a tiny piece of hope...... ask yourself why CM hasn't come to trial yet...... why is it being drawn out...... why all the lame excuses ......even OJ's case was dealt with more swiftly......jmo......you can't have a manslaughter trial when there has been no manslaughter. I hope I haven't offended anyone and I'm not here to rehash all the holes/clues in the case.....I just want to talk with like minded people about it...... Regards, BlackJack

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by blackjack777

I understand that this thread is for those who believe he's dead so I will respect that but I would really like to talk to Gwynned or someone else who is of the opinion that this whole production is to not only 'save' him from the globalist elite who want him dead, but also to wake up humanity to what is really going on in plain sight of us all.

One of the things that is regularly discussed on the hoax forums is the impact on our personal lives the hoax has had. Many of us have had what can only be called transformative religious experiences from watching and listening to Michael. I have no explanation for it, but it does appear to be a phenomenon.

Let's face it. When people are asleep and dreaming the dream, it takes something extraordinary to wake them up. So my question to you, Mr. BlackJack777, as well as to anyone else who could imagine a comeback, what will it look like if he does indeed return?

[blackjack777]

Hi gwynned,

I don't look at it like it's going to be a "comeback" in the sense of what he was doing before.... the singing and dancing, I'm more inclined to think that whatever he does will be more behind the scenes out of the public spotlight, maybe in film directing or something..... he mentioned films in the 2005 Geraldo interview. I can't imagine him not being involved in making music but I can't see tours and concerts either...... I think the 'King of Pop' aspect was what has been 'murdered' and laid to rest, not Michael himself. I have some other stuff I'd like to discuss with you especially if you've been involved in any of the forums but I don't think this is the thread I should do it in...... maybe I should make a different one or we could discuss it in pm, although I'm not sure whether I can use the pm function on here yet. Thanks, BJ

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by andiliz

I find this interesting:

At this point, no matter how much evidence is presented: very few believers will be convinced that MJ really died, and very few non-believers will be convinced that MJ is alive. Also, if they did get him on 6-25-09, no amount of investigation and research will ever bring him back to life.

Perhaps it is time to focus on something that both believers and unbelievers can agree upon: that the Jackson family has been and still is threatened by powers much bigger than a few $ony and/or AEG executives. And the public needs understand this, including but not limited to MJ fans; there needs to be a widespread awareness of this fact, and then the Jacksons can more directly and more safely work to fight against and expose this major underground corruption.

You can encourage others to read La Toya’s book, and be informed of the magnitude of the conspiracy. This is not merely to promote and sell copies of her book; you can probably go to a library and read it, if you would rather not spend the money to buy it (if a library doesn’t currently have it, you can request it and they may order it in). If nothing else, you can direct people to this thread, which quotes some of the most important parts about the conspiracy, etc.

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/p...?f=145&t=19778

Interesting, thanks Andiliz

[gaias child]

Originally Posted by blackjack777

Hi there, I hope you don't mind me coming into this thread...... I've been following MJ's 'death' too and have been on a forum and visiting some blogs etc.(I've had some weird and fascinating experiences regarding these). I understand that this thread is for those who believe he's dead so I will respect that but I would really like to talk to Gwynned or someone else who is of the opinion that this whole production is to not only 'save' him from the globalist elite who want him dead, but also to wake up humanity to what is really going on in plain sight of us all. Maybe someone could pm me and we could discuss via email or something......I'm not an MJ "fan" in the sense that I'm obsessed with him, I'm just an interested observer who liked his music and never thought all of the bad press and disgusting accusations were anything more than attempts to discredit him and keep him 'in line' with the illuminati-backed agenda in the recording industry. I'm happy to discuss my views in the open forum if you guys don't mind, but if not, pm me because I really do believe he's still with us and the "4 years to get it right" is ticking away. Personally, MJ was way too smart not to know that TPTB wanted him gone and he outsmarted them by getting away before they could do it. If you're looking for a tiny piece of hope...... ask yourself why CM hasn't come to trial yet...... why is it being drawn out...... why all the lame excuses ......even OJ's case was dealt with more swiftly......jmo......you can't have a manslaughter trial when there has been no manslaughter. I hope I haven't offended anyone and I'm not here to rehash all the holes/clues in the case.....I just want to talk with like minded people about it...... Regards, BlackJack

Hi Blackjack777, welcome to the forum and thread. Of course you are welcome too express your views on whatever the truth maybe we all want that.

I however am 100% certain MJ is not alive from various information i do have including those that have assignments on various forums, of course there are those working for branca, murray on those forums too, masking as fans to distract and deflect and if he were not dead there would be no need for those people. I also have met a couple of fans who Michael confided in about what was going on. They are so afraid becuse they know what is going on that they keep a low profile.

Michael was smart, but he was not street wise, there is a difference,he exposed sony in 2002 with that speech against motolla and look what they did too him, set him up on false allegations, tried to ruin him financially and trying to force him to sell his catelogue where he owned publishing rights and half of sony.

Sony now have that cateologue, the will was fake and forged to anyone looking seriuosly into this it is obvious, it was signed in LA apparently on 7/7 2002, exactly 7 years to the day of hi memorial service. but Michael was in NY protesting against mottola on that day, the real will disappeared. His music attorney died after MJ death apparently suicide (I don't think so) more likely bumped off as he knew the location of the real will.

There is no way if MJ was alive he would just hand over his catelogue to Sony that he fought so hard to keep and IMOhe would be still alive had he jsust given it up and sold it Sony and not had so much attachment to it, even though his heart was in the right place.

also his family and children are getting virutally nothing, as the estate has the bulk of it, and they sold his share to Sony, which Michael was fighting against if MJ was alive would he seriously want the estate to sell his share to Sony after what he said about them and for his beloved children too be treated in this way, I don't think so

They did every trick in the book too force him too sell that catelogue but he refused to buckle and at the end of the day they killed him for it , simple as that.

[gwynned]

Blackjack777 - If you want to send a PM, just click on the name and the option pops up. Strange that the option was not available when I clicked on your name, but it works on other names if you would like to PM someone.

In the meantime, I agree with you the comeback will not be what we expected. There are some that suggest he's never really left, but is working behind the scenes in film, with some of us positing that he's making an interactive experimental film which involves us trying to figure out what happened to him. I suspect clues to the 'return' are in V for Vendetta. If Michael hoaxed his death, he did so for serious reasons. He would not have brought so much heartache to his fans otherwise.

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by gaias child

Dick Gregory said on that interview that during the trials Michael got really sick with dehydration because he told Dick that he thought people were trying to poison him, he took him too the hospital he was tested and he was free of drugs then and but needed fluids, and electrolytes, I'll try and find the interview.

the other thing i know is that michael was taking b 12 injections and vitamin injections for energy from cherilyn,the IV was for electrolytles as he used to get dehydrated during rehearsals.

My theory is someone was poisoing him with the herb ephedra which was found in his system and this causes insomina and weight loss, it would then be easy too convince michael because of his fears and previous experience that he needed something to help him sleep .

it does not really make sense that someone would doing all this healthy stuff food and and smoothies and vitamins and electrolytes and then take something like propofol, although ibelieve mj may have used that in the past, i firmly believe that no way was Michael an addict he may have resolrted to using medications out of desperation but that imo was controlled as well.

Interesting how similar that the king of rock and roll elvis was also controlled with use of drugs and that killed him too.

In Michaels own words he thought people were trying to poison him for his sony catelogue and now he is dead,and sony have the rights too the music, so i believe MJ words

Good argument! I believe he turned to propofol out of desperation because of the terms of his agreement with AEG and what would happen if he canceled the shows. I also believe the stress of the shows and the contract terms made it difficult for him to sleep. (I've had sleepless nights because of stress, so I can believe it.) I'm going to through something at you: I saw an interview on CNN (I think it was Larry King Live) with Liza Minnelli and Usher right after MJ died. MJ's tox report came back showing that he wasn't an addict, although there were traces of meds in his system as well as a boat load of propofol, and I don't think he was an addict, but what do you make of Liza saying wait til the tox report comes back. She'd know Michael for years. Why would she say something like that?

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by andiliz

I don't trust nurse 'Cherilyn Lee' we don't even know if she even met Michael Jackson??

It's true that Rebbie Jackson, Janet Jackson and even Katherine Jackson have been suggesting that Michael Jackson did have an addiction to painkillers or something like that. Lisa Marie Presley has said the same thing. I believe Michael Jackson was 'drugged' to control him rather than he was addicted to drugs. The thing is that both Janet Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley were not really around Michael in the last years of his life so how do they know what was going on with him? Why didn't they help him if they were so worried about him? I don't know how much Rebbie Jackson saw Michael in his last years? Katherine Jackson was always very close to her son Michael and I trust what she says.

Michael Jackson was a fantastic father and I don't think he was addicted to drugs.

I think with all the stress and pain Michael Jackson had to deal with in his life he did really well! I don't know how he coped with all the pressure on him. I can believe the stress of the concerts in London meant he found it hard to sleep.

I know that when Michael was on tour after he did concerts he would be really buzzing and would find it hard to sleep.

This is what Raymone Bain says she never saw Michael Jackson take any drugs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8YFz...el_video_title

Cherilyn was originally called in for MJ's children, so someone (if she did go to the house) should be able to verify. She was the first person to bring propofol to the public's attention. She was looked upon as someone who was providing information that no one knew about.

People have talked about Michael turning to prescription meds for physical and emotional pain. I agree with you that he had to deal with a lot in life. He had a lot on his shoulders starting at a young age. I also agree with you about the adrenaline rush after shows. Did you see that interview with Karen Faye, and Michael (his costume designer)? They spoke about Michael being awake for 3 days after a show. I also don't believe the mess with AEG helped him at all. I would've felt trapped.

I don't think he was an addict, but there are conflicting reports out there. I'm not a fan of Oprah's either. But, I try to watch as many interviews with Jackson family members as I can for clues and information.

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by indica

Illuminati killed my dog

It was the implant,wasn't it?

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by sunsoftatooine

Good argument! I believe he turned to propofol out of desperation because of the terms of his agreement with AEG and what would happen if he canceled the shows. I also believe the stress of the shows and the contract terms made it difficult for him to sleep. (I've had sleepless nights because of stress, so I can believe it.) I'm going to through something at you: I saw an interview on CNN (I think it was Larry King Live) with Liza Minnelli and Usher right after MJ died. MJ's tox report came back showing that he wasn't an addict, although there were traces of meds in his system as well as a boat load of propofol, and I don't think he was an addict, but what do you make of Liza saying wait til the tox report comes back. She'd know Michael for years. Why would she say something like that?

Does anyone know of any other person who has died from an overdose of propofol?

As regards your other comments, with all due respect, everything you suggest is based on belief and heresay. If you've listened to comments by other of his 'friends,' you'll find they all contradict each other. He was healthy. He was frail and missed most rehearsals, etc. I just don't think these sources are reliable enough to use to draw any conclusions.

[sunsoftatooine]

Originally Posted by andiliz

Thanks Sunoftatooine it's a very tough time for us all with the 2nd anniversary of Michael Jackson's death.

We must carry on loving all the children and healing the world for the children!

We must carry on Michael's work!

I don't like how Oprah talks about Michael, it just sounds so fake. Oprah never loved or cared about Michael Jackson.

You're welcome. God bless and protect the babies! I watch the Jacksons and Michael related interviews on Oprah for info. I wonder if Oprah thinks she is being an unbiased journalist, not letting her emotions get in the way when she sandwiches child molestation shows in between interviews with LMP and Katherine Jackson. I wonder if she thinks she's being a champion for abused children when to us she's treating Michael unfairly. Watching MJ beg Barbara Walters for help in his interview with her, and her reaction....I thought ..how cold! Maybe she thought she was being an unbiased, unemotional journalist. Still not a big fan of either. Barbara Walters often acts like she's cuddling up to an ice burg when she interviews people. Maybe it's her journalist face and demeanor.

Martin Bashir had a show on CNN. Haven't seen him lately. Did he get fired?
Do I care? Well, I'm happy that he's no longer on CNN, if indeed he isn't.