'Baby machine' vows to run from authorities

konik · 31-07-2009, 09:30 AM

A "baby machine" whose 13 children have all been taken into care on account of her bad parenting is threatening to flee the country so she can keep her next child.

Theresa Winters, from Bedfordshire in southern England, is now pregnant with her 14th child but faces having it removed by social workers within two years.

The unemployed 36-year-old has never been allowed to keep any of her children because of neglect.

But now she is threatening to leave the country with partner Toney Housden — who is also a long-term welfare recipient — so that she can retain custody of her latest infant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aken-care.html

comment from Jan Moir courtesy of the daily mail

''Should a woman like Theresa Winters be sterilised? Yes, it is an appalling proposition for a civilised society to even consider.

It seems plain wrong to think of interfering with a woman's freedom to have a baby. Yet if ever there was a case for sterilisation by the state, or at least some form of compulsory contraception, then surely it is her. Most definitely it is her. ''

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ve-family.html

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/843...pregnant-again

danster82 · 31-07-2009, 09:35 AM

This is what David calls the totalitarian tiptoe

konik · 31-07-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by danster82

This is what David calls the totalitarian tiptoe

or what some would call 'gradualism' . .?

jkdt0077 · 31-07-2009, 11:08 AM

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But now she is threatening to leave the country with partner Toney Housden — who is also a long-term welfare recipient — so that she can retain custody of her latest infant.

Let her leave ffs

brainfreeze · 31-07-2009, 11:17 AM

I don't blame this women for threatening to run away and have her baby.

What has the government/welfare done for her and her partner other than take their children away?

Has anything been done to resolve the issues the welfare have with the parents? Surely after 13 children being taken away the issues the parents have must be obvious and so a genuine solution other than the stealing of their offspring should have been devised long before it got to this stage. What help and support have these two had over the years?

This is a baby P case in reverse, where the social has fucked the parents instead of the kids.

rydeon · 31-07-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by danster82

This is what David calls the totalitarian tiptoe

Yep, the totalitarian tiptoe due to the selfish and good-for-nothing unemployable who contribute nothing to what everyone else pays for in taxes.

13 kids and she's not able to keep any of them. There's a reason for that and I'm willing to bet it's not because she was home-schooling them or the intrusion of the social services pre-emptively.

This 'baby machine' is not the only one with this mindset and it's becoming a force-multiplier in trashing the welfare state.

pinkgrapefruit · 31-07-2009, 11:33 AM

I think this woman should be employed by the State to provide it with babies so they wont need to steal them from caring families.

kweli · 31-07-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brainfreeze

I don't blame this women for threatening to run away and have her baby.

What has the government/welfare done for her and her partner other than take their children away?

Has anything been done to resolve the issues the welfare have with the parents? Surely after 13 children being taken away the issues the parents have must be obvious and so a genuine solution other than the stealing of their offspring should have been devised long before it got to this stage. What help and support have these two had over the years?

This is a baby P case in reverse, where the social has fucked the parents instead of the kids.

Good post.

hawk · 31-07-2009, 12:43 PM

Pinkgrapefruit, you said a mouthful there,LOL!

cruise4 · 31-07-2009, 12:47 PM

What has the government/welfare done for her and her partner?

Paid them to have them and now use it for propoganda!

brainfreeze · 31-07-2009, 12:57 PM

What problems did they have and how were they dealt with?

Were there alcohol or drug issues? Violence? Anti social issues? What was done to assist/encourage the parents in getting well/bettering themselves? Were they offered therapy or rehab or anger managment? Parenting classes? Were they encouraged to keep in contact with their babies, or cut off?

What was done other than take their children away?

decim · 31-07-2009, 01:29 PM

Assisted suicide - check.

Forced sterilization - check

__________ - check

He's got a list, he's checkin' it twice..

agneau · 31-07-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brainfreeze

What problems did they have and how were they dealt with?

Were there alcohol or drug issues? Violence? Anti social issues? What was done to assist/encourage the parents in getting well/bettering themselves? Were they offered therapy or rehab or anger managment? Parenting classes? Were they encouraged to keep in contact with their babies, or cut off?

What was done other than take their children away?

Sounds like you know the full story - So they were not offered any help then? Nothing at all? That's dreadful. I've not come across any reports that detail that - which paper/site was that in - I'd like to quote it.

kweli · 31-07-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by surfer91

Make this useless breeder first in line for the swine flu jab..

Who are you to say her offsping are 'useless'? How do you know they won't turn out more 'useful' than you could ever be? serious question.

krakhead · 31-07-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by agneau

Sounds like you know the full story - So they were not offered any help then? Nothing at all? That's dreadful. I've not come across any reports that detail that - which paper/site was that in - I'd like to quote it.

Brainfreeze posted questions, not statements.

agneau · 31-07-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by krakhead

Brainfreeze posted questions, not statements.

Oh really? Take a look at the last sentence in this:

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I don't blame this women for threatening to run away and have her baby.

What has the government/welfare done for her and her partner other than take their children away?

Has anything been done to resolve the issues the welfare have with the parents? Surely after 13 children being taken away the issues the parents have must be obvious and so a genuine solution other than the stealing of their offspring should have been devised long before it got to this stage. What help and support have these two had over the years?

This is a baby P case in reverse, where the social has fucked the parents instead of the kids.

Strikes me as more of a statement - don't it you?

jkdt0077 · 31-07-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kweli

No need for your smart arse response, it was a genuine question. There's 'well bred' (& interbred) couples out there that may only have one or two children that turn out to be absolute idiots! a drain on society - - just check out the royal family of the UK for instance - WE pay for these imbeciles. So.. I'll go back to my original question: How do you know that the offsping of this 'baby machine' (great choice of words by the msm btw there) won't turn out more useful than you?

It will be difficult trying to educate / support / feed / cloth 13 or 14 kids while living off welfare, don't you think? Maybe one of these little kids will turn out to be a genius but if even if they are, there's a high probability, given the circumstances in which they will be growing up, that they won't ever reach their potential.

kweli · 31-07-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jkdt0077

It will be difficult trying to educate / support / feed / cloth 13 or 14 kids while living off welfare, don't you think? Maybe one of these little kids will turn out to be a genius but if even if they are, there's a high probability, given the circumstances in which they will be growing up, that they won't ever reach their potential.

Not so sure on that one. My Dad was one of thirteen children; and although they weren't on welfare, they were all born, pre, during or shortly after WW2 - very lean times in our history. Then again..they welcomed and encouraged large families back then; we were more useful to them then I guess - now we're moving into a post industrial 'brave new world' all of a sudden there's too many of us? or too many of the 'wrong sort' should I say?

krakhead · 31-07-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by agneau

Oh really? Take a look at the last sentence in this:

Strikes me as more of a statement - don't it you?

And there's me thinking you were responding to the post you actually quoted!

kweli · 31-07-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by krakhead

And there's me thinking you were responding to the post you actually quoted!

lol.. that was my thoughts too

31-07-2009, 09:30 AM	#1
konik Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 356	'Baby machine' vows to run from authorities A "baby machine" whose 13 children have all been taken into care on account of her bad parenting is threatening to flee the country so she can keep her next child. Theresa Winters, from Bedfordshire in southern England, is now pregnant with her 14th child but faces having it removed by social workers within two years. The unemployed 36-year-old has never been allowed to keep any of her children because of neglect. But now she is threatening to leave the country with partner Toney Housden — who is also a long-term welfare recipient — so that she can retain custody of her latest infant. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aken-care.html comment from Jan Moir courtesy of the daily mail ''Should a woman like Theresa Winters be sterilised? Yes, it is an appalling proposition for a civilised society to even consider. It seems plain wrong to think of interfering with a woman's freedom to have a baby. Yet if ever there was a case for sterilisation by the state, or at least some form of compulsory contraception, then surely it is her. Most definitely it is her. '' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ve-family.html http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/843...pregnant-again

31-07-2009, 12:43 PM	#9
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brainfreeze Inactive Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In Love Posts: 3,948	What problems did they have and how were they dealt with? Were there alcohol or drug issues? Violence? Anti social issues? What was done to assist/encourage the parents in getting well/bettering themselves? Were they offered therapy or rehab or anger managment? Parenting classes? Were they encouraged to keep in contact with their babies, or cut off? What was done other than take their children away? Last edited by brainfreeze; 31-07-2009 at 12:57 PM.

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31-07-2009, 09:35 AM	#2
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31-07-2009, 11:17 AM	#5
brainfreeze Inactive Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In Love Posts: 3,948	I don't blame this women for threatening to run away and have her baby. What has the government/welfare done for her and her partner other than take their children away? Has anything been done to resolve the issues the welfare have with the parents? Surely after 13 children being taken away the issues the parents have must be obvious and so a genuine solution other than the stealing of their offspring should have been devised long before it got to this stage. What help and support have these two had over the years? This is a baby P case in reverse, where the social has fucked the parents instead of the kids.

31-07-2009, 11:33 AM	#7
pinkgrapefruit Premier Subscribers Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 580	I think this woman should be employed by the State to provide it with babies so they wont need to steal them from caring families.

31-07-2009, 12:47 PM	#10
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	What has the government/welfare done for her and her partner? Paid them to have them and now use it for propoganda!