Free Energy... this is incredible!

cruise4 · 09-08-2007, 03:27 AM

I've been looking at this stuff over the last day or so and find it incredible. Free Energy, Zero Point, Over Unity, Hydrogen, Solar... you name it. All appears to be Technology that has existed for years, could have been utilised for years and has been deliberately suppressed for years. Not only that but anyone with a bit of DIY skill should be able to make the kit needed in their back yard. We have all been universally screwed by these so called Fuel Companies. Please look at these links for further information and I urge anyone that can, to download and archive the information. There does seem to be agencies not happy with this info becoming widespread... but they are too late.

Anybody seriously concerned with the environment, the third world, poverty and pollution needs to see this stuff. This tech could do more to end the suffering in this world than anything else I have seen.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/

http://www.waterpoweredcar.com

http://www.knowledgepublications.com/

Media Files
http://befreetech.com/media.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0800&q=water+c ar+inventor+murdered

Distilled water
http://www.solaqua.com

Windmills and solar
http://www.otherpower.com/otherpowerfront.shtml

http://www.penguinslab.com/

http://www.ldolphin.org/energetic.html

http://www.creative-science.org.uk/gensimple1.html

Magnets
http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm

User Groups
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hydroxy/

http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic....er=asc&start=0

auron · 09-08-2007, 05:17 AM

yeiayel · 09-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Using Tesla and others tecnology we can give free energy to whole planet earth. Milions and milions of watts free. And this fools make war for petroleum!

synergy777 · 09-08-2007, 12:05 PM

will check the posts/links, also look inot the electric universe hypothesis, and you realise, its everywhere.

hagbard_celine · 09-08-2007, 06:58 PM

Let nobody believe the hype about them "desperately searching for a practical alternative to fossil fuels, other than dirty, dangerous nuclear fission". When someone actually finds such an alternative the elite show their true colours.

Prime example: In Llanelli, south Wales a few years ago a man decided to start running his diesel car on cooking oil. This is perfectly possible and safe, and it's actually very low emission, less than 20% that of diesel (Don't try this is your car has a petrol (gasoline) engine. It will bung it up good and proper!) The oil doesn't even need to be clean. This guy just went down the local chippie at closing time and asked for the oil they usually just pour down the drain; he took it home, strained the bits out with a sieve and siphoned it into his car's tank. He was crucified by the law! He was dragged up into court and prosecuted for evading the fuel tax! He was fined £1000 for not paying tax on a product he hadn't bought! This shows what a panic the authorities were in to stop him! It also shows the true situation we're in. From the moment we receive a driving license or buy our first car, we are legally obliged to use the fuel provided by official sources. If we don't, well... muggers and burglars sometime get treated more leniently in court.

I mean, what are we going to do!? go up to the chairman of Shell or Exxon and say "Sorry, your services are no longer required."?

synergy777 · 09-08-2007, 07:16 PM

its a racket, run by a cartel, who have a monopoly.

truthsayer · 09-08-2007, 11:22 PM

People who've invented new, clean and free energy have been killed for it.

Their was a guy in Ireland, I remember my dad telling me about him he was under constant guard because of all the attempts on his life; they got him in the end. He'd invented a new car engine that could run on free fuel; water. That was years ago.

I've know about alternative fuels for years through my dad who was always expressing his frustration at how held back we were and all these great new inventions never used because of greed and power mongers.

Back in the 80's my dad informed me they were already doing road side recycling in Germany and we've only really started recycling here in the UK. The UK is pretty slow to pick new things up anyway.

We are being deliberately held back technologically in general though; globally.

Blue Ray for example, fully developed back in the 80's and possibly even earlier, yet is only being utilised now (PS3, etc.).

Its no conspiracy; we are being help back and already have a great many advancements not being used and hidden from us as well as those we know about.

I think, if we knew the full extent of technology in reality of the hidden advancements, we'd be blown away and think we were viewing a sci-fi.

ashyr · 10-08-2007, 03:40 AM

theres so many of these type of sites out there. i think that was a plan from the start , purchase all the crazy types who think they have free energy and manufacture all these hoad free energy devices to confuse and deter the rest of the people working with it.

which are the real ones/. anyone know?

phoenixchilde · 10-08-2007, 03:51 AM

There's a scientist who lives and works just a few cities over from me. He's actually the guy who invented the Canadarm, for those of you who've heard of it. He took the money he made from that(loads) and started his own company devoted to something called the Sterling Engine. It's supposed to be some kind of clean generator, but I have no idea how it works. The company he started is off in the country, protected by high hedges and fences all around. Based on his credentials, and the amount of security he's got, I'd say he's for real.

cruise4 · 10-08-2007, 04:01 AM

The J-cell and water stuff is for real. People have built them and they work. I'd have to say its probably all real until proved otherwise. Looking at the discussion forums helps. There are plans and real products amonst those links you know. And never write anything Tesla did off. True genius!

ngawaka19 · 10-08-2007, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruise4

........ anything Tesla did off. True genius!

I think true alien.

Sad part is 'they' have known about it since 'those ones' arrived early this century.

Why have they chained us to pay for something thats disfunctional to our environment and something we could of had for free and friendlier to our environment....................???????

Why would humans do this??"????

The real question is........who is in control? human or alien??

ashyr · 10-08-2007, 04:12 AM

the jcell is that what divers use?
my father is a profesional diver. "free and tank etc' i rmemeber he had tehse cool little plastic things. looked like GIANT bits of lego. and u put them in salt water and they react making it like a battery so u can have LIGHTS down under the sea.

phoenixchilde · 10-08-2007, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ngawaka19

Why have they chained us to pay for something thats disfunctional to our environment and something we could of had for free and friendlier to our environment....................???????

Money and power, the oldest stories in the book. The gas companies are rich, they've got a monopoly as long as they get along with each other, so they won't give it up.

It's the same reason that the northern hemisphere is largely capitalistic. It's clearly a failed system, but it's still in place because the people in power are all benefitting from it, while the rest of us suffer.

cruise4 · 10-08-2007, 04:28 AM

3 weeks ago a few friends and I decided to make a joe cell...

INTRODUCTION
The results were fasinating, so we went on to make an electrolysis
unit of the same design. We decided as patience is required to make
joe cells, we would continue with the joe cell experiment and move on
to some 'basic' electrolysis in the hope that we could use the extra
current from a cars alternator to improve efficiency (like the hydro
boost system, but bigger!)

316 STAINLESS STEEL
Luckily, we know lots of people that use 316L stainless steel, so off
we went to raid a few scrap bins from local companies...

STAINLESS PARTS LIST:
1 x 11" by 5" Tube
1 x 7" by 4" Tube
2 x 7" by 3" Tube
1 x 7" by 2" Tube
1 x 13" Circle 5mm Thick
1 x 3m threaded bar
32 x Nuts for the threaded bar
4 x bolts for feet (on the base)
1 x massive bolt for the negative electrode
1 x 12" square of 1mm sheet
2 x 3mm by wahtever (it is scrap) plates to use as lids

RUBBER:
Solid O-RING Rubber (spacing tubes)
5mm deep O-RING for the base bolt
3mm Neoprene Sheet
1mm Reinforced Rubber

HYDRAULICS
High Pressure Tube and Connectors
Pressure Gauge 1bar
Pressure Cut Off Switch 15 psi
Gas Tap
Acetylene Torch (to use the gas for welding and cutting)

POWER SYSTEM
1 x pair of jump leads or cable with crocodile clips
1 x rubbish car battery

ELECTROLYTE
water
caustic soda (99.99% sodium hydroxide)

HOW TO BUILD (in brief)
The tubes were positioned on the large stainless circle base, marked
and removed, the circle base was then drilled and tapped to accomodate
the various pipe fittings.
A piece of stainless sheet was cut to make a star shape which is used
to hold the inner tube to the centre bolt (which is also the negative
terminal) see joe cell designs...
The concentric tubes were then fitted together and held in place with
small pieces of solid o-ring rubber. 5" outer tube, with the 4", 3"
and 2" tubes inside, leaving 4cm of free space underneath.

The spare 3" tube is just a flashback bubbler, probably the most
important thing in the system, designed like a bong. The gas coming in
bubbles through the water and the gas going out doesn't. Flashbacks do
occur as acetylene torch arresters do not quite stop the Browns Gas
(Hydroxy, Oxyhydros, HHO...)

The threaded bar was cut into equal lengths (4 x 13" and 4 x 11") and
the whole system is then bolted together. The pressure gauge is fitted
to the bubbler, along with a tube to the acetylene torch.

The cutting torch is amazing...

RESULTS
We bubbled the gas into a full bottle of inverted water to measure the
displacement and therefore the volume of gas produced Wink

Using a current limiting (brand new) power supply and a high quality
(brand new) multimeter we discovered we were producing between 60 and
100 litres of gas per hour with between 12 and 20amps at 12 volts. The
results varied tremendously as you can see, based on electrolyte
concentrations and temperature, the warmer the better.

These results seemed quite promising so we asked an electrical
engineer to do the same power/production test with us and he concluded
the following:

60 litres = 100Wh = 1.6Wh per litre

This is totally rounded down at every stage to give the worst possible
results(ie worst litre production figures used)

Then I noticed Kanarev's results for highly efficient electrolysis:

1000 litres = 4 KWh = 4Wh per litre

FORKLIFT TRUCK
We fitted the gas genertor to a forklift truck, set up to run on
propane. The truck tried to start but didn't seem to have enough gas.
To solve this problem we safely filled a propane can with Brown's Gas
and then reconnected it to the truck. It ran really smooth!

WELDING AND CUTTING
The flame is like a laser, ultra sharp piont and very controllable.
It is true what you read on the web, the flame is not that hot but
when it hits the surface of something it reaches whatever temperature
is required to melt, burn, etc...

CONCLUSION
At least 50% of the people involved have high level degrees and other
qualifications suitable for this kind of experimentation, but to be
honest, no one thought it would work so well... The physics books must
be full of lies! And it easy to see why, if every physics, maths or
chemistry student new that you could 'easily' run a car, cook and heat
your house with water, with no environmental impact and save money, no
one would be pissing about with GREENPEACE and FRIENDS OF THE EARTH...

ARMCHAIR SCIENTISTS
If anyone decides to post negative remarks regarding this project,
please remember, we have done it, it works, it has been checked and
for less than a days work and £200 max, you could help to save the
planet too!

Go on, have a go!

Update:

Since making the torch we have discovered that much smaller tubes can be used. If you use just three tubes of 75mm length, with the biggest diameter being 50mm, then two smaller concentric tubes with no more than 2mm gap between the walls.
Put spacers in between the tubes so they cannot touch each other.
Connect a wire to the bottom of your centre tube
Connect a wire to the top of your outside tube
Now put the tubes in a container tall enough to cover the top of the tubes, like a coffee jar, then fill it with water
Connect the outside tube to the positive of a 12v car battery
Connect the inside to the negative

For instant results you can add a little rock salt or pure caustic soda but with patience the water will produce gradually more and more gas without electrolyte, but if it's slow use salt. I keep meaning to use an acid electrolyte but I've only just remembered it now.

Two of the above devices in Lucozade pop bottles were producing the same amount of gas as the big torch.

For a simple proof you can do the same as above but just use one tube a jar and a stainless bolt, connect the bolt as negative and tube as positive. This is small but you will get bubbles that you can explode with a lighter!

Use 316 food grade stainless steel, this has very little magnetism which helps the electrolysis process.

Thanks for your interest and I really do hope you give it a try, the hydroxy yahoo group seems to be disinformation, they're obsessed with flat plates but I promise you tubes are MUCH better.

Other good stuff is on http://jnaudin.free.fr/ but I haven't made any of it yet.
_________________
Govern : To control

Ment : The mind

cruise4 · 10-08-2007, 04:29 AM

ashyr... tip: Click on the links

adzboarder · 10-08-2007, 01:49 PM

You are all right as usual. I am just going to offer one word, stick it in evil-google if you like and see what happens. Ready:

TESLA

hagbard_celine · 10-08-2007, 04:51 PM

for me, the most interesting "Free Energist" was Viktor Schauberger. he discovered a zero point energy source that is used by nature. It something anyone can observe if you can find a shallow, clear river where you can see the fish swimming. Schauberger, an Austrian, noticed that in winter the trout were able to propell themeselves very forcibly without moving their fins. He found out that this is because they use their gills for propulsion. The water forced through their gills is driven in a particular path that resembles a coiling implosion pattern. If the water flows in this path , and its temperature is below 3 degrees, something out-of-this-world happens: It gains more force than it loses to friction.

Schauberger built a working model of this system and it reached the attention on the Nazis who may well have used it in some of their flying saucer craft.

cruise4 · 11-08-2007, 01:53 AM

Vortex technology:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxtech.htm

Its all good stuff

cruise4 · 11-08-2007, 04:40 AM

Joe Holden - Revolutionary Mini Hydro Power - YouTube

A single simple turbine design, by Joe Holden, (Rolce Royce engine), can power 30 homes! Upwardly scalable. End of the era

cruise4 · 22-09-2007, 05:15 PM

Free Energy Plans and Designs

http://panaceauniversity.org/

You can right click on the page and select 'Download All' (if you have a download manager installed). Filter to PDF and download the lot easily.

http://www.nanodetonator.com/
http://www.nanodetonator.com/TECHNICAL_OVERVIEW.html

Apparently we are about to go massively Nuclear in Britain. What a mockery it all is when we could have free energy for all now.

09-08-2007, 03:27 AM	#1
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	Free Energy... this is incredible! I've been looking at this stuff over the last day or so and find it incredible. Free Energy, Zero Point, Over Unity, Hydrogen, Solar... you name it. All appears to be Technology that has existed for years, could have been utilised for years and has been deliberately suppressed for years. Not only that but anyone with a bit of DIY skill should be able to make the kit needed in their back yard. We have all been universally screwed by these so called Fuel Companies. Please look at these links for further information and I urge anyone that can, to download and archive the information. There does seem to be agencies not happy with this info becoming widespread... but they are too late. Anybody seriously concerned with the environment, the third world, poverty and pollution needs to see this stuff. This tech could do more to end the suffering in this world than anything else I have seen. http://jnaudin.free.fr/ http://www.waterpoweredcar.com http://www.knowledgepublications.com/ Media Files http://befreetech.com/media.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0800&q=water+c ar+inventor+murdered Distilled water http://www.solaqua.com Windmills and solar http://www.otherpower.com/otherpowerfront.shtml http://www.penguinslab.com/ http://www.ldolphin.org/energetic.html http://www.creative-science.org.uk/gensimple1.html Magnets http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm User Groups http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hydroxy/ http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic....er=asc&start=0

09-08-2007, 12:05 PM	#4
synergy777 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,380	will check the posts/links, also look inot the electric universe hypothesis, and you realise, its everywhere. __________________ http://synergy777.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/synergy777 http://www.zazzle.co.uk/synergy777 Fearlessness means faith in God: faith in His protection, His justice, His wisdom, His mercy, His Love, and His omnipresence… To be fit for Self-realization, man must be fearless.— Paramahansa Yogananda

09-08-2007, 06:58 PM	#5
hagbard_celine Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oxford Posts: 4,351	Let nobody believe the hype about them "desperately searching for a practical alternative to fossil fuels, other than dirty, dangerous nuclear fission". When someone actually finds such an alternative the elite show their true colours. Prime example: In Llanelli, south Wales a few years ago a man decided to start running his diesel car on cooking oil. This is perfectly possible and safe, and it's actually very low emission, less than 20% that of diesel (Don't try this is your car has a petrol (gasoline) engine. It will bung it up good and proper!) The oil doesn't even need to be clean. This guy just went down the local chippie at closing time and asked for the oil they usually just pour down the drain; he took it home, strained the bits out with a sieve and siphoned it into his car's tank. He was crucified by the law! He was dragged up into court and prosecuted for evading the fuel tax! He was fined £1000 for not paying tax on a product he hadn't bought! This shows what a panic the authorities were in to stop him! It also shows the true situation we're in. From the moment we receive a driving license or buy our first car, we are legally obliged to use the fuel provided by official sources. If we don't, well... muggers and burglars sometime get treated more leniently in court. I mean, what are we going to do!? go up to the chairman of Shell or Exxon and say "Sorry, your services are no longer required."? __________________ "Lynda, you're sweet. From what I've seen of your world, do you think anybody votes for sweet?" Doctor Who- Bad Wolf. "Because he refused to compete in games for domination he was indomitable." from The Dispossessed by Ursula le Guin

09-08-2007, 07:16 PM	#6
synergy777 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,380	its a racket, run by a cartel, who have a monopoly. __________________ http://synergy777.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/synergy777 http://www.zazzle.co.uk/synergy777 Fearlessness means faith in God: faith in His protection, His justice, His wisdom, His mercy, His Love, and His omnipresence… To be fit for Self-realization, man must be fearless.— Paramahansa Yogananda

09-08-2007, 11:22 PM	#7
truthsayer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Un-united Kingdom Posts: 150	People who've invented new, clean and free energy have been killed for it. Their was a guy in Ireland, I remember my dad telling me about him he was under constant guard because of all the attempts on his life; they got him in the end. He'd invented a new car engine that could run on free fuel; water. That was years ago. I've know about alternative fuels for years through my dad who was always expressing his frustration at how held back we were and all these great new inventions never used because of greed and power mongers. Back in the 80's my dad informed me they were already doing road side recycling in Germany and we've only really started recycling here in the UK. The UK is pretty slow to pick new things up anyway. We are being deliberately held back technologically in general though; globally. Blue Ray for example, fully developed back in the 80's and possibly even earlier, yet is only being utilised now (PS3, etc.). Its no conspiracy; we are being help back and already have a great many advancements not being used and hidden from us as well as those we know about. I think, if we knew the full extent of technology in reality of the hidden advancements, we'd be blown away and think we were viewing a sci-fi. __________________ "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." Pinch of Hope

09-08-2007, 05:17 AM	#2
auron Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: A Love Nest Posts: 4,030

09-08-2007, 10:51 AM	#3
yeiayel Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Italy. Posts: 282	Using Tesla and others tecnology we can give free energy to whole planet earth. Milions and milions of watts free. And this fools make war for petroleum!

10-08-2007, 03:40 AM	#8
ashyr Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anti - Christchurch Posts: 968	theres so many of these type of sites out there. i think that was a plan from the start , purchase all the crazy types who think they have free energy and manufacture all these hoad free energy devices to confuse and deter the rest of the people working with it. which are the real ones/. anyone know?

10-08-2007, 03:51 AM	#9
phoenixchilde Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 309	There's a scientist who lives and works just a few cities over from me. He's actually the guy who invented the Canadarm, for those of you who've heard of it. He took the money he made from that(loads) and started his own company devoted to something called the Sterling Engine. It's supposed to be some kind of clean generator, but I have no idea how it works. The company he started is off in the country, protected by high hedges and fences all around. Based on his credentials, and the amount of security he's got, I'd say he's for real.

10-08-2007, 04:01 AM	#10
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	The J-cell and water stuff is for real. People have built them and they work. I'd have to say its probably all real until proved otherwise. Looking at the discussion forums helps. There are plans and real products amonst those links you know. And never write anything Tesla did off. True genius!

10-08-2007, 04:12 AM	#12
ashyr Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anti - Christchurch Posts: 968	the jcell is that what divers use? my father is a profesional diver. "free and tank etc' i rmemeber he had tehse cool little plastic things. looked like GIANT bits of lego. and u put them in salt water and they react making it like a battery so u can have LIGHTS down under the sea.

10-08-2007, 04:28 AM	#14
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	3 weeks ago a few friends and I decided to make a joe cell... INTRODUCTION The results were fasinating, so we went on to make an electrolysis unit of the same design. We decided as patience is required to make joe cells, we would continue with the joe cell experiment and move on to some 'basic' electrolysis in the hope that we could use the extra current from a cars alternator to improve efficiency (like the hydro boost system, but bigger!) 316 STAINLESS STEEL Luckily, we know lots of people that use 316L stainless steel, so off we went to raid a few scrap bins from local companies... STAINLESS PARTS LIST: 1 x 11" by 5" Tube 1 x 7" by 4" Tube 2 x 7" by 3" Tube 1 x 7" by 2" Tube 1 x 13" Circle 5mm Thick 1 x 3m threaded bar 32 x Nuts for the threaded bar 4 x bolts for feet (on the base) 1 x massive bolt for the negative electrode 1 x 12" square of 1mm sheet 2 x 3mm by wahtever (it is scrap) plates to use as lids RUBBER: Solid O-RING Rubber (spacing tubes) 5mm deep O-RING for the base bolt 3mm Neoprene Sheet 1mm Reinforced Rubber HYDRAULICS High Pressure Tube and Connectors Pressure Gauge 1bar Pressure Cut Off Switch 15 psi Gas Tap Acetylene Torch (to use the gas for welding and cutting) POWER SYSTEM 1 x pair of jump leads or cable with crocodile clips 1 x rubbish car battery ELECTROLYTE water caustic soda (99.99% sodium hydroxide) HOW TO BUILD (in brief) The tubes were positioned on the large stainless circle base, marked and removed, the circle base was then drilled and tapped to accomodate the various pipe fittings. A piece of stainless sheet was cut to make a star shape which is used to hold the inner tube to the centre bolt (which is also the negative terminal) see joe cell designs... The concentric tubes were then fitted together and held in place with small pieces of solid o-ring rubber. 5" outer tube, with the 4", 3" and 2" tubes inside, leaving 4cm of free space underneath. The spare 3" tube is just a flashback bubbler, probably the most important thing in the system, designed like a bong. The gas coming in bubbles through the water and the gas going out doesn't. Flashbacks do occur as acetylene torch arresters do not quite stop the Browns Gas (Hydroxy, Oxyhydros, HHO...) The threaded bar was cut into equal lengths (4 x 13" and 4 x 11") and the whole system is then bolted together. The pressure gauge is fitted to the bubbler, along with a tube to the acetylene torch. The cutting torch is amazing... RESULTS We bubbled the gas into a full bottle of inverted water to measure the displacement and therefore the volume of gas produced Wink Using a current limiting (brand new) power supply and a high quality (brand new) multimeter we discovered we were producing between 60 and 100 litres of gas per hour with between 12 and 20amps at 12 volts. The results varied tremendously as you can see, based on electrolyte concentrations and temperature, the warmer the better. These results seemed quite promising so we asked an electrical engineer to do the same power/production test with us and he concluded the following: 60 litres = 100Wh = 1.6Wh per litre This is totally rounded down at every stage to give the worst possible results(ie worst litre production figures used) Then I noticed Kanarev's results for highly efficient electrolysis: 1000 litres = 4 KWh = 4Wh per litre FORKLIFT TRUCK We fitted the gas genertor to a forklift truck, set up to run on propane. The truck tried to start but didn't seem to have enough gas. To solve this problem we safely filled a propane can with Brown's Gas and then reconnected it to the truck. It ran really smooth! WELDING AND CUTTING The flame is like a laser, ultra sharp piont and very controllable. It is true what you read on the web, the flame is not that hot but when it hits the surface of something it reaches whatever temperature is required to melt, burn, etc... CONCLUSION At least 50% of the people involved have high level degrees and other qualifications suitable for this kind of experimentation, but to be honest, no one thought it would work so well... The physics books must be full of lies! And it easy to see why, if every physics, maths or chemistry student new that you could 'easily' run a car, cook and heat your house with water, with no environmental impact and save money, no one would be pissing about with GREENPEACE and FRIENDS OF THE EARTH... ARMCHAIR SCIENTISTS If anyone decides to post negative remarks regarding this project, please remember, we have done it, it works, it has been checked and for less than a days work and £200 max, you could help to save the planet too! Go on, have a go! Update: Since making the torch we have discovered that much smaller tubes can be used. If you use just three tubes of 75mm length, with the biggest diameter being 50mm, then two smaller concentric tubes with no more than 2mm gap between the walls. Put spacers in between the tubes so they cannot touch each other. Connect a wire to the bottom of your centre tube Connect a wire to the top of your outside tube Now put the tubes in a container tall enough to cover the top of the tubes, like a coffee jar, then fill it with water Connect the outside tube to the positive of a 12v car battery Connect the inside to the negative For instant results you can add a little rock salt or pure caustic soda but with patience the water will produce gradually more and more gas without electrolyte, but if it's slow use salt. I keep meaning to use an acid electrolyte but I've only just remembered it now. Two of the above devices in Lucozade pop bottles were producing the same amount of gas as the big torch. For a simple proof you can do the same as above but just use one tube a jar and a stainless bolt, connect the bolt as negative and tube as positive. This is small but you will get bubbles that you can explode with a lighter! Use 316 food grade stainless steel, this has very little magnetism which helps the electrolysis process. Thanks for your interest and I really do hope you give it a try, the hydroxy yahoo group seems to be disinformation, they're obsessed with flat plates but I promise you tubes are MUCH better. Other good stuff is on http://jnaudin.free.fr/ but I haven't made any of it yet. _________________ Govern : To control Ment : The mind

10-08-2007, 04:29 AM	#15
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	ashyr... tip: Click on the links

10-08-2007, 01:49 PM	#16
adzboarder Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sector 4G Posts: 1,887	You are all right as usual. I am just going to offer one word, stick it in evil-google if you like and see what happens. Ready: TESLA __________________ AdZ (",) Bomb hills not people. Us they sodomise to feed their Enterprise! www.circleofrage.co.uk < Like punk music? This world is scary. Everything is OK -http://eiok.wordpress.com/ - My Blog.

10-08-2007, 04:51 PM	#17
hagbard_celine Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oxford Posts: 4,351	for me, the most interesting "Free Energist" was Viktor Schauberger. he discovered a zero point energy source that is used by nature. It something anyone can observe if you can find a shallow, clear river where you can see the fish swimming. Schauberger, an Austrian, noticed that in winter the trout were able to propell themeselves very forcibly without moving their fins. He found out that this is because they use their gills for propulsion. The water forced through their gills is driven in a particular path that resembles a coiling implosion pattern. If the water flows in this path , and its temperature is below 3 degrees, something out-of-this-world happens: It gains more force than it loses to friction. Schauberger built a working model of this system and it reached the attention on the Nazis who may well have used it in some of their flying saucer craft. __________________ "Lynda, you're sweet. From what I've seen of your world, do you think anybody votes for sweet?" Doctor Who- Bad Wolf. "Because he refused to compete in games for domination he was indomitable." from The Dispossessed by Ursula le Guin

11-08-2007, 01:53 AM	#18
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	Vortex technology: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxtech.htm Its all good stuff

22-09-2007, 05:15 PM	#20
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	Free Energy Plans and Designs http://panaceauniversity.org/ You can right click on the page and select 'Download All' (if you have a download manager installed). Filter to PDF and download the lot easily. http://www.nanodetonator.com/ http://www.nanodetonator.com/TECHNICAL_OVERVIEW.html Apparently we are about to go massively Nuclear in Britain. What a mockery it all is when we could have free energy for all now.