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Old 16-07-2009, 03:40 PM   #1
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Here's an interesting article shamelessly stolen from James Rawles' www.survivalblog.com covering self defense in states and countries that are not particularly "hand-gun friendly" (like the UK). I hope this is useful to you all. JP

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Thursday July 16 2009
Letter Re: Recommendations on Discreet Self Defense Weapons and Training

Mr. Rawles:
I am at a disadvantage to your American readers. I live in a suburb of London, and travel by train to work each day. Street crime is now out of control in some neighbourhoods, but I cannot carry a weapon. I must say that I'm envious of Americans that can carry concealed pistols and revolvers. Here, I cannot even carry a pocket knife. Are martial arts effective, and if they indeed are, then which one will be most effective with not too much time for training? What do you suggest? Thanking You in Advance, - G.H. in England

JWR Replies: I wrote the following for SurvivalBlog back in 2006. I'm re-posting it, along with an update, for the benefit of the many readers that have come on board more recently:

I highly recommend training to use a cane, walking stick, or a traditional full-length umbrella. This is particularly important for our readers like you that live in gun-unfriendly nations. Ditto for our readers that live in states like California, New York, and New Jersey where is is very difficult for mere mortals to get a carrying concealed weapon (CCW) permit. And even if you are a concealed firearms permit holder, you should learn these valuable skills. Why? You never know when circumstances might dictate that you cannot carry a pistol. (For example, when traveling to a state where your CCW permit is not valid, or when traveling overseas.)

Here is a forward from firearms instructor John Farnam, by way of SurvivalBlog reader Grampa Redd:

"I attended a stick/cane-fighting seminar yesterday, instructed by Peter Donello of Canemasters. Canemasters manufacturers high-quality canes and walking sticks and provides training in their use. However, I used my Cold Steel City Stick, as did several other students.

I was astonished at the number of effective moves available to the cane/stick fighter, certainly more than I can remember! Peter's knowledge is vast, and I did my best to catalog the few that I thought were most effective and easiest to learn. Range is the big advantage that canes have over blades and other impact weapons.

Striking and jabbing are still the premiere moves, easily done with nearly any style of cane. Some follow-up moves and holds and more comfortably accomplished with a hooked cane than with a straight stick, but either style works just fine. The real question is: What can I have with me most often that attracts the least attention?

This four-hour clinic is something I recommend to everyone. The cane is a wonderful, low-profile, yet extremely effective fighting tool that most people can fit into their lives with a minimum of lifestyle disruption. Most casual observers don't even notice when you have one with you and certainly don't believe them to represent a threat. Time well spent!"

As for walking stick designs: From what I have heard and observed here in the U.S., if you are well dressed and groomed, then law enforcement officers in most jurisdictions will hardly give you a second glance if you are carrying a walking stick. But if you are shabby looking and perceived as "riffraff", then expect to get plenty of grief. Canes, especially aluminum ones those that look like true walking aids, are far less likely to attract suspicion than walking sticks. I have an acquaintance who lives in Oakland, California who carries a dull silver aluminum cane with a big rubber tip. This cane looks very unobtrusive if not downright innocuous. It is not until you pick it up that you realize that it has been retrofitted with a 1/2"steel rod firmly epoxied into its hollow core. The phrase "the iron fist in the velvet glove" comes to mind!

I have another acquaintance that lives in a very rainy climate, near Seattle, Washington. He makes a habit of carrying a stout full length traditional umbrella whenever he gets out of his car. Aside for misplacing several umbrellas over the years (a fairly costly mistake, since he carries a big sturdy umbrella which cost around $60 each), he has had no trouble. (And, by God's grace, he has only had need to use it to protect himself from rain showers.) Nearly all of the stick/cane fighting techniques apply to folded umbrellas, and they can also be used quite effectively for jabbing.

My general preference is to use a shoulder-width two handed grip grip in most situations, to maintain control and more importantly to assure retention of the stick. This is akin to what has been taught for many years by police academies in the use of long ("riot") batons. The last thing that you want to happen is to have Mr. Bad Guy gain control of your weapon. If that were to happen, you would become he "Owie" recipient instead of the Owie distributor!

Do some research on your local laws. In most jurisdictions, any blow with a striking weapon to the neck or head is considered potentially lethal. Police academies emphasize this in their baton training. ("Never strike above the chest unless you you would in the same circumstances draw your pistol and fire.") So don't escalate to doing so unless you absolutely confident that your life is threatened and you have no other choice. (Essentially it is the same as firing a gun--at least in the eyes of the law.) It may sound sissified and a bit too prim, proper, and "Queensbury Rules", but most courts look at things in terms of equal force and a graduated response, roughly as follows: If Mr. Bad Guy uses his fists, then you can use your fists. If he uses a weapon, then you can use a like weapon. If he strikes above the chest, then you can strike above the chest. As a practical matter, there are no rules in trying to save your life in a street fight, but apparently there are in court houses, post facto. Yes, I realize that graduated response is not realistic to expect, since street fights are fast and furious. Most victims don't even recognize that their attacker is using a weapon until after the incident is over. (The classic victim's police statement is: "I thought that he was punching me until is saw the blood, and it wasn't until then that I realized he had used a knife on me.") But again, a graduated response is what courts will expect in order to make a ruling of justifiable force in self defense.

Don't forget that we live in a litigious era, so expect prosecution and/or a civil lawsuit in the event that you are forced to use a weapon in self defense, even if you were entirely in the right. Show restraint, and never deal out punishment. Just reduce the threat with a quick jab or two, disengage, and then engage your Nike-jitsu technique. (Run!)

If you get into an absolutely lethal brawl (a truly "kill or get killed" situation) and you cannot disengage, then by all means aim where you can do the most damage: The front or side of the neck. The human neck is soft tissue, a bundle of nerves, veins, arteries, and wind pipe. It is your surest target to end a fight quickly and decisively. (The same goes for hand-to-hand combat. Aim your punches at his throat.) But again, it is also your surest way to find your way to a courtroom. I can't stress this enough: show discretion!

When carrying a weapon of any sort for self defense, be sure to develop the same Condition White/Yellow/Amber/Red situational awareness skills that you would for carrying a concealed firearm. (See Naish Piazza's article "The Color Code of Mental Awareness", available free at the Front Sight web site. (Click on "Special Offers" and then on the link for "15 Gun Training Reports free of charge.") Extensive training on self defense combative techniques is worthless if you don't see an attack Be alert.

If you don't live near a school that teaches cane and stick fighting, there is a 40 minute training DVD produced by the Gunsite academy, titled: "Defensive Techniques: Walking Stick." It is available from the Gunsite Internet Pro Shop. (The latter does not accept overseas orders.) OBTW, one of my readers also recommended Lenny Magill's training DVD "Mastering the Walking Stick".

I should also mention that modern self defense with a walking stick ("Bartitsu") was first popularized by Edward W. Barton-Wright. His classic 1901 magazine article on walking stick self defense is available for free download. See: Part 1 and Part 2. These techniques are weak on weapon retention, but it otherwise is still fairly valid, even after more than a century.

Update for 2009 on Yawaras and Kubotans
For discreet carry, don't overlook the potential effectiveness of short striking weapons such as Yawara sticks and Kubotans. Since these self defense tools are restricted in many locales, I recommend instead carrying a Cold Steel Pocket Shark pen that has had its markings scraped or sanded off. Outwardly, this stout little weapon will pass for a marking pen. (And it fact, it is a marking pen, which should get you past all but the most rigorous security checkpoints.)

Some martial arts dojos offer yawara stick training. These are derivations of the ancient "closed sheath" Japanese striking techniques. These classes are offered by both karate and Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) academies. Just be forewarned that many dojos require at least brown belt ranking as a prerequisite for anything beyond "empty hand" classes. This means a lot of time and money before they will teach you how to use a yawara!

Although they are no substitute for hands-on training from a master, there are several training DVDs that can give you a head start. These include Yawara Kata Training by Maurey Levitz, Kubotans & Yawaras by Sammy Franco, and The Persuader (also known as the Kubotan or Yawara) by George Sylvan.

In closing, I must repeat that situational awareness is crucial. You mind in your primary self-defense weapon. With the right training and a survivor's mindset, just about any small sturdy object found close at hand can be used as a weapon--even a pocket comb or just a tightly-rolled magazine or newspaper. Get the training, practice often, never travel unarmed, and maintain "Condition Yellow", as a minimum.
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Old 17-07-2009, 01:00 AM   #2
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You can get umbrella's that are pretty handy:


Pricy but worth it and legal too
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Old 09-09-2010, 12:55 PM   #3
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I made a very discreet defense mechanism which I keep on me at all times including an aluminium turned bar, 6 inches long and a half inch thick I then braised a small ring to one end so that I can keep my keys on it, it is a very effective tool and with a small knowledge you can cause a great deal of pain to any attacker. I have also a thin but well made "dogs leash" chain that has a 6 oz steel ball at the end, by keeping it short, you have a deadly foldaway club. A steel parker pen is an effective defensive weapon and believe me getting "stabbed" is excrutiatingly painfull in the right place. Do not go looking for expensive, flashy looking weaponry, most of what you can use in a defensive situation is often within reach, a nail (stabbing) a brick (clubbing) dogturd (horrifying) believe me it works, I was attacked in central london by a guy demanding I empty my pockets and on the floor a foot away by the wall was a really nasty looking turd, I picked it up and offered him it, he freaked and ran away (absolutely true) a mate of mine was in St Pauls in Bristol when a guy stepped out of a bush and told him to empty his pockets, my mate flicked a dog turd with his foot at the bloke it landed on his shirt, the guy freaked out giving my friend time to escape. It isnt always about fighting and winning, its just about getting out of the situation, it should only ever be about getting away whilst expending the minimum amount of energy that you will need to run, running isnt cowardice, it is survival.
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Old 09-09-2010, 01:03 PM   #4
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If however you have an attacker that is intent upon bringing your life to an end and will not let you escape, then you have to be prepared to cause serious injury, never go for the death option. How you deal with it is entirely situation dependant. The environment, ie are you in a room, a house what "weapons" are to hand? kitchen cleaners particularly oven cleaners are full of acid so spray it into their eyes, this will totally disable them, but they may grab you in a deathlock desparate to hold you, but you will have grabbed a sharp fork which you will stab as hard as you can into the groin, they wont hold you for long.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:34 PM   #5
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Anything with a little heft that a hand can close around to make a fist, while the object protrudes slightly either side of your clenched fist, can be used to deliver hammerfists and side punches to any attacker's head that comes within your reach. If it can barely be seen, even better, because the fuckwit doesn't even know what has hit them. Obviously this is only useful with a single attacker who has got too close, but if there is more than one, unless you are extremely confident in your abilities, the trick is to run.
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Old 18-12-2010, 04:38 AM   #6
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You can get umbrella's that are pretty handy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8G5zsQohg

Pricy but worth it and legal too
I'll see your Umbrella and raise you a shovel


No law on these but its best left with the car as it may raise an eyebrow or two.

Also a AAA maglite is an excellent kabuton.
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Old 29-12-2010, 04:06 PM   #7
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Attend a good local (Japanese themed) JuJitsu club.
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Attend a good local (Japanese themed) JuJitsu club.
A good point, you could always become the weapon instead of needing one.

If you can find a teacher krav maga would also be a good choice.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIqihUYb_JA

No law on these but its best left with the car as it may raise an eyebrow or two.

Also a AAA maglite is an excellent kabuton.
The Russian martial art "Systema" uses a shovel for close-quarters combat.



I have a AAA mini mag lite with a chain for medical ID bracelet on it -- pretty near unbreakable in normal use -- with a big ball of key rings on the other end. I can even take it on a plane.

My key ball also has one of these things


Mine came from the local hardware chain. Piece of crap, but pointy if it hits someone upside the head.
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I had not come across systema before, but it looks very much like krav maga and caporeia (sp?) in that it works with the bodys natural energies and movements. thanks for the introduction.

Oh and the shovel is a beauty to use in many situations, fortunately have not had to use it to defend myself and hopefully never will.

Still at least it could be used to clean up after.
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A good point, you could always become the weapon instead of needing one.

If you can find a teacher krav maga would also be a good choice.
Krav Maga is an amazing form of lethal self defence. Whether you wield a weapon or become one people who are prone to being attacked have a certain demeanour. This has to change before anything else. The victim mentality must be overcome.

Geoff Thompson wrote an excellent book on fear. The advice contained inside is better than a weapon. It's a state of mind.
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By far the best tools for self-defence are the two long things your feet are attached to. If you use your legs and run away, there is very little situation you can't get yourself out of.

Of course, sorry, that's not very macho is it!
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By far the best tools for self-defence are the two long things your feet are attached to. If you use your legs and run away, there is very little situation you can't get yourself out of.

Of course, sorry, that's not very macho is it!
Nor is it very practical if you're 70 years old and your attacker is in his teens or twenties. I don't give a damn about "macho". I care very much about some thug trying to kill me or a member of my family by whatever means he can.

My primary rule of fighting is "bring a gun. Bring two guns if possible. Bring all my friends with guns. Cheat. Win by any means necessary. And if it turns out to be a 'fair fight', then I badly miscalculated!"
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Carry some hairspray!! Men use it as well! You could always carry a lighter/or matches too! The first sign of trouble - and you have a very handy blowtorch!! Check for wind direction first!!
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Enter another mans castle, univited, and prepare to die - what can be more clear than that - allow people to defend their homes and contents (includes other family members etc.) with hand guns and burglary would become very rare indeed.

Some states in USA where they allow this now, deaths/manslaughter's have gone up between 7-9% - that means a lot less criminals who do house break-ins!
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Win by any means necessary. And if it turns out to be a 'fair fight', then I badly miscalculated!"
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You can always buy an antique sword stick off me

Only antique ones are legal others are considered concealed weapons.

They look like a normal cane but you would need damn good excuse for carrying it in public if found out. Like your going to an antiques shop/shop to sell it

Alternately Akido looks interesting.

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30" dog chain attached to a comfy lead.

"was in my coat pocket after walking the dog ocifer"
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I currently live out in the sticks and although its quite unlikely that anyone will come this way in a SHTF situation, I'am still quite concerned about possible break ins.

A cottage half a mile away from us got broken into the other year and things were taken from downstairs whilst the older couple were still upstairs in the house. This makes me a bit concerned for our safety, especially for my missus as she is only tiny.

Anyway, I was considering buying a half decent crossbow with some hunting tips. If that doesn't have the desired visible deterrent then it sure as hell has the stopping power. I would actually rather be shot with a 9mm than a 300Ib crossbow at short range with hunting tips.

Other than that, all jokes aside, I was actually thinking of getting a spear. I know it sounds retarded but if someone has a knife you want to keep them as far away from you as possible. A spear can do that well, and if you want the offensive you can even throw the thing if need be.
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Im sure there are lots of people reading this thread who are thinking the same as me....

I decline to comment on this thread because this is a public forum........all n sundry can see....hence Im not commenting on things for that reason.

Was that diplomatic enough? did I go too far?? lol
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