Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

[drhemp]

From the IACM-Bulletin of 5 July 2009

Science: The development of the number of new schizophrenia cases in the UK does not support the hypothesis that cannabis use increases schizophrenia risk.

According to research of scientists at Keele University in
Staffordshire, UK, the incidence (the number of new diagnosed cases) of
schizophrenia in the years 1996 to 2005 does not support the hypothesis
that cannabis use increases the risk for the development of
schizophrenia or psychosis. For this study an analysis of data from 183
practices in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland was
conducted. The study cohort comprised almost 600,000 patients each year,
representing approximately 2.3 per cent of the UK population aged 16 to
44. Between 1996 and 2005 the incidence of schizophrenia and psychoses
were either stable or declining.

A recently published study found that cannabis use increased fourfold
between 1972 and 2002 and 18-fold among people under 18 years of age. If
the risk of schizophrenia is elevated 1.8-fold among light users and
3.1-fold among heavy users as suggested by another study, and assuming
an elevated risk for 20 years, an increase in schizophrenia incidence of
29 per cent would have been expected between 1996 and 2005. Researches
concluded that "the causal models linking cannabis with
schizophrenia/psychoses are not supported by this study" and that "the
underlying causes of schizophrenia/psychoses remained stable/declined
over the study period."

(Source: Frisher M, Crome I, Martino O, Croft P. Assessing the impact of
cannabis use on trends in diagnosed schizophrenia in the United Kingdom
from 1996 to 2005. Schizophr Res. 2009 Jun 26. [Electronic publication
ahead of print])

... but this means our Government have been lying to us?

Sorry boys and girls, but our Government are liars.

[grenadene]

I thought I was just paranoid

[flip side]

Cannabis is obviously ostracised for it's mind expanding potential, original thoughts and an inquisitive mind is something the UK government dont particularly like. I wonder why So the UK government suggest cannabis causes schizophrenia in the hope that anyone with an inquisitive mind is dismissed as being mentally ill due to their cannabis consumption and frighten other non users to stay off the grass.

Of course, I'm not saying that only cannabis users possess original thoughts but it certainly is a key to opening the mind further.

Just my two pence on the 'schizophrenic' label.

[metacomet]

Cannabis does cause paranoia with new users though... and it can be intense.

Being stoned in public and walking through crowded areas is torturous for some individuals.... you have to develop an immunity to it.

The effects are only slightly similar to schizophrenia (if you want to really bend the definition of schizophrenic thoughts).

I will however say this:

LSD does create schizophrenia. Big time.

It might depend on the source of the Acid in question but once you drop it - if you are walking through a crowd of people everything you hear is interpreted by the mind as a message to yourself.

If people are talking to eachother about how they need to do this or that 'I need to bring my tools up from the house' - the schizophrenic quality of acid interpret it as 'This guy walking past us is a tool. He should go back to his house.'

It's not just that you mishear things, it's that everything becomes directed at you specifically. This is schizophrenia.

Leave it to a military created drug to do that .

Natural drugs like cannabis or mushrooms tend to do something else... you feel the natural environment communicating to you, as opposed to dwelling so much on other people's speech. And instead of feeling harshly judged or being the topic of discussion, on shrooms, any topic becomes relative to your entire life experience.

If you are on shrooms and someone says 'The sky is so beautiful tonight' - they can be completely sober but you feel that the universe is speaking through them, to put the aknowledgement in your head, that "yes, I have made the sky especially beautiful for you tonight".

When on shrooms, wind can rustle the grass and you interpret the grass moving as a dance for you to witness. It's profound.

So much better than Acid.

Kind of straying off topic, sorry. But I am very interested in schizophrenia and drugs and what we can learn from the two in relation to eachother. It's all about perspective of how the 'I' or the 'ego' is being communicated to by life.

[drhemp]

They lost the argument for prohibition and the tide was turning for the re-legalisation of cannabis, but the New World Order didn't want this, so they made up this rubbish about cannabis in a feeble attempt to justify the continuation of their failed policies.

[deafbred]

through fear and arrow slings of judgments..... people in the wrong, singing their profane song, bringing to nothing, what IS, so they can rule on the rubble of what was your former potentialed life, bringing strife, in the night, their plight is that you are to free. free to be, you could see, their deeds, they tare at your feet, all kinds of decete, creed of created wicked chickens, unable to face themselves, so they put you on a shelf, pelting you with rocks, so they can dance aloof in their loft of crock


metacomet - sorry not for your post, im glad you took the time to make it. i read the whole thing. very interesting.

drhemp- they definetly don't want to legalize weed for sure- they want to keep us deaf dumb blind and stupid.. we are more easily managed and CONtrolled that way- weed counter acts ALL the nonsense- it changes the pace of the RAT race- slows things down so you can see what happening all around. actually... it doesn't so much slow things down.. as it allows you to SEE more in the inbetweens of what is happening in the constant flow of life in the fast haste -Now- ~always,

because information input is stablized and you are able to manage the many thoughts, influences, insights and going on's in the working world around you, which in turn makes us more strong, stabilized, informed- spiritually and physically, structured strong legged foothold, pillared legs unable to be toppled into a cage of fascism, to see and ---hear------ the lie infront of our face, able to think less shallow and obscure, to make more wiser decisions, a buffer to stop the flood of chaos our lives seem to be made to be now a days in a society sea wave sickness intentionally "set up" to compromise us all so we live not freely, because if we did... there wouldn't be any room left for the ignorance which is currently blooming the enslavement finalie we see TOday

[runlikehell]

Originally Posted by metacomet

I will however say this:

LSD does create schizophrenia. Big time.

It might depend on the source of the Acid in question but once you drop it - if you are walking through a crowd of people everything you hear is interpreted by the mind as a message to yourself.

If people are talking to eachother about how they need to do this or that 'I need to bring my tools up from the house' - the schizophrenic quality of acid interpret it as 'This guy walking past us is a tool. He should go back to his house.'

It's not just that you mishear things, it's that everything becomes directed at you specifically. This is schizophrenia.


If you are on shrooms and someone says 'The sky is so beautiful tonight' - they can be completely sober but you feel that the universe is speaking through them, to put the aknowledgement in your head, that "yes, I have made the sky especially beautiful for you tonight".

When on shrooms, wind can rustle the grass and you interpret the grass moving as a dance for you to witness. It's profound.

So much better than Acid.

I know a guy in his fourtys im afraid he's a bit retarded, very timid and shy who got bullied from some people he hung out with in pubs he went to.

he's is not normaly aggressive but, he onetime he took an acid, and was walking about giving people a telling off and threating them for taking the piss outta him

Basicly his trip was that he was normal (Normal because the way he was being treated isent normal, it was awful) he found confidence, was out going, out spoken, stuck up for himself, and was chatting up the women! the change in him was absolutely amazing!

Best of all he managed to hold on to some of the possitive aspects still to this day.

[truedruid]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...sk-459458.html

The great cannabis debate: 50 top experts confirm mental health risk

I believe this is whats causing mental illness. One psyhcologist will say cannabis does not cause mental illness, but the powers to be will pay fifty to say it does. This is the biggest conspiracy there is.

P.S Dont bother reading the link it claims skunk is stronger than resin. Top experts, maybe they need to do some homework.

P.P.S

LSD does create schizophrenia. Big time.

LSD was created to help with schizophrenia, I don't think you mean causes schizophrenia, you mean great trips.

[deafbred]

Originally Posted by runlikehell

...Basicly his trip was that he was normal (Normal because the way he was being treated isent normal,

"guilty because they say you are guilty" but they are guilty because 'THEY' are in THE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crossing the line


wow next time someone makes fun of me, imma remember this.. I am normal...because.... the way i am being TREATED.. ISN'T NORMAL!!!!!!

So true!

[elixirsoo]

For me the great bugbear in any discussion regarding cannabis is that their is seldom any distinction made between the various kinds. I have never had any problems at all with smoking grass, i.e. plain leaves. Bud is totally different and I avoid it like the plague. Resin has too many unknowns and I tend to avoid that too.

Until people actually specify what their version of cannabis is the whole debate seems rather pointless... Any response on the validity of my point are very welcome, because I do believe this is a big barrier in the debate.

[supertzar]

I would be willing to bet all my money that Cannabis helps a huge number of people to manage their schizophrenic tendencies as well as other mental health diseases and disorders.

[gremlin]

it does cause schizophrenia

[eternal_spirit]

I've seen far more paranoid schizophrenic behaviour from alcoholics.

[danceswithbunnies]

Civilization causes schizophrenia...

In fact because we have one of the most repressed societies, and the most surveiled in the history of the world...with more retarded laws circumscribing your every move...it has pretty much squeezed the life out of Humans altogether..might as well have aplanet full of robots.

Society and civilization as UNNATURAL as they are, is what is cauusing the huge unprecedented increase in mental aberration.

If anything, smoking pot would probably alleviate that effect.

[lester diamond]

I have smoked cannabis for 18 years and have no mental health issues whatsoever, so saying cannabis causes schizophrenia is bullshit. If it did surely i would be suffering in some way as i have smoked cannabis daily for years on end. The truth is cannabis (and lsd) are very subjective substances and each person has a different experience when taking them and different after effects. To make a definitive statement that they cause a disease is just plain stupid, its like saying everyone who drinks alcahol will become violent its not true. Medical studies and such are not very reliable either as the dont take other factors into account such as the use of other drugs or existing mental health issues and you need to look at who is funding the study and what agendas they have.

[eternal_spirit]

Also just because someone is schizophrenic and they use cannabis doesn't prove that it's cannabis that caused their schizophrenia. Other factors are the cause.

Schizoid episodes I think I read can happen to anyone, it's like having a short term bout of schizophrenic symptoms and behaviours, which only lasts for short periods then subsides, although some people can have repeats of these episodes all their life.

There's a fine line between spiritual experiences and schizophrenia. It's argued they are one in the same.

Psychic enhancemnets from cannabis, opening the third eye etc. It can have better results for some people than meditation and indeed alters the frequency of brainwaves and alters brain chemistry, thus altering and enhancing perceptions.

[kingmob]

Schizophrenia is just a disbalance between Right and Left hemispheres of your brain. Most schizos are either completely operationg on the left side or right, and have no linkage between.

[deca]

canabis does not cause schizophrenia ether does LSD

you might have similar symptoms taken these that might get you miss diagnosed or if you do get diagnosed as a schizophrenic and you have a history of taken Drugs they will put it down as a contribution factor.....they don`t know what cause "schizophrenia" there is no single cause it a collection of disorders and behaviors.

LSD makes you hallucinate for a few hours(12ish) then wares off

cannabis might effect your short term memory with prolonged use

both pro badly change your views and opinions and behavior .
If you party and abuse any sort of drug you might find it hard to adjust back it so called normal life.
and have psychological and socially problems and if you find your self under psychiatry they will tell you are mentally ill if they are outwith the so called norm and give you a box of pills and a label

Signs and symptoms

A person diagnosed with schizophrenia may demonstrate auditory hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized and unusual thinking and speech; this may range from loss of train of thought and subject flow, with sentences only loosely connected in meaning, to incoherence, known as word salad, in severe cases. Social isolation commonly occurs for a variety of reasons. Impairment in social cognition is associated with schizophrenia, as are symptoms of paranoia from delusions and hallucinations, and the negative symptoms of avolition (apathy or lack of motivation). In one uncommon subtype, the person may be largely mute, remain motionless in bizarre postures, or exhibit purposeless agitation; these are signs of catatonia. No one sign is diagnostic of schizophrenia, and all can occur in other medical and psychiatric conditions.[4] The current classification of psychoses holds that symptoms need to have been present for at least one month in a period of at least six months of disturbed functioning. A schizophrenia-like psychosis of shorter duration is termed a schizophreniform disorder.[4]

[deafbred]

"your take on the whole state of affairs"

"artificially divided"

"they really don't care"

Originally Posted by elixirsoo

For me the great bugbear in any discussion regarding cannabis is that their is seldom any distinction made between the various kinds. I have never had any problems at all with smoking grass, i.e. plain leaves. Bud is totally different and I avoid it like the plague. Resin has too many unknowns and I tend to avoid that too.

Until people actually specify what their version of cannabis is the whole debate seems rather pointless... Any response on the validity of my point are very welcome, because I do believe this is a big barrier in the debate.

sativa strains are tall lenky plants that take up to 14 weeks or more to flower

indica strains are short stout bigger leaves unlike the skinny leafs of the sativas, and take shorter time periods to bloom. 8 weeks.

sativa strain equals 'HAZE' indica strain equals ...'White Widow'

there are many types of strains in each catergorie and some are even a mix of both indica and sativa.

sativa is a head high, cerebral clear head high and is more flowing unlike indica which gives you body lock couch munchies

there is no sativa strains mainly on the streets because the growers who deal and want to make money, don't want to wait so long for sativa strains to bloom.

though the sativa strains are more valuable and desired for their high high's


there isn't much of it on the street also to because... sativa strains don't bloom as much weight as the compact denser indica strains.

there has even been cases of people adding glass beads to bags of weed to get it to weigh more for profit.

right now as it is, society doesn't have much access if any to sativa clear head high strains.

the new world order, "wants to control your intelect"

indica strains are a STONY STONED feeling.. you can't really think flow free as much with indica strains because its such a stoney cloudy type body high that makes you like a statue

it harder to talk and hold conversations on indica where as sativa is so... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~free flowing, high, that allows you to not get caught up in the stonery aspects the indicas deliver to punch your body to a slower physical state of globby like movement where it is harder to interact with the more fast paced world. indica's tend to... suck the energy out of you where as the sativas give you energy and vibe a higher high because of the higher wavelength growth telemetry its on.

as it is now, society is HELD in a indica world. this is why we get all the judgments in movies like "your a stoner" "your dumb" "your slow" ...all those stereotypes that box us in to make it seem like weed is a bad thing.

indica strains help kill the pain in the body, and make it so you can't feel the body as much, so as you can imagine.. this would change and effect interactions in the un-weeded world.

but sativa.. doesn't do this AT ALL. you inhale it.. and it doesn't hindure your speech or talk. it actually gives you energy. livens you up. its a clearer high than indicas, as i have stated. that is why they call it a cereberal head high.

it a real high. not a body high. but an aspect high that ..is way more clear on the different levels of weed inhalation high's.

the weed on the street is like cardboard. mostly people should smoke cardboard because the weed on the street (indica) even though weed.. isn't grown right, has nutrients in it that wern't flushed out from the plant leaf material and.... wasn't grown right to full potential. so not to mention the fact that you arn't even getting the best potentialed indicas.. even the indicas are slopped out apon us declared a weed and by some a good weed "bomb weed" etc.. when it isn't even close to being weed at all. because..

the weed on the street is so tainted, and 'touched' so much and 'handled' that it knocks off all the trichome heads which contain the THC which 'get you high' molecularly attaching themselves to the recpetors on your brain to activate effects which are there in nature for A REASON. not TREASON. all the stuff on the earth, plants, etc, were put there for a REASON, and it is UP TO US as a "human species" or whatever you want to call "us" .... TO HAVE DOMINON OVER THE EARTH AND THE THINGS THAT CRAWL AND LIVE AMOUNGST US ON THE EARTH. So... for the Government to say that we don't have the RIGHT TO RESPONSIBILITY to control our OWN ENVIRONMENT and BODIES... is totally REDICULOUS and IGNORANT and DISORDERLY


these are what the trichomes look like, on the plant, which only bloom out on the leaf after weeks of flowering.. and which only THC fully develops in the later end stages of plant bloom growth development



here are the differences between indica and sativa (pictures)



Sativa to the Left, Indica to the Right, Sativa tall lenky thin leaf plant growing in hotter climates and indica stout fat leaf short plant, shorting blooming period





The ONLY reason I ever smoked weed and researched it was/is BECAUSE, i was put through the DARE program in school. They said it was green stuff in a bag and very DANGEROUS. Thats all I rememberd. But when I learned it was a plant. I couldn't believe it.

A WAR ON NATURE. A WAR ON MALE/ FEMALE- A WAR ON POLLENATION, A WAR ON SEEDS, A WAR ON GROWTH, A WAR ON OXYGEN, A WAR ON SOIL, etc etc etc

Originally Posted by legendary

indeed cured skunk is one of the finest things on the planet just got back from amsterdam on the 12th got a nice harvest coming along soon too

sativa's are more like a fine wine indica's are like a nice bottle of JD lol

from the effect smoking marijuana thread - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30480&

some of posts i made der

a http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=321

b http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=238

c http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=223

d http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=227

e http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=228

f http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=212

g http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=220

h http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=208

i http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=199

j http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=341

k http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=358

is you skip down on this post on another thread...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=21

you will see where i touched apon 'trichomes'

[always_rebel]

Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

I'm soooooo surprised









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