French plane lost over Atlantic - Page 2

dangermouse · 01-06-2009, 02:36 PM

maybe they have crash landed ...^^
or gone into a dimensional rift

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 02:37 PM

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/vid...azil_to_France

gilly · 01-06-2009, 02:43 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8076848.stm

The above is a report from 57 min's. ago. It says the nationalities of passengers isn't being disclosed yet.

But I saw several articles earlier, which said there were 60 French & 3 Italians on board - wo what's the secrecy about?

They're speculating here that the plane could have been hit by lightening. I thought they had a way of tracking electrical storms? All other reports I've seen mention turbulent weather, but not electrical storms.

The above may amount to nothing, but it looks like any anomolies in reporting make me suspicious.

scuzz · 01-06-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazaaap

it only traveled 1500 miles in 4 hours? 5MPH in a plane - ermmm! yeah right!

the plane should be around 3000 miles away from rio in 4 hours

what a crock of shit!

Learn to Maths.

3k miles in 4hrs = 750Mph - its not concorde
As it stands - thats 375 per hour, less take off buggering about is reasonably correct.

hunger · 01-06-2009, 02:48 PM

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lostwonderer · 01-06-2009, 02:52 PM

Bermuda Triangle?

LOST, most definitely springs to mind....

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuzz

Learn to Maths.

3k miles in 4hrs = 750Mph - its not concorde
As it stands - thats 375 per hour, less take off buggering about is reasonably correct.

Cruise
speed: 860 km/h. - Result: 534.38 Miles/hour (mph)

so say 1900 - 2100 miles still not where they are looking - last i checked 200 - 300 miles was a large distance appart!

but if you are just here to defend the MSM then i shall let you continue.

scuzz · 01-06-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazaaap

also these guys know exactly the flight path within meters of where they are over the sea!

technology is far more cleverer than we lost a signal and the plane has vanished - they just need to work out the planed course and the last computer reading of the fuel consumption etc... all the plane stats are sent to control so that they can be monitored - pilots hardly do anything now.

I'll call bullshit on this one. They know the path, and they know roughly how far its gone, but that's it. There's a whole slew of things that can change where its supposed to be, for example, dodging seriously heavy weather. Not only that, but even with the knowledge of where it was, there's still a wide area of featureless terrain to sift through.

You couldn't do it for a car, never mind an aircraft.

lester diamond · 01-06-2009, 02:57 PM

As someone has already said NOT EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!! I'm amazed and dismayed at the logic of people on this board. A plane goes missing and somebody already has suggested the queen is involved (wtf!!!!) and backed up thier claim with a quote from the sun newspaper(term used lightly)! It would be funny if it wasnt so sad. How about this, the plane had some sort of electrical problem and crashed. If this was some sort of conspiritorial act surely it would have been done in a way we could see the aftermath of bodies and wreckage, just a thought.

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 03:03 PM

Time and Distance Calculator Results
Departure Location
Name: Umberto Modiano
IATA: N/A
ICAO: SBBZ
N/A, Brazil
Latitude: 22°46' 15" S
Longitude: 41°57' 46" W
Elevation: 10 (Feet) Arrival Location
Name: Fernando De Noronha
IATA: FEN
ICAO: SBFN
Fernando De Noronha, Brazil
Latitude: 3°51' 17" S
Longitude: 32°25' 24" W
Elevation: 193 (Feet)
Distance: 1,262.95 (NM) / 1,453.69 (MI) / 2,338.98 (KM)
Trip Time: 2:55 (includes 15 minute bias and air speed at 475Kts)

this is the time to take to get the the island where they are searching - 2hrs 55 mins - WAY OFF 4hrs!

scuzz · 01-06-2009, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazaaap

but if you are just here to defend the MSM then i shall let you continue.

Defending nothing apart from the science of maths there. If people can't do sums right, then there's always going to be issues. And rather than jump to knee-jerk "OMG Aliens came up from Atlantis and shot it down with guided HAARP missiles provided by the Illuminanti" conclusions, I'd rather be a bit logical.

And at the post above, Last contact was 3.5 hrs after departure, at 0136, =
1800 miles assuming it took off at 860Km/h and went in a straight line.

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lester diamond

As someone has already said NOT EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!! I'm amazed and dismayed at the logic of people on this board. A plane goes missing and somebody already has suggested the queen is involved (wtf!!!!) and backed up thier claim with a quote from the sun newspaper(term used lightly)! It would be funny if it wasnt so sad. How about this, the plane had some sort of electrical problem and crashed. If this was some sort of conspiritorial act surely it would have been done in a way we could see the aftermath of bodies and wreckage, just a thought.

some people have a more sensitive feeling than that of others - and we live in a free world so they like to come online and share what they feel and think - sorry that you are not as freethinking than some of us - but you know you dont have to read this thread right?

your point is noted though! thanks for your input.

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuzz

Defending nothing apart from the science of maths there. If people can't do sums right, then there's always going to be issues. And rather than jump to knee-jerk "OMG Aliens came up from Atlantis and shot it down with guided HAARP missiles provided by the Illuminanti" conclusions, I'd rather be a bit logical.

And at the post above, Last contact was 3.5 hrs after departure, at 0136, =
1800 miles assuming it took off at 860Km/h and went in a straight line.

4 hrs apparently.

All im saying is that there is something not right with this story - time will tell, im no scientist or mathematician, i failed both at school. but i do know the main stream media - and when they jump on a bandwagon like this there has to be a reason.

ndc777 · 01-06-2009, 03:09 PM

Note the date:

1st day of June 2009 can be 1-6-9 (13 x 13)

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 03:09 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8077304.stm

Details are emerging of the events leading up to the disappearance of an Air France flight from Brazil to France in the early hours of Monday.

Flight AF 447 left Rio de Janeiro, bound for Paris, at 1900 local time (2200 GMT) on Sunday 31 May.

The aircraft in question, an Airbus A330-200 with registration F-GZCP, had been in operation since April 2005.

Shortly after the aircraft's scheduled arrival time in Paris of 1110 local time (0910 GMT), it was announced that the flight was missing.

Here is what is known so far:

2200 GMT, Sunday 31 May: AF 447 takes off from Rio de Janeiro's Galeao International Airport, heading for Paris Charles de Gaulle.

0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of Brazil.
Graphic of Airbus A330

0200 GMT: The aircraft crossed through a "thunderous zone with strong turbulence" according to an Air France statement.

0214 GMT: According to the airline, an automated message was received indicating an "electrical circuit malfunction" on board.

0715 GMT: Air France decided "the situation was serious", according to the airline's chief executive Pierre Henri Gourgeon. Plans to establish a crisis centre are drawn up.

0910 GMT: Aircraft was due to land at Paris Charles de Gaulle airport.

0935 GMT: Paris airport officials announce to the public that flight AF 447 is missing.

1017 GMT: Brazil's air force confirms a search and rescue operation is under way near the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha.

1036 GMT: Air France confirms it is "without news" from the aircraft.

1116 GMT: Senior French minister Jean-Louis Borloo says the plane would have run out of fuel by this point, and adds: "We must now envisage the most tragic scenario." He rules out a hijacking.

1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was "well advanced" over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical fault from the aircraft.

1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused by the plane suffering a lightning strike.

1303 GMT: Prime Minister Gordon Brown says he fears British citizens may be on board the aircraft.

1515 GMT: It is reported that most of the 228 people on board the missing airliner are Brazilian, while at least 40 are French and 20 are German, according to a French minister.

scuzz · 01-06-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazaaap

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8077304.stm

0200 GMT: The aircraft crossed through a "thunderous zone with strong turbulence" according to an Air France statement.

0214 GMT: According to the airline, an automated message was received indicating an "electrical circuit malfunction" on board.

0715 GMT: Air France decided "the situation was serious", according to the airline's chief executive Pierre Henri Gourgeon. Plans to establish a crisis centre are drawn up.

0910 GMT: Aircraft was due to land at Paris Charles de Gaulle airport.

That's a worrying timeline - 5hrs of no contact before deciding to have a panic. I'll assume that they were a little "concerned" before then, but even so.

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 03:19 PM

this is pissing me off now - i have to stop looking into this - something is telling me this is not right.

one thing is sure - we will never know.

chattanova · 01-06-2009, 03:22 PM

We have to be very aware of everything being said and be all over articles posted about this now in the start-phase, it's now early after this tragedy the MSM is often telling more than they should (if there is anything going on at all)
You'll remember when BBC Aware of WTC7 collapse 23 mins before it does? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1356

wazaaap · 01-06-2009, 03:24 PM

the whole reason i am still on this forum is cause it is a great place to store data - these news sites are updating all the time, but if you snapshot all the info they put out - it paints a better picture of what they are up to.

danster82 · 01-06-2009, 03:26 PM

Gordon Brown has stated that he fears British may have been on board

I hate it when they say this what a tripe thing to say, as if any human life non British is of no concern and we can just have a sigh of relief and party on because only non British human beings have died.

01-06-2009, 02:36 PM	#21
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01-06-2009, 03:09 PM	#35
wazaaap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,071	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8077304.stm Details are emerging of the events leading up to the disappearance of an Air France flight from Brazil to France in the early hours of Monday. Flight AF 447 left Rio de Janeiro, bound for Paris, at 1900 local time (2200 GMT) on Sunday 31 May. The aircraft in question, an Airbus A330-200 with registration F-GZCP, had been in operation since April 2005. Shortly after the aircraft's scheduled arrival time in Paris of 1110 local time (0910 GMT), it was announced that the flight was missing. Here is what is known so far: 2200 GMT, Sunday 31 May: AF 447 takes off from Rio de Janeiro's Galeao International Airport, heading for Paris Charles de Gaulle. 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447, according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of Brazil. Graphic of Airbus A330 0200 GMT: The aircraft crossed through a "thunderous zone with strong turbulence" according to an Air France statement. 0214 GMT: According to the airline, an automated message was received indicating an "electrical circuit malfunction" on board. 0715 GMT: Air France decided "the situation was serious", according to the airline's chief executive Pierre Henri Gourgeon. Plans to establish a crisis centre are drawn up. 0910 GMT: Aircraft was due to land at Paris Charles de Gaulle airport. 0935 GMT: Paris airport officials announce to the public that flight AF 447 is missing. 1017 GMT: Brazil's air force confirms a search and rescue operation is under way near the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha. 1036 GMT: Air France confirms it is "without news" from the aircraft. 1116 GMT: Senior French minister Jean-Louis Borloo says the plane would have run out of fuel by this point, and adds: "We must now envisage the most tragic scenario." He rules out a hijacking. 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was "well advanced" over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing. 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical fault from the aircraft. 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused by the plane suffering a lightning strike. 1303 GMT: Prime Minister Gordon Brown says he fears British citizens may be on board the aircraft. 1515 GMT: It is reported that most of the 228 people on board the missing airliner are Brazilian, while at least 40 are French and 20 are German, according to a French minister. Last edited by wazaaap; 01-06-2009 at 04:35 PM.

01-06-2009, 03:22 PM	#38
chattanova Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 6,837	let's keep our eye's and ears open.. We have to be very aware of everything being said and be all over articles posted about this now in the start-phase, it's now early after this tragedy the MSM is often telling more than they should (if there is anything going on at all) You'll remember when *BBC Aware of WTC7 collapse 23 mins before it does?* http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1356 __________________ OOPARTS http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11442 _____Truth Doesn't Fear Investigation_____

01-06-2009, 02:37 PM	#22
wazaaap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,071	http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/vid...azil_to_France

01-06-2009, 02:43 PM	#23
gilly Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Preston, Lanc's, UK Posts: 9,455	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8076848.stm The above is a report from 57 min's. ago. It says the nationalities of passengers isn't being disclosed yet. But I saw several articles earlier, which said there were 60 French & 3 Italians on board - wo what's the secrecy about? They're speculating here that the plane could have been hit by lightening. I thought they had a way of tracking electrical storms? All other reports I've seen mention turbulent weather, but not electrical storms. The above may amount to nothing, but it looks like any anomolies in reporting make me suspicious.

01-06-2009, 02:57 PM	#29
lester diamond Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 124	As someone has already said NOT EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!! I'm amazed and dismayed at the logic of people on this board. A plane goes missing and somebody already has suggested the queen is involved (wtf!!!!) and backed up thier claim with a quote from the sun newspaper(term used lightly)! It would be funny if it wasnt so sad. How about this, the plane had some sort of electrical problem and crashed. If this was some sort of conspiritorial act surely it would have been done in a way we could see the aftermath of bodies and wreckage, just a thought.

01-06-2009, 03:03 PM	#30
wazaaap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,071	Time and Distance Calculator Results Departure Location Name: Umberto Modiano IATA: N/A ICAO: SBBZ N/A, Brazil Latitude: 22°46' 15" S Longitude: 41°57' 46" W Elevation: 10 (Feet) Arrival Location Name: Fernando De Noronha IATA: FEN ICAO: SBFN Fernando De Noronha, Brazil Latitude: 3°51' 17" S Longitude: 32°25' 24" W Elevation: 193 (Feet) Distance: 1,262.95 (NM) / 1,453.69 (MI) / 2,338.98 (KM) Trip Time: 2:55 (includes 15 minute bias and air speed at 475Kts) this is the time to take to get the the island where they are searching - 2hrs 55 mins - WAY OFF 4hrs!

01-06-2009, 03:19 PM	#37
wazaaap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,071	this is pissing me off now - i have to stop looking into this - something is telling me this is not right. one thing is sure - we will never know.

01-06-2009, 03:24 PM	#39
wazaaap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,071	the whole reason i am still on this forum is cause it is a great place to store data - these news sites are updating all the time, but if you snapshot all the info they put out - it paints a better picture of what they are up to.

01-06-2009, 03:26 PM	#40
danster82 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Posts: 3,585	Gordon Brown has stated that he fears British may have been on board I hate it when they say this what a tripe thing to say, as if any human life non British is of no concern and we can just have a sigh of relief and party on because only non British human beings have died.