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Old 29-05-2009, 09:28 AM   #91
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Add more green veggies into that diet. Broccoli, romaine lettuce and celery are your friends. Consider adding some addition sources of n-3 fats. Fish oil caps, or flax oil.

You can use this much cardio for a short time, but you'll burn out on it eventually and need to make some adjustments, especially after your body adapts to it.



US, the primary key to ketosis diets on the carb side is to watch your total grams of carbs and eating the lowest glycemic index carbs possible. You are not getting proper nutrition on simply fatty meats, cheese and eggs, although this is effective. I used to use broccoli and macadamia nuts as my only sources of carbs while in deep ketosis.

The total number of grams you can eat and stay in ketosis varies among individuals (and can change for you with time), the amount of calories you are eating, the amount of fat etc. It can range anywhere from 15-100g. Dr. Adkins recomends 20g as a baseline max, and Dr. Di Pasquale recomends 30g. To determine the amount of total carbs, in the low carb world, they refer to them as impact carbs. You get this by taking the total number of carbs in a food and subtracting the fiber.

For example: 100 g of broccoli has a total of 7g of carbohydrates and 3 g of fiber. You cannot digest and absorb the fiber so it has no impact on your bloodsugar, so this leaves 4g of impact carbs.

It is important to remember that the primary reason to eat ANY carbs on this type of diet is because you need a certain amount of fiber to push through all of those tissue proteins to avoid constipation, and to get the various vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients your body needs, thus you get ALL of those carbs through green veggies and nutts. This is not an excuse to eat protien bars with sugar alcohols etc.

I had a friend who was trying despirately to do a ketosis diet who could not get into ketosis after 3 weeks of trying, while eating mostly red meat and he claimed he was on 20g of carbs a day. He finally came forward that he was getting his 20g a day by eating 1.5 slices of bread in one sitting, which due to the GI of bread and consuming it all at once, will throw one back out of ketosis if they are already in it.

Again another reason I stress that one should research this subject prior to attempting a low carb or ketosis diet.
Thanks DE, I won't be doing the meat only diet, like you said, I want to include enough fibre and I want to include raw food as much as possible. I have some wee testers that test for blood, protien, leuckosytes, ketones etc (because I have become extremely anal about the state of my kidney), so I can test easliy to see if I am in ketosis.

I think doing anaerobic exercise should help as I will be using up the glycogen stored in my muscles most days.
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Old 30-05-2009, 04:23 PM   #92
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Speaking of ketosis diets and our goals, I found some interesting things regarding Ketosis diets and Meneire's disease.

http://oto2.wustl.edu/men/diet.htm

http://lowcarbeating.com/low-carb-di...kins-diet.html

And there is a possible link between gluten and Meniere's which I find interesting. Yet more evidence that grains, even in trace amounts, in our diets can have massive negative impacts to some individuals. Of course all ketosis diets are gluten-free, unless you are using gluten-rich grains on carbups on a CKD or TKD.

http://hormonesandhighchairs.wordpre...ieres-disease/
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Old 30-05-2009, 05:10 PM   #93
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I got back in the gym this week. Feeling weak, and can't go as often as I'd like - due to being run off my feet with work - but I'm back, at least.
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Old 31-05-2009, 12:06 AM   #94
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I got back in the gym this week. Feeling weak, and can't go as often as I'd like - due to being run off my feet with work - but I'm back, at least.
Good to know AA. What kind of routine do you plan on using? Any goals?

Oh I found a good background history on ketosis diets for those asking about them from a bodybuilding site.

http://www.trainwiser.com/f105/ketog...n-do-you-5763/

I'm giving serious considerations to going back on a CKD/Anabolic diet given that some people are finding ketosis diets to relieve their Meneire's symptoms. I'll have to get used to hamburger meat, cheese and extra virgin olive oil again if I do though... although I do prefer a "clean ketosis" where I don't eat tons of saturated fat, and just dump large amounts of extra virgin olive oil into everything and eating fish oil caps like they are candy.

I rather dread a two week induction phase though, of cutting down to 20g of carbs a day, without a glycogen replenishment.
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Speaking of ketosis diets and our goals, I found some interesting things regarding Ketosis diets and Meneire's disease.

http://oto2.wustl.edu/men/diet.htm

http://lowcarbeating.com/low-carb-di...kins-diet.html

And there is a possible link between gluten and Meniere's which I find interesting. Yet more evidence that grains, even in trace amounts, in our diets can have massive negative impacts to some individuals. Of course all ketosis diets are gluten-free, unless you are using gluten-rich grains on carbups on a CKD or TKD.

http://hormonesandhighchairs.wordpre...ieres-disease/
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Good to know AA. What kind of routine do you plan on using? Any goals?

Oh I found a good background history on ketosis diets for those asking about them from a bodybuilding site.

http://www.trainwiser.com/f105/ketog...n-do-you-5763/

I'm giving serious considerations to going back on a CKD/Anabolic diet given that some people are finding ketosis diets to relieve their Meneire's symptoms. I'll have to get used to hamburger meat, cheese and extra virgin olive oil again if I do though... although I do prefer a "clean ketosis" where I don't eat tons of saturated fat, and just dump large amounts of extra virgin olive oil into everything and eating fish oil caps like they are candy.

I rather dread a two week induction phase though, of cutting down to 20g of carbs a day, without a glycogen replenishment.
I am going to show this to my mum, so big thanks .

I cut out all grains and gluten in my diet and it has made a huge difference, as soon as I have it I gat tired irritable and have really bad heartburn and it takes 2 days of not eating it to get back to normal.

Good news on fitness front. My diet of raw veggies and herbs, nice home made oily salad dressings, plenty of nuts/seeds, sprouted beans and lentils is going great, I have not put on any weight since I have stopped smoking and it's been 3 weeks now - infact my clothes are a bit baggier.

I have just been using will power to not stuff my face with goodies. Infact, considering the problems with my water works I feel pretty good, I think it is a lot to do with the clean diet and not smoking.
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Good to know AA. What kind of routine do you plan on using? Any goals?
I usually go heavy on the weights, but this time round I feel like something different, so I've been hitting the rower and the cables/kinesis machines...just a little experiment to see if I get similar results or my physique changes. My avatar is from earlier this week; I've lost a lot of muscle mass on my arms *sob* but I'm fortunate not to lose a lot of definition.



Since being in a sucky day job, I've been eating far too much sugar, so that's got to go immediately. Back to the foods I love - fish and veg, mainly (but I do like a good steak too)
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I usually go heavy on the weights, but this time round I feel like something different, so I've been hitting the rower and the cables/kinesis machines...just a little experiment to see if I get similar results or my physique changes. My avatar is from earlier this week; I've lost a lot of muscle mass on my arms *sob* but I'm fortunate not to lose a lot of definition.



Since being in a sucky day job, I've been eating far too much sugar, so that's got to go immediately. Back to the foods I love - fish and veg, mainly (but I do like a good steak too)
Wow AA you are so lucky to be naturally slightly built, I bet you are one of those people who can eat loads and not get fat

I have managed to get a tiny as you are a few times, but I had to literally starve myself for months and work out like 10 - 12 hours a week and take shit loads of ephidrine and I was sooo miserable (but everyone told me I looked really good). As soon as I started eating normally I just went back to my normal weight/size. When people say anyone can diet and work and be any size it's bollocks, people have their own builds and shapes like breeds of horses and dogs etc, I'm a shetland pony, I'll never be a lithe elegant thoroughbred like you are .
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US that is different genetics and body types at work. You'll find there are people who are naturally lean, and can work out for a month and have nice abes, but they over-train easily, have difficulting gaining muscle or strength etc.

Then you have the other extreme such as myself. If I stop training and eat "regular food" I gain 10 kg of fat in one month, must diet very strictly to get to a low body fat percentage, but can go from an untrained state to setting records at a gym in just a few months, and can gain levels of lean body mass and strength doing a few body weight exercises at home that some body types can't obtain on several cycles of steroids and two years worth of hard training.

Most people fall somewhere in the middle of those two extremes.

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Alright so starting ketosis tonight. My weight was 227 lbs (103 kg) this morning and I am up to 60 reps on my squats with all 310 lbs of cable resistance.

I'm massloading fats tonight, shooting for 85-90% of my calories in the form of fats, zero carbs and going to deplete my glucogen stores in the morning with cardio and high rep weight training. With a bit of luck I can force my body into ketosis within 24-48 hours to minimize my misery state. I'm going off the assumptoin that my body very used to ketosis diets because I had been following the anabolic diet for 14 months straight when I got out of bodybuilding 5 years ago, and used to be able to get myself into ketosis in 10-12 hours at one time. Hopefully my body remembers this. LoL

Otherwise, I am going to be feeling like shit for a few days.
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