Materialism deniers - Prepare to be owned.

[whatistruth]

Don't drink the quantum Koolaid - YouTube

Don't drink the quantum Koolaid - YouTube

Your quasi 'new age' view of reality and 'densities/frequencies' has just been completely owned.

I've seen a lot of people on here delude themselfs, saying things like "science has finally caught up with what david has been saying for years!".

These pseudo scientists have been exposed for being even more radical and fanatical than the most staunch christian believers.
And a whole lot more devious.

[beldazar]

That video didnt really tell me anything, just some bloke with a posh voice airing his views

My understanding is that science is an illuminati creation to prevent us coming by the 'truth'.

Ive heard about Ramtha/ramana or whatever, and sounds a bit iffy to me but who's to say its not genuine?

By the way....native american indians knew about different dimensions and a different format of 'time' thousands of years ago...

[zero1]

That video "pwns" nothing says nothing of any interest.

The narrator merely derides the well-documented views of many quantum physicists without offering alternative explanations (other than materialism) or evidence to disprove their assertions, out of fear of religious and spiritual links in science. It's rubbish, and so is materialism.

[rossus]

Originally Posted by beldazar

My understanding is that science is an illuminati creation to prevent us coming by the 'truth'.

lol, no

science is the reason we can have this discussion on the internet.
it is the reason many people on this forum who would otherwise be dead are still alive.

there are many scientists who get paid to lie in favor of illuminati type people,
for example in the pharmaceutical bu$ine$$...
but that doesn't mean that evrything scientists come up with is bad.

[grachtengordel]

Originally Posted by beldazar

Ive heard about Ramtha/ramana or whatever, and sounds a bit iffy to me but who's to say its not genuine?

someone told me to watch 'what the bleep' , i checked it out so i soon came to the 'ramtha foundation' which is the work of a woman called j z knight, she appears in 'what the bleep' (scary plastic face woman), this video of her in the 80's may help persuade you that 'ramtha' is bunk, half way in she is 'posessed' by 'ramtha', a 30,000 year old atlantean , the woman is blatantly acting

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Originally Posted by whatistruth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmv1Ai2P7uQ

good video

[whiterain]

Originally Posted by whatistruth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmv1Ai2P7uQ

Your quasi 'new age' view of reality and 'densities/frequencies' has just been completely owned.

I've seen a lot of people on here delude themselfs, saying things like "science has finally caught up with what david has been saying for years!".

These pseudo scientists have been exposed for being even more radical and fanatical than the most staunch christian believers.
And a whole lot more devious.

be careful what you close yourself off from. i did it for 25 years and when it came time to face reality, my denial turned around and bit me in the arse BIG time. peace

[beldazar]

Thanks Gratchen, I only watched the first couple of minutes but I saw that a couple of years ago on a thread discussing 'what the bleep'.
I do remember Jayzee () giving a talk at the end of 'what the bleep' and I did like what she said.

[john white]

Originally Posted by whatistruth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmv1Ai2P7uQ

Your quasi 'new age' view of reality and 'densities/frequencies' has just been completely owned.

I've seen a lot of people on here delude themselfs, saying things like "science has finally caught up with what david has been saying for years!".

These pseudo scientists have been exposed for being even more radical and fanatical than the most staunch christian believers.
And a whole lot more devious.

Your going to have to put a lot more effort in than this... for starters you seem to be confusing the nature of reality with the nature of people who appeared in a film, so there's a whole load of straw man argument right there

Meanwhile the mechanistic view of the universe is clearly inadequate to explain the results science has been producing since Einstein, and remind me, what was an atom again apart from energy acting in a particular form?

This particular film simply strikes me as the viewpoint of some university student come JREF'er struggling to keep his mental map nice and tidy.... there is a long way to go on the road of life

[john white]

BTW "deniers"?

What's "denial" about calling materialism what it is: a perspective?

[leviathanstaar]

This was like mixing ad hominem with mythbusters type science.

Everyone I heard 'debunking' the supposed QM guy sounded like a repeater.

I especially loved when he suggests illusionary free will.

I look at absolutely no individual in new age research ect as any sort of messiah, god, nor do I consider myself to be a/god.

The overall message: Go ahead and beleive in QM but do not stray from that left brain, and make sure to beleive in material things more than anything.

90 or more % of us imo do not fit that cliched (and obvious at that) notion of anyone willing to look and ask deep about all that we are is a nut.

[beldazar]

Originally Posted by rossus

lol, no

science is the reason we can have this discussion on the internet.
it is the reason many people on this forum who would otherwise be dead are still alive.

there are many scientists who get paid to lie in favor of illuminati type people,
for example in the pharmaceutical bu$ine$$...
but that doesn't mean that evrything scientists come up with is bad.

Yes I can see your point Rossus. I also think that a lot of our technology has kept us from finding out anywhere near what we would call 'truth' by keeping us entertained, productive, busy, busy busy. Yes through various info we do seem to be gettig there but apparently we know all this already, its buried deep inside us.
Perhaps without technology, TV. video games etc...we would be using far more of the right side of our brain. After all, our natives seem to be more clued up about it then us and they werent glued to a PC screen...

[drael]

Nothing is proven, via science, only falsified.

As such, materialism can never be proven. That makes it a philosophy, not a science. Theory, not fact.

The philosophy of science, should not be confused with hard science or scientific discoveries.

Nor should we forget that non-materialism was both once in vogue scientifically, or that the current newtonian based philosophy is well put in place by effects at a distance, zero point energy and other features of modern research.

I forget who said it, but it has been said "shut up and calculate".

[grachtengordel]

Originally Posted by beldazar

Thanks Gratchen, I only watched the first couple of minutes but I saw that a couple of years ago on a thread discussing 'what the bleep'.
I do remember Jayzee () giving a talk at the end of 'what the bleep' and I did like what she said.

but the part where she (jay zed) starts acting and puts on the ridiculous fake indian accent when pretending to be posessed by the spirit of 'raamtha' , that is some high grade bullshit there.
I am open to these ideas, but they are so badly presented in the 'what the bleep' film.

[beldazar]

Originally Posted by grachtengordel

but the part where she (jay zed) starts acting and puts on the ridiculous fake indian accent when pretending to be posessed by the spirit of 'raamtha' , that is some high grade bullshit there.
I am open to these ideas, but they are so badly presented in the 'what the bleep' film.

Yes most probably, lol. when I saw it last time it was pretty suss.As I said, I did like what she said at the end of 'what the bleep' and it came from her if I remember rightly...

[whatistruth]

Owned.

[john white]

Originally Posted by whatistruth

Owned.

Lol yes you do seem to be

Is your heart in this thread or what?

[nectars]

lol@that-horseshit.

...sorry, but not worth saying anything else tbh.

[measle_weasel]

Originally Posted by whatistruth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmv1Ai2P7uQ

Your quasi 'new age' view of reality and 'densities/frequencies' has just been completely owned.

This video says a whole lot of nothing. Its one mans opinion of a what he believes to be a materialistic, deterministic, and nihilistic universe. Like most of the new age people hes bashing (all), he, like them, tries to sound flashy and decisive, as if he speaks with authority, but comes up short in every regard. Again, just like the new agers he bashes.

Originally Posted by whatistruth

I've seen a lot of people on here delude themselfs, saying things like "science has finally caught up with what david has been saying for years!".

These pseudo scientists have been exposed for being even more radical and fanatical than the most staunch christian believers.
And a whole lot more devious.

Both those in the christianity and the new age religion can be equally fanatical.

[bard]

Science as we have it today is based on three major metaphysical assumptions (things that can never be proven, but taken as they are):

1. Reductionism -> the whole of reality is composed of separate but interacting entities, that have structure and properties on their own, irrespective of their environment.

2. Causality -> Things happen for a reason, there is nothing truly random or spontaneous.

3. Determinism -> Behind the workings of the world there are laws (or rules) that
can be described in mathematical terms.

These three assumtions are fundamentally flawed, all of them.

Number 1. has been debunked already by standard Quantum Mechanics - look
at the issue of quantum measurement problem, quantum entanglement and Pauli's exclussion principle.

Number 2. fails to apply to the origin of life. There is not a single shred of scientific evidence, that something that is alive can appear out of the blue from something that is
not alive. People mistakengly push Darwin's Theory of evolution to explain the origin
of life, but this is way out of the proper domain of application of the theory. Darwin said that species evolve from other species, that is all there is to it.
If you now point at the Bing Bang hypothesis as the primal cause - this is all a bunch of bullshit, a pre-packaged Judeo-Christian creation myth, it has been debunked since the mid 1960s by the work of Halton Arp on the red shift in quasars but vested interests
in the scientific establishmen keep pushing the circus forward.

Number 3. is very naive -> mathematics is just a tool that gets developed and improved as we go along and learn more about Nature. At any stage there is a whole range of natural phenomena that cannot be described within the existent mathematical structure of the physical theories (the flow of water from the tap for example).

For alternative views one should probably look at Ancient Taoism. The subject is too involved to be discussed here, but for a start look at this lecture by
Alan Watts:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=allan+watts

Folks like David Icke are probably closer to seeing the true nature of reality than
the entire Physics department at Harvard.

[danster82]

That video fails.

The vibe I get is just scared egos, you can pick it up in the tone of peoples voices when they are defending their beliefs its the voice of an ego it talks really fast and it has a shakiness about it because it scared stiff and its aggressively in defence of its own belief system. Also I notice how the ego cannot comprehend where people get their authority from.. It constantly says "who are you to say this!?" well people have to start saying "yes its true its me who is saying this".