Big Bad Pirates!

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry if there are other threads on this.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=...malis-lifeboat

These are pirates!? Not exactly Blackbeard are they?

This is the most interesting part of the article:

There is something obscene about a superpower whose media and population find great satisfaction, and some sick form of national catharsis, every time they manage to overcome a weak and desperate opponent.

I have spotted the very same thing this article does. Thrillers like Tom Clancy's are more likely to portray American "heores" with high-tech weponry easily defeating outnumbered, backward and badly-trained enemies. One of the missions in the PC game Dangerous Waters is called "African Bees Nest". your role is command of a US Navy firgate and you have to shoot pirate boats with a machine gun. It's incredibly easy! No doubt I'll be called a "brave hero" and get a virtual medal and free prostitute for doing it!

[rydeon]

I'm sick of the NWO/UN gleefully buzzing around this subject like they are the hero's to save the day. Pirates can do what they want.
The UN want an excuse to have a permanent task force to bully weaker nations into accepting their control.

It's up to the strutting maritime firms to take action.


Let the shipping companies put their hand in there pocket and sort out their own security.
They are big boys and need to start acting like them.
Enough of expecting a magic wand to stop the pirates in their tracks.

Enough of this meddling, intrusive agenda the US and Europe are pushing for.

[voodoo]

http://community-en.menassat.com/vid...-pirates-there

[marpat]

Originally Posted by rydeon

I'm sick of the NWO/UN gleefully buzzing around this subject like they are the hero's to save the day. Pirates can do what they want.
The UN want an excuse to have a permanent task force to bully weaker nations into accepting their control.

It's up to the strutting maritime firms to take action.


Let the shipping companies put their hand in there pocket and sort out their own security.
They are big boys and need to start acting like them.
Enough of expecting a magic wand to stop the pirates in their tracks.

Enough of this meddling, intrusive agenda the US and Europe are pushing for.

I wonder if there are any laws about commercial ships carrying armed security in international waters? personally I would have thought the solution would be along the lines of private security contractors. I am sure they could handle such attacks.

Are the US and EU meddling though? if their ships get attacked then why should they not respond? if you were on a British liner passing through that area and you were boarded by armed groups would you be grateful if the navy turned up and sent them packing? I know I would be. This is not meddling it is dealing with a low grade threat. Such pirates also operate in the Carribean and the Royal Navy has to deal with them in that location.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

Sorry if there are other threads on this.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=...malis-lifeboat




I have spotted the very same thing this article does. Thrillers like Tom Clancy's are more likely to portray American "heores" with high-tech weponry easily defeating outnumbered, backward and badly-trained enemies. One of the missions in the PC game Dangerous Waters is called "African Bees Nest". your role is command of a US Navy firgate and you have to shoot pirate boats with a machine gun. It's incredibly easy! No doubt I'll be called a "brave hero" and get a virtual medal and free prostitute for doing it! :D

But this is why technology is used. If it was just numbers then small groups of soldiers outnumbered 10-1 would end up beign dragged behind jeeps after being mutilated, as per the true Black Hawk Down event. The technology gives small groups a bit of an edge when the chips are down. Who cares if the enemies weapons are not as good, they are still prepared to kill with them. Maybe you would be happy if they all fought with sword to make it equal.

Also, I wouldnt compare a video game to real life. There are no respawns for people in real danger. I dont think people in real life get awarded with free prostitutes either. You have some unusual fantasies about the forces.

Who said those pirates are backward? they may appear to be primitive in their methods but this does not make them stupid. Go back a while to when a US task force was humiliated by such armed people. Not only did these 'backward' people shoot down several helicopters but they mutilated the bodies of dead Americans and pulled them behind jeeps for the camera. Also, for backward people they made a nice little trap for the helicopters so that they would be trapped by heavy machine guns and rocket crews. Not really so backward!!! primitive but not stupid. The people who defeated this elite task force were on a documentary and described exactly how they planned it.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by marpat

But this is why technology is used. If it was just numbers then small groups of soldiers outnumbered 10-1 would end up beign dragged behind jeeps after being mutilated, as per the true Black Hawk Down event. The technology gives small groups a bit of an edge when the chips are down. Who cares if the enemies weapons are not as good, they are still prepared to kill with them. Maybe you would be happy if they all fought with sword to make it equal.

Also, I wouldnt compare a video game to real life. There are no respawns for people in real danger. I dont think people in real life get awarded with free prostitutes either. You have some unusual fantasies about the forces.

Who said those pirates are backward? they may appear to be primitive in their methods but this does not make them stupid. Go back a while to when a US task force was humiliated by such armed people. Not only did these 'backward' people shoot down several helicopters but they mutilated the bodies of dead Americans and pulled them behind jeeps for the camera. Also, for backward people they made a nice little trap for the helicopters so that they would be trapped by heavy machine guns and rocket crews. Not really so backward!!! primitive but not stupid. The people who defeated this elite task force were on a documentary and described exactly how they planned it.

and you to have some unusual fantasy's about the forces also always around to brighten up the forum per usual.

You are like a reoccurring nightmare of massive proportions so when are you actually going on any operations yourself apart from the ones on here?

[boots]

Originally Posted by hagbard_celine

Sorry if there are other threads on this.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=...malis-lifeboat

These are pirates!? Not exactly Blackbeard are they?

This is the most interesting part of the article:


I have spotted the very same thing this article does. Thrillers like Tom Clancy's are more likely to portray American "heores" with high-tech weponry easily defeating outnumbered, backward and badly-trained enemies. One of the missions in the PC game Dangerous Waters is called "African Bees Nest". your role is command of a US Navy firgate and you have to shoot pirate boats with a machine gun. It's incredibly easy! No doubt I'll be called a "brave hero" and get a virtual medal and free prostitute for doing it!

These so called pirates have good reason to have a go at the ships that are illegally dumping toxic waste in the oceans just of the Somalian coast not only are these ship's dumping toxic waste they are stealing all the seafood in that region.


What the MSM have focused on is the pirate's that are attacking cruise liner's and ship's that have nothing to do with the illegal dumping and exploitation of the fishing resources.

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[boots]

Originally Posted by marpat

But this is why technology is used. If it was just numbers then small groups of soldiers outnumbered 10-1 would end up beign dragged behind jeeps after being mutilated, as per the true Black Hawk Down event. The technology gives small groups a bit of an edge when the chips are down. Who cares if the enemies weapons are not as good, they are still prepared to kill with them. Maybe you would be happy if they all fought with sword to make it equal.

Also, I wouldnt compare a video game to real life. There are no respawns for people in real danger. I dont think people in real life get awarded with free prostitutes either. You have some unusual fantasies about the forces.

Who said those pirates are backward? they may appear to be primitive in their methods but this does not make them stupid. Go back a while to when a US task force was humiliated by such armed people. Not only did these 'backward' people shoot down several helicopters but they mutilated the bodies of dead Americans and pulled them behind jeeps for the camera. Also, for backward people they made a nice little trap for the helicopters so that they would be trapped by heavy machine guns and rocket crews. Not really so backward!!! primitive but not stupid. The people who defeated this elite task force were on a documentary and described exactly how they planned it.

Did you even read the fucking article???

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[marpat]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

and you to have some unusual fantasy's about the forces also always around to brighten up the forum per usual.

You are like a reoccurring nightmare of massive proportions so when are you actually going on any operations yourself apart from the ones on here?

What can I say? grow up.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by boots

Did you even read the fucking article???

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I was actually commenting on hagbards personal opinion.

[boots]

Originally Posted by marpat

I was actually commenting on hagbards personal opinion.

Yes i know. Geezz

What he was eluding too was how the MSM portrayed it and how it is conditioning us through the media...games included.


You popped into the programmed mode of defending the military...again. Wiht out looking at the article and debating it on it's merit's.

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[marpat]

Originally Posted by boots

Yes i know. Geezz

What he was eluding too was how the MSM portrayed it and how it is conditioning us through the media...games included.


You popped into the programmed mode of defending the military...again. Wiht out looking at the article and debating it on it's merit's.

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Not really. What if the pirates are a real problem? do you know for certain? I dont as I have not been to that place therefore my thoughts are limited to what information I come across, which is the same for others in here. In that respect I dont stick to one side or the other but I refuse to condemn military people if they have been tasked to intervene in what looks like regular abductions of unarmed people. Pirates exist in the west Indies still and get into the news. The Royal Navy still has to deal with such problesm at times.

At the end of the day, if you were on one of those ships and got abducted would you be grateful if the government sent a rescue unit to get you back or would you just sympathise with the gunmen. Lets face it, if they are asking for ransoms they are are not arsed about things being dumped in the sea. Would most of them even be aware of such things?

I fail to have any sympathy for armed people who are prepared to abduct people for a ransom. If they have another cause then why are they not making that a condition of the abduction? Look at the Iranian embassy seige, they asked for political results, not money. If they wanted to stop ships dumping crap off the coast then why dont they just fire rockets into the ships? I am sure that shipping companies would avoid such places if their vessels were being sunk but I think the truth is that a sunken ship and dead crew cannot be held ransom.

[boots]

Originally Posted by marpat

Not really. What if the pirates are a real problem? do you know for certain? I dont as I have not been to that place therefore my thoughts are limited to what information I come across, which is the same for others in here. In that respect I dont stick to one side or the other but I refuse to condemn military people if they have been tasked to intervene in what looks like regular abductions of unarmed people. Pirates exist in the west Indies still and get into the news. The Royal Navy still has to deal with such problesm at times.

At the end of the day, if you were on one of those ships and got abducted would you be grateful if the government sent a rescue unit to get you back or would you just sympathise with the gunmen. Lets face it, if they are asking for ransoms they are are not arsed about things being dumped in the sea. Would most of them even be aware of such things?

I fail to have any sympathy for armed people who are prepared to abduct people for a ransom. If they have another cause then why are they not making that a condition of the abduction? Look at the Iranian embassy seige, they asked for political results, not money. If they wanted to stop ships dumping crap off the coast then why dont they just fire rockets into the ships? I am sure that shipping companies would avoid such places if their vessels were being sunk but I think the truth is that a sunken ship and dead crew cannot be held ransom.

No one in this thread is directly attacking the personnel for doing what they are told to do by their commander's and protecting the innocent.

What is being said that the US navy spin doctor's are tainting All the so called pirate's as those that are just attacking ship's for their own personal gain. but of course this is not just what is happening. for all we know, the pirates could be attacking the ships that are dumping toxic waste and those that are stealing the food resources from the sea of the coast of Somalia. But of course you wont see that in the MSM. unless you think the MSM is one, that never tells a lie?

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[marpat]

Originally Posted by boots

No one in this thread is directly attacking the personnel for doing what they are told to do by their commander's and protecting the innocent.

What is being said that the US navy spin doctor's are tainting All the so called pirate's as those that are just attacking ship's for their own personal gain. but of course this is not just what is happening. for all we know, the pirates could be attacking the ships that are dumping toxic waste and those that are stealing the food resources from the sea of the coast of Somalia. But of course you wont see that in the MSM. unless you think the MSM is one, that never tells a lie?

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Actually I have little faith in the media and regard them as nothing more than mediators of biased information.

But they are not attacking the ships are they. Have you found any evidence at all that they are trying to sink those ships? the fact is they have been taking people captive and asking for cash.

They could be doing it for many reasons but the fact is that we are not there on the ground so any information we are given may or may not be accurate.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by marpat

What can I say? grow up.

What can I say <just do one.

[boots]

Originally Posted by marpat

Actually I have little faith in the media and regard them as nothing more than mediators of biased information.

But they are not attacking the ships are they. Have you found any evidence at all that they are trying to sink those ships? the fact is they have been taking people captive and asking for cash.

They could be doing it for many reasons but the fact is that we are not there on the ground so any information we are given may or may not be accurate.

Yes they are attacking those "ship" and have been since 1991 The real pirates are those that are entering the coast of Somalia without the permission of the Somalia's themselves.

Quote:

Having seen their coastal waters pirated by foreigners since 1991, Somalis were then forced to endure the land and air piracy of the Ethiopians and the United States, who collaborated in late 2006 to invade the country and oust the only relatively effective government Somalia had had in 15 years. Occupied by Ethiopia with the backing of the American superpower, Somalis were stripped of the last thing they had on land or sea – their national sovereignty. The foreign super-pirates had taken everything.

“70 percent of Somalis ‘strongly supported piracy as a form of national defense of the country's territorial waters.’"

But the Somalis kept fighting back, anyway, driving out the Ethiopians and making the Americans fume with rage. The Somalis refused to roll over and die, or beg.

So the real pirates are the navy's of the world who did not protect the Somalia's but western commercial interests.

You fail to see the bigger picture marpat, yet again and focus on your programming of protecting the military, at all cost's.

Read the chronological history before you go shooting your mouth off.

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[hagbard_celine]

Originally Posted by marpat

But this is why technology is used. If it was just numbers then small groups of soldiers outnumbered 10-1 would end up beign dragged behind jeeps after being mutilated, as per the true Black Hawk Down event. The technology gives small groups a bit of an edge when the chips are down. Who cares if the enemies weapons are not as good, they are still prepared to kill with them. Maybe you would be happy if they all fought with sword to make it equal.

None of that was my point; perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

What concerned me is the way military action is being portrayed in the media. The scenes of infantry battles in the old war films and newsreels are being replaced by cold, distant assaults with impunity and these are being promoted as models for correct conduct in every aspect of life. Computer games are played mostly by young people, the next generation. We in the West are being conditioned to be global policemen.

Also, I wouldnt compare a video game to real life. There are no respawns for people in real danger. I dont think people in real life get awarded with free prostitutes either. You have some unusual fantasies about the forces.

I'm really going to have to stop using sarcasm and hyperbole so much; I can see mine is far too subtle for you!

Who said those pirates are backward? they may appear to be primitive in their methods but this does not make them stupid. Go back a while to when a US task force was humiliated by such armed people. Not only did these 'backward' people shoot down several helicopters but they mutilated the bodies of dead Americans and pulled them behind jeeps for the camera. Also, for backward people they made a nice little trap for the helicopters so that they would be trapped by heavy machine guns and rocket crews. Not really so backward!!! primitive but not stupid. The people who defeated this elite task force were on a documentary and described exactly how they planned it.

I knwo what you mean and remember how the Vietcong tied their enemy up in knots with homespun boobytraps. But again I was referring not so much to the reality of the conflicts as to how they are being presented to us culturally.

[hagbard_celine]

Originally Posted by marpat

I wonder if there are any laws about commercial ships carrying armed security in international waters? personally I would have thought the solution would be along the lines of private security contractors. I am sure they could handle such attacks.

There are merchant shipping lines who pay to crew their vessels with security guards, mostly in Indonesia. They do this if the threat is serious, but not regarded as serious enough to justify escort by the Navy. Also I heard that sailors trade unions have made their employers buy insurance for them that automatically pays any ransoms demanded if they get kidnapped.