You don't exist, so don't worry about it

13-07-2007, 04:13 PM

Has anyone seen this article about reality?

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...n.php?id=63575

It's on redice, a lot of it goes with what David has said. It's worth reading.

21_12_2012 · 13-07-2007, 06:14 PM

Good article...easy to read too.

lumukanda · 13-07-2007, 06:17 PM

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You don't exist, so don't worry about it

phew!
good article.

soundthief · 13-07-2007, 08:36 PM

amazing

infinitely free · 15-07-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mada88

You don't exist, so don't worry about it

Wierdly

- makes sense!

cruise4 · 16-07-2007, 07:50 AM

This article is what I understand DI to be saying.

Lets assume its true for a minute, should we pursue/value a life of illusionary reality, or should we break the illusion. A question for humanity. Maybe we can have both? What do you think?

infinitely free · 16-07-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cruise4

This article is what I understand DI to be saying.

Lets assume its true for a minute, should we pursue/value a life of illusionary reality, or should we break the illusion. A question for humanity. Maybe we can have both? What do you think?

We could have both !

james777 · 16-07-2007, 11:25 PM

Yeh, I read it, but honestly it just sounds like more bullshit to me. Grammatically it's a masterpiece but realistically it's just another cute story of dis-info and useless conjecture.

john white · 16-07-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cruise4

This article is what I understand DI to be saying.

Lets assume its true for a minute, should we pursue/value a life of illusionary reality, or should we break the illusion. A question for humanity. Maybe we can have both? What do you think?

"Be on this world but not of it"

chandrakavi · 17-07-2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by john white

"Be on this world but not of it"

That's exactly it! There is also a book where the title tells it all:
ZEN , THE CONQUEST OF REALITY

A very well explained article of how to have the mind being your "master" over your soul and spirit ,drop it's dictatorship of logic.. Use each one in its proper way, not one over all the others, Rationality and intuition. Illusions we have no need for, they are a fake people get attached to.

earthseed · 19-07-2007, 07:33 PM

Hmm or another way to make a great slave. Stop complaining you don't even exist. Isn't that what abusive parents tell their children? The mind control knows no end does it? If you are aware in any state you exist sorry I wish I had a solution to existence but pretending it away isn't the answer.

20-07-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cruise4

This article is what I understand DI to be saying.

Lets assume its true for a minute, should we pursue/value a life of illusionary reality, or should we break the illusion. A question for humanity. Maybe we can have both? What do you think?

Whats better this temporary comfort world or infinte freedom?

chandrakavi · 27-07-2007, 10:21 AM

infinite freedom OF COURSE, ANYTHING TEMPORARY IS ONLY AN ASPIRIN!

myeika · 27-07-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chandrakavi

ANYTHING TEMPORARY IS ONLY AN ASPIRIN!

So true so true........ You made me laugh with that.....

cleft_asunder · 29-07-2007, 05:11 AM

I think you guys are misunderstanding the article. First off, what he's saying doesn't make sense. Of course everything is an illusion --a big artificial creation-- but the creation exists, and we're experiencing it. That is the key point. I'm concious of the illusion right now, and to say that this isn't happening is blatantly wrong. If nothing exists, why am I concious? Why am I alive? Saying that I'm not is nonsense.

Second, you guys probably haven't experienced your true state, or who you really are (enlightenment), and neither have I. But my point is that it seems you guys just seem to accept any idea that you happen to come accross, without really thinking about it. In other words, "whichever way the wind blows." If you guys genuinly agreed with the article, or even more knew that the information was correct, you would have posted something more than "Oh, that makes so much sense, the end."

Third, the problem with the article, as the author even mentioned, has to do with words. The words misslead you into thinking he's saying something different than what he's really saying, but I don't want to get into it.

Fourth, the author is telling us what reality through the Illusion. Like I said, I doubt he has experienced his true state. Therefore, his conclusions are based on intellectuality. So, if I were to draw a parallel, it would be like trying to find ultimate answers about reality through World of Warcraft. The only way to find out what's going on is asking the question, who am I? And once discovered, you can know the nature of reality, because you have seen through it.

Let's see how his conclusions ompare to Story Waters, who knows who he is:

Many wish to ascend from this physical plane in order to exist as pure spirit – escaping here to get there. There is no separate spiritual plane. It is here and now, within us. This challenges the way in which we have put spirituality, the spiritual plane, on a pedestal – as being different from both what and where we are. We are the spiritual, expressed in the physical. We are the spiritual plane expressed as the physical plane. There is no difference except a choice, an angle, of perception; that is the illusion.

Our biological perceptive system creates the illusion of physical matter and time. This world is the spiritual plane expressed through our space-time perception. Physicality does not create our problems; it is the powerful lens through which we are exploring ourselves. It is time to stop blaming our physicality, our choice of expression, as the cause of our suffering. Blaming is a denial of self-responsibility – a denial of our creatorship. It is blaming a mirror for what it reflects. Physicality only ever makes manifest what is already spiritually present.

The love, the peace, that has been projected onto existence in the spiritual plane, is available for you here and now. What you spiritually seek is not beyond this life. Ascension will not liberate you. That liberation is here and now, if you so choose it. This is seeing through the illusion of the veil. It is to see that there is no veil; there has never been any separation; the separation is the illusion. The divide of life and death does not separate you from anything. Death will not solve anything. Death will not free you. If you need death to free you then you are trapped, trapped in life. Life and death are not different. The physical plane and spiritual plane are not different. Death is an illusion. Life is an illusion. The beingness that you are both encompasses and creates this illusion.

You cannot escape the beingness that you are. There is no escape. This realization taps into the deepest fear, "I am eternally trapped in suffering”, but it is also the greatest gift, for within it is the realization that there is nothing you need to escape from. Contained in what you fear is the realization that there is nothing to fear. There is nothing you desire that can not be experienced here. You do not need to shed your body; it separates you from nothing. Being alive in physicality separates you from nothing. All life is here: as above so below.

Physical reality is not a cage. There is no separation to ascend across; release this duality; there is no boundary. The idea of ascension is the manifestation of separation from living your life fully in the here and now. Physicality is not separate from your spiritual being; physicality is the expression of your spiritual being. There is no separation in All That You Are. As long as the idea of ascension contains the energy of escape then it will be manifest as the experience of confinement (feeling trapped); escape is the creator, not liberator, of all cages. See the paradox. Release the journey of ascension to ascend. In ascension you do not go anywhere. To ascend is to open your eyes and see that you are ascended.

We are spirit exploring itself within physical matter. Physical matter is nothing but an altered perception of our spiritual selves. The choice is yours as to whether you want to be separate from your complete spiritual self through the idea of a lack to be ascended, or whether you wish to release that, and unite your physical self with your spiritual self and unite the planes of existence within you. This is the realization that death is no escape; ascension is no escape; there is nothing to escape from. All ideas of escape are trying to escape what you are seeking. All that you have ever sought to escape has been your own reflection. The more you seek to not be here, the more here you are. Embrace the paradox. Here is spiritual. Here is now. Here is physical. Here is where everything happens. Wake up and enjoy it!

montag · 29-07-2007, 05:57 AM

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All that you have ever sought to escape has been your own reflection. The more you seek to not be here, the more here you are. Embrace the paradox. Here is spiritual. Here is now. Here is physical. Here is where everything happens. Wake up and enjoy it!

Very cool, thanks for posting that Cleft..

ninpo · 10-08-2007, 05:44 PM

Dumbest shit I have read today. Congrats!

13-07-2007, 04:13 PM	#1
mada88 Guest Posts: n/a	You don't exist, so don't worry about it Has anyone seen this article about reality? http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...n.php?id=63575 It's on redice, a lot of it goes with what David has said. It's worth reading.

13-07-2007, 08:36 PM	#4
soundthief Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 110	amazing __________________ http://www.soundcloud.com/soundthief

29-07-2007, 05:11 AM	#15
cleft_asunder Inactive Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 3,718	I think you guys are misunderstanding the article. First off, what he's saying doesn't make sense. Of course everything is an illusion --a big artificial creation-- but the creation exists, and we're experiencing it. That is the key point. I'm concious of the illusion right now, and to say that this isn't happening is blatantly wrong. If nothing exists, why am I concious? Why am I alive? Saying that I'm not is nonsense. Second, you guys probably haven't experienced your true state, or who you really are (enlightenment), and neither have I. But my point is that it seems you guys just seem to accept any idea that you happen to come accross, without really thinking about it. In other words, "whichever way the wind blows." If you guys genuinly agreed with the article, or even more knew that the information was correct, you would have posted something more than "Oh, that makes so much sense, the end." Third, the problem with the article, as the author even mentioned, has to do with words. The words misslead you into thinking he's saying something different than what he's really saying, but I don't want to get into it. Fourth, the author is telling us what reality through the Illusion. Like I said, I doubt he has experienced his true state. Therefore, his conclusions are based on intellectuality. So, if I were to draw a parallel, it would be like trying to find ultimate answers about reality through World of Warcraft. The only way to find out what's going on is asking the question, who am I? And once discovered, you can know the nature of reality, because you have seen through it. Let's see how his conclusions ompare to Story Waters, who knows who he is: Many wish to ascend from this physical plane in order to exist as pure spirit – escaping here to get there. There is no separate spiritual plane. It is here and now, within us. This challenges the way in which we have put spirituality, the spiritual plane, on a pedestal – as being different from both what and where we are. We are the spiritual, expressed in the physical. We are the spiritual plane expressed as the physical plane. There is no difference except a choice, an angle, of perception; that is the illusion. Our biological perceptive system creates the illusion of physical matter and time. This world is the spiritual plane expressed through our space-time perception. Physicality does not create our problems; it is the powerful lens through which we are exploring ourselves. It is time to stop blaming our physicality, our choice of expression, as the cause of our suffering. Blaming is a denial of self-responsibility – a denial of our creatorship. It is blaming a mirror for what it reflects. Physicality only ever makes manifest what is already spiritually present. The love, the peace, that has been projected onto existence in the spiritual plane, is available for you here and now. What you spiritually seek is not beyond this life. Ascension will not liberate you. That liberation is here and now, if you so choose it. This is seeing through the illusion of the veil. It is to see that there is no veil; there has never been any separation; the separation is the illusion. The divide of life and death does not separate you from anything. Death will not solve anything. Death will not free you. If you need death to free you then you are trapped, trapped in life. Life and death are not different. The physical plane and spiritual plane are not different. Death is an illusion. Life is an illusion. The beingness that you are both encompasses and creates this illusion. You cannot escape the beingness that you are. There is no escape. This realization taps into the deepest fear, "I am eternally trapped in suffering”, but it is also the greatest gift, for within it is the realization that there is nothing you need to escape from. Contained in what you fear is the realization that there is nothing to fear. There is nothing you desire that can not be experienced here. You do not need to shed your body; it separates you from nothing. Being alive in physicality separates you from nothing. All life is here: as above so below. Physical reality is not a cage. There is no separation to ascend across; release this duality; there is no boundary. The idea of ascension is the manifestation of separation from living your life fully in the here and now. Physicality is not separate from your spiritual being; physicality is the expression of your spiritual being. There is no separation in All That You Are. As long as the idea of ascension contains the energy of escape then it will be manifest as the experience of confinement (feeling trapped); escape is the creator, not liberator, of all cages. See the paradox. Release the journey of ascension to ascend. In ascension you do not go anywhere. To ascend is to open your eyes and see that you are ascended. We are spirit exploring itself within physical matter. Physical matter is nothing but an altered perception of our spiritual selves. The choice is yours as to whether you want to be separate from your complete spiritual self through the idea of a lack to be ascended, or whether you wish to release that, and unite your physical self with your spiritual self and unite the planes of existence within you. This is the realization that death is no escape; ascension is no escape; there is nothing to escape from. All ideas of escape are trying to escape what you are seeking. All that you have ever sought to escape has been your own reflection. The more you seek to not be here, the more here you are. Embrace the paradox. Here is spiritual. Here is now. Here is physical. Here is where everything happens. Wake up and enjoy it! Last edited by cleft_asunder; 29-07-2007 at 05:23 AM.

10-08-2007, 05:44 PM	#17
ninpo Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 109	Default You don't exist, so don't worry about it Dumbest shit I have read today. Congrats!

13-07-2007, 06:14 PM	#2
21_12_2012 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bolton Manchester UK Posts: 3,505	Good article...easy to read too.

16-07-2007, 07:50 AM	#6
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	This article is what I understand DI to be saying. Lets assume its true for a minute, should we pursue/value a life of illusionary reality, or should we break the illusion. A question for humanity. Maybe we can have both? What do you think?

16-07-2007, 11:25 PM	#8
james777 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 821	Yeh, I read it, but honestly it just sounds like more bullshit to me. Grammatically it's a masterpiece but realistically it's just another cute story of dis-info and useless conjecture.

19-07-2007, 07:33 PM	#11
earthseed Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Multiverse Posts: 420	Hmm or another way to make a great slave. Stop complaining you don't even exist. Isn't that what abusive parents tell their children? The mind control knows no end does it? If you are aware in any state you exist sorry I wish I had a solution to existence but pretending it away isn't the answer.

27-07-2007, 10:21 AM	#13
chandrakavi Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 804	infinite freedom OF COURSE, ANYTHING TEMPORARY IS ONLY AN ASPIRIN!