Today's Protest

[adbasque]

Are we achieving anything?

Today's protest won't prove a thing, people will be pushed around and give the Globalist an opportunity to point a finger at those protesters as if they are the bad guys.

The problem is, there are several groups and they all protesting about different things, do you think this will hurt the G20 bastards? or their Masters?

Absolutely not, they couldn't care less, they go on and do what they came to do, tonight everybody will go home and it will be business as usual.

If we want to hurt them, it's not by going out and screaming, all we have to do is look at what history taught us, it's been done before and no change was achieved.

The only way to hurt these greedy bastards is if we hit their pockets, we should let them out to dry.
By NOT using their stupid system, not use their currency, disengage from their grip.

Nothing will be achieved this way, the problem won't move an inche.

The so called protesters aren't even organised, they are playing into their hands, playing their game, on their turf.

[bagatell]

Originally Posted by adbasque

Today's protest won't prove a thing

but it will make it perfectly obvious we all have a common enemy.

[disorder2k8]

no, they need to storm the parliament buildings if we ever hope to 'take anything back'


protesting does nothing except make you a terror suspect

[adbasque]

Originally Posted by bagatell

but it will make it perfectly obvious we all have a common enemy.

Believe me they already know that, it only looks like children screaming at an adult.
The only way they'll take notice is when they are hurt, and the only way to hurt them is not by smashing windows of a building, because that money will come out of our pocket to fix it.

We must be bigger than them otherwise, we would be P*** in the sand
I appreciate that some people are very angry, aren't we all?
I have been angry for the last 25+ years of my life, but this is not the way to go.

As I said tonight as if nothing happened, people will get up in the morning and go on with their business, these bastards will still enslave us.

[adbasque]

Originally Posted by disorder2k8

no, they need to storm the parliament buildings if we ever hope to 'take anything back'


protesting does nothing except make you a terror suspect

Even by storming the parliament building you'll still be counted as a terrorist
people are called terrorist for a lot less than that, sometimes just by expressing your views you could be labelled as a terrorist

[mightiswrong]

You want to be a real terraist? Plant a family garden. That will really piss them off.

[adbasque]

Originally Posted by mightiswrong

You want to be a real terraist? Plant a family garden. That will really piss them off.

What do you mean?

[adbasque]

Now all of these protests will work in their favour.
They are already interviewing a bunch of protesters, who are protesting about the global warming, and politician "must" do something about it blah blah.

Which means what the globalist wanted, is now coming from "the public" as if to say we are trying very hard to get them to tax us more.

They plant few fake protesters, agent provocateurs, and so on in order to get what they want out of this protests.

That wouldn't surprise me to see that this whole idea was theirs in the first place


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[void]

Originally Posted by adbasque

The only way to hurt these greedy bastards is if we hit their pockets, we should let them out to dry. By NOT using their stupid system, not use their currency, disengage from their grip. Nothing will be achieved this way, the problem won't move an inche. The so called protesters aren't even organised, they are playing into their hands, playing their game, on their turf.

Well, do it then.

Don't use the system.

Don't use money.

Don't pay your income tax.

Don't pay your council tax.

See how long before your life grinds to a halt and your neighbours don't come to your aid.

I've heard a lot from people that rough protest doesn't do a thing (let me agree that wet fish "street party" protests don't do a damn thing). But look at the Poll Tax riots. The riots scared the hell out of the government and they back tracked from it as a result. True, it appeared in another form years later as the Council Tax, but the public did win the day on the day that things became really serious and wasn't a "Street Party" (as many protests seem to be, nowadays). I keep hearing that rough protest won't do anything, and will play right into their hands. I understand the reasoning behind that, perfectly. But, then what is the alternative? A kind of opt out?

A Gandhian kind of passive non cooperation? Perhaps, but that is going to have to require everybody in this country to come on board or it will never work (as we saw with the collapse of the fuel protests years back). If you opt out of the system, your life as you know it will grind to a halt unless everybody in Britain comes on board and will stick it out until the very end.

Until somebody comes up with a workable practically applicable model for an alternative to violent outburst, this idea that rough protests won't do anything and will only play into their hands is just a spectator comment. As you say, if you do nothing you'll remain enslaved if you carry on living in the system. Very few people desire to be out of the system, no matter what they claim. The Government is only staying in place because we've allowed it to sit there laughing at us and having expensive meals at expensive summits.

Rough protestors may make us feel uncomfortable, but are we who feel it's all playing into the hands of the government, any better or wiser? We may convince ourselves that we are, but are we really? If there had been 500,000 people in London today, the city would not have had enough police officers to contain the people. Both forms of action (either "direct and rough protest" or "non cooperation with the system") require everybody to be on board. Until they are, the former will soon be contained by armoured police, and the later will just sit and home enslaved, and say "Protest isn't the way".

[deathcultreject]

Originally Posted by adbasque

Are we achieving anything?

Today's protest won't prove a thing, people will be pushed around and give the Globalist an opportunity to point a finger at those protesters as if they are the bad guys.

The problem is, there are several groups and they all protesting about different things, do you think this will hurt the G20 bastards? or their Masters?

Absolutely not, they couldn't care less, they go on and do what they came to do, tonight everybody will go home and it will be business as usual.

If we want to hurt them, it's not by going out and screaming, all we have to do is look at what history taught us, it's been done before and no change was achieved.

The only way to hurt these greedy bastards is if we hit their pockets, we should let them out to dry.
By NOT using their stupid system, not use their currency, disengage from their grip.

Nothing will be achieved this way, the problem won't move an inche.

The so called protesters aren't even organised, they are playing into their hands, playing their game, on their turf.

And it will make police work more stressful for the good apples and more enjoyable for the bad ones, etc. etc.

But protesting sends out a signal to everyone who's feeling down trodden and desperate.

I think that's a good thing, at least.

[mightiswrong]

Originally Posted by adbasque

What do you mean?

I mean focus your energy on creating a kin's domain. Draw a plan like the example below. Plant your family tree in a pot ready to go into your kin's domain. The war on terra is about destroying the earth. A terraist is one who protects the earth. The only power they have is the power we have given up. On an important level this is the power to have ones own food supply. If you have food and water you can preety much tell them to shove their system where the sun don't shine. You also then have all the time in the world to explore other aspects and to do art, learn, teach etc. I am talking about short circuiting the system, bypassing it.

[steevo]

A mixture of all sorts of different opinions and deceivers :-

G20 March In London - The People Are Angry - Anarchist Socialist Demonstration - YouTube

G20 March In London - The People Are Angry - Anarchist Socialist Demonstration - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMw8yKtZPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMw8yKtZPo

[mightiswrong]

There is a new culture manifesting. It is almost here. I can see it sometimes sort of like the world is shape shifting. Imagine that. Everything is going to be so happy. I can see the children smiling and the flowers. Oh the flowers. The flower bed. LOL.

[adbasque]

Originally Posted by void

Well, do it then.

Don't use the system.

Don't use money.

Don't pay your income tax.

Don't pay your council tax.

See how long before your life grinds to a halt and your neighbours don't come to your aid.

I can't do it on my own, nobody can, and not even couple of millions people can.
That's not what I am talking about my friend

what is the alternative? A kind of opt out?

There's no silver bullet answer to this, but we know from history that these kinds of protests don't solve the problem, you said it yourself, yes the pol tax was removed and came back in a different form as council tax.

Did that solve the problem, and I am sorry we are not here to win the day, we are here to find a permanent solution, I am not saying it's an easy task
There will be sarifices from everybody alon the way.

I am talking about the nation as a whole, we need to raise awarness, spread the word and convince people that this should stop.

A Gandhian kind of passive non cooperation? Perhaps, but that is going to have to require everybody in this country to come on board or it will never work (as we saw with the collapse of the fuel protests years back). If you opt out of the system, your life as you know it will grind to a halt unless everybody in Britain comes on board and will stick it out until the very end.

Yes exactly, the whole nation should rise up and make a stop to it, yes it is not an easy task, in some areas it might even look as an impossible task, but it can be done.

And not only in Britain, we need to root out these guys, otherwise they'll just popup somewhere else, it has to be a global solution, as they have a grip on our planet.

It's a disgrace and an insult to the human race, a bunch of low lives controls the entire humanity?
This has to stop, we have no other options, we cannot sit down and discuss it with them, they need to be put behind bars for the rest of their lives.

Yes i repeat once again, I am not saying it's an easy task, and we can't sit here waiting for somebody to come up with a plan, there are no plans.

That's the only plan, spread the word, get people together, organise meetings and draft some action, things will be done at the same time.

A complete disengagement from the "System" as we know it, create another system.

Yes if people start finding out what is legally required of them to pay, I bet half of what we are paying the establishment is illegally imposed on us.

The same goes for the USA, France and many other countries.
We are afraid, because we assume that everything that is imposed on us, has to be legal, nobody ever questions why do I have to pay this and that.

We grew up found our fathers paying without asking questions and we just followed their footsteps, thinking we must pay this, we must pay that, and so on.

We only pay what people, nation "us" decided to pay and for a common cause.
Pay the
NIS
Council tax (why?)
Income tax (why?)
TV Licence (Why)
Fuel tax (why?)
Food Tax (Why?)
VAT why?
and much more and not to mention what the banks charge you for the privilege of having a bank account, which the system is designed to force to have a bank account or you won't get a job, why?

These things should be removed.
and nobody is going to do it except us.

As for the protests, I know from history that it doesn't change a damn thing.
tonight they all go home and forget about it, they protested about Gaza, did it stop them?
They protested about the war in iraq did it stop them?
No

All I am saying is these protests are not going to achieve anything and you will see.

[gu3rr1lla]

Originally Posted by mightiswrong

is that a "permaculture" farm?

[deathcultreject]

Originally Posted by mightiswrong

There is a new culture manifesting. It is almost here. I can see it sometimes sort of like the world is shape shifting. Imagine that. Everything is going to be so happy. I can see the children smiling and the flowers. Oh the flowers. The flower bed. LOL.

Yay! It must be true! No one's ever said that before . . . ever . . .

[beetzart]

Why are there no protesters with banners saying 'Down with the fractional reserve system', or 'Down with Fiat Currency' maybe? The FRS is the reason why the bankers have got so powerful; do these protesters never happen to stumble upon this fact?

[adbasque]

Originally Posted by steevo

A mixture of all sorts of different opinions and deceivers :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMw8yKtZPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMw8yKtZPo

Oh Absolutely, that's what I mean when I say it's all down to the level of awarness.

Some people even think overthrowing the government, they simply don't get it.
lol
Sad but hey what can we do apart from keep the pressure on them.

There's also one thing to consider, when there are protests like these, they also send their own to mix with real protesters.

to divert to disperse the real protesters, anti wars, anti Israel, Socialists, anti capitalism, pro global warming protesters, you name it it's there, which breaks the unity into small controlable groups.

they have been preparing for this, they have been studying us for a very longtime.

Just watch nothing will come out of this protests, in a way they allow these protests, they want to see how much we know, how much awarness is out there, how angry people are, and above all how many will turn up.

Unfortunately a lot of people still don't get it

[adbasque]

Originally Posted by deathcultreject

And it will make police work more stressful for the good apples and more enjoyable for the bad ones, etc. etc.

But protesting sends out a signal to everyone who's feeling down trodden and desperate.

I think that's a good thing, at least.

lol and then what? make the police work harder, will that solve anything, is your life going to get any better?
are you going to live a peaceful life without any major worries? no

I am not here to make a policeman work harder, the policeman is just a citizen dumbed down working to feed his family.

I doubt very much that they are aware, and if they are aware of what's going on, they get caught like everyone else, scared if I leave the force, where am I going to get a job?

Fear, Fear, Fear, they used it and they still use it against each and everyone of us.

We are freightened to take action.

[steevo]

If all the GENUINE protestors were aware of the truth*, then this protest today would have made a hell of alot of difference. But then maybe they wouldnt have bothered protesting BUT maybe it would have the opposite effect, maybe MORE people would have been protesting (a domino effect of the amount of people who are aware).

Awareness (spreading the info) is the key.

* please dont reply say "what is "truth" anyway ?". There are ALREADY lots of threads on THAT subject. Thanks.