What Is Time?

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by night_gaunt

If he loses the necklace and grows out his beard

Are you interested in time travelling, or are you going to buy him a dress and a doll?

[codie]

Originally Posted by night_gaunt

Hell no. Just look at his hair.
If I'm going to time travel, I'm going to time travel in style.

Brilliant

[heartbeatsalute]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sci...ime-travel.htm


Here is an interesting article.


Time is malleable.

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From millennium-skipping Victorians to phone booth-hopping teenagers, the term time travel often summons our most fantastic visions of what it means to move through the fourth dimension. But of course you don't need a time machine or a fancy wormhole to jaunt through the years.

As you've probably noticed, we're all constantly engaged in the act of time travel. At its most basic level, time is the rate of change in the universe -- and like it or not, we are constantly undergoing change. We age, the planets move around the sun, and things fall apart.

We measure the passage of time in seconds, minutes, hours and years, but this doesn't mean time flows at a constant rate. Just as the water in a river rushes or slows depending on the size of the channel, time flows at different rates in different places. In other words, time is relative.

But what causes this fluctuation along our one-way trek from the cradle to the grave? It all comes down to the relationship between time and space. Human beings frolic about in the three spatial dimensions of length, width and depth. Time joins the party as that most crucial fourth dimension. Time can't exist without space, and space can't exist without time. The two exist as one: the space-time continuum. Any event that occurs in the universe has to involve both space and time.

In this article, we'll look at the real-life, everyday methods of time travel in our universe, as well as some of the more far-fetched methods of dancing through the fourth dimension.

[heartbeatsalute]

Time Traveler Confession - YouTube

Time Traveler Confession - YouTube

[syriano]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

" In 1572 Pope Gregory announced that a new calendar was to be introduced, The Gregorian Calendar, and it was implemented in October 1582.
It was another Brotherhood scam and the Gregorian Calendar became the fixed standard time for the planet.

This means that the human mind is tuned to this manufactured flow of 'time'
when we look at a clock, watch, or plan the future with a diary

(....) The Gregorian Calendar is a farce.It is the time eqauivalent of throwing all your clothes in a wardrobe and leaning against the door to stop it flinging open. Here we have a 12 month year of 6o minute hours and 24 hour day with the months so ill fitting that some are 30 days, others 31 , another 28, or 29 every four years. The idea was to disconnect human conciousness from Moon time , and the Gregorian Calendar removed the 13th moon . Instead we have 12 months and 12 moon cycles The Brotherhood hierarchy still l operate their calendars to Moon time--another reason for their obsession with 13.

And when you disconnect people from the natural flow of time ,you are disconnecting them from all that operates in that flow of time. Thus the Western (and incresingly Global 'civilisation') has lost his rapport with the natural world and is out of sync with its environment."

THE BIGGEST SECRET----DAVID ICKE

Good David Icke quote on Time

So what calender should we use, or what is the conclusion of time.

If there is no 'real' time how should we deal and aknowledge the day / night cycles?

I cant get my head around all this.

[ultimate_warlord]

Originally Posted by syriano

So what calender should we use, or what is the conclusion of time.

If there is no 'real' time how should we deal and aknowledge the day / night cycles?

I cant get my head around all this.

It`s all very well philosophizing time (whatever that is) away, but try to erase painful memories....
Which means...time (?) does exist if not on the outside, surely inside your experience.
And then you die !!!

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by syriano

So what calender should we use, or what is the conclusion of time.

If there is no 'real' time how should we deal and aknowledge the day / night cycles?

I cant get my head around all this.

Keep using your watch(night and day cycle) and the gregorian calendar, that is Utilitarian time, night and day, establishment time, just be aware that time is "man-made"

If you are lucky enough to learn to use the Mayan calendar, fine.

But use the real and the Utilitatian one. No big deal.

[heartbeatsalute]

You have tried to calculate Lord Brahma’s age by using some figure the scientists think is correct for the age of the earth. But their figures and their thinking is not very useful. The problem is they work with information they perceive through their senses and their senses are imperfect. The whole process of science, which is observation and experiment, is flawed because all our observations are perceived through our imperfect

There is a story often told of a frog in a well.

The well is three-feet wide and the frog was born there and has spent all his life at the bottom of this well. To him that well is the universe and his senses cannot perceive anything beyond the well. So he tries to understand everything by relating it to his experience at the bottom of the well…

So one day another frog hops into his well and says, “I have seen a vast mass of water. It is called the Atlantic Ocean.” So our frog says, “Oh yes, is it twice as big as my well?” His friend goes on to say how vast the Atlantic Ocean is, but our frog can only think in terms of his well. To him his well is the entire universe, very important and big indeed… So he cannot even imagine such a vast expanse of water as the Atlantic Ocean.

Our scientist friends are no better off than the frog in the bottom of the well. Their view of the universe is no more expansive than the small circle of sky the frog can see out of the top of his well.

Of course our Dr. Frog can look up into the sky and sometimes see blue sky, sometimes clouds, sometimes a black background with twinkling stars, and he can make so much science and philosophy to explain it all. But what use is such science and philosophy and what hope really has Dr. Frog got of actually stumbling on the truth?

[codie]

Originally Posted by syriano

So what calender should we use, or what is the conclusion of time.

If there is no 'real' time how should we deal and aknowledge the day / night cycles?

I cant get my head around all this.

Time is a concept known only to man, for today.......be a sunflower.

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by codie

Time is a concept known only to man, for today.......be a sunflower.

Beautiful codie!

We live in time, but belong to eternity.

[jon galt]

A mesurment of change. A relationship between two events. Objective to the observers speed and place Ie is bent by warpages of space, gps satalite clocks will record time differently to those on earth. If relativity is fact the as light travels at the speed of light from the photons perspective time stops ie it experiences no change and simualtainiously travels from point a to b only to an indepenent observer does it travel any distance or move through space. Or somethin like that.

Our scientist friends are no better off than the frog in the bottom of the well. Their view of the universe is no more expansive than the small circle of sky the frog can see out of the top of his well.

Of course our Dr. Frog can look up into the sky and sometimes see blue sky, sometimes clouds, sometimes a black background with twinkling stars, and he can make so much science and philosophy to explain it all. But what use is such science and philosophy and what hope really has Dr. Frog got of actually stumbling on the truth?

This is a limitation of man at best all we can hope for is that our theories can make predictions, for all intents and purpose even if a theory is not a truth it it can accurately predict, for all intents and purposes it is valid and gives a degree of certainty to the world. Hawkings ( and others) realize this. Hawking fish bowl is pretty similar to your frog in the well. Basically a fish in a curved bowl would have a warped view of the world out side, objects traveling in a straight line would appear distorted. The fish could come up with models about how the object would move, they would be wrong and overly complicated but non the less make accurate predictions ie where it would land. He likens our reality to the bowl and us to the fish

[heartbeatsalute]

Here's some more to add to the mix:


There are two time concepts in the world. In the West, the linear time concept has been prevalent. Christians, Jews, Mohammedans -- they are all offshoots of one judaic concept of life. They have believed in the linear concept of time; that time is moving in a line. The eastern concept -- the hindu, the buddhist, the jainist concept -- is different. It is circular. Time is moving in a circle.

If time is moving in a line, then things are not repeated again. The line goes on moving; it never comes back to meet and move on the same old track again. If time is thought to be circular, then everything is being repeated. And the eastern time concept seems to be more true -- because every movement is circular.

Just watch all the movements. The seasons moving around the year are circular -- again comes the summer... again, again. In the same way it moves. The earth moves in a circle, the sun moves in a circle, the stars move in a circle. And now Albert Einstein has suggested that the whole universe is also moving in a circle. Not only that -- Einstein introduced a very strange concept to the physics, and that is the concept of circular space. The whole space is circular.

The East has always thought that the circle is the natural way of things. They move in a circle and by and by they become circular. All movement is circular. Then time has also to be circular, because time is nothing but pure movement. If you think about time as circular then the whole world view changes. Your whole life is also circular according to the eastern way of seeing.


---OSHO

[codie]

Yes I find it hard to imagine time moving in a line because them there would be a beginning and a rather abrupt end.
How would time coming to an absolute END look? That's hard to comprehend.
If time just reaches the END then what?

Then nothingness ....spooky....or not seeing as nobody would know.....or something.

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by codie

Yes I find it hard to imagine time moving in a line because them there would be a beginning and a rather abrupt end.
How would time coming to an absolute END look? That's hard to comprehend.
If time just reaches the END then what?

Then nothingness ....spooky....or not seeing as nobody would know.....or something.

my understanding is what existed prior to the big bang will remain unknown as is what is out side the universe. that the space and time of our universe were created with the big bang (kinda like being in the inside of a balloon)and that time moves forward because the universe is expanding, that time is a measurement/effect of how much space is expanding?. they get round time having a beginning by claiming that initially the big bang was a quantum event and for some reason at the quantum level space and time are connected along the lines of Einstein space-time. that said i do feel that there is cause and effect at least at our material level of reality.

[learner]

Great posts on this thread.

Yes I quite agree,that from man's perception time seems linear. Noticeable changes of events or one point to another is measured with units. Our concept to our physical reality is taken from our experience in life and observations. In fact IMO we are still under the illusion that all things must have a beginning and therefore there must be an end to all existence.

Is it really, some must wonder ?

Very much like the frog in the well. We witness birth and death,growth from a small seed to a large tree,things that were once solid turned into ash. This is our experienced observation of linear time proportionate only to our understanding.

By this notion of measurement,we then assume the universe started this way,for example the big bang which then ultimately comes to an end,reversing to being compressed down to a singular sub particle.(by some concepts)

My question is ; Why does there have to be a beginning and an end to anything seen or unseen,- Known or unknown in the first place? What is wrong with always was and will be?

The ingredients to any existence, is always here. material and immaterial by any perception. Beyond our physical universe I would guess and say,-there shouldn't be any time to be able to be measured at all.(obviously).
Time then stands still !!

[heartbeatsalute]

My question is ; Why does there have to be a beginning and an end to anything seen or unseen,- Known or unknown in the first place? What is wrong with always was and will be?

IT is a circle with NO beginning and No end. It is not linear.
Time doesn't exist, we have man made a sytem to measure it, but
Time is of no importance, if human beings are not on this earth.Time simply IS.
It is eternal.

[learner]

IT is a circle with NO beginning and No end. It is not linear.
Time doesn't exist, we have man made a sytem to measure it, but
Time is of no importance, if human beings are not on this earth.Time simply IS.
It is eternal.

Yes indeed,I believe in the cycle/circle of over and over again. This is true infinity in this regard. The re-occurrence of physical universes and all that contained within.
Time is only relevant with physical matter.

[heartbeatsalute]

A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawkins.
Interesting book.

A good review:

http://www.jupiterscientific.org/review/bht.html

[godgoo]

Originally Posted by chandrakavi

I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,
and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

Psychological time is a fake although a bit less of a fake. One is more into his or her emotions ,feels time going by slower or faster according how happy or unhappy things are going ,still the day has 24 hours, but feels sdifferently. It has more to do with art, beauty ,dreams. Children live in Psychological time, no hurry at all, versus adults who are always in a hurry,
therefore misunderstanding is very easy among them.
Sometimes couples have a big fight over something not realizing he wants to get somewhere on time(he is living in the Cronological time) and she is taking her time tochoose a beautiful dress(psychological time)

Existential time, or REAL time ,has to do with meaning within us,
it is not CHRONOLOGICAL , not utilitarian, not psychological, not outer,
but the inner , there is no separation of past, present and futurre. The past is merely a memory, only the present exists, and teh future as not yet come,
(one of the reasons why politicians, Illuminatis an such, only SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE, because if they talk about the past they messed up things, and there is no longer an illusion that things might turn right , because we KNOW they turned wrong, in the present time everything is also wrong, so what can they talk about except the illusion of the future that has not yet come?)
The mayans of Mexico ahd a calendar withh each day being different, with 364 plus one day out of time. Years later the Vatican with Pope Gregoius changed that to the gregorian calendar we have today, a Cronological calendar, meaningless, UTILITARIAN only.

Time has been since a long time ago an Implanted belief ,on one side, and a necessity (just like money) on the other side.
If after a war, everyone dead, all cloks telling time ,but who needs to know? If man is no longer on the planet ,time will have died with human beings also,
since it was an invention.

Most people in madhouses, are living in psychological time, one has to get out of that illusiory time. and go to the existential. And being aware that although a fake the Cronological Time and psychological time are needed
to put us in order, including the people from the Old world order.
If we understand what time is, we will have understood one of the greatest truth. Also, although it can't be changed, one of the greatest systems of control ever, based on the earth's rotation day and night.
We are happy the way past present and future have been divided,
but we only have the present moment, the rest is feelings memories dreams,
and the utilitarian (work to earn a living)
Things won't change, all"different times" will continue to be used, understanding of it iiiiiis interesting.

http://tf.nist.gov/general/glossary.htm

One of my wealthy

[godgoo]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

IT is a circle with NO beginning and No end. It is not linear.
Time doesn't exist, we have man made a sytem to measure it, but
Time is of no importance, if human beings are not on this earth.Time simply IS.
It is eternal.

Hardy Weinberg

Hardy–Weinberg principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hardy–Weinberg principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hardy–Weinberg principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Units of year, hour, minute, second, tens of year.

Gel Electrophoresis

Gel electrophoresis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gel electrophoresis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gel electrophoresis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Time.... Length. word. Letter.