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Crowley's influence on Hubbard
Hubbard and Black Magick The Adeptus Exemptus "Like surrealism, occultism tries to break the domination of rational philosophy and logic, stressed by Descartes. Occultism is based on the belief in a higher reality of certain forms of association through the cabbala, faith in the power of dream- and trance-images, and in the stream of words uncensored by the intellect." - P. R. Koenig, "Ecstatic Creation of Culture" "Hubbard had experienced a peculiar hallucination in 1938, while under nitrous oxide during a dental operation. He believed that he had died during the operation and while dead been shown a great wealth of knowledge." - Tony McClelland, "The Total Freedom Trap" According to Forrest Ackerman, Hubbard's former literary agent, Hubbard's vision appeared when he "died" on an operating table during the war. "Basically what he told me was that after he died he rose in spirit form and looked back on the body he had formerly inhabited. Over yonder he saw a fantastic great gate, elaborately carved like something you'd see in Baghdad or ancient China. As he wafted towards it, the gate opened and just beyond he could see a kind of intellectual smorgasbord on which was outlined everything that had ever puzzled the mind of man. All the questions that had concerned philosophers through the ages - When did the world begin? Was there a God? Whither goest we? - were there answered. All this information came flooding into him and while he was absorbing it, there was a sort of flustering in the air and he felt something like a long umbilical cord pulling him back. He was saying 'No, no, not yet!', but he was pulled back anyway. After the gates had closed he realized he had re-entered his body." "According to Ron, he jumped off the operating table, ran to his Quonset hut, got two reams of paper and a gallon of scalding black coffee and for the next 48 hours, at a blinking rate, he wrote a work called Excalibur, or The Dark Sword" Hubbard "said that as he shopped the manuscript around, the people who read it either went insane or committed suicide. The last time he showed it to a publisher, he was sitting in an office waiting for a reader to give his opinion. The reader walked into the office, tossed the manuscript on the desk and then threw himself out of the window." "He said it was in a bank vault and it was going to stay there. I think he was quite sincere. He seemed like a man who had seen too many people go crazy or commit suicide, who had enough on his conscience already. I never did get to see the manuscript or show it to any publisher. In fact, I never encountered anyone who said they had seen it." - Forrest Ackerman Art Burks, a fellow writer, did see the manuscript, but in 1938. "He told me it was going to revolutionize everything: the world, people's attitudes to one another. He thought it would have a greater impact upon people than the Bible." - Art Burks "Burk's recollection of the manuscript was that it was about seventy thousand words long and began with a fable about a king who gathered all his wise men together and commanded them to bring him all the wisdom of the world in five hundred books. He then told them to go away and condense the information into one hundred books. When they had done that, he wanted the wisdom reduced into one book and finally one word. That word was 'survive'." - Russell Miller, Bare-Faced Messiah Yes, There Was a Book Called "Excalibur" by L. Ron Hubbard Arthur Burks recalls many fascinating details in the unpublished novel "Hubbard had clear connections to the occult. Even in the first publication of Dianetics in 'Astounding Science Fiction' [May 1950 p. 66], Hubbard in explaining how he did his 'research' into what the mind was doing, says he used 'automatic writing, speaking and clairvoyance'." - Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare" "Scientology bears substantial resemblance to much other contemporary trance channeled material." - Dissertation Abstracts, 1954, volume 14, page 390 "Hubbard's intense curiosity about the mind's power led him into a friendship in 1946 [actually August 1945] with rocket fuel scientist John Whiteside Parsons. Parsons was a protege of British satanist Aleister Crowley and leader of a black-magic group modeled after Crowley's infamous occult lodge in England. - "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990 "Parsons and Hubbard lived in an aging mansion on South Orange Grove Avenue in Pasadena, Calif. The estate was home to an odd mix of Bohemian artists, writers, scientists and occultists. A small domed temple supported by six stone columns stood in the back yard. "Hubbard met his second wife, Sara Northrup, at the mansion. Although she was Parsons' lover at the time, Hubbard was undeterred. He married Northrup before divorcing his first wife." - "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990 "Although he [Hubbard] has no formal training in Magick, he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce that he is in direct contact with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel ... He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met, and is in complete accord with our own principles ... I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty [Sara Northrup] and I are the best of friends there is little loss. I cared for her rather deeply, but I have no desire to control her emotions, and I can, I hope, control my own. I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind...""Long before the 1960s counterculture, some residents of the estate smoked marijuana and embraced a philosophy of promiscuous, ritualistic sex." - - "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990 Aleister Crowley had sought to bring into being an Anti-Christ: A "living being in form resembling man, and possessing those qualities of man which distinguish him from beasts, namely intellect and power of speech, but neither begotten in the manner of human generation, nor inhabited by a human soul." - Aleister Crowley, The Book of the Law "The core of this Working [by Parsons] consisted of the utilisation of the Enochian Tablet of Air, or rather a specific angle of it. This was to be the focus of VIII* sexual magick, with the purpose of giving substance to the elemental summons. Parsons continued with this for eleven days, evoking twice daily. He noted various psychic phenomena during this period, but felt discouraged by the apparent failure of the Operation. However, success followed several days later." - Michael Staley, "The Babalon Working" "The feeling of tension and unease continued for four days. Then on January 18 [1946] at sunset, whilst the Scribe and I were on the Mojave Desert, the feeling of tension suddenly stopped. I turned to him and said 'it is done', in absolute certainty that the Operation was accomplished. I returned home, and found a young woman [Marjorie Cameron] answering the requirements waiting for me. She is describable as an air of fire type with bronze red hair, fiery and subtle, determined and obstinate, sincere and perverse, with extraordinary personality, talent and intelligence. During the period of January 19 to February 27 I invoked the Goddess BABALON [a particular aspect of the Egyptian goddess Nuit] with the aid of magical partner (Ron Hubbard), as was proper to one of my grade."Reportedly the words of Babalon, consisting of 77 short verses, communicated to Parsons by unknown means in the Mohave desert at the end of February, "Liber 49 contains instructions for the earthing of this Babalon current in the form of an avatar, daughter or manifestation of Babalon, who was to appear amongst us. It would seem that Parsons was expecting a full-blown incarnation, and not simply the inauguration of a force." - Michael Staley, "The Babalon Working" "With the assistance of his new friend [L. Ron Hubbard], he [Jack Parsons] intended to try and create a 'moonchild' - a magical child 'mightier than all the kings of the earth', whose birth had been prophesied in the Book of the Law more than forty years earlier." - Russell Miller, Bare-Faced Messiah "The Aeon of Horus is of the nature of a child. To perceive this, we must conceive of the nature of a child without the veil of sentimentality - beyond good and evil, perfectly gentle, perfectly ruthless, containing all possibilities within the limits of heredity, and highly susceptible to training and environment. But the nature of Horus is also the nature of force - blind, terrible, unlimited force."On March 2, 1946, Hubbard, Parsons and Marjorie Cameron, the "scarlet women" engaged in sexual rites in the Ordo Templi Orientis lodge in South Orange California. Hubbard, as scribe, intoned: "Make a box of blackness at ten o'clock. Smear the vessel which contains flame with thine own blood. Destroy at the altar a thing of value. Remain in perfect silence and heed the voice of our Lady. Speak not of this ritual or of her coming to any person..."The neighbors began protesting when the rituals called for a naked pregnant woman to jump nine times through fire in the yard." - L. Sprague de Camp (science-fiction author who knew both Hubbard and Parsons) "Apparently Parsons or Hubbard or somebody is producing a Moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts.""After the Babalon Working had been concluded, all that Parsons could do was watch and wait. He had been told that the Operation had succeeded, that conception had occurred, and that in due course the avatar or Daughter of Babalon would come to him, bearing a secret sign that Parsons alone would recognise, and which would prove her authenticity. Hubbard, though, had rather more mundane considerations on his mind, and several weeks later he and Betty absconded with a vast amount of Parsons' money. This amounted to many thousands of dollars as an investment in Allied Enterprises, a fund set up by Parsons, Betty and Hubbard, and into which Parsons was pursuaded to sink most of his savings." - Michael Staley, "The Babalon Working" "About J.W.P. - all that I can say is that I am sorry - I feel sure that he had fine ideas, but he was led astray firstly by Smith [former head of the Agapé Lodge of the O.T.O. in California], then he was robbed of his last penny by a confidence man named Hubbard.""Hubbard and Parsons finally had a falling out over a sailboat sales venture [Allied Enterprises] that ended in a court dispute between the two. In later years, Hubbard tried to distance himself from his embarrassing association with Parsons, who was founder of a government rocket project at the California Institute of Technology that later evolved into the famed Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Parsons died in 1952 when a chemical explosion ripped through his garage lab." "Hubbard insisted that he had been working undercover for Naval Intelligence to break up black magic in America and to investigate links between the occultists and prominent scientists at the Parsons' mansion. Hubbard said the mission was so successful that the house was razed and the black-magic group was dispersed. But Parsons' widow, Cameron, disputed Hubbard's account in a brief interview with the Los Angeles Times. She said the two men 'liked each other very much' and 'felt they were ushering in a force that was going to change things'." - "LRH, the story of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology", St. Petersburg Times, June 24, 1990 "Hubbard continued the practice of Magick after leaving Parsons....The 'Affirmations' are voluminous. The introduction alone runs to thirty pages. They are in Ron Hubbard's own hand. Only a tiny portion was read into the court record [during the Armstrong case], and the originals were held under court seal. In the 'Affirmations' Hubbard hypnotized himself to believe that all of humanity and all discarnate beings were bound to him in slavery. Mary Sue Hubbard's attorney claimed these statements were part of Hubbard's 'research'. "Also under court seal was a document with the tantalizing title 'the Blood Ritual'. The title was Hubbard's own. This document was apparently so sensitive that no part of it was read into the record. The Scientology lawyer asserted that the deity invoked in 'The Blood Ritual' is an Egyptian god of Love. Parson had mentioned Hubbard's guardian angel, 'The Empress'. Nibs Hubbard says his father also called his guardian angel Hathor, or Hathoor. Hathor is an Egyptian goddess, the daughter and mother of the great sun god Amon-Ra, the principal Egyptian deity. She was depicted as a winged and spotted cow feeding humanity; a goddess of Love and Beauty. But she had a second aspect, not always mentioned in texts on Egyptian mythology, that of the 'avenging lioness', Sekmet, a destructive force. One authority has called her 'the destroyer of man'. This is the 'God of Love' to whom 'The Blood Ritual' ceremony was dedicated. Since doing my research I have seen a copy of 'The Blood Ritual', and it is indeed addressed to Hathor. Nuit, Re, Mammon and Osiris are also invoked. The ceremony consisted of Ron and his then wife mingling their blood to become one." "Arthur Burks has left an account of a meeting with Hubbard before the Second War, where Hubbard said that his guardian angel, a 'smiling woman', protected him when he was flying gliders. One early Dianeticist asked Hubbard how he had managed to write Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health in three weeks. Hubbard said it was produced through automatic writing, dictated by an entity called the 'Empress'. In Crowley's Tarot, the Empress card represents, among other things, debauchery, and Crowley also associated the card with Hathor. "To Crowley, Babalon was a manifestation of the Hindu goddess Shakti, who in one of her aspects is also called the 'destroyer of man'. It seems that to Hubbard, Babalon, Hathor, and the Empress were synonymous, and he was trying to conjure his 'Guardian Angel' in the form of a servile homunculus to he could control the 'destroyer of man'. "There was also a correspondence between Diana and Isis to Crowley, and the Empress card represented not only Hathor, but Isis, in Crowley's system. Diana is the patroness of witchcraft. Hubbard later called one of his daughters Diana, and the name of the first Sea Org yacht was changed from Enchanter to Diana." - Jon Atack, A Piece of Blue Sky  Use of Magick in Scientology "The whole and sole object of all true magickal training is to become free from every kind of limitation.""Conventional religions, with their colorful mythologies analyzed in terms of the underlying philosophical principles, represent simply the primitive longing of man to feel 'at one' with the Universal harmony he perceives about him. 'White' magic, as advocated by primitive pagan and modern institutional religions, offers devotees the illusion of 're-inclusion' in the Universal scheme of things through various ritualistic devotions and superstitions. "The Black Magician, on the other hand, rejects both the desirability of union with the Universe and any self-deceptive antics designed to create such an illusion. He has considered the existence of the individual psyche - the 'core you' of your conscious intelligence - and has taken satisfaction from its existence as something unlike anything else in the Universe. The Black Magician desires this psyche to live, to experience, and to continue. He does not wish to die - or to lose his consciousness and identity in a larger, Universal consciousness [assuming that such exists]. He wants to be." -- John Youril, "The Temple of Set FAQ" Hubbard defines operating thetan, a spiritual being freed by Scientology practices as "an individual who could *operate* totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn't have one. He's now himself, he's not dependent on the universe around him." - Scientology Technical Dictionary "In the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures taped in 1952, Hubbard discusses occult magic of the middle ages, and recommends a current book - 'it's fascinating work in itself, and that's work written by Aleister Crowley, the late Aleister Crowley, my very good friend.' The book recommended was The Master Therion, (published in London in 1929) later re-released as Magick in Theory and Practise. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. asserts that during the time when the Philadelphia course was given his father would read Crowley's works 'in preparation for the next day's lecture...' - Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare" "...In these runes I are mysteries that no Beast shall divine. Let him not seek to try: But one cometh after him . . . who shall discouer the key to it all?""According to Ron Jr., his father considered himself to be the one 'who came after'; that he was Crowley's successor; that he had taken on the mantle of the 'Great Beast'. He told him that Scientology actually began on December the Ist, 1947. This was the day Aleister Crowley died." - Brent Corydon, Messiah or Madman "There are interesting similarities between Crowley's writings and the teachings of Hubbard. Dianetics' Time Track, in which every incident in a person's life is chronologically recorded in full in the mind, is quite similar to Crowley's Magical Memory. The Magical Memory is developed over time until ''memories of childhood reawaken which were previously forgotten, and memories of previous incarnations are recalled as well'. Hubbard gives examples in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course of several people remembering lives earlier on earth, some up to a million years ago. The similarity between the Magical Memory and Time Track, then, is that they both can recall every past incident in a person's life, they both can recall incidents from past lives, and they both must be developed by certain techniques in order to make use of them. Both Hubbard and Crowley consider it important to have the person recall his or her birth." - Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare" "Having allowed the mind to return for some hundred times to the hour of birth, it should be encouraged to endeavour to penetrate beyond that period." "After twenty runs through birth, the patient experienced a recession of all somatics and 'unconsciousness' and aberrative content." "Thus there was no inhibition about looking earlier than birth for what Dianetics had begun to call basic-basic.""Both Hubbard and Crowley are avowedly anti-psychiatry." - Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare" "Official psychoanalysis is therefore committed to upholding a fraud...Psychoanalysts have misinterpreted life, and announced the absurdity that every human being is essentially an anti-social, criminal, and insane animal.""Hubbard considered that psychiatry controlled most of society and was struggling to create their own 1984 world. Hubbard and Crowley both posit the ability of the person to leave his or her body at times. Crowley states that the way to learn to leave your body is to mock up a body like your own in front of your physical body. Eventually you will learn to leave your physical body with your 'astral body' and travel and view at will without physical restrictions. Hubbard teaches the same, and his method of "exteriorization" is to tell the person to 'have preclear mock up own body', which will send the person outside his body." "Both Crowley and Hubbard use an equilateral triangle pointing up in a circle as one of their group's symbols. Both use Volume 0 instead of Volume 1 to begin enumerating their works. One could go on for quite some time listing the similarities between Crowley's and Hubbard's theories and writings, but for more the reader is encouraged to look for him or herself. "In Crowley's Organization are several grade levels. To reach the Grade of Adeptus Exemptus 'The Adept must prepare and publish a thesis setting forth His knowledge of the Universe, and his proposals for its welfare and progress. He will thus be known as the leader of a school of thought.' [Magick] It is apparent that Hubbard has fulfilled this requirement." - Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare" A Hierarchy of Demons http://www.mystae.com/streams/gnosis/cos.html Related Sites Factnet Report: Hubbard and the OccultComprehensive article by Jon Atack revealing the pervasive influence of the occult on Scientology Last edited by eternal_spirit; 14-02-2009 at 05:54 PM. |
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Scientology Terms
A major source for the definitions below is the alt.religion.scientology "Acronym/Terminology FAQ" by Martin G. V. Hunt AD "After Dianetics. Used on issues such as HCOB's [Hubbard Communication Office Bulletins] and HCOPL's [Hubbard Communication Office Policy Letters] to show the year. It's based on the Christian calendar, but with a base year of 1950 with the release of the cult classic 'Dianetics'; thus AD 15 = anno Domini 1965." - Martin G. V. Hunt ARS, alt.religion.scientology "The newsgroup this FAQ is posted to. Often lower-case; '30,000 people a month read ars, according to Arbitron.' (ars) after a definition shows that the source of the term is ars; terms which are sourced from Scientology itself have nothing after them. (act) is for terms from alt.clearing.technology." - Martin G. V. Hunt Auditing "The application of Dianetics or Scientology processes to someone by a trained auditor. The exact definiton of auditing is: The action of asking a person a question (which he can understand and answer), getting an answer to that question and acknowledging him for that answer." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) "Auditing usually involves a or Meter, with the PC holding onto the soup cans, and the Auditor taking down notes and asking questions." - Martin G. V. Hunt "At the heart of the auditing procedure is the use of hypnosis. Hypnosis is important because it is used within Scientology to deceive clients and cause them to believe that they are able to accomplish para-normal feats and regain memories of past life experiences. Typically, a person's confidence in the Scientology theory of reality and their acceptance of Scientology's authority in their lives is based on the mistaken belief that they hypnotically induced fantasies they experience during auditing are valid evidence of the truth of Scientology's claims." - Richard J. Ofshe, Ph.D, "A Very Brief Overview of Scientology" Auditor "A person trained and qualified in applying Dianetics and/or Scientology processes and procedures to individuals for their betterment, called an auditor because auditor means one who listens." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) Bank, or Reactive Mind "That portion of a person's mind which works on a totally stimulus-response basis, which is not under his volitional control and which exerts force and the power of command over his awareness, purposes, thoughts, body and actions. The reactive mind is where engrams are stored." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) "On a higher level Engrams are revealed to be none other than Body Thetans." - Martin G. V. Hunt Body Thetan Forbidden in Canada by the Religious Technology Center. In a confidential OTIII document, Hubbard defines this as a non-controlling thetan stuck to a body. Case "A general term for a person being treated or helped. It also refers to his condition, which is monitored by the content of his reactive mind. A person's case is the way he responds to the world around him." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) Clear "A person audited enough to be free of the 'bank'. A low-level superman-type person; a baby OT." - Martin G. V. Hunt "A Clear is an unaberrated person and is rational in that he forms the best possible solution he can on the data he has and from his viewpoint." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) Cluster Forbidden in Canada by the Religious Technology Center. In a confidential OTIII document, Hubbard defines this as a bunch of body thetans. Dianetics "The word comes from Greek dia, through, and nous, soul. Dianetics is defined as what the soul is doing to the body." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) "Hubbard's derivative mental healing therapy; scorned by the mental health profession as being unscientific nonsense." - Martin G. V. Hunt "On a 1909 lecture, Freud explained a method for uncovering traumatic memories. Patients were asked to recall earlier and earlier life incidents on a 'chain' until the emotional 'charge' was released. Hubbard not only took the technique, he even retained several of the expressions used by the translator of these lectures. Freud had abandoned the technique, because it was laborious and completely failed to uncover key repression's." "Hubbard took Freud's technique, added a little of the then-popular General Semantics, and asserted that the 'basic' or original traumatic incidents had occurred in the womb. In this he was following the work of Otto Rank, Nandor Fodor and J. Sadger. Hubbard also asserted that it was actually possible to recall prenatal incidents, right back to conception (the 'sperm dream''). Fodor too had written of prenatal memory." - Tony McClelland, "Scientology, Dianetics and L. Ron Hubbard - The Total Freedom Trap" "Hubbard introduced Dianetics in 1950 with his best-selling book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health." "According to Dianetics, every experience is recorded in the mind as a mental image. Painful experiences, called engrams, are not completely available to the "analytical," or conscious, mind. When stimulated by later experiences, engrams, which are part of the 'reactive', or subconscious, mind, cause irrational behaviour. Therapy requires working with an "auditor" to confront engrams in order to 'clear', or free, the mind of them. " - Encyclopaedia Britannica "The purpose of therapy and its sole target is the removal of the content of the reactive engram bank. In a release, the majority of emotional stress is deleted from this bank. In a clear, the entire content is removed." - L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health For more on Dianetics see The Skeptics Dictionary. Dynamics "Urges for survival as or through (1) self, (2) sex and family, (3) groups, (4) all mankind, (5) living things (plants and animals), (6) the material universe, (7) spirits and (8) infinity or the Supreme Being." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) E-Meter, or Meter, Electrometer "An electronic device for measuring the mental state or change of state of Homo sapiens. It is not a lie detector. It does not diagnose or cure anything. It is used by auditors to assist the preclear in locating areas of spiritual distress or travail." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) "A crude battery-powered analog ohmmeter used to locate Overts, Body Thetans, and Engrams; the PC [preclear] holds the electrodes (soup cans), while the Auditor watches the dial. Circuitry is based on the Wheatstone Bridge; designed by Volney Mathieson. Current 'top of the line' models sell for about $4,000 US in a plastic case. Actual parts list is about $50-$100." - Martin G. V. Hunt "The meter tells you what the preclear's mind is doing when the preclear is made to think of something. The meter registers before the preclear becomes conscious of the datum. It is therefore a pre-conscious meter. It passes a tiny current through the preclear's body. This current is influenced by the mental masses, pictures, circuits and machinery." - Scientology Technical Dictionary Engram "A Mental Image Picture of an experience containing pain, unconsciousness, and a real or fancied threat to survival; it is a recording in the mind of something which actually happened to the preclear in the past which contained pain and unconsciousness, both of which recorded in the Mental Image Picture called an Engram." - HCOB 11 May, AD 15) "A posited memory trace that remains after a moment of pain and unconsciousness. Hubbard didn't coin this word; it is in Webster's, and is part of the ISV." - Martin G. V. Hunt "A definite and permanent trace left by a stimulus on the protoplasm of a tissue. It is considered as a unit group of stimuli impinged solely on the cellular being." - L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health "Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health proclaims that by 'erasing' the engrams, the individual is freed from compulsions, obsessions, neuroses, and such conditions as heart trouble, poor eyesight, asthma, colour blindness, allergies, stuttering, poor hearing, sinusitis, high blood pressure, dermatitis, migraine, ulcers, arthritis, morning sickness, the common cold, conjunctivitis, alcoholism and tuberculosis. Hubbard soon claimed cures for cancer and leukaemia. "No scientific evidence for these claims has ever been produced." - Tony McClelland, "Scientology, Dianetics and L. Ron Hubbard - The Total Freedom Trap" Scientific experimentation (on an admittedly limited scale) has failed to prove the existance of engrams. Flag "The former name of the ship Hubbard was [self-appointed] Commodore on the Apollo [a 3280-ton motor vessel built in 1936]. When the Sea Org came ashore in Clearwater, Florida, they set up the Flag Land Base, a high-level Org. Now just called Flag." - Martin G. V. Hunt GE, Genetic Entity "A low-grade soul that stores whole track engrams (memories of pain and unconsciousness from the last few trillion years of the patient's life) like the clam incident (people descended from clams, according to Hubbard.)" - Martin G. V. Hunt GPM, Goals Problems Mass "A supposed mass which develops when one is thwarted from reaching a Goal by a Problem or stop." - Martin G. V. Hunt Implant "Hypnotic suggestion smashed into one's mind millions or billions of years ago in the Space-Opera Scientology Cosmology. 'One implant was installed using giant movie screens.'" - Martin G. V. Hunt Incident I Forbidden in Canada by the Religious Technology Center. "OT III also addressed an earlier incident of some four quadrillion years ago. This was an implant which was supposedly the gateway to our universe. The unsuspecting Thetan was subjected to a short, high-volume crack, followed by a flood of luminescence, and then saw a chariot followed by a trumpeting cherub. After a loud set of cracks, the Thetan was overwhelmed by darkness." - Jon Atack, A Piece of Blue Sky Incident II Forbidden in Canada by the Religious Technology Center. In a confidential OTIII document, Hubbard describes the R6 implanting process for Incident II - dropping H bombs on thetans in volcanoes - and describes how it forms giant clusters. Marcab Confederacy "Various planets united into a very vast civilization which has come forward up through the last 200,000 years, [it] is formed out of the fragments of earlier civilizations. In the last 100,000 years they have gone on with a sort of a decadent kicked-in-the-head civilization that contains automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, spaceships. A civilization which looks [like an] almost exact duplicate but is worse off than the current U.S. civilization. " - SH Spec 291, 6308C06 "It's a star system in the astronomy charts. It is also supposed to be the source of most of the suppressive influences attacking the Earth at this time and in the past." - Martin G. V. Hunt MEST, Matter, Energy, Space, and Time "The constituents of the physical universe, or the physical universe itself. Seen as a lesser domain than the spiritual or Theta realm." - Martin G. V. Hunt OT "Operating Thetan, one who is above Clear, who is not just free of unconscious impulses, but is free of other things too operate, and be causative over the physical universe." - Martin G. V. Hunt "A Thetan exterior who can have but doesn't have to have a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space and time." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) "3. An individual who could *operate* totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn't have one. He's now himself, he's not dependent on the universe around him." - Scientology Technical Dictionary OT III, (or OT 3) "Operating Thetan (level) three, also called the wall of fire. Deals with Incident II, Xenu and the H bombs. Hubbard said that anyone who was exposed to this level casually would "freewheel" through it, become a chronic insomniac, then get sick and die. (cough, cough.)" - Martin G. V. Hunt Op-Term "A situation of opposition to a terminal or person, giving a reason to fight. 'Sue started Op-Terming with the SPs on ars; she would have been better off not giving them a game.'" - Martin G. V. Hunt Overt Act "1. An act which does the least good for the least number of dynamics or the most harm to the greatest number of dynamics. "2. An intentionally committed harmful *act* committed in an effort to resolve a problem. "3. That thing which you do which you aren't willing to have happen to you. (This term is usually shortened to *overt* and is used as a noun.) " - Scientology Technical Dictionary PC "Preclear. Someone who is getting Auditing (spiritual counselling) who is not yet 'Clear' (Clear is the state of being free of unconscious impulses that cloud your judgement)." - Martin G. V. Hunt PTS, Potential Trouble Source "Someone who is in contact with an SP, and therefore may cause trouble to the cult. 'Mary is a PTS type III'." - Martin G. V. Hunt PTS III "While on the RPF [Rehabilitation Project Force - Scientology's thought reform prison camp] at Gold, I also occupied the chicken coop dormitory. This was an old chicken coop which still smelled of chicken coop droppings. However, it was not only RPFers who were deprived of adequate food and sleep. At Gold, hundreds of Sea Org members would be deprived of adequate sleep and put on a diet of rice and beans sometimes for six weeks at a time-and their weekly pay of approximately $30.00 would be cut in half. This would be punishment for lower ethics conditions such as poor production. However, when this occurred, David Miscavige [Hubbard's successor as Chairman of the Board Religious Technology Center] would still eat his bacon, eggs, sandwiches and steak dinners. "The response of human beings to these conditions is somewhat predictable. I saw many people undergo psychotic breaks. By psychotic breaks I mean being reduced to incoherent babbling, stripping off clothes, crawling around on the ground, banging heads, limbs and other body parts against furniture and walls, barking, losing all sense of one's identity and intense and persistent suicidal ideation. This is what Scientology calls the PTS type III phenomena." - Andre Tabayoyon R6 Forbidden in Canada by the Religious Technology Center. In a confidential OTIII document, Hubbard defines this as the entirety of pictures in the implant created in 36 days during Incident II. This includes religious figures likes God and the Devil and well as objects and scenes that might be found in the contemporary English countryside. Pieces of R6 became known as Christianity. Scientology "Scientology is the "official name Church of Scientology, religio-scientific movement developed in the United States in the 1950s by the author L. Ron Hubbard (1911-86). Its forerunner was Dianetics, a form of psychotherapy originated by Hubbard and later incorporated into Scientology." - Encyclopaedia Britannica Scientology "is the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, universes, and other life. Scientology means scio, knowing in the fullest sense of the word and logos, study. In itself the word means literally knowing how to know." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) The word 'Scientology' "comes from Nordenholz's book Scientologie 34." - Martin G. V. Hunt "Scientology markets itself to the general public as a psychotherapy program utilizing the book Dianetics (by L. Ron Hubbard) as propaganda for the treatment method. Once someone has become involved with Scientology they learn that the organization delivers an 'applied religious technology' that will confer on individuals supernatural mental powers including the ability to travel through the universe at will, materialize physical objects and other extraordinary abilities. A person who advances in the program is supposed to progressively gain power over Matter, Energy, Space and Time (m.e.s.t.). Full realization of these powers comes with completion of the program. Completion of the program, however, never comes." - Richard J. Ofshe, Ph.D, "A Very Brief Overview of Scientology" Using the Flag price list (Spring '94) the total price of Scientology services to reach the current highest level, OT VIII, would cost (with discounts) an estimated $120,000. "With perhaps seven hundred centers in sixty-five countries and an active worldwide membership of about seventy-five thousand, Scientology has evolved an elaborate international operation designed to facilitate and control the flow of resources across many national boundaries. "Scientology portrays itself in North America and much of Europe and Australia as a religion yet even a cursory examination of the organization reveals that it is much more. Its complex, international structure actively markets, promotes, and advertises material related to business management, education, mental health, physical health, law enforcement, 'moral revitalization' (to use its own term), and entertainment. These additional aspects work together with its religious elements 'in getting the technology of LRH [i.e., Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard] into new territories of the world' (International Management, 1987)." "Its transnational resource mobilization and acquisition efforts involve motivating adherents, neutralizing or eliminating opponents, and replacing the social roles currently filled by opponents with Scientologists or Scientology constituents. It motivates its adherents by instilling in them beliefs that their divinely driven personal and social mission is threatened by dire and powerful enemies. It then organizes internationally coordinated efforts to attack perceived opponents that may damage its global expansion efforts (i.e., the mental health profession and Interpol). Through nobly named 'social reform' groups such as the Citizens Commission on Human Rights and the National Commission on Law Enforcement and Social Justice, Scientology attempts to expose its opponents' alleged criminal activities and otherwise discredit them in the eyes of both elites and the general public." - Stephen A. Kent, "International Social Control by the Church of Scientology" The Church of Scientology has assets totalling an estimated $400 million and an annual revenue of $300 million.  Click here for a complete menu of Scientology pages.Black magic, secret papers, web censorship, and more. Sea Org "Many people who become committed to Scientology are recruited into a sub-unit called the Sea Organization. These individuals sign a billion-year contract of service to Scientology. They are worked extremely hard and are paid a subsistence wage. They live under Spartan conditions in the larger Scientology facilities. They subordinate their families to the Scientology organization. Parents turn control of their children over to the organization. If a person's spouse becomes critical of the organization it is policy that the spouse be declared a "suppressive person." If this happens the individual will have to face a decision to either separate from the spouse or leave Scientology's service." - Richard J. Ofshe, Ph.D, "A Very Brief Overview of Scientology" Somatics "Pains and aches restimulated or turned on during a "therapy" session, or contained within an engram or memory incident. "The PC got a heavy somatic in her jaw while auditing a clam incident." ". - Martin G. V. Hunt Squirrel "A person who subverts Hubbard's 'Tech' by alteration. The name probably came from the idea of squirrels burying, or being associated with, nuts. In the cult jargon, Squirrel refers to someone who is too insane to follow Standard Tech". - Martin G. V. Hunt Standard Tech Scientology Technology [Tech] is standard if it is unaltered and applied strictly according to the policy and procedures set down by Hubbard. "Theoretically, all Scientology is 100% Standard Tech, meaning it is workable. 'Flag has the most 100% Standard Tech on the planet!'" - Martin G. V. Hunt Suppressive Person or SP "An evil person; someone who criticizes Scientology." - Martin G. V. Hunt "1. A person who rewards only down statistics and never rewards an up statistic. He goofs up or vilifies any effort to help anybody and particularly knifes with violence anything calculated to make human beings more powerful or intelligent. A suppressive automatically and immediately will curve any betterment activity into something evil or bad. "2. The person is in a mad, howling situation of some yesteryear and is 'handling it' by committing Overt acts today. "3. An SP is a no-confront Case because, not being in his own Valence he has no viewpoint from which to erase anything. That is all an SP is. "4. Those who are destructively antisocial. "5. A person with certain behavior characteristics and who suppresses other people in his vicinity and those other people when he suppresses them become PTS or potential trouble sources." - Scientology Technical Dictionary Theta "Seemingly immortal life-source...from the Greek theta, the traditional symbol for thought, or life...a potentially omnipotent and limitless being that was, in fact, the source of life. - "The Church of Scientology: 40th Anniversary" Thetan "The person himself-not his body or his name, the physical universe, his mind, or anything else; that which is aware of being aware; the identity which is the individual. The term was coined to eliminate any possible confusion with older, invalid concepts. It comes from the Greek letter Theta (  ), which the Greeks used to represent thoughttor perhaps spirit, to which an n is added to make a noun in the modern style used to create words in engineering. 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The Forbidden Story of Xenu
(1) Hubbard's Inspiration http://www.mystae.com/streams/gnosis/otiii.html |
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It is true that Aleister Crowley influenced L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons (The real genius who died tragically).
It just reveals that his adeptness in magic paved the way for scientology. Magic provides an understanding of how the cosmos works and can be influenced. Last edited by dereking; 14-02-2009 at 01:43 PM. |
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"Operating Thetan, one who is above Clear, who is not just free of unconscious impulses, but is free of other things too operate, and be causative over the physical universe." - Martin G. V. Hunt "A Thetan exterior who can have but doesn't have to have a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space and time." - Advance, Magazine of the Advanced Organization Los Angeles (AOLA) "3. An individual who could *operate* totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn't have one. He's now himself, he's not dependent on the universe around him." - Scientology Technical Dictionary OT III, (or OT 3) "Operating Thetan (level) three, also called the wall of fire. Deals with Incident II, Xenu and the H bombs. Hubbard said that anyone who was exposed to this level casually would "freewheel" through it, become a chronic insomniac, then get sick and die. (cough, cough.)" - Martin G. V. Hunt |
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"In the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures taped in 1952, Hubbard discusses occult magic of the middle ages, and recommends a current book - 'it's fascinating work in itself, and that's work written by Aleister Crowley, the late Aleister Crowley, my very good friend.' The book recommended was The Master Therion, (published in London in 1929) later re-released as Magick in Theory and Practise. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. asserts that during the time when the Philadelphia course was given his father would read Crowley's works 'in preparation for the next day's lecture...' - Jeff Jacobsen, "The Hubbard is Bare" "According to Ron Jr., his father considered himself to be the one 'who came after'; that he was Crowley's successor; that he had taken on the mantle of the 'Great Beast'. He told him that Scientology actually began on December the Ist, 1947. This was the day Aleister Crowley died." - Brent Corydon, Messiah or Madman "There are interesting similarities between Crowley's writings and the teachings of Hubbard. Dianetics' (from OP) Crowley was a British intelligence agent in with Victor Rothschild who was head of British Intelligence, a whistle blower named Rotshchild as a doube agent working for the Communists. The bigger picture is trauma mind control via sexual torture and perversion, SRA, BSDM etc and possession by demons,(alters MPD) is also part of this and Kabbalah. Anyone who's done some research on this will know. I think Kinsey and Crowley may have worked together to create better formulas and enhanced techniques in brainwashing hence Hubbard's brainwashing in Scientology. Intelligence agents set up Politicians and people in power with rent boys etc, sometimes to blackmail them and influence their policies. There are articles (I think) about AC's involvement in providing and blackmailing.  Imagine an elite group of evil child molesters meeting privately in an undisclosed location. Imagine, too, these wicked sexual predators making plans to conduct grotesque, real-life experiments on innocent little boys and girls. In these experiments, the children will be systematically raped, sodomized, and physically violated. Detailed records will be kept of the children's reactions so that pedophiles worldwide can "enjoy" seeing the results.  Satanic Doctor to Conduct Experiment Next, imagine this elite group deciding that these horrendous sexual experiments are to be supervised by a well known professor, or "doctor," of zoology. The chosen doctor happens to be an admirer of the infamous British satanist, Aleister Crowley (the Beast), and is himself a pedophile and homosexual. He will be given millions of dollars to set up a sexual laboratory and institute at a public university somewhere in Middle America. http://www.texemarrs.com/081998/cricon.htm |
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Was Crowley a paedophile?
I was in for a surprise when Alex Sanders offered to show me his Wiccan temple. I was visiting the famous magician and self-styled King of the Witches at his cottage in the Old Town at Bexhill-on-Sea, in Sussex, in 1978, to interview him for a national magazine. He was pleasant and amusing and we'd already had a couple of drinks at his favourite nearby pub, The Bell.
This is where it all happens, he said with a mischievous smile as he opened the door to the temple. Remarkably, I found it was furnished almost completely with Christian items, including statues of Christ and the Virgin Mary. Even some witches have told me its blasphemous to practise witchcraft in what looks like a Christian chapel he said. But for me, Christ represents the Sun God and Mary the Earth Mother. Christianity and witchcraft may seem very different, but underneath they have a lot in common. I didn't deliberately gather all these Christian objects, I might add. It was quite strange. Soon after I moved in here, over a short period various people suddenly started offering them to me. Others were mysteriously left in the garden. It was as if some higher power had decreed that's how my temple should be. At the time, Alex, then aged 52, had a partner who was a young male civil servant. 'I love him utterly, he maintained. 'He was married to a beautiful girl, but she didn't stand a chance against me. He was dressed as a skinhead when I first met him four years ago, with the regulation shaven head, bovver boots and turned-up jeans. Today, he is a presentable young man. Women give me fulfillment, but I find happiness with men.' His well known bi-sexuality, it's suggested, may have resulted from an experience as a boy with the infamous occultist and reputed 'Wickedest Man in the World', Aleister Crowley. Sanders had been initiated as a witch, he claimed, at aged just seven, by his witch grandmother, Mary Bibby, whom he had chanced on standing naked in the kitchen in a circle drawn on the floor. 'She ordered me to strip naked and enter the circle, he recalled. She carried out a ritual and then on her instructions, as I bent down with my head between my thighs she nicked my scrotum with a knife and said You are one of us now. She later gave me her Book of Shadows to copy into my own and taught me all the rites'. At ten, she took him to London to meet Aleister Crowley, whom she knew. 'She left me with Crowley for the night and he carried out some of his sex magic with me, said Alex. 'It wasn't a very nice experience. To me, as a young boy, he was just a horrible, smelly, old man. Before I left he tattooed his mark of the beast on my hand. It's still there. It hardly turned me off sex though. At one time when I was still in London with my second wife, Maxine, I also had two mistresses and nine male lovers. It's a much quieter life here in Bexhill-on-Sea. My current coven is only five-strong and just one of them is a woman.' Outrageous and a born showman as he was, Alex Sanders has to be credited with publicising modern witchcraft and, indeed, founding in the 196Os its flourishing Alexandrian branch of Wicca to rival the existing Gardnerian of Gerald Gardner. Although some of his magic was 'grey, he insisted to me that most of it was 'white, often aimed at healing people. He told me that while at Bexhill he had helped a number of drug addicts to get off heavy drugs and cured a woman of cystitis by simply placing his hands on her head and 'willing her illness away'. He also claimed to have used magic to help women with fertility problems and people just having trouble getting a job. But with a wicked grin he did admit that on occasion he got rid of people's warts by magically transferring them to somebody else he didn't like. His favourite targets for this, he revealed, were passing traffic wardens! And friends maintained that he had only to whistle the funeral march at someone who had upset him to have them in hospital within the week. (*Jack Pleasant adds: I came to be fond of Alex Sanders and to consider him an entertaining friend. It pleased him when on occasion, I called on him bearing a bottle of the appalling, to my taste, cheap, sweet, white Spanish wine that he enjoyed. I missed him when he died in 1988, choosing the significant Wiccan date to pass on to the Summerlands of April 3Oth - Beltane Eve.') http://www.peacockangel.net/sanders.htm |
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Possible origins for Dianetics and Scientology
"DIANETICS" The word 'dianetics' is a variant of 'dianoetic', the earliest recorded usage is given as 1677 by the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary. A group called "Dianism" was started shortly before "Dianetics". The founder of this group was a U.S. Navy lieutenant who had studied the works of Aleister Crowley. Dianism centred upon the eighth ritual of Crowley's OTO - the "magical masturbation". Curiously, this was the ceremony performed by Hubbard with OTO leader Jack Parsons in 1946. It seems eminently possible that "dian" refers to "Diana", the Roman goddess, who in turn was seen by Crowley as the "dark goddess" - the Empress, Hathor, Artemis, Shakti, or the Babylon, or "Scarlet Woman", of the Book of Revelation. Hubbard's ceremonies with Parsons were intended to incarnate this very force. Hubbard called his first daughter by Mary Sue Hubbard, Diana. He also renamed one of the Sea Org vessels the "Diana". (50) MAGIC SYMBOLS - RITUAL MAGIC Many of the symbols of Scientology were taken from ritual magic. Hubbard was a member of the AMORC Rosicrucians in 1940 and performed sexual "magick" ceremonies with Jack Parsons, a follower of Aleister Crowley, in 1946. The Scientology cross is very similar to the Rosicrucian and Crowley crosses. Hubbard also used the "daleth" triangle of the Egyptian destroyer god Set as the Dianetic symbol. The theta symbol used by Scientology is the central symbol of Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis, where it denotes "thelema" or the will. It is the symbol of "Babalon", the antichrist that Hubbard and Parsons tried to incarnate. The "S and double triangle" motif of Scientology probably derives from the black magic use of the snake symbol (the "wise serpent" or Satan) combined with a deconstruction into two triangles of the Star of David (rather like hanging the Christian cross upside down to signify devil worship). This symbol - the magical hexagram - was used by Hubbard and Parsons during their attempts at incarnating the anti-Christ in human form. Again, Hubbard shares the double triangle with Crowley, where the triangles stood for the "Argentinum Astrum" or "Silver Star", a name for Crowley's organization prior to his take-over of the Ordo Templi Orientis. Crowley's notion of "the will": "The original definition of Scientology 8-8008 was the attainment of infinity by the reduction of the apparent infinity and power of the MEST [Matter, Energy, Space, Time] universe to a zero for himself, and the increase of the apparent zero of one's own universe to an infinity for oneself ... It can be seen that [the] infinity [symbol] stood upright makes the number eight" (61). Which is to say, the essential idea of Scientology is to raise the power of the individual's will or intention to "an infinity". This aim is held in common with all magical systems (Cavendish quotes Crowley "the Great Work is the raising of the whole man in perfect balance to the power of Infinity", The Magical Arts, p.5). The exercises used in the attempt to achieve this - especially those in [B] CREATIVE PROCESSING The "creative processing" of Hubbard's 1952 Philadelphia Doctorate Course derives from the work of black magician Aleister Crowley. Crowley is mentioned three times during the course of the lectures, one of his books is recommended and Hubbard calls him "my very good friend" (which was not in fact true - they neither met nor corresponded). Crowley's work also provided Hubbard with the notion of "past lives" (which was Crowley's expression for reincarnation). "Creative processing" is in fact a form of positive hallucination which is currently disguised under the term "guided visualization" and is more traditionally called "astral projection". Reference to the use of such techniques can also be found in the works of Alexandra David-Neele - books which were popular in the 1930s. In the original "Operating Thetan section VII course", Scientologists were given exercises which would supposedly lead to the ability to implant thoughts into another person's mind. Scientologists believe that they will ultimately be capable of psychic feats including telepathy and telepathic control of others (the aim of all forms of black magic). Practices with similar ends are described by David-Neel (79). Hubbard's use of a triangle as a symbol of Dianetics can be explained by the common use of this symbol to denote black magic (also true in the Crowley system practised by Hubbard in 1946): "The word kyilkhors means a circle, nevertheless, amongst the numberless forms of kyilkhors, there exist square and quadrangular forms, while those used in black magic or for the coercion or destruction of malignant entities are triangular." (80). http://home.snafu.de/tilman/j/origins6.html |
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Back to Scientology, Hubbard seems to have employed some aspects of occultism in his church, without really understanding them. For example, in Scientology, it is said that people are oppressed by "body thetans", and they have to be exorcized, similar to magicians banishing demons. There are other parallels as well....it looks like Hubbard simply dispensed with the traditional "magical" symbolism, and used science fiction instead. This is why, even though the outer science fiction stories used by Scientology are complete BS, some of their methods do indeed work, and is why so many Scientologists vigorously defend the organization. On the other hand, regardless if some of there methods work or not, Scientology uses them to victimize people, and bring in the cash. Crowley, for example, wrote all those books so that students could do this stuff themselves without having to fork over their life savings to some self-appointed guru. |
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There's no proof it's a hoax and I'm not gonna argue, it can't be proven true or false.
Regardless of that Scientology it is really about the control of others will, the opposite of what it claims to be (freedom) Scientology claims to be against psychiatry, yet that's a total contradiction because messing with other's minds is exactly what they are about. Has it's own version of quack science based on methods similar to psychoanalysis and brainwashing techniques, breaking down of the person's character, personality and moulding and creating a new character/personality. Last edited by eternal_spirit; 17-02-2009 at 02:38 PM. |
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So there you go he influenced Scientology in a big way and was a main mentor and teacher of the Brainwashing mind controlling dirty tricks cult of Scientology.
There's so much most people don't know about Mr Crowley. |
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"Apparently Parsons or Hubbard or somebody is producing a Moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts." Crowley's opinion of Hubbard had always been low, and Crowley's respect for Parsons eventually vanished because of his association with Hubbard. Simply put, it's not Crowley's fault that somebody took his teachings and twisted them around for their own advantage. Blaming Crowley for Scientology is sort of like blaming Jesus for the Inquisition. Peace. Last edited by thelonious; 04-03-2009 at 03:21 PM. |
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Some of the methods employed by Scientology - blackmail, threats, character defamation, financial control over members. It's like tactics of intelligence agencies which Crowley would have been well versed in such techniques.
Officially RH wasn't around AC, but who knows the real truth could be secret meetings may have taken place, or people they both knew played messengers and go betweens for them. Reading the OP of the thread I'm convinced Hubbard and Scientology was influenced by AC. |
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Just out of curiosity, what was the aim/purpose of this thread?
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