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Old 10-02-2009, 04:21 PM   #1
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Default Arabs/Muslims Jews/Judaism the same race?



Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia? That's where Moses got the laws/commandments from God for the Jews

Egypt was invaded by Islam Today 97% of the people are Muslims/Islam rules Egyptian society.

The Esoteric meaning of Moses going up to mount Sinai maybe he was in a chamber in a giant pyramid and initated into the highest levels of the mystery religion, and maybe became a high priest and then taught/laid down their laws.


Abraham is one of the best known people of the Bible. He's a key figure in the history of both the Jewish and Arab people. He was the great grandfather of Judah, whose descendants became known as the Jews, and he was also the father of Ishmael, from whom many of the Arab people are descended.
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in Genesis, the Biblical account of Creation, the word "Elohim" has been mistranslated as the singular word "God", but it is actually a plural word which means "those who came from the sky", and the singular is "Eloha" (also known as "Allah").

The children of Abraham are part-descendants of the Elohim, and it was especially with them that the Elohim retained contact as a way of progressively educating the rest of humanity. That is why all the main religions are waiting for their messengers to return to Jerusalem.

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Similarities between Jews and Muslims

1. We worship the same G-d
2. We are descendents of Abraham
3. Our Males are circumcised according to Abrahamic law
4. Both cultures are of Semitic origin
5. Jerusalem is our Holy City
6. We stress good works over faith.
7. We share many advances in medicine; philosophy; law; literature and poetry.
8. There are extremists and peacemakers on both sides.
9. We are descendents of Abraham
10. We worship the same G-d


Similarities over differences

Much has been written about the differences between Jews and Muslims: a lot less about the similarities between us.

Jews, Muslims and Christians have a lot more in common than we care to sometimes admit.

We share belief in the same one G-d.
The originator of our religions and cultures is
the same person: Abraham.
Jews, Muslims and Christians - are regarded as Abrahamic religions.
We share one same holy place: The Temple Mount (the Rock) is where Abraham brought his son to sacrifice him. Adam was buried there. Solomon built a great temple there. Jesus prayed there. Mohammad ascended there. (Source: Bruce Feiler Abraham)

There are many common aspects between Islam and Judaism. As Islam developed it gradually became the major religion closest to Judaism. As opposed to Christianity which originated from interaction between ancient Greek and Hebrew cultures, Judaism is similar to Islam in its fundamental religious outlook, structure, jurisprudence and practice. (Source: http://rabbidavidrosen.net/)

There are many traditions within Islam originating from traditions within the Hebrew Bible or from post-biblical Jewish traditions. These practices are known collectively as the Isra'iliyat. (Source: http://post.queensu.ca/~jjl/islam.html

Arabs in Israel

20% of today's Israeli population is Muslim. The inhabitants live together with their Jewish counterparts peacefully. The majority of Muslim citizens of Israel are descendants of the 150,000 Palestinian Arabs who remained within the State of Israel after the end of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Many Arab citizens of Israel have continued to identify themselves as Palestinian and hold ties to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, as well as to residents of occupied East Jerusalem, annexed by Israel in 1980. (Source: Question of Palestine: Jerusalem. United Nations. http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/index.html)

Steps forward - Jews In Iran

Iran contains the most number of Jews among Muslim countries and Uzbekistan and Turkey have the next ranks. Iran's Jewish community is officially recognized as a religious minority group by the government, and they are allocated one seat in the Iranian Parliament. Maurice Motamed has been the Jewish MP since 2000, and was re-elected again in 2004. In 2000, former Jewish MP Manuchehr Eliasi estimated that at that time there were still 30-35,000 Jews in Iran, other sources put the figure as low as 20-25,000. (Source: Bahá'í Association http://www.uga.edu/bahai/News/021600.html)

Muslim Israeli Cabinet Minister

On January 28th, 2007 the Israeli government has voted to appoint its first-ever Muslim cabinet minister. The Labor Party's Galeb Magadla becomes minister without portfolio in the coalition government of Ehud Olmert, the prime minister. Magadla told Israeli Army Radio following the vote that the move would help Israel's Arab citizens identify more strongly with the Jewish state. He said: "The first step has been taken and this has given Israeli Arabs a feeling of belonging." (Source: aljazeera.net)

Holy scripture

Islam and Judaism share the idea of a revealed Scripture. Even though they differ over the precise text and its interpretations, the Hebrew Torah and the Muslim Qur'an share a lot of narrative as well as injunctions. From this, they share many other fundamental religious concepts such as the belief in a day of Divine Judgment as well as believing in the afterlife, Heaven and Hell.

Muslims commonly refer to Jews (and Christians) as fellow "People of the Book": people who follow the same general teachings in relation to the worship of the one God worshipped by Abraham.

As Islam developed it became, by far, the major religion closest to Judaism.

Religious law

Judaism and Islam are unique in having systems of religious law based on oral tradition which can over-ride the written laws and which does not distinguish between holy and secular spheres. In Islam the laws are called Sharia, In Judaism they are known as Halakha. Both Judaism and Islam consider the study the study of religious law to be a form of worship and an end in itself. (Source: Encyclopedia Judaica)

The most obvious common practice is the statement of the absolute unity of God which Muslims observe in their five times daily prayers (Salah), and Jews state at least twice (Shema Yisrael). The two Faiths also share the central practices of fasting and charity, as well as dietary laws and other aspects of ritual purity.

Judaism and Islam have strict dietary laws, with lawful food being called Kosher in Judaism and Halal in Islam. Both religions prohibit the consumption of pork. Halal restrictions can be seen as a subset of the Kashrut dietary laws, so many kosher foods are considered halal; especially in the case of meat, which Islam prescribes must be slaughtered in the name of God.

Both Judaism and Islam have a generally negative stance on homosexuality and on human sexuality outside of marriage. Both prescribe circumcision for males as a symbol of dedication to the religion.
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Judaism#_note-10)

Jewish Origins

Judaism's origins-along with those of the ancestral Abrahamic religion-are obscure. The only source generally agreed by all to be canonical that bears on that question is the Genesis book of the Hebrew Bible, which according to Rabbinic tradition was written by G-d and received by Moses after the Exodus from Egypt, sometime in the 2nd millennium BCE. According to Genesis, the principles of Judaism were revealed gradually to a line of patriarchs from Adam to Jacob (also called Israel); however the Judaic religion was only established when Moses received the Commandments on Mount Sinai, and with the organization of its priesthood and institution of its temple services.

All the Abrahamic religions are related to or even derived from Judaism as practiced in ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah prior to the Babylonian Exile, at the beginning of the 1st millennium BCE.

Beginning in 7th century CE

Islam originated in the 7th century, in the Arabian cities of Mecca and Medina. Although not a dissident branch of either Judaism or Christianity, Muslims believe it to be a continuation and replacement for them.

The historical interaction of Islam and Judaism started in the 7th century CE with the origin and spread of Islam in the Arabian Peninsula. Because Islam and Judaism share a common origin in the Middle East through Abraham, both are considered Abrahamic religions. There are many shared aspects between Judaism and Islam. Because of this, as well as through the influence of Muslim culture and philosophy on practitioners of Judaism within the Islamic world, there has been considerable and continued physical, theological, and political overlap between the two faiths in the subsequent 1,400 years.

Semites

Ancient Hebrew and Arab people are generally classified as Semitic peoples, a concept derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. Those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their forefather Shem. Enemies were often said to be descendants of his cursed brother Ham. Due to the similarities between Hebrew and Arabic as Semitic languages, many Muslim and Jewish terms are similar including the words for peace: salam and shalom. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Judaism#_note-6)

Muhammad

According to Islamic holy texts, Muhammad preached that the pagan Arabs should abandon polytheism and accept Abrahamic monotheism, the belief in the one God. The Qur'an states that Muhammad's teachings were the completion of revelations given to prophets throughout the ages. Islam has taken many traits from Judaism (as well as Christianity), such as common prophets who are revered in both faiths such as Moses and Abraham.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are known as "Abrahamic religions". The firstborn son of Abraham, Ishmael, Muslims consider Father of the Arabs. Abraham's second son Isaac is called Father of the Hebrews. In the Jewish tradition Abraham is called Avraham Avinu or "Abraham, our Father". For Muslims, he is a prophet of Islam and the ancestor of Muhammad through Ishmael.

Islam affirms that Moses (Musa) was given a revelation, the Torah, which Muslims call Tawrat in Arabic, and believed to be the word of God (Allah). However, they also believe that this original revelation was modified over time by certain scribes and preachers. According to Islamic belief, the present Jewish scriptures were no longer the original divine revelations given to Moses. Muslims believe the Qur'an is the final revelation from God and a completion of the previous revelations.

Middle Ages

Jews have often lived in predominantly Islamic nations. During the Middle Ages as the Islamic state expanded out of the Arabian Peninsula, large numbers of Jews came under Muslim rule. There was general improvement in the conditions of Jews as Islamic law commands that Jews should be judged by Jewish laws, and that synagogues are to be protected. In the Iberian Peninsula, under Muslim rule, Jews were able to make great advances in mathematics, astronomy, philosophy, chemistry and philology. (Source: Cowling (2005), p. 265)

Medieval Islamic civilization developed into its most productive period between the years 900 and 1200, and Jewish civilization in the Islamic world followed suit. During this period, some of the greatest works of Jewish philosophy, grammar, law, philology, and lexicography were written, in parallel with great advances in these fields in the Islamic world.

Jewish poetry in Hebrew found a renaissance during this period as well, and its meters, styles, and contents parallel those of its Muslim Arabic counterpart. Nowhere was this more pronounced than in Spain, where Jewish civilization flourished along with the flowering of the Islamic and secular sciences and culture throughout the region, known in Arabic as al-Andalus.

The relatively open society of al-Andalus was reversed and then ended by the coming of North African armies to help defend against the Spanish Christians, who were pushing the Muslims southward from their strongholds in the north. Jews were highly restricted under the Islamist Berber regimes and eventually began moving northward to newly conquered Christian areas where, for the time being, they were treated better. (Source: http://rabbidavidrosen.net/)

The Ottoman Empire had served as a refuge for Jews who had been expelled from Western Europe, especially after the fall of Muslim Spain in 1492. This was also the case for the Maghreb in North Africa, where a Jewish quarter (Mellah), was installed in most large Arabian cities. At the time Jews were driven out of Western Europe fleeing the Christian Inquisition, most notably the Alhambra decree. The Alhambra Decree was issued in 1492 by the Catholic Monarchs of Spain (Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon), following the final triumph over the Moors after the fall of Granada. The decree ordered the expulsion of all Jews from Spain and its territories and possessions by July 31, 1492 (Tisha B'Av).

Philosophy

The 12th century saw the apotheosis of pure philosophy. This supreme exaltation of philosophy was due, in great measure, to Ghazali (1058-1111) among the Arabs, and to Judah ha-Levi (1140) among the Jews. Like Ghazali, Judah ha-Levi took upon himself to free religion from the shackles of speculative philosophy, and to this end wrote the Kuzari, in which he sought to discredit all schools of philosophy alike.

The Jewish philosopher Maimonides endeavored to harmonize the philosophy of Aristotle with Judaism; and to this end he composed his immortal work, Dalalat al-airin (Guide for the Perplexed)-known better under its Hebrew title Moreh Nevuchim-which served for many centuries as the subject of discussion and comment by Jewish thinkers.

The Arab philosopher Ibn Roshd (Averroes), the contemporary and tutor of Maimonides, closes the philosophical era of the Arabs. The boldness of this great commentator of Aristotle aroused the full fury of the orthodox.

Driven from the Arabian schools, Arabic philosophy found a refuge with the Jews, to whom belongs the honor of having transmitted it to the Christian world. A series of eminent men-such as the Tibbons, Narboni, and Gersonides-joined in translating the Arabic philosophical works into Hebrew and commenting upon them. The works of Ibn Roshd especially became the subject of their study, due in great measure to Maimonides, who, in a letter addressed to his pupil Joseph ibn Aknin, spoke in the highest terms of Ibn Roshd's commentary.

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Why all the fighting why can't they get along?
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Because the religions were designed to disconnect humanity form the cosmic thought/mind and therefore serve the purpose to only create the illusion of racial supremacy and misogyny.These so called Jews are Ashkenazi's who are sodomites and have a barbaric past,now this does not mean all of them are bad guys but the ones who are in full knowledge of their fraudulent claims to be Semites are as satanic as they come.

So the harsh reality is the Jewish/Israeli people are merely Eastern Europeans who converted to the religion and have claimed it as their own when the real Jews were being enslaved and forbidden to practice their beliefs or speak Hebrew.This is why the Bible has been rewritten so many times to hide the truth right under people's noses.

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Why all the fighting why can't they get along?
Around the world muslims and jews do live in peace - never mentioned on the news surprise surprise.

I think the main course is the corrupt governments - they want something they dont have and then try and use the religion as an excuse when the fighting starts. Most the time it wont be muslims vs. Jews - it will be a 'muslim' country vs. a 'jewish' one lead by two corrupt leaders.
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The Saudis

Abdullah Ali al Hanafi


The Saudis

are an important Illuminati family, being secret Jews, like their Doenmeh
counterparts in Turkey. According to Mohammad Sakher, who was apparently
ordered killed for publishing his findings, Ibn Saud, though pretending to defend
the reforms of Abdul Wahhab, was of Jewish origin. In the fifteenth century,
Sakher maintains, a Jewish merchant from Basra, named Mordechai, immigratedto Arabia, settling in Dariyah, where he claimed to belong to the Arabian tribe of the Aniza, and there assumed the name of Markan bin Dariyah.9
The Aniza tribe, to which the Saudis belong, as well as the ruling
Sabah family of Kuwait, originally issued from Khaybar in Arabia, and
there are well documented traditions about descendants of Jews from the
region, who were supposedly forcibly converted to Islam. More specifically,
according to modern occult legend, the Aniza are regarded as being the source
of the European Witch Cult, through the person of Abu el-Atahiyya. These
legends were popularized by Gerald Gardner, the founder of the modern cult
of Wicca. Gardner was also a close associate of Aleister Crowley, as well as a
Co-Freemason, the irregular branch of French masonry, co-founded by Annie
Besant, which admits women to the 33rd degree.
Gardner was also the friend and teacher of notorious charlatan
Idries Shah, whose book on Sufism is disguised Luciferianism. Idries Shah
described the “Maskhara” Dervishes who were also known as the “Revellers”
and the “Wise Ones”, whose leader was Abu el-Atahiya. The name Aniza, he
maintains, means goat and el-Atahiya was commemorated by the “Revellers”
with the symbol of a torch burning between the horns of a goat, in obvious
allusion to the Baphomet of the Templars. After Atahiya’s death, a group of
his followers migrated to Moorish Spain.10

In the early eighteenth century, the Aniza had entered the Syrian Desert
where they established themselves as a powerful and influential tribe. German
traveller Carlsten Niebuhr referred to them in 1761 as the strongest tribe in
the Syrian Desert. Today the Aniza remain one of the largest Arabian tribes,
having branches in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
In Arabia, the Saudi family was primarily engaged in banditry,
which pitted them in conflict against the Ottoman state. This, however, notes
Schwartz, “also created a propensity for them to ally with the British, who
were then taking control of the richer and more valuable parts of the Arabian
Peninsula: the coastal emirates from Kuwait to Aden.”11

9 See No Evil, quoted from Ahmed, The War on Freedom, p. 221.
10 “The So-Called Evidence is a Farce”. quoted from Ahmed, The War on
Freedom, p. 220.
11 quoted from Ahmed, The War on Freedom, p. 222.


http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/b...2/history.html
^^ here is the complete Sakher Research about the al Saud Family

RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:

1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be?
2. Is Islam their actual religion?
3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?


http://forums.islamicawakening.com/s...ad.php?t=14749

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so what, some of the sahabah had jewish origins before they became muslim
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so what, some of the sahabah had jewish origins before they became muslim
compare the personalities and agenda's of the sahabah ra with that of the al saud family


the sahabah called to tawheed and loyalty to the muslims

the al saud calls to kufr-shirk monarchy alliance with the kuffar(israel/america/europe)



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This was posted in 2005 by a friend on a site I wont mention.

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Saudis (who are disliked throughout ALL Arab world because of their unhuman manners) originated from TURKEY - Sabattians??

- Think of our revelations in former articles about these connections to 'undermine' the German, British and Zionists throughout HIS-STORY. Remember Georg v. Sebottendorf?


Simply establishing a Jewish (fake again-as there is still NO connection to the tribe of Abraham) Kingdom in Arabia. According to this research the Jewish Ancestors of the SAUDI FAMILY are supposed to be the MORDAKHAIS...

THE SAUDI DYNASTY: FROM WHERE IS IT?
AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS FAMILY?



RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:


1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of
ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be?

2. Is Islam their actual religion?

3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?


In the year 851 A.H. a group of men from AL MASALEEKH CLAN, which was a branch of ANZA Tribe, formed a caravan for buying cereals (wheat and corn) and other food stuff from IRAQ, and transporting it back to NAJD. The head of that group was a man called SAHMI BIN HATHLOOL. The caravan reached BASRA, where the members of the group went to a cereal merchant who was a Jew, Called MORDAKHAI BIN IBRAHIM BIN MOSHE'.
During their bargaining with that merchant, the Jew asked them : "Where are you from?" They answered: "From ANZA TRIBE; a clan of AL MASALEEKH." Upon hearing that name, the Jew started to hug so affectionately each one of them saying that he, himself, was also from the clan of AL MASALEEKH, but he had come to reside in BASRA (IRAQ) in consequence to a family feud between his father and some members of ANZA Tribe....

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...In the History Book of the SAUDI FAMILY pages (98-101), their private family historian declares that the SAUDI DYNASTY considers all the people of NAJD blasphemous; so their blood must be shed, their properties confiscated, and their females be taken as ; no muslem is authentic in his /her belief unless he/she belongs (affiliates) to the sect of MOHAMMAD BIN ABDUL WAHAB, (whose origins are also Jewish from TURKEY.) His doctrines give authority to the SAUDI FAMILY to destroy the villages with all their inhabitants-males including children, and to sexually assault their women; stab the bellies of the pregnant, and cut off the hands of their children, then burn them! They are further authorized by such a BRUTAL DOCTRINE to plunder all the properties of whom they call renegades (not following their Wahabi Sect)....

Full text and pic/below at "SAUDHAUSE":

http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/b...2/history.html


Did you wonder WHY Saudi Arabia never went to war with Israel?

Did you wonder WHY the 'harsh' rules of the Saudis fit soooo well with the Orthodox Jewish Halachas (unhuman rules for 'nice behaviour'=brainwashing)?

Did you wonder WHY Saudis are in charge of the 'most holliest sites' of Islamic Administration=MECCA?


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Islam and Judiasm

Influences Contrasts and Parallels


by David Steinberg

1. Israelite-Jewish Relations with the Arabs

2. Judaism and Islam – Influences and parallels

3. Theological Idiom – Toward the Future


How Islam and Traditional Judaism are structured very similarly –

Structural and Methodological Parallels Between

Jewish (halakha) and Islamic (sharia-fiqh) Law

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http://www.houseofdavid.ca/isl_jud.htm

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3. Theological Idiom – Toward the Future

Judaism and Islam being very similar religious systems (see Goitein), face very similar intellectual and practical problems in confronting western culture. Many of these problems are quite different from those faced by Christianity. There may be much to gain by opening a dialogue between Jewish and Muslim religious thinkers. Of course, any such dialogue requires that each group study the other’s religion and literature, as they did at the height of the Arab-Jewish symbiosis.

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[16] Re. The impact of Islam’s background as a conquering religion the following is quoted from Islam Promotes Terrorism and Violence by Richard D. Connerney. Appeared originally as, "Islam: Religion of the Sword?” In www.salon.com, October 11, 2001. Reprinted in Islam: Opposing Viewpoints, William Dudley (ed.), Thomson Gale 2004

During a recent interview on NPR, Reston (James Reston, author of "Warriors of God: Richard the Lionheart and Saladin in the Third Crusade." said) "Bin Laden no more represents Islam than [Jim] Jones and David Koresh represent Christianity….

Yet, when asked about the origin of jihad as expressed in the Quran, Reston and the others get a bit tongue-tied. There are several reasons for this. The Quran is a notoriously difficult text to understand in some ways. For one thing, it lacks almost any sense of context: Verses are addressed to mysterious Yous and Theys from an equally mysterious We. Moreover, the subject of the verses follow no discernible pattern, moving from questions of jurisprudence to theological and mythological concerns and back again, sometimes without any apparent pattern…. Untangling the original meaning, or creating a distinct context in which to interpret the verses, is a nightmarish problem.

For all too many, being a serious Muslim means doing Allah's work by any means necessary. Of course, most Muslims will never be terrorists, The problem is that for all its schisms, sects and multiplicity of voices, Islam's violent elements are rooted in its central texts, It is unlikely that the voices of moderation will ultimately silence the militants, because the militants will always be able to make the case that they are standing for the true expression of the faith. Liberal Muslims have not established a viable alternative interpretation of the relevant verses in the Qur'an. "When liberal Muslims declare that Sept. 11 was an atrocity contrary to the Koran," observes Farrukh Dhondy, "the majority of Muslims around the world don't believe them. They accept the interpretation of fundamentalists, whom liberal Muslims have allowed to remain unchallenged.", . .

Violent Islam has the enemy (us) and the scriptural justification (in the Qur'an) to keep pushing until they win-that is, until the West is Islamicized. And moderate Islam is essentially powerless to stop it.

Robert Spencer, Islam Unveiled, 2002.

Thus the question of what the Quran has to say about jihad, or any other subject, is exceedingly difficult. As could be expected from a document that arises in an environment of unceasing internecine warfare, as the Arabian Peninsula was in the seventh century, the Quran contains no argument for pacifism. To the contrary, it makes conflict a requirement of the new faith. "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it" … "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you, be firm with them." Perhaps the best way to sum up the hawkish attitude of the Quran is to note that the index to the Penguin edition of the Quran contains over 40 entries for "war," and no entries for "peace."

http://www.houseofdavid.ca/isl_jud.htm

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[23] Neo-Platonism was also fundamental to the development of Christian theology and Islamic Sufism and had a close relationship to Aristotelianism. The following is from the Encyclopedia Britannica “Relationship to Neoplatonism. Aristotle's works were adopted by the systematic builders of Neoplatonism in the 3rd century AD. Plotinus, the school's chief representative, followed Aristotle wherever he found a possibility of agreement or development, as he did in Aristotle's theory of the intellect. And Plotinus' pupil Porphyry, the first great harmonizer of Plato and Aristotle, provided the field of logic with a short introduction (Isagoge). … Neoplatonism dominated the school of Athens, where, apart from logic, Aristotle's writings were destined to be studied mainly as a basis for philosophical disputations.”

[24] “From the beginning of its development, the Kabbalah embraced an esoterism closely akin to the spirit of Gnosticism, one which was not restricted to instruction in the mystical path but also included ideas on cosmology, angelology and magic. Only later, and as a result of the contact with medieval Jewish philosophy, the Kabbalah became a Jewish “mystical theology,” more or less systematically elaborated. This process brought about a separation of the mystical, speculative elements from the occult and especially the magical elements…. The confrontation between the Gnostic tradition in the Bahir and Neoplatonic ideas concerning God, His emanation, and man’s place in the world, was extremely fruitful, leading to the deep penetration of these ideas into earlier mystical theories. The Kabbalah in its historical significance can be defined as the product of the interpenetration of Jewish Gnosticism and neoplatonism.” From Scholem, G, Kabbalah article in Encyclopedia Judaica vol. 10 cols. 489-653, Keter 1972

[25] From Encyclopedia Judaica vol. 6 cols. 922-925, Keter 1972 – “There is no specific ethical literature as such in the biblical and talmudic period insofar as a systematic formulation of Jewish ethics is concerned. Even the Wisdom literature of the Bible, though entirely ethical in content, does not aim at giving a systematic exposition of this science of morals and human duties, but confines itself to apothegms and unconnected moral sayings. The same is true of tractate Avot, the only wholly ethical tractate of the Mishnah…. The beginnings of Jewish ethical literature in the Middle Ages are rooted in the development of Jewish philosophy of that period”

[26] A very interesting case is that of Maimonides son

“This final chapter deals with the interesting topic of Rabbi Abraham, the son of Maimonides, who succeeded his father as the head of the Jewish community in Egypt (1204–37) and, more generally, with the influence of Muslim Sufi pietism and mysticism on Judaism. This Muslim movement and its marvellous religious literature had a tremendous impact on the Jews, who were attracted by it even more than by Arab philosophy.25 That some Jews actually joined Sufi groups is attested by Muslim sources as well as by Jewish letters from the genizah. S. D. Goitein published a heart-rending letter from a poor Jewish woman to the Nagid David (probably the David II Maimonides who, in the middle of the 14th century, became one of the leaders of Egyptian Jewry), in which she implores him to help her bring her husband Basir back to her from the company of "al-Fuqara" (the Muslim mystics; literally: the poor). Basir had forsaken his wife and children and taken up residence in a Sufi convent on a mountain near Cairo. His wife expressed her fear that he would abandon Judaism and that their three children would follow his example.26

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so we can see the interconnectdness of
these RELIGIONS is indisputable


it remains then, to keep foremost in mind that
all of them were and ARE misogynistic.


They are ALL war based, thus tied irrevocably to
their master, P AT R I A R C H Y .



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Also heard that Saudis produce their own versions of the Koran - with bits changed to suit their own needs. Anyone know if this is correct?
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Also heard that Saudis produce their own versions of the Koran - with bits changed to suit their own needs. Anyone know if this is correct?
yes its correct bro. they add their own interpretations, eg their own jihadi propaganda. the saudis are the main backers of islamic extremism, after the saudis its the cia, lol.

the wahabbism doctrine is a corrupt version of islam, and the main doctrine used by the islamic terror network. islamic scholars are too scared to speak out against the saudis, as the saudi's will most probably silence them.
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yes its correct bro. they add their own interpretations, eg their own jihadi propaganda. the saudis are the main backers of islamic extremism, after the saudis its the cia, lol.

the wahabbism doctrine is a corrupt version of islam, and the main doctrine used by the islamic terror network. islamic scholars are too scared to speak out against the saudis, as the saudi's will most probably silence them.
might have to try and get a copy and find what the exact differences are - although i doubt the Saudi one will be translated into English.
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Similarities between Jews and Muslims

1. We worship the same G-d
2. We are descendents of Abraham
3. Our Males are circumcised according to Abrahamic law
4. Both cultures are of Semitic origin
5. Jerusalem is our Holy City
6. We stress good works over faith.
7. We share many advances in medicine; philosophy; law; literature and poetry.
8. There are extremists and peacemakers on both sides.
9. We are descendents of Abraham
10. We worship the same G-d


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not only judaism and islam, also the original christianity is similar... u no why?

''(This was Our) way with the prophets We sent before thee (O Muhammad): thou wilt find no change in Our way'' (17:77)

did u no christians used to pray 7 times a day?
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yes its correct bro. they add their own interpretations, eg their own jihadi propaganda. the saudis are the main backers of islamic extremism, after the saudis its the cia, lol.

the wahabbism doctrine is a corrupt version of islam, and the main doctrine used by the islamic terror network. islamic scholars are too scared to speak out against the saudis, as the saudi's will most probably silence them.
i dont accept wahhabism, its makes up less than a percent of muslims if that...
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Also heard that Saudis produce their own versions of the Koran - with bits changed to suit their own needs. Anyone know if this is correct?
i cant say iv heard that plus it cant really be changed as there are millions of people worldwide who have memorised the quran, so they wouldnt get away with adding/subtracting bits

and if they have done that then they have clearly strayed from the right path and can not be classed as muslims in any way of form, i would consider them as the enemies of islam if anything

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Mecca in Saudi Arabia is the holiest place in Islam the centre point and a Muslim's duty is to travel on a pilgrimage to Mecca.
The Saudi's live by the Koran/Hadiths/Shariah right? So they are true Muslims and following the laws of Allah/Mohammed and it's priesthood.

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When Umar ibn al-Khattab (580-644), the second Caliph, came to kiss the Stone, he said in front of all assembled: "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither harm anyone nor benefit anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] kissing you, I would not have kissed you."[11] Many Muslims follow Umar: they pay their respects to the Black Stone in a spirit of trust in Muhammad, not with any belief in the Black Stone itself. This, however does not indicate their disrespect to the stone, but their belief that harm and benefit are in the hands of God, and nothing else.

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The Kaaba is the holiest place in Islam.[1] The qibla, the direction Muslims face during prayer, is the direction from their location on Earth towards the Kaaba. It is around the Kaaba that ritual circumambulation is performed by Muslims during the Hajj (pilgrimage) season as well as during the Umrah (lesser pilgrimage).[1]

circumambulation is what Freemasons do in the Lodge/Temple. Read somewhere that Jews circumambulate the walls of Jerusalem.

According to the Qur'an, the Kaaba was built by Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Ismail (Ishmael [1]). Islamic traditions assert that the Kaaba "reflects" a house in heaven called al-Baytu l-Maˤmur[13] (Arabic: البيت المعمور) and that it was first built by the first man, Adam. Ibrahim and Ismail rebuilt the Kaaba on the old foundations. [14]

When Muhammad conquered Mecca, he destroyed the 360 idols around Kaaba which the Meccan pagans possessed. [15][16] There was one god for each day of the year. [15] While destroying each idol, Muhammad recited [Qur'an 17:81] which says "Truth has arrived and falsehood has perished for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish.'" [15][16]

Muhammad then entered the Ka`abah and ordered all the pictures to be destroyed. [16]


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Mt. Sinai - The Real Mt. Sinai Rediscovered in Arabialink
  • "Students of Scripture have long speculated that the supposed Mt. Sinai on the Sinai pennisula, was really a fraud. The Bible states that Mt. Sinai is in ..."
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Problems with Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia
  • "What they mean by "Arabia" is modern Saudi Arabia and there is no statement in the Bible or any other ancient source that places Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia ..."
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