Black Mass

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by drael

Bunch of baloney. Stuff made up by christians and overzelous sunday school teachers.

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Seems you don't believe any of it. The Order of the nine angles are traditional satanists, this goes way back in time. Not some modern pseudo satanic sect.

You realize many Christians don't believe that the Church persecuted and put witches, satanists etc to death. There isn't any real evidence to suggest they did. Only written accounts in the History books. But this is one of the main lies the Satanists use to draw people into their cults. To make out they're the good guys and the Christians are the bad ones. Go figure.

There is more evidence, including modern day documented cases of satanic style ritual murder and sacrafice. Mutilated bodies turn up and it makes the news from time to time. There's even some cases where the satanists have confessed to ritual killings.

[drael]

Okay look, i wont step on your beleifs, your totally entitled to your opinion. You believe there is satanism involved with the NWO. Thats fine.

My understanding is that the serpent is the puppet master of the puppet masters, and even "they" dont know the Annunuki exist. My understanding is that black magick is usually based around the most ancient of rituals, which are basically beyond manipulation (Partly because of coding), from the ancient world before the draco found this galaxy. YMMV. "They" are not the only influence in our galaxy.

We can agree to differ here. But ultimately -

No one knows anything

[eternal_spirit]

Egyptian-Masonic-Satanic Connection
Freemasonry and the Mystery Religions
Aliester Crowley, 33° Mason, Human Sacrifice
Egyptian Mystery Religion and Masonic Lodge
Satanic Ritual Abuse
Black Masonry Devoted to the Knowledge of Evil
Freemasonry and Satanic Ritual Abuse

[eternal_spirit]

THE MASONIC LODGE AND THE EGYPTIAN MYSTERY RELIGION

As the Mystery Religions spread all over the world from Babylon, they found expression in all countries of the ancient world with only a change in the names of the gods and slight variations in the rituals. While the mystery religions were practiced in all of the countries of the ancient world, it was in Egypt where centuries of devotion developed them to their highest degree.
According to Mason Manly P. Hall's book Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians:

[drael]

So do you beleive the masons were in egypt?

I personally wouldnt call any of this stuff satanic, i would call it black magick. But lets call that semantics for our purposes.

My beleif is that the ancient mysteries are generally a good thing, a means to freedom from the oppression of the NWO. Sure they use the rituals etc. But thats how they keep power over us, by hiding the mystery from us, the nature of reality. The rituals of the ancient world/egypt are a key to our freedom, coded in such a form, and past form the original in secret so it lies beyond corruption from the NWO. Thats why half of the secret societies existed, to keep the truth alive so the NWO/dark forces werent the only ones to have it.

Something _like_ black mass occurs sure. I cant speak for the freemasons, they are a weird bunch they may practice satanism for all i know. I didnt read all of the links but i got an idea. They certainly arent the organisation at the centre of the NWO though, they are recruitment at best (the masons).

The bohemian grove is alot like a satanic ritual. They do magick, do drugs, have sex with animals and children and discuss world politics and economics. Its just like camp only f**kd up.

To me its satanic if they specifically worship a big red guy with horns. Maybe thats tied into black mass etc some of the time but IMO its not a majority of what NWO is about.

Those links seem to be implying that all mystery teachings involved sex magick and even "human sacrifice". This is simply misrepresentative.

There was also something about all mystery teaching being descended from the sins of babylon?? I think were reading a different bible on that one man! to me bablyon is about the arrogance of those who would judge or stand before god..?

Thats sounds like some serious witch burning talk?!! As a follower of the ancient mysteries, i was honestly quite shocked at the prejudice.

[seer74]

Originally Posted by drael

So do you beleive the masons were in egypt?

I personally wouldnt call any of this stuff satanic, i would call it black magick. But lets call that semantics for our purposes.

My beleif is that the ancient mysteries are generally a good thing, a means to freedom from the oppression of the NWO. Sure they use the rituals etc. But thats how they keep power over us, by hiding the mystery from us, the nature of reality. The rituals of the ancient world/egypt are a key to our freedom, coded in such a form, and past form the original in secret so it lies beyond corruption from the NWO. Thats why half of the secret societies existed, to keep the truth alive so the NWO/dark forces werent the only ones to have it.

Something _like_ black mass occurs sure. I cant speak for the freemasons, they are a weird bunch they may practice satanism for all i know. I didnt read all of the links but i got an idea. They certainly arent the organisation at the centre of the NWO though, they are recruitment at best (the masons).

The bohemian grove is alot like a satanic ritual. They do magick, do drugs, have sex with animals and children and discuss world politics and economics. Its just like camp only f**kd up.

To me its satanic if they specifically worship a big red guy with horns. Maybe thats tied into black mass etc some of the time but IMO its not a majority of what NWO is about.

Those links seem to be implying that all mystery teachings involved sex magick and even "human sacrifice". This is simply misrepresentative.

There was also something about all mystery teaching being descended from the sins of babylon?? I think were reading a different bible on that one man! to me bablyon is about the arrogance of those who would judge or stand before god..?

Thats sounds like some serious witch burning talk?!! As a follower of the ancient mysteries, i was honestly quite shocked at the prejudice.

i agree, the mysteries, once shared with all are certainly keys to freedom from the NWO. however, the whole reason why they are mysteries is because the Mystery Cults were and are all about hordeing and keeping secret the knowledge...
and no one's suggesting (well at least I'm not) we should burn anyone at the stake, just all be aware. That's far more usefull than witch-hunts, those just wind up aimed at innocent healers and people not of the Elite Bloodlines who know the mysteries outside of the order in order to protect the Elite from exposure. Like the Medieval witchhunts, were all about rounding up anyone who would have had a clue what the friggin' lizards were up to. The people really abuseing the knowledge are never caught and instead everybody gets all driven into a frenzy to catch anybody ELSE who knows the (once not so mysterious) mysteries.

[seer74]

to be concise;

not saying knowing the mysteries makes you one of them. as has been said before in this forum - knowledge is neutral. its what you do with it...

[eternal_spirit]

1986 Denver, Colorado- Dana Jones is arrested for the murder of a fellow cult member on Feb. 2nd, the Neopagan holiday of Imbolc. Jones tells police she and her lesbian lover were members of the Argentinum Astrium...a "sex magic" cult founded by Aleister Crowley in 1907, after he got kicked out of the Golden Dawn. Police found an altar, ritual daggers, occult books (most written by Crowley) inside the basement of the house. An autopsy revealed that the victim had injested blood while still alive that was not his own, meaning he had participated in a blood drinking occult ritual. Apparently the ritual took a turn he wasn't expecting. Acquitted on grounds of insanity and confined to a state hospital, Jones escapes in June 1988, with aid from a sympathetic nurse on the staff, and fled to New Mexico. She shortly commited suicide afterwards.

http://usminc.org/crime3.html

[eternal_spirit]

1998 Hyvinkää, Finland Three members of a Satanic were charged with the brutal murder and dismemberment of a 23 year old man that occurred on 10-21-98 in a small town near Helsinki. Finish Authorities had recently become concerned over acts of vandalism, such as desecration of graveyards, suggesting young Finns were showing an increased interest in Satanism. Police said, however, that the Hyvinkaa case was the first murder linked to a Satanic cult. The sex and ages of the members were two men 23, 20, and a girl, of 17. Body parts of the victim were found on rubbish tips in the Hyvinkaa area, which lead to arrests.The trial revealed that the murder involved torture, mutliation, canibalism and necrophilia. After he was killed the threesome cut of the victims head and limbs and removed some his internal organs, including the victims heart. The three openly described themselves as Satanists. One of the three had a previous conviction for the attempted burning of a church. The court also found the 23-year-old man guilty of torturing and killing his dog as a sacrifice on Hallowe'en. Amazingly, the leader (the 23 y.o.) only recieved a 21 year sentence and the other two receieved even lighter sentences.

http://usminc.org/crime2.html

[damagedbrainn]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

1998 Hyvinkää, Finland Three members of a Satanic were charged with the brutal murder and dismemberment of a 23 year old man that occurred on 10-21-98 in a small town near Helsinki. Finish Authorities had recently become concerned over acts of vandalism, such as desecration of graveyards, suggesting young Finns were showing an increased interest in Satanism. Police said, however, that the Hyvinkaa case was the first murder linked to a Satanic cult. The sex and ages of the members were two men 23, 20, and a girl, of 17. Body parts of the victim were found on rubbish tips in the Hyvinkaa area, which lead to arrests.The trial revealed that the murder involved torture, mutliation, canibalism and necrophilia. After he was killed the threesome cut of the victims head and limbs and removed some his internal organs, including the victims heart. The three openly described themselves as Satanists. One of the three had a previous conviction for the attempted burning of a church. The court also found the 23-year-old man guilty of torturing and killing his dog as a sacrifice on Hallowe'en. Amazingly, the leader (the 23 y.o.) only recieved a 21 year sentence and the other two receieved even lighter sentences.

http://usminc.org/crime2.html

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/karenc...nesarchive.htm
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=90655

There were four participants: Two young adults, and two teenagers (17 year old girl, 16 year old boy).

The oldest of the group and the "leader" apparently, Jarno Elg, was sentenced to life in prison, not 21 years. The other adult was sentenced to little over 2 years, having only been convicted of desecrating a grave or something like that. The 17 year old girl was found to be mentally ill, and sentenced to a little over 8 years in prison (though only served about 5); and a few years after her release, she killed someone else and was convicted of manslaughter. The 16 year old boy was declared innocent due to his claim that he was coerced into participating in the act.

I think it most likely that it was the emphasis placed on "Satanism" that led to the lighter sentencing of the other perpetrators....the poor little youngsters were under the influence of "dark forces" and therefore could not be held fully responsible for their own actions...basically, the "devil" made them do it.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

"The Society of the Dark Lily", is run by a women who suffers from multiple sclerosis. The farm in Scotland where she lives is the headquarters of the organization, and the scene of debauched, sadistic beating of naked young girls.

Temple of Set":
It is an offspring of LaVey's Church of Satan, founded in 1975 by US Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino, with 1,000 members. The name "Set" comes from the Egyptian god Set-Ham. It claims to be more moral than the Church of Satan!... but Aquino maintains an avid interest in Nazi culture, and Nazi insignia are occasionally worn by members of the Temple.

What insignia in particular? I know the swastika is a common religious symbol and nazi symbol. I am going to read up on that stuff to see if you are right.

[eternal_spirit]

Note the irony La Vey is Jewish. AskeNAZI Jews where are the real Nazis. Hitler was believed to be part Jew by some. Throughout history some Elite psychopaths have been known to commit genocide on their own people.

But the main aim of the War was to kill off many millions more Germanic none Jews particularily Christians same as what happened in Russia/Ukraine etc with the Gulag death camps, nearly all the leaders where Jewish. One word Talmud.

Another Jewish blood libel, the ritualistic murder of Christian children at passover/Purim by some Talmudic Rabbis, which may relate to the story of Herod in the Bible who ordered every male/baby child to be killed hoping they'd kill either Jesus or Moses can't remember who lol. Rabbis/moels? spelling, are said to drink the blood from their own people's circumcised babies, so enough said, bunch of vampires.

Another version is that the blood libel originated from the Orientals, there's many countries where similar blood rituals where/are performed.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

Note the irony La Vey is Jewish. AskeNAZI Jews where are the real Nazis. Hitler was believed to be part Jew by some. Throughout history some Elite psychopaths have been known to commit genocide on their own people.

But the main aim of the War was to kill off many millions more Germanic none Jews particularily Christians same as what happened in Russia/Ukraine etc with the Gulag death camps, nearly all the leaders where Jewish. One word Talmud.

Another Jewish blood libel, the ritualistic murder of Christian children at passover/Purim by some Talmudic Rabbis, which may relate to the story of Herod in the Bible who ordered every male/baby child to be killed hoping they'd kill either Jesus or Moses can't remember who lol. Rabbis/moels? spelling, are said to drink the blood from their own people's circumcised babies, so enough said, bunch of vampires.

Another version is that the blood libel originated from the Orientals, there's many countries where similar blood rituals where/are performed.

This thread is about the black mass not what happened in WWII.

Lets get down to it, lets us first define what the black mass is, who it realtes to and who has actually done one.

Some background:

[edit] The Black Mass itself
Surprising as it may seem - in spite of the huge amount of French literature discussing the Black Mass (Messe Noire) at the end of the 1800s and early 1900s - no set of written instructions for performing one, from any purported group of Satanists, turned up in writing until the 1960s, and appeared not in France, but in the United States.

A growing interest in witchcraft and satanism in the 1960s inspired the creation of two recordings, both made in 1968, and both called "Satanic Mass":

The first was a record album of readings in Satanic philosophy by the Church of Satan, called "The Satanic Mass", which contained material later to appear in their Satanic Bible (published in 1969). In spite of the title and a few phrases in Latin, this album did not deal with the Black Mass.
The second was a 13 minute recording of a full-length "Satanic Mass" made by a US band called Coven. Coven's Black Mass, which was part of their stage show in 1968, was included on their 1969 record album "Witchcraft Destroys Minds and Reaps Souls", together with the full published text. The band stated that they spent a long time researching the material, and to their knowledge it was the first Black Mass published in any language.. The result was eclectic, drawing chants and material from numerous sources, including medieval French miracle plays, such as Le Miracle de Théophile, in which one of the players sells their soul to the Devil. These chants were gleaned from books on witchcraft, popular in the 60s, notably Grillot de Givry's Witchcraft, Magic and Alchemy (originally published in France in 1929). Additionally, the recording, while using a couple of the Latin phrases the Church of Satan was already making popular, also added a substantial amount of church Latin, in the form of Gregorian chants sung by the band, to create the genuine effect of the Catholic Latin Mass being inverted and sung to Satan.
Soon after Coven created their Black Mass, the Church of Satan began creating their own Black Masses, two of which are available to the public. The first, created for the Church of Satan by Wayne West in 1970 and entitled "Missa Solemnis", was published in Michael Aquino's book The Church of Satan , and the second, entitled "Messe Noir", in Anton LaVey's 1972 book The Satanic Rituals.

All three of these early Black Masses (the one by Coven and the two by the Church of Satan) contain the Latin phrase "In nomine Domini Dei nostri Satanae Luciferi Excelsi", as well as the phrases "Rege Satanas" and "Ave Satanas" (which, incidentally, are also the only three Latin phrases which appeared in the Church of Satan's 1968 recording, "The Satanic Mass"). Additionally, all three modify other Latin parts of the Roman Catholic Missal to make them into Satanic versions. The Church of Satan's two Black Masses also use the French text of the Black Mass in Huysmans' "Là-Bas" to a great extent. (West only uses the English translation, LaVey publishes also the original French). Thus, the Black Mass found in "The Satanic Rituals" is a combination of English, French, and Latin.

Finally, a writer using the pseudonym "Aubrey Melech" published, in 1986, a Black Mass entirely in Latin, entitled "Missa Niger". (This Black Mass is available on the Internet). Aubrey Melech's Black Mass contains almost exactly the same original Latin phrases as the Black Mass published by LaVey in "The Satanic Rituals". The difference is that the amount of Latin has now more than doubled, so that the entire Black Mass is in Latin.

[damagedbrainn]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

Note the irony La Vey is Jewish. AskeNAZI Jews where are the real Nazis. Hitler was believed to be part Jew by some. Throughout history some Elite psychopaths have been known to commit genocide on their own people.

But the main aim of the War was to kill off many millions more Germanic none Jews particularily Christians same as what happened in Russia/Ukraine etc with the Gulag death camps, nearly all the leaders where Jewish. One word Talmud.

Another Jewish blood libel, the ritualistic murder of Christian children at passover/Purim by some Talmudic Rabbis, which may relate to the story of Herod in the Bible who ordered every male/baby child to be killed hoping they'd kill either Jesus or Moses can't remember who lol. Rabbis/moels? spelling, are said to drink the blood from their own people's circumcised babies, so enough said, bunch of vampires.

Another version is that the blood libel originated from the Orientals, there's many countries where similar blood rituals where/are performed.

You're your own worst enemy, man...I mean really.

[marpat]

Another angle to consider is that the black mass is just plain christian propoganda used to condemn those who will not fall into line, or enemies they want rid of. It is essentially a christian ritual that has been debased, and it's so retro.

[eternal_spirit]

Oh dear back to the let's blame the christians again. BTW DB which bit of info do you wish to dispute, or would it just be a massive de ja vu? and a waste of time.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

Oh dear back to the let's blame the christians again. BTW DB which bit of info do you wish to dispute, or would it just be a massive de ja vu? and a waste of time.

But it is a christian ritual, using christian symbology slightly altered.

I find it odd that you are happy to blame Jews, freemasons and occultists for all sorts of evil things but when I suggest that the black mass is a piece of christian propoganda you get defensive. I take it that you are a christian? are we not allowed to question the morality, perversity and evil dealings of the church?

[empyblessing]

Who gave more power to Christianity, the missionaries or Nero?

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11268

[marpat]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11268

You are spamming the thread with stuff that is not even on topic.

What is wrong with you? all of your links and posts are always about abuse and murder and violence. You seem to have a perverse interest in everything that is base and wrong and you never discuss anything positive.

It would be one thing if it was about the thread, but again we find you Jew bashing in a thread that is not about Jews.