Go Back   David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > General
Register FAQ Chat Social Groups Calendar Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 24-07-2009, 12:59 PM   #141
runciter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11,001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdwave View Post
You don't think anyone minds what's going on out there?? yeah right.

The only reason people took action in WW2 was because their own back yard was in danger...

This is a human fault, not pin the blame on another creed...

people care when there arse is on the line... and the West are officially, fully supporting this war.
israeli scholar israel shahak wrote:

Murder and Genocide

ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew. A Jew who indirectly causes the death of another Jew is, however, only guilty of what talmudic law calls a sin against the 'laws of Heaven', to be punished by God rather than by man.

When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court. To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.

Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, 'one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice .., there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly: He points out, however, that an act leading indirectly to a Gentile's death is forbidden if it may cause the spread of hostility towards Jews.

A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished.

All this has a direct and practical relevance to the realities of the State of Israel. Although the state's criminal laws make no distinction between Jew and Gentile, such distinction is certainly made by Orthodox rabbis, who in guiding their flock follow the Halakhah. Of special importance is the advice they give to religious soldiers.

Since even the minimal interdiction against murdering a Gentile outright applies only to 'Gentiles with whom we [the Jews] are not at war', various rabbinical commentators in the past drew the logical conclusion that in wartime all Gentiles belonging to a hostile population may, or even should be killed. Since 1973 this doctrine is being publicly propagated for the guidance of religious Israeli soldiers. The first such official exhortation was included in a booklet published by the Central Region Command of the Israeli Army, whose area includes the West Bank. In this booklet the Command's Chief Chaplain writes:

When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed... Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized ... In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm

Last edited by runciter; 24-07-2009 at 01:01 PM.
runciter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:00 PM   #142
thirdwave
Premier Subscribers
 
thirdwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 20,093
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by synergy777 View Post
its sickening, and shows how evil humanity has become.

thats why whats about to happen, has to happen, so that all these things are finished for once and for all.
Yes, although I would say more... shows how humanity has died...
__________________
“Every Star has its own Nature, which is ‘Right’ for it. We are not to be missionaries, with ideal standards of dress and morals, and such hard-ideas. We are to do what we will, and leave others to do what they will. We are infinitely tolerant, save of intolerance.” AC

http://whosnwo.blogspot.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/paulobertelli
thirdwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:01 PM   #143
thirdwave
Premier Subscribers
 
thirdwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 20,093
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_spirit View Post
This level of hate is only possible in Islam
Its hate all right, though that hate has been expressed through most religions through time... and today... not just Islam.
__________________
“Every Star has its own Nature, which is ‘Right’ for it. We are not to be missionaries, with ideal standards of dress and morals, and such hard-ideas. We are to do what we will, and leave others to do what they will. We are infinitely tolerant, save of intolerance.” AC

http://whosnwo.blogspot.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/paulobertelli
thirdwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:02 PM   #144
runciter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11,001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdwave View Post
Yes, although I would say more... shows how humanity has died...
people can lose their humanity because of racist indoctrination.
runciter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:03 PM   #145
thirdwave
Premier Subscribers
 
thirdwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 20,093
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by runciter View Post
israeli scholar israel shahak wrote:

Murder and Genocide

ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew. A Jew who indirectly causes the death of another Jew is, however, only guilty of what talmudic law calls a sin against the 'laws of Heaven', to be punished by God rather than by man.

When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court. To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.

Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, 'one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice .., there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly: He points out, however, that an act leading indirectly to a Gentile's death is forbidden if it may cause the spread of hostility towards Jews.

A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished.

All this has a direct and practical relevance to the realities of the State of Israel. Although the state's criminal laws make no distinction between Jew and Gentile, such distinction is certainly made by Orthodox rabbis, who in guiding their flock follow the Halakhah. Of special importance is the advice they give to religious soldiers.

Since even the minimal interdiction against murdering a Gentile outright applies only to 'Gentiles with whom we [the Jews] are not at war', various rabbinical commentators in the past drew the logical conclusion that in wartime all Gentiles belonging to a hostile population may, or even should be killed. Since 1973 this doctrine is being publicly propagated for the guidance of religious Israeli soldiers. The first such official exhortation was included in a booklet published by the Central Region Command of the Israeli Army, whose area includes the West Bank. In this booklet the Command's Chief Chaplain writes:

When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed... Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized ... In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.

http://radioislam.org/historia/shahak/english.htm
This is a human fault, not pin the blame on another creed...
__________________
“Every Star has its own Nature, which is ‘Right’ for it. We are not to be missionaries, with ideal standards of dress and morals, and such hard-ideas. We are to do what we will, and leave others to do what they will. We are infinitely tolerant, save of intolerance.” AC

http://whosnwo.blogspot.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/paulobertelli
thirdwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:07 PM   #146
runciter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11,001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdwave View Post
This is a human fault, not pin the blame on another creed...
this is jewish religious tradition.
runciter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:29 PM   #147
thirdwave
Premier Subscribers
 
thirdwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 20,093
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by runciter View Post
this is jewish religious tradition.
Yes it can be viewed this way in some texts...

As it is relevant in all religions.. and their holy wars and predictions, with reasons to hold on to their god.

Quote:
Rev
17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled

and it is a fault in humanity...
__________________
“Every Star has its own Nature, which is ‘Right’ for it. We are not to be missionaries, with ideal standards of dress and morals, and such hard-ideas. We are to do what we will, and leave others to do what they will. We are infinitely tolerant, save of intolerance.” AC

http://whosnwo.blogspot.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/paulobertelli
thirdwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:44 PM   #148
runciter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11,001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdwave View Post
Yes it can be viewed this way in some texts...

As it is relevant in all religions.. and their holy wars and predictions, with reasons to hold on to their god.




and it is a fault in humanity...
they're only absurd ideas, sadly they influence an incredible number of people.

i don't think there's a fault in humanity itself, we're only using badly our freedom.
runciter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 01:58 PM   #149
listener
Member
 
listener's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dorset
Posts: 82
Default

listener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 04:08 PM   #150
mark1963
Premier Subscribers
 
mark1963's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: England
Posts: 4,599
Default Shocked

I am truly sorry for the hell that these poor people are being put through by the zionists.
mark1963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 05:58 PM   #151
thirdwave
Premier Subscribers
 
thirdwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London
Posts: 20,093
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by runciter View Post
they're only absurd ideas, sadly they influence an incredible number of people.

i don't think there's a fault in humanity itself, we're only using badly our freedom.
Religion is a fault in humanity, because the very need for it = a detachment from "god" in the first place... this is simply the truth... not going to argue you about it..
__________________
“Every Star has its own Nature, which is ‘Right’ for it. We are not to be missionaries, with ideal standards of dress and morals, and such hard-ideas. We are to do what we will, and leave others to do what they will. We are infinitely tolerant, save of intolerance.” AC

http://whosnwo.blogspot.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/paulobertelli

Last edited by thirdwave; 24-07-2009 at 05:59 PM.
thirdwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2009, 06:08 PM   #152
runciter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11,001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdwave View Post
Religion is a fault in humanity, because the very need for it = a detachment from "god" in the first place... this is simply the truth... not going to argue you about it..
no need to argue, i don't disagree with you.
runciter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-07-2009, 09:23 AM   #153
orbit
Inactive
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 268
Default

Quite shocking...
orbit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-07-2009, 01:40 PM   #154
runciter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11,001
Default

an amazing thread that deserves to be linked here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74437
runciter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-07-2009, 02:19 PM   #155
truth finder
Senior Member
 
truth finder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Behind you.
Posts: 1,335
Default

I realy truely hate the world we are evil and stuck up, i am embarised to be alive......

If you where an Alien would you come down and help this planet....I wouldn't
truth finder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-07-2009, 05:27 PM   #156
clint_giles
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: the thread killer
Posts: 5,068
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by truth finder View Post
I realy truely hate the world we are evil and stuck up, i am embarised to be alive......

If you where an Alien would you come down and help this planet....I wouldn't


indeed. especially when the reptilians are in control of it.
clint_giles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-07-2009, 02:16 PM   #157
hunkahunka
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,350
Default

where everyone gets it wrong is in saying that the Zionists of Israel are repeating in Palestine what was done to them in Germany.

Bullshit. The Nazis were Jewish.

The Zionists of Israel are repeating in Palestine what they did to the
'false jews', catholics, and their political enemies in Germany.

The Zionists funded Hitler in order to force the repatriation of the middle
East by European Jews. The Zionist banking elite also arranged for the
Jewish refugees of Europe to be denied asylum everywhere in the world
so that they would be forced to go to Israel and help form the new Zionist state. Without Hitler , the Zionists never would have been able to populate
Israel, because hundreds of thousands of Jews never would have voluntarily left Europe to fight a war against Islam for the expansion of Israel.
hunkahunka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-07-2009, 02:02 AM   #158
nofuture
Senior Member
 
nofuture's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Manchester
Posts: 6,349
Default

__________________
If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor
nofuture is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-07-2009, 06:32 AM   #159
newswatcher26
Inactive
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,176
Default

great thread
newswatcher26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:51 AM.