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Old 04-07-2013, 04:02 PM   #2161
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yes nostradamus was given the title physicion in ordanary by catherine queen regent in 1564 married to henri the second he worked for these royals who had heard about his predictions and his interest in ancient occults and paganism , these royals were nostradamus were part of a group called marrano a spanish expresion for secret jew also part of the group is called alumbrado which in spanish translates to illuminati , nostradamus son was also a part of the group , so it must of started before the 1600 and not just britain
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Old 04-07-2013, 04:08 PM   #2162
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Savile being conneted to a charity and then masons donating to that charity does not make him a mason. Any more than it makes all the air ambulance or navy or elderly in retirement homes masons.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:07 PM   #2163
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First, notice the pro-mason tripping over his own words.
How was I tripping over my words? I said what I said and I stand by it.

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Then the legend could be 'shifted' in date to match the CORRECT pharaoh events.


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Thing you cannot deny is the pharaohs are recorded and factual, whereas your david is a daydream, of the jews and Romans.
There's evidence of the existence of Davidic House and it dates to centuries after Thutmose.

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But these pro-masons here deny any connection. I have stated time and time again, the pharaohs are ruling us today.
Even if your theories were true, it still doesn't mean that pharaohs are ruling today.

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Today, kings are grand master of the freemasonry brotherhood.
Well in another thread I've posted who the Grand Masters of the world are and this statement is obviously erroneously.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:47 PM   #2164
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It is not fact. Which royal "created" Freemasonry? And in what form?
I do not identify a particular pharaoh as 'inventor'?

If you pay attention, i say freemasonry is a royal invention.
Anyone with a brain cell would understand this means
it is part of royal culture. It came with royal culture.

The pharaohs were grand masters. They had similar rituals and ceremonies - BLATANT EVIDENCE, where the source
is concerned.

Else, can these freemasons show us anywhere else
in the world, where this pagan brotherhood existed
alongside kings - BEFORE PHARAOH?

So thats before 3400BC...theres a challenge for
you pro-masons.........
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:54 PM   #2165
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There's evidence of the existence of Davidic House and it dates to centuries after Thutmose.
This means nothing. I have posted evidence concerning
pharaoh and his conquests ( Canaan ).

Can you post this evidence to show us that the davidic house existed? And i mean recorded evidence, not Jewish /
Roman (AD).

This davidic house was around before christ.( ? )
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:48 PM   #2166
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Anyone with a brain cell would understand this means it is part of royal culture. It came with royal culture.
Except it's just our legendary founding, but Masonic culture is not about royalty.

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The pharaohs were grand masters.
In your opinion, but we as an institution we do not believe this.

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They had similar rituals and ceremonies
I would love to see a side-by-side comparison if you would please show the ancient Egyptian rituals.

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This means nothing. I have posted evidence concerning pharaoh and his conquests ( Canaan ).
Yes, facts mean nothing when they contradict your story.

David and Thutmose existed centuries apart.

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Can you post this evidence to show us that the davidic house existed? And i mean recorded evidence, not Jewish / Roman (AD).
Yet, you rely on Egyptian evidence that ancient Egyptian kings existed so why can't I rely on Jewish or Roman evidence? There is the Tel Dan Inscription.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:39 PM   #2167
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The pro-mason will find the Egyptian ritual posts, from
me, on one of these threads. As they well know.

Yet, they deny them.
They would blatanty deny that Egypt is the source
of their rituals, ceremonie and symbology.

Then, pro-mason(s), AGAIN, show us where else in the
world, these same rituals took place, alongside
royalty?

Theres a challenge i know these pro's cannot
rise to.

Actually, can they show us anywhere, with or without
royalty, between 6000BC and 100BC, that this
brotherhood existed, other than Egypt?
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Old 07-07-2013, 04:47 PM   #2168
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The pro-mason will find the Egyptian ritual posts, from
me, on one of these threads. As they well know.

Yet, they deny them.
They would blatanty deny that Egypt is the source
of their rituals, ceremonie and symbology.

Then, pro-mason(s), AGAIN, show us where else in the
world, these same rituals took place, alongside
royalty?

Theres a challenge i know these pro's cannot
rise to.

Actually, can they show us anywhere, with or without
royalty, between 6000BC and 100BC, that this
brotherhood existed, other than Egypt?
I'm not a pro-mason, but many aspects of these rituals are universal. Greece, Persia, India, and pretty much everywhere throughout the ancient world had similar mystery religions. Egypt is only one of many sources.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:20 PM   #2169
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I'm not a pro-mason, but many aspects of these rituals are universal. Greece, Persia, India, and pretty much everywhere throughout the ancient world had similar mystery religions. Egypt is only one of many sources.
This does not rise to the challenge.

In Egypt we have the evidence i ask for.
Show us where else the kings were pagan grand masters
of a secret society?

So thats prior to the first dynasty around 3400BC

All later royal families were relatives of pharaoh,
somewhere down the line.
They adopted everything royal, from pharaoh.

Am i the only one here to study history and
express it with logical conclusions?
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:36 AM   #2170
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The pro-mason will find the Egyptian ritual posts, from me, on one of these threads. As they well know.
None of your Egyptian posts have displayed any connection to Masonic ritual.

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They would blatanty deny that Egypt is the source of their rituals, ceremonie and symbology.
Because your opinion is not grounds for fact.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:45 PM   #2171
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This does not rise to the challenge.

In Egypt we have the evidence i ask for.
Show us where else the kings were pagan grand masters
of a secret society?
The Egyptian religion was not a secret society, nor was the pharaoh a "grand master".

Freemasonry has much more affinity with the real secret societies of the Mithraic Mysteries of Persia and Eleusinian Mysteries of Greece.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:26 PM   #2172
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The Egyptian religion was not a secret society, nor was the pharaoh a "grand master".

Freemasonry has much more affinity with the real secret societies of the Mithraic Mysteries of Persia and Eleusinian Mysteries of Greece.
There were "hermetic" teachings for the Egyptian priests.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:28 PM   #2173
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Then how would anyone else know what those were?
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Then how would anyone else know what those were?
By direct knowledge.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:41 PM   #2175
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I can see that as far as oral transmission is concerned but once the Egyptian priesthood died out that ended.
What passes for Egyptian hermetic 'knowledge' these days is endlessly re- imagined Theosophist fictions from the late 19-th Century passed off as genuine.
Truth is nobody has the first idea what the original Egyptian hermetic traditions and beliefs actually were.
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There were "hermetic" teachings for the Egyptian priests.
The Hermetic tradition has its origin in Greece (it is even named after the Greek god Hermes). It eventually made its way to Egypt, and was taken up by Graeco-Egyptian Neoplatonists and theurgists.
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The Hermetic tradition has its origin in Greece (it is even named after the Greek god Hermes). It eventually made its way to Egypt, and was taken up by Graeco-Egyptian Neoplatonists and theurgists.
Thought to derive from Egyptian god Thoth.
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The majority of Greeks, and later Romans, did not accept Hermes Trismegistos in the place of Hermes.[citation needed] The two gods remained distinct from one another. Cicero noted several individuals referred to as "Hermes": "the fifth, who is worshipped by the people of Pheneus [in Arcadia], is said to have killed Argus, and for this reason to have fled to Egypt, and to have given the Egyptians their laws and alphabet: he it is whom the Egyptians call Theyt."[7] In the same place, Cicero mentions a "fourth Mercury (Hermes) was the son of the Nile, whose name may not be spoken by the Egyptians." The most likely interpretation of this passage is as two variants on the same syncretism of Greek Hermes and Egyptian Thoth (or sometimes other gods); the one viewed from the Greek-Arcadian perspective (the fifth, who went from Greece to Egypt), the other viewed from the Egyptian perspective (the fourth, where Hermes turns out "actually" to have been a "son of the Nile," i.e. a native god). Both these very good early references in Cicero (most ancient Trismegistus material is from early centuries CE) corroborate the view that Thrice-Great Hermes originated in Hellenistic Egypt through syncretism with Egyptian gods (the Hermetica refer most often to Thoth and Amun).[8]
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The Egyptian religion was not a secret society, nor was the pharaoh a "grand master".

Freemasonry has much more affinity with the real secret societies of the Mithraic Mysteries of Persia and Eleusinian Mysteries of Greece.
Let the above reflect how you mis-inform the public.

If you read some of my other posts, you will see
my research explaining how Thoth
and Isis, were the founders of the Egyptian mysteries.


''...During the ceremony, it was Our Beloved
Pharaoh Akhenaten, Grand Master of the
Brotherhood, former High Priest of the Temple....''

http://www.juneaustin.co.uk/ancient-...son-of-the-sun

You were saying?
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Thought to derive from Egyptian god Thoth.

These mis-informers are trying their best to
put us all off track, an connect us to Greece,
instead of Egypt.

A masonic method.

So the new pro-mason , mis-informer is 'thelonious'.

This list is growing.
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None of your Egyptian posts have displayed any connection to Masonic ritual.


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If people follow what you and i talk about, they
will see you only mis-inform.
You cannot be trusted.


'On the point of its connection with the Rosicrucians, Freemasonry is more or less silent. It traces its antiquity to Solomon's Temple, and refers to characters whose history, if not actual existence, is cloaked with mystery.

Freemasonry has acknowledged its debt to the ancient White Brotherhood by adding a Rosicrucian Degree to the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.

THE Rosicrucian Order had its traditional conception and birth in Egypt in the activities of the Great White Lodge.

In a translation from the original hieroglyphic inscriptions in The Book of the Dead, by Sir E. A. Wallis Budge, we find these admonishments, "to allow no one to see it," nor was it to be recited to even a close friend, for further we find: "never let the ignorant person, or anyone whatsoever look upon it"; also "the things which are done secretly in the hall of the tomb are the mysteries ..."

In some cases, classes of a very select nature were held in the private chambers of the reigning Pharaoh.

The members of such assemblies became more and more select, the teachings more profound, and the discussions so dialectic that there arose a most autocratic and secret society of the truly great minds of the day. Thus was laid the foundation of the Great White Brotherhood.

The first Pharaoh who conducted the class in his private chambers was Ahmose I, who reigned from 1580 B.C. to 1557 B.C.
Because he was capable of conducting the great school as well as ruling the people with more civilized and advanced principles (due to his training in the school, no doubt), he is referred to as the "deliverer of Egypt" by some historians.'

http://mailstar.net/rosicrucian.html.
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