BREAKING NOW Dozens Killed In Gaza Attacks

[ddaniel]

Originally Posted by runciter

do you live in israel?

No, but I was in Tel Aviv in 2006 when an "Islamic Jihadist" walked into a bus station and blew himself up, killing 9 and injuring dozens more.

Hamas praised him as a hero. A martyr. THAT is targeting civilians. THAT is evil.

Isreal is backed into a corner, surrounded by countries 50 times their size that would massacre its population at the first opportunity. Like I asked before, what solution would you propose?

The whole situation is a crapshoot

EDIT: No, I am not an Israeli nor a Jew

[runciter]

Originally Posted by ddaniel

No, but I was in Tel Aviv in 2006 when an "Islamic Jihadist" walked into a bus station and blew himself up, killing 9 and injuring dozens more.

Hamas praised him as a hero. A martyr. THAT is targeting civilians. THAT is evil.

same with saint baruch goldstein, with one difference: israel is the occupying force.

Originally Posted by ddaniel

Isreal is backed into a corner, surrounded by countries 50 times their size that would massacre its population at the first opportunity. Like I asked before, what solution would you propose?

The whole situation is a crapshoot

israel never stopped acting criminally in 60+ years, maybe they should try to do this.

[pinkfreud]

Originally Posted by ddaniel

No, but I was in Tel Aviv in 2006 when an "Islamic Jihadist" walked into a bus station and blew himself up, killing 9 and injuring dozens more.

Hamas praised him as a hero. A martyr. THAT is targeting civilians. THAT is evil.

Isreal is backed into a corner, surrounded by countries 50 times their size that would massacre its population at the first opportunity. Like I asked before, what solution would you propose?

The whole situation is a crapshoot

i'm sorry, but i don't buy into the 'poor old israel' propaganda.

islamic jihad, or whatever you choose to call it, is funded by the very same people you've read about in icke's books. if that so called jihadist you talk about blew up people- he must have done it for two reasons. one, because he was brainwashed into committing suicide in the name of allah, and two, because he was extremely embittered about palestine being usurped by israel.

the problem is, suicide bombing has been a very successful ploy by the ptb to control people's minds and make them believe there is a cause, or god worth dying for. it is for a higher god that israel has blatantly 'stolen' the land beneath palestinians' feet. it simply isn't right.

if tomorrow, a religious group, or believers in some holy book come to your locality and tell you 'this is our holy land, we belong here and you don't', grab your land, your home, your belongings, and kill in the name of religion- would you not be as hurt, angry and bitter?

israel is not some helpless country with the poor jews residing there and seeking shelter from the 'muslim fanatics'. please. they're backed, funded and encouraged by the ptb. they are also involved in the whole global conspiracy themselves (not jews- zionists).


edit: what solution would i propose? well that's easy for you to ask, considering you seem to be siding with zionism here.

how about giving the palestinians back their land, for starters?

[stelios]

Originally Posted by ddaniel

No, but I was in Tel Aviv in 2006 when an "Islamic Jihadist" walked into a bus station and blew himself up, killing 9 and injuring dozens more.

Hamas praised him as a hero. A martyr. THAT is targeting civilians. THAT is evil.

Isreal is backed into a corner, surrounded by countries 50 times their size that would massacre its population at the first opportunity. Like I asked before, what solution would you propose?

The whole situation is a crapshoot

Firstly, ity has been proven beyond any doubt that many of the so called suicide attacks are actually orchestrated by Mossad themselves.
Included in this are the Sharm El Sheikh bombings and the Argentina bombings.
However, you only have to look back at the Stern Gang who made a pact with Nazi Germany to fight Britain and the attack upon the king David hotel in which hundreds were killed including many British citizens.
Israel has been built on terror and has continued to use terror as it's only form of communication.

You are a zionist and you are living on top of somebody elses haouse and you are trampling on their heads every single day.
If you are genuine and care for peace then why dont you leave Israel and go back home?

You compare the situation to a crapshoot?
Interesting you really dont regard Palestinians as even human beings do you.
I would compare the situation to a massacre. Innocent women and children throwing stones and fireworks with you boys having all your 200 nukes and stealth bombers and chemical weapons and biological agents and clusters bombs all bought and paid for by the USA taxpayer.

INSULTING COMMENT REMOVED

[timezone]

How the Zionists Use Hamas As A Tool of Provocation

From its beginnings over a century ago, the object of the Zionist movement has been to create an ethnically and religiously exclusive "Jewish state" through conquering the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. "A land without people for a people without land," was the slogan. But since Palestine was actually populated by Arabs, they had to be made to disappear, through selective or wholesale expulsion and massacres, such as is taking place now on the West Bank. To realize their program, the Zionists have often resorted to provocation, even against "their own people" - for example, the Mossad's 1951 bombing of the Baghdad synagogue, in order to provoke the flight of the Iraqi Jews (see "Zionist Terror and the In Gathering' of Iraqi Jews," The Internationalist No. 9, January-February 2001). And from Theodor Herzl, Ze'ev Jabotinsky and David Ben Gurion to Yitzhak Rabin and Ariel Sharon, the Zionists have always been prepared to "do business with" the worst anti-Semites, including Hitler's Nazis (see "Zionism, Imperialism and Anti-Semitism" in the same issue).

Following this logic, the state of Israel helped create and foster the growth the Islamic fundamentalists. It is by now well-known how U.S. intelligence agencies created Osama Bin Laden, using the Saudi-born Yemeni millionaire to recruit "holy warriors" (mujahedin) to fight against the Soviet army in Afghanistan, and how the CIA's dogs of war later slipped the leash, turning their religious frenzy against the "infidels" of the West. Similarly, and in close connection with U.S. operations in Afghanistan, Israeli leaders nurtured the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a counter to the secular nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), then allied with the Soviet Union. Even after Hamas turned to suicide bombing against Israelis, the Zionist authorities favored it over the PLO. Today, as the Israeli army is supposedly engaged in a war to root out the "terrorist infrastructure," it has not touched Gaza, the bastion of Hamas and origin of most of the suicide bombers. Moreover, Israel's military machine has deliberately provoked terrorist attacks by the Islamic fundamentalists which then become the excuses for its war on the Palestinians.

The Zionist leaders want anti-Semitic terror. They need attacks on Jews in order to tighten their hold on the Hebrew people in the Israeli garrison state and to solidify their support from the imperialists, without which Israel could not survive.

The 1967 war - in which the Israeli army seized East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria - gave rise to a nationalist Palestinian opposition grouped together in the PLO. The largest single component was Fatah, headed by Yasir Arafat, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood who became a protégé of Egyptian nationalist leader Gamal Abdel Nasser. The PLO also included smaller nationalist groups allied with Syria, as well as the Palestine Communist Party (PCP) and two groups that cloaked their nationalism in Stalinist rhetoric, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) of George Habash and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) of Nayef Hawatmeh. At the time of their founding, the PFLP and DFLP modeled themselves on the Vietnamese National Liberation Front and saw themselves as fedayin (guerrilla fighters) in a national liberation struggle.

In the Palestinian lands which the Zionists occupied in 1967, the fedayin completely dominated the resistance and remade the PLO, which had been founded by Nasser in 1964 as the Palestinian nationalist umbrella organization. Nevertheless, the nationalist guerrillas were vulnerable in tiny Gaza, where nearly a million people are crammed into 140 square miles, most of it desert, most of it desert. For several years, the fedayin/PLO attacked Zionist military targets, achieving modest successes until the Israeli army laid siege to Gaza in 1971. Israel bulldozed hundreds of homes in the refugee camps and deported tens of thousands, including 15,000 suspected PLO fighters who were packed off to camps in the Sinai desert. As the Zionists brutally repressed the PLO, they sought to bolster the then-unimportant Islamic fundamentalist organizations centered around the Gaza-based Muslim Brotherhood.

Just as the CIA sought since the 1940s to foster Islamic-led counterrevolution in Soviet Central Asia (considered by the Cold Warriors to be the "soft underbelly" of the USSR), the Zionists believe that their aims can be served by manipulating Islamic fundamentalist groups. One of the most important leaders of Hamas was a top operative in U.S. imperialism's anti-Soviet operation in Afghanistan. ABC News correspondent John Cooley, writing in the International Herald Tribune (13 March 1996), noted: "A key Hamas organizer was Abdallah Azzam. He was a tough, brilliant and charismatic Palestinian from Jordan. He supervised training for the CIA's Afghan guerrillas in Peshawar, Pakistan, where a car bomb killed him in 1989. In the earlier 1980s he toured the United States, recruiting Arab-Americans for the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan."

The Israelis sought to use the Islamists in order to wield the club of religion against the alleged "godless Communists" in the PLO. In the CIA-funded "holy war" against modernizing nationalists and Soviet troops in Afghanistan, revolutionaries stood four-square with the Red Army, while pro-imperialist "leftists" cheered Washington's mujahedin. Today, the American ISO criticizes the U.S. government for "hailing Islamists in Afghanistan as 'freedom fighters' against the old USSR" (Socialist Worker, 12 April). In an act of historical falsification worthy of Stalin's own photo editors, it seeks to airbrush out the fact that the anti-Soviet ISO also hailed the Islamists at that time. In 1978 the Zionist government sought out Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and helped him found an Islamic social works organization, Mujama. According to a study by Beverley Milton-Edwards, Islamic Politics in Palestine (Tauris, 1996):

"In 1978 Israel's civil administration in Gaza encouraged Sheikh Yassin and his colleagues to submit an application to register the Mujama as a charitable society. Permission was granted; as such official [recognition] was frequently denied to other Gazans during this period, the decision was viewed with suspicion by the local political community. Although the Mujama described itself as a charity, the Israelis were well aware of its political aspirations.... When the Mujama started to exert its influence over already existing institutions as a means to undermine the nationalists, the Israelis stood by."

With Israeli collusion, Mujama set up the Islamic University of Gaza, to inculcate students with anti-PLO propaganda. The Mujamists chanted, "How can uncovered women and men with Beatle haircuts liberate our holy places?" Students who were insufficiently convinced of the anti-PLO line were brutally attacked, and sometimes acid was thrown in their faces. Mujama professed to be an education and charitable organization, but its real purpose was to attack PLO-allied institutions such as the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRC), a welfare and health care organization. In 1979, Mujama lost a municipal election in Gaza to the PRC, and appealed to the Israeli government to overturn the results! When the Israelis balked, knowing that overt Zionist support would have exposed Mujama as their tool, the Islamists took action.

"A demonstration then started out from the grounds of the [Islamic] university. Most of the people involved in the march and subsequent attacks were Mujama supporters. The demonstrators, ignoring the Israeli army soldiers stationed along their way, set off in the direction of the PRC building. According to Shalom Cohen, 'Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great), down with Communism, long live Islam.'

"During the demonstration the Mujama militants attacked cafes, video shops and liquor stores. When they arrived at the offices of the PRC they set the building on fire. The offices were destroyed, including approximately 80 per cent of the books in the library... Throughout the attack the Israeli authorities failed to intervene."

The PRC issued a statement denouncing the complicity of the Israeli forces:

"The tacit approval of the authorities, if not their actual connivance in what happened, was displayed by their attitude of non-interference. While they usually display great alertness to combating even peaceful demonstrations of young students within schools, here they stood indifferently watching a violently destructive demonstration marching to its objective."

At the time of the intifada of 1988, the second main Muslim fundamentalist organization in Palestine, Islamic Jihad, had been weakened by Zionist repression. Seeking to capitalize on the upsurge of militant protests by Palestinian youth, Hamas emerged from Mujama's ranks as its fighting organization. While PLO supporters preferred mass action, Hamas specialized in shootings, often of Israeli army personnel. Yet at the height of the intifada. Sheikh Yassin and Dr. Mahmoud Zahar of Hamas would meet with the likes of then-defense minister Yitzhak Rabin, while meetings with the PLO were prohibited by law. As Milton-Edwards notes:

"The relationship between Hamas and the Israeli authorities was, however, at its strongest during the second year of the Intifada. The Israelis had been quick to extend legitimacy and status to Hamas in an attempt to marginalise the PLO. Leaders of Hamas were regularly filmed at meetings with top-level Israeli officials and the message the Israelis were sending out was that they regarded Hamas as the type of people with whom they could work....

In addition the Israelis continued turning a blind eye to the large amounts of money coming into the country destined for Hamas coffers, while at the same time actively stopping the flow of PLO funds in support of the Intifada."

In May 1991, following George Bush l's murderous war against Iraq, U.S. ally Saudi Arabia diverted all monies -reportedly $28 million per month - from the PLO to Hamas. This was punishment for Arafat's support for Saddam Hussein and a reward for Hamas' condemnation of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait (which Hussein had informed the U.S. ambassador about beforehand), the pretext for "Operation Desert Slaughter." Hamas, as far as the Zionists and the U.S. imperialists were concerned, was an asset.

But it was the Oslo "peace process" that gave Hamas its chance to win support in the Palestinian population: while the PLO was clamping down on any opposition to the accords with its myriad police forces, organized in cooperation with the CIA and Israel's Shin Beth, Hamas began carrying out indiscriminate bombings of civilian targets. Some of these actions were suicide bombings, in which a mujahid (holy warrior) would blow himself up in a crowded Israeli bus or market place. Between 1994 and 1998, Hamas killed around 150 Israeli civilians in this way. With Arafat closely tied to the Zionists and their U.S. backers, Hamas made temporary alliances with dissident factions within the PLO, and gained a reputation as "militants." Many of its new supporters did not agree strongly or at all with the Islamic goals of Hamas, but they were revolted by the apparent collaboration with the Zionists by leaders of Fatah, Arafat above all. By its double strategy of "negotiating" with the PLO and building up Islamic fundamentalism, Israeli rulers succeeded in fostering sometimes deadly rivalries among the Palestinian political leaders.

The Zionists also periodically provoked Hamas into carrying out a terrorist action against Israeli civilians whenever they were trying to derail peace talks with the PLO or to launch a broad attack on the Palestinians. A favorite tactic is to launch an attack on a prominent religious shrine. In September 1990, Zionist fundamentalists held a provocative march on the A I Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, predictably leading to an outburst of protest which was then bloodily suppressed by the Israeli police and army, leaving at least 21 dead. Israeli leaders were chomping at the bit to use the impending U.S. war on Iraq as a pretext to drown the first intifada in blood. At the time, George Bush I told Likud prime minister Shamir to cool it because he needed Arab support for his war. At the end of September 1996, the government of Likud prime minister Netanyahu provoked a slaughter of Palestinians by opening a tunnel under Al Aqsa, in order to undercut U.S. president Clinton's plans for negotiations with Arafat. And then, once again in September 2000, there was Sharon's provocative promenade in front of Al Aqsa, accompanied by 1,000 top Likudniks and 3,000 police and troops. This set off the second Palestinian intifada and with it a new wave of Hamas bombings, the latest being the Passover massacre at Netanya which provided the trigger needed to launch Israel's "Operation Defensive Shield."

Liberal commentators who admit that Israel created Hamas sometimes maintain that it is Israel's "Frankenstein monster," which got out of control and now has supposedly become Zionism's fiercest opponent. On the contrary, Israel's rulers continue to cynically provoke Hamas terror as a way of pushing their "final solution" against the PLO and all Palestinians. The Zionists have engineered the Palestinian "opposition" they want.

Nice Jewish name you have there DDaniel clearly see what side you speak for. Hammas are just puppets of the cia yet another zionist controlled outfit.

[timezone]

hezbollah are the real freedom fighters in that region.

[pinkfreud]

good article timezone. haven't read the whole thing yet but i will- and whatever's in there is correct. zionists will kill jews (they don't give a f**k for the jews- it's all about their bloodlines) and not hesitate in murdering millions more to further their propaganda.

when i say this, i think of the recent 'terror attacks' im mumbai where a jewish rabbi and his wife were supposedly killed by islamic fundamentalists- the whole act was orchestrated to make it look like it was an attack on the jewish community and foreigners from the u.s.a and u.k.- simply because they came from countries that supported israel.

what utter bs.

if you are well acquainted with icke's work, and other hidden + forbidden knowledge, you'd know what the truth behind all the world's bloodshed is really all about. it isn't about protecting the jews, it about enslaving humanity and pitting one against the other in the name of religion, race, sexuality- you name it. it's all about divide and rule- and the formation of hamas has served that very purpose.


that said, i am well aware that all jews are NOT zionists.

[and justice for all]

Originally Posted by timezone

hezbollah are the real freedom fighters in that region.

And kicked israel' butt twice with little else but rocks and sticks... figuratively speaking...

[ddaniel]

Originally Posted by timezone

How the Zionists Use Hamas As A Tool of Provocation

From its beginnings over a century ago, the object of the Zionist movement has been to create an ethnically and religiously exclusive "Jewish state" through conquering the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. "A land without people for a people without land," was the slogan. But since Palestine was actually populated by Arabs, they had to be made to disappear, through selective or wholesale expulsion and massacres, such as is taking place now on the West Bank. To realize their program, the Zionists have often resorted to provocation, even against "their own people" - for example, the Mossad's 1951 bombing of the Baghdad synagogue, in order to provoke the flight of the Iraqi Jews (see "Zionist Terror and the In Gathering' of Iraqi Jews," The Internationalist No. 9, January-February 2001). And from Theodor Herzl, Ze'ev Jabotinsky and David Ben Gurion to Yitzhak Rabin and Ariel Sharon, the Zionists have always been prepared to "do business with" the worst anti-Semites, including Hitler's Nazis (see "Zionism, Imperialism and Anti-Semitism" in the same issue).

Following this logic, the state of Israel helped create and foster the growth the Islamic fundamentalists. It is by now well-known how U.S. intelligence agencies created Osama Bin Laden, using the Saudi-born Yemeni millionaire to recruit "holy warriors" (mujahedin) to fight against the Soviet army in Afghanistan, and how the CIA's dogs of war later slipped the leash, turning their religious frenzy against the "infidels" of the West. Similarly, and in close connection with U.S. operations in Afghanistan, Israeli leaders nurtured the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a counter to the secular nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), then allied with the Soviet Union. Even after Hamas turned to suicide bombing against Israelis, the Zionist authorities favored it over the PLO. Today, as the Israeli army is supposedly engaged in a war to root out the "terrorist infrastructure," it has not touched Gaza, the bastion of Hamas and origin of most of the suicide bombers. Moreover, Israel's military machine has deliberately provoked terrorist attacks by the Islamic fundamentalists which then become the excuses for its war on the Palestinians.

The Zionist leaders want anti-Semitic terror. They need attacks on Jews in order to tighten their hold on the Hebrew people in the Israeli garrison state and to solidify their support from the imperialists, without which Israel could not survive.

The 1967 war - in which the Israeli army seized East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria - gave rise to a nationalist Palestinian opposition grouped together in the PLO. The largest single component was Fatah, headed by Yasir Arafat, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood who became a protégé of Egyptian nationalist leader Gamal Abdel Nasser. The PLO also included smaller nationalist groups allied with Syria, as well as the Palestine Communist Party (PCP) and two groups that cloaked their nationalism in Stalinist rhetoric, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) of George Habash and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) of Nayef Hawatmeh. At the time of their founding, the PFLP and DFLP modeled themselves on the Vietnamese National Liberation Front and saw themselves as fedayin (guerrilla fighters) in a national liberation struggle.

In the Palestinian lands which the Zionists occupied in 1967, the fedayin completely dominated the resistance and remade the PLO, which had been founded by Nasser in 1964 as the Palestinian nationalist umbrella organization. Nevertheless, the nationalist guerrillas were vulnerable in tiny Gaza, where nearly a million people are crammed into 140 square miles, most of it desert, most of it desert. For several years, the fedayin/PLO attacked Zionist military targets, achieving modest successes until the Israeli army laid siege to Gaza in 1971. Israel bulldozed hundreds of homes in the refugee camps and deported tens of thousands, including 15,000 suspected PLO fighters who were packed off to camps in the Sinai desert. As the Zionists brutally repressed the PLO, they sought to bolster the then-unimportant Islamic fundamentalist organizations centered around the Gaza-based Muslim Brotherhood.

Just as the CIA sought since the 1940s to foster Islamic-led counterrevolution in Soviet Central Asia (considered by the Cold Warriors to be the "soft underbelly" of the USSR), the Zionists believe that their aims can be served by manipulating Islamic fundamentalist groups. One of the most important leaders of Hamas was a top operative in U.S. imperialism's anti-Soviet operation in Afghanistan. ABC News correspondent John Cooley, writing in the International Herald Tribune (13 March 1996), noted: "A key Hamas organizer was Abdallah Azzam. He was a tough, brilliant and charismatic Palestinian from Jordan. He supervised training for the CIA's Afghan guerrillas in Peshawar, Pakistan, where a car bomb killed him in 1989. In the earlier 1980s he toured the United States, recruiting Arab-Americans for the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan."

The Israelis sought to use the Islamists in order to wield the club of religion against the alleged "godless Communists" in the PLO. In the CIA-funded "holy war" against modernizing nationalists and Soviet troops in Afghanistan, revolutionaries stood four-square with the Red Army, while pro-imperialist "leftists" cheered Washington's mujahedin. Today, the American ISO criticizes the U.S. government for "hailing Islamists in Afghanistan as 'freedom fighters' against the old USSR" (Socialist Worker, 12 April). In an act of historical falsification worthy of Stalin's own photo editors, it seeks to airbrush out the fact that the anti-Soviet ISO also hailed the Islamists at that time. In 1978 the Zionist government sought out Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and helped him found an Islamic social works organization, Mujama. According to a study by Beverley Milton-Edwards, Islamic Politics in Palestine (Tauris, 1996):

"In 1978 Israel's civil administration in Gaza encouraged Sheikh Yassin and his colleagues to submit an application to register the Mujama as a charitable society. Permission was granted; as such official [recognition] was frequently denied to other Gazans during this period, the decision was viewed with suspicion by the local political community. Although the Mujama described itself as a charity, the Israelis were well aware of its political aspirations.... When the Mujama started to exert its influence over already existing institutions as a means to undermine the nationalists, the Israelis stood by."

With Israeli collusion, Mujama set up the Islamic University of Gaza, to inculcate students with anti-PLO propaganda. The Mujamists chanted, "How can uncovered women and men with Beatle haircuts liberate our holy places?" Students who were insufficiently convinced of the anti-PLO line were brutally attacked, and sometimes acid was thrown in their faces. Mujama professed to be an education and charitable organization, but its real purpose was to attack PLO-allied institutions such as the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRC), a welfare and health care organization. In 1979, Mujama lost a municipal election in Gaza to the PRC, and appealed to the Israeli government to overturn the results! When the Israelis balked, knowing that overt Zionist support would have exposed Mujama as their tool, the Islamists took action.

"A demonstration then started out from the grounds of the [Islamic] university. Most of the people involved in the march and subsequent attacks were Mujama supporters. The demonstrators, ignoring the Israeli army soldiers stationed along their way, set off in the direction of the PRC building. According to Shalom Cohen, 'Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great), down with Communism, long live Islam.'

"During the demonstration the Mujama militants attacked cafes, video shops and liquor stores. When they arrived at the offices of the PRC they set the building on fire. The offices were destroyed, including approximately 80 per cent of the books in the library... Throughout the attack the Israeli authorities failed to intervene."

The PRC issued a statement denouncing the complicity of the Israeli forces:

"The tacit approval of the authorities, if not their actual connivance in what happened, was displayed by their attitude of non-interference. While they usually display great alertness to combating even peaceful demonstrations of young students within schools, here they stood indifferently watching a violently destructive demonstration marching to its objective."

At the time of the intifada of 1988, the second main Muslim fundamentalist organization in Palestine, Islamic Jihad, had been weakened by Zionist repression. Seeking to capitalize on the upsurge of militant protests by Palestinian youth, Hamas emerged from Mujama's ranks as its fighting organization. While PLO supporters preferred mass action, Hamas specialized in shootings, often of Israeli army personnel. Yet at the height of the intifada. Sheikh Yassin and Dr. Mahmoud Zahar of Hamas would meet with the likes of then-defense minister Yitzhak Rabin, while meetings with the PLO were prohibited by law. As Milton-Edwards notes:

"The relationship between Hamas and the Israeli authorities was, however, at its strongest during the second year of the Intifada. The Israelis had been quick to extend legitimacy and status to Hamas in an attempt to marginalise the PLO. Leaders of Hamas were regularly filmed at meetings with top-level Israeli officials and the message the Israelis were sending out was that they regarded Hamas as the type of people with whom they could work....

In addition the Israelis continued turning a blind eye to the large amounts of money coming into the country destined for Hamas coffers, while at the same time actively stopping the flow of PLO funds in support of the Intifada."

In May 1991, following George Bush l's murderous war against Iraq, U.S. ally Saudi Arabia diverted all monies -reportedly $28 million per month - from the PLO to Hamas. This was punishment for Arafat's support for Saddam Hussein and a reward for Hamas' condemnation of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait (which Hussein had informed the U.S. ambassador about beforehand), the pretext for "Operation Desert Slaughter." Hamas, as far as the Zionists and the U.S. imperialists were concerned, was an asset.

But it was the Oslo "peace process" that gave Hamas its chance to win support in the Palestinian population: while the PLO was clamping down on any opposition to the accords with its myriad police forces, organized in cooperation with the CIA and Israel's Shin Beth, Hamas began carrying out indiscriminate bombings of civilian targets. Some of these actions were suicide bombings, in which a mujahid (holy warrior) would blow himself up in a crowded Israeli bus or market place. Between 1994 and 1998, Hamas killed around 150 Israeli civilians in this way. With Arafat closely tied to the Zionists and their U.S. backers, Hamas made temporary alliances with dissident factions within the PLO, and gained a reputation as "militants." Many of its new supporters did not agree strongly or at all with the Islamic goals of Hamas, but they were revolted by the apparent collaboration with the Zionists by leaders of Fatah, Arafat above all. By its double strategy of "negotiating" with the PLO and building up Islamic fundamentalism, Israeli rulers succeeded in fostering sometimes deadly rivalries among the Palestinian political leaders.

The Zionists also periodically provoked Hamas into carrying out a terrorist action against Israeli civilians whenever they were trying to derail peace talks with the PLO or to launch a broad attack on the Palestinians. A favorite tactic is to launch an attack on a prominent religious shrine. In September 1990, Zionist fundamentalists held a provocative march on the A I Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, predictably leading to an outburst of protest which was then bloodily suppressed by the Israeli police and army, leaving at least 21 dead. Israeli leaders were chomping at the bit to use the impending U.S. war on Iraq as a pretext to drown the first intifada in blood. At the time, George Bush I told Likud prime minister Shamir to cool it because he needed Arab support for his war. At the end of September 1996, the government of Likud prime minister Netanyahu provoked a slaughter of Palestinians by opening a tunnel under Al Aqsa, in order to undercut U.S. president Clinton's plans for negotiations with Arafat. And then, once again in September 2000, there was Sharon's provocative promenade in front of Al Aqsa, accompanied by 1,000 top Likudniks and 3,000 police and troops. This set off the second Palestinian intifada and with it a new wave of Hamas bombings, the latest being the Passover massacre at Netanya which provided the trigger needed to launch Israel's "Operation Defensive Shield."

Liberal commentators who admit that Israel created Hamas sometimes maintain that it is Israel's "Frankenstein monster," which got out of control and now has supposedly become Zionism's fiercest opponent. On the contrary, Israel's rulers continue to cynically provoke Hamas terror as a way of pushing their "final solution" against the PLO and all Palestinians. The Zionists have engineered the Palestinian "opposition" they want.

Nice Jewish name you have there DDaniel clearly see what side you speak for. Hammas are just puppets of the cia yet another zionist controlled outfit.

I've never actually seen a lot of this information as I am new to the whole "Truth Movement". I don't even know what to think anymore with the way our world works, and this article sorta threw me off. I guess I still don't understand the extent of the corruption / control of the elite.

I'm not trying to say Israel is right in their actions right now, i'm just saying the Palestinians aren't completely innocent.

[pinkfreud]

Originally Posted by ddaniel

I've never actually seen a lot of this information as I am new to the whole "Truth Movement". I don't even know what to think anymore with the way our world works, and this article sorta threw me off. I guess I still don't understand the extent of the corruption / control of the elite.

I'm not trying to say Israel is right in their actions right now, i'm just saying the Palestinians aren't completely innocent.

have you read the biggest secret? if you haven't please do- it's a good way to start getting informed about this, and you will probably never look at the israel-palestine situation the same way again.

also go here http://www.rense.com/ and read the featured stories section.

search for threads in this forum that shed light on the zionist propaganda.


all palestinians may not be innocent, because some are mere puppets of zionists; take the hamas for instance. but if you would ask me to pick the greater of the two evils, i would not hesitate even for a second to choose israel- not because of its people, but because of those responsible for its formation- the illuminati.

[and justice for all]

Originally Posted by timezone

How the Zionists Use Hamas As A Tool of Provocation

From its beginnings over a century ago, the object of the Zionist movement has been to create an ethnically and religiously exclusive "Jewish state" through conquering the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. [...]

Yup. Here’s another...


Hamas is a Creation of Mossad
globalresearch.ca

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)". [...]

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

LINK;
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

[cafetimes1991]

320 - Official Gaza toll (source: UN)
62 civilians in Gaza (source: UN)
2 civilians in Israel (source: Israel police)

At the moment...

[91181]

Originally Posted by cafetimes1991

320 - Official Gaza toll (source: UN)
62 civilians in Gaza (source: UN)
2 civilians in Israel (source: Israel police)

At the moment...

How do they know who is a civilian and who is not, do hamas wear uniforms ?

[kappy0405]

Originally Posted by cafetimes1991

320 - Official Gaza toll (source: UN)
62 civilians in Gaza (source: UN)
2 civilians in Israel (source: Israel police)

At the moment...

links? not that i dont believe it.. itd be nice to have em handy.

[lewi]

Iran seem ready to assist the Palestinians ....... what the hell is going on !!


http://www1.irna.ir/en/news/view/men...9760222445.htm

Nasrollah referring to ongoing deteriorating human catastrophe in Gaza, under barbaric all-out invasion of Zionists called on entire world Muslims, including Arab nations, to support the Palestinians, particularly the defenseless Gaza residents in any possible way.

According to IRNA correspondent in Beirut, Nasrallah added in his message, "I am hereby also asking the Arab and Muslim nations to take practical steps aimed at ending the invasions of the Zionists and to support the Palestinians."

Addressing the Arab leaders, too, he said, "Prove in practice that you are making efforts aimed at assisting the Palestinian nation and defending the Gaza Strip residents, but such duties is presently only on the shoulders of the nations that pour into the streets and take part in demonstrations."
The Secretary General of Hezbollah said, "Lebanon that has suffered greatest losses and endured most severe hardships due to Zionist regime aggressions naturally has to be on the side of the Palestinian nation in this struggle, not the Arabic political systems.

[ddaniel]

Originally Posted by pinkfreud

have you read the biggest secret? if you haven't please do- it's a good way to start getting informed about this, and you will probably never look at the israel-palestine situation the same way again.

also go here http://www.rense.com/ and read the featured stories section.

search for threads in this forum that shed light on the zionist propaganda.


all palestinians may not be innocent, because some are mere puppets of zionists; take the hamas for instance. but if you would ask me to pick the greater of the two evils, i would not hesitate even for a second to choose israel- not because of its people, but because of those responsible for its formation- the illuminati.

Thanks I just ordered a copy. If all of this is true, I understand why everyone responded to my post so ferociously. I'm still having to accept the fact that a lot of what I know isn't true, and it's a LOT to take in.

Its all so depressing I almost wish I had never been 'woken up' to begin with.

PS: Enough with the 'Jew name" comments already lol. I'm About as far from as an Israeli as you can get: German, Italian, and Cherokee Indian.

[notthisshitagain]

Originally Posted by le chuck

The land belongs to the Jews.

Genesis 12:19

12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram [a] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided." 15 The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring [b] all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

Genesis 12: 1:3

1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.

2 "I will make you into a great nation
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."


And that land is Israel, the palies are the invaders who took that land 600 ad in conquest.

Shalom.

Breaking News

Israel Shatters Key Hamas Targets

Israeli warplanes bomb a significant Hamas cultural symbol in a new wave of airstrikes on Gaza.

More Here

Why the fuck do you always come up with "The land belongs to the Jews"? This is the part where I want to yell out my username; I would also laugh at your post, but this bombing stuff is so tragic, I just can't. I refuse to believe that I share oxygen with the motherfucking Zionists. The more I read this, the sadder I get... and for the record, like other people have said before, i'm fully aware that not all Jews are the same.

[pinkfreud]

Originally Posted by ddaniel

Thanks I just ordered a copy. If all of this is true, I understand why everyone responded to my post so ferociously. I'm still having to accept the fact that a lot of what I know isn't true, and it's a LOT to take in.

Its all so depressing I almost wish I had never been 'woken up' to begin with.

yeah it can be intimidating- if you let it.

the key is to breathe deep, imbibe whatever resonates with you and have a cuppa/smoke/drink while you're at it-whatever suits you just relax, and remember it's natural to be overwhelmed; because it's the very first sign you're breaking free of your 'programming'.

don't be depressed. if anything you should be thankful you've got this opportunity to learn the truth. would you prefer to remain in spiritual slumber- or would you want to learn more, become more knowledgeable in the matters of the universe, and use this information for the betterment of yourself and those around you? that's the question.

hope you'll find what you're looking for here. the answer is always there- you just have to be ready.

[pinkfreud]

Originally Posted by notthisshitagain

This is the part where I want to yell out my username

roflmao.

[ddaniel]

Originally Posted by stelios

You are a zionist and you are living on top of somebody elses haouse and you are trampling on their heads every single day.
If you are genuine and care for peace then why dont you leave Israel and go back home?

You compare the situation to a crapshoot?
Interesting you really dont regard Palestinians as even human beings do you.
I would compare the situation to a massacre. Innocent women and children throwing stones and fireworks with you boys having all your 200 nukes and stealth bombers and chemical weapons and biological agents and clusters bombs all bought and paid for by the USA taxpayer.

Hang your head in shame you filthy disgusting zionist scumbag.
You are going to get your just deserts one day.

Do you really think replies like this are productive?