famous freemasons and eastern star exposed

[boots]

Originally Posted by humito

." Although personally as a Christian I can't wait until all these other "Christians" get told by God himself just how wrong they were to persecute freemasonry " ............written by a mason.............

yes we all have a right to believe what we want..........but with the above comment you made this only confirms my doubts about freemasonry and christianity as viable spiritual options............!!!! you seem to be baying for blood?? what will god do to these heretics and unbelievers who persecute masonry? torment them in hell forever because freemasonry is the one true way of god realisation and everyone who is not a brother will be judged by a wrathfull God ? very christian and forgiving and full of brotherly love................lol............sicko I bet you get off on all the sworn secrets and death threats and intimated violence in your rituals............wish it was all real do you?? ..........you obviously have no knowledge of occult practice otherwise you would see through the symbolism of masonry........also dont accuse me of being a trendy nihalist..........its the very thing i am not

Good post You called this loser out for what he is. A true mind controlled fool.


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[elirien]

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

I am glad I convinced you that freemasonry is not a viable spiritual option. Indeed, its not a spiritual option at all. Its not spiritual, was never meant to be spiritual, and will never be spiritual. Its also not a religion.

really

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by elirien

really

Really.

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by boots

Good post You called this loser out for what he is. A true mind controlled fool.


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Nice try fascist, but you've failed again.

[humito]

Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ......................

The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.....................

[stewart edwards]

Originally Posted by humito

Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ......................

Apologies for picking up on a small point:

I can only talk about the Mysteries as I understand them but I dont think that you can say that "all" the Mysteries try to mislead. It is just you see different things the further you delve.

I could say to use "Hero" by Mariah Carey is a great song.
I could aslo say that it makes me feel good inside.
I could also say that when you listen to the words, really listen to them, you are being sung some of the most ancient knowledge on this planet.

Different layers, but at no stage has there been any intention to deceive. It is just that "what you get from it" can change as you reflect and think and open your heart. It was only a couple of weeks ago that I realised the ancient knowledge "the Mystery" within the words was there, even though I had heard the song previously. It is not the intention to decieive, more a case of being hidden in plain sight ready and waiting for "you" to be ready to grasp the inner teachings.

Now work this backwards. If I tried to explain the above to most people, they would go "he is do-lalley" (could be true), so I may just say that the song makes me feel good. But when someone says hey Stewart you will never believe me but..... I may say - I know. At no stage have I lied or given false info, just patiently waited until the person is ready to pass the veil and see for themselves.

If your are quoting, it may be that the author was simply a man of their day. Society moves on, attitudes progress, wrongs of one generation are righted by subsequent ones. Also in the past people have been tortured and murdered for holding such knowledge. Probably still happens somewhere in the world.

If you humito want to access teh hidden knowledge of the Mysteries you will find all of the answers in your daily life - seriously. It is all there, all the real stuff that matters anyway. Hidden in the plain sight of your work, commute, shopping, family, friends, casual chats in the street, etc. If you ever find that you have an undefinable itch in your heart that there is something more to life, something that you are not quite getting, then that can be the start of finding it all. It took me over a decade, which is a long time, but it is also a short time in respect of your average lifespan. It is there ready and waiting for you..

[keystone]

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

....................freemasonry.............. Its not spiritual, was never meant to be spiritual, and will never be spiritual.

I think it is.

Its also not a religion.

Agreed.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by boots

Good post You called this loser out for what he is. A true mind controlled fool.

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

Nice try fascist, but you've failed again.

This relationship is really working guys isn't it?

[boots]

Originally Posted by keystone

This relationship is really working guys isn't it?

I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire..

This LID poster is a shill. Starts out calling anyone that doen't fit his small ego a Fascist His been looking in the mirror to long.

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[mike martin]

Originally Posted by humito

Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ......................

The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.....................

Humito,
If you were familiar with that book, like the first person who cobbled that almost famous (now) quote together, you too would know that Pike's words have been warped in order to support an anti-Masonic agenda.

For you benefit, I reproduce what I responded with when it was last rolled out:

What you have reproduced is not actually what Pike wrote! It is, in fact, two separate quotes from either end of an 800+ page philosophical book and unsuprisingly they were talking about different things. This is why I keep suggesting that those who insist on using Pike to shore up their theories should actually read the book themselves rather than regurgitating what they have been spoon fed by people with an agenda.

Here are the actual quotes in their original context and I have made the bits that have been extracted and fed to you bold. I think that once you have read them that even you if you are honest will be able to see that Pike was talking about different things in each part of what became the "excalibur" of quotes when it comes to "hidden higher levels" of Freemasonry.:

Page 104-05, Pike talking about how Freemasonry conceals its secrets from outsiders not Masons:


Quote:
Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it. So God Himself incapacitates many men, by color-blindness, to distinguish colors, and leads the masses away from the highest Truth, giving them the power to attain only so much of it as it is profitable to them to know. Every age has had a religion suited to its capacity.

The Teachers, even of Christianity, are, in general, the most ignorant of the true meaning of that which they teach. There is no book of which so little is known as the Bible. To most who read it, it is as incomprehensible as the Sohar.

So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets, and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray. There is no sight under the sun more pitiful and ludicrous at once, than the spectacle of the Prestons and the Webbs, not to mention the later incarnations of Dullness and Commonplace, undertaking to "explain" the old symbols of Masonry, and adding to and "improving" them, or inventing new ones.

Then on page 818 - 819, we find Pike talking about the historical Knights Templar:


Quote:
Thus the Order of Knights of the Temple was at its very origin devoted to the cause of opposition to the tiara of Rome and the crowns of Kings, and the Apostolate of Kabalistic Gnosticism was vested in its chiefs. For Saint John himself was the Father of the Gnostics, and the current translation of his polemic against the heretical of his Sect and the pagans who denied that Christ was the Word, is throughout a misrepresentation, or misunderstanding at least, of the whole Spirit of that Evangel.

"The tendencies and tenets of the Order were enveloped in profound mystery, and it externally professed the most perfect orthodoxy. The Chiefs alone knew the aim of the Order: the Subalterns followed them without distrust.

"To acquire influence and wealth, then to intrigue, and at need to fight, to establish the Johannite or Gnostic and Kabalistic dogma, were the object and means proposed to the initiated Brethren. The Papacy and the rival monarchies, they said to them, are sold and bought in these days, become corrupt, and to-morrow, perhaps, will destroy each other. All that will become the heritage of the Temple: the World will soon come to us for its Sovereigns and Pontiffs. We shall constitute the equilibrium of the Universe, and be rulers over the Masters of the World.

"The Templars, like all other Secret Orders and Associations, had two doctrines, one concealed and reserved for the Masters, which was Johannism; the other public, which was the Roman Catholic. Thus they deceived the adversaries whom they sought to supplant. Hence Free-Masonry, vulgarly imagined to have begun with the Dionysian Architects or the German Stone-workers, adopted Saint John the Evangelist as one of its patrons, associating with him, in order not to arouse the suspicions of Rome, Saint John the Baptist, and thus covertly proclaiming itself the child of the Kabalah and Essenism together."

[For the Johannism of the Adepts was the Kabalah of the earlier Gnostics, degenerating afterward into those heretical forms which Gnosticism developed, so that even Manes had his followers among them. Many adopted his doctrines of the two Principles, the recollection of which is perpetuated by the handle of the dagger and the tesserated pavement or floor of the Lodge, stupidly called "the Indented Tessel," and represented by great hanging tassels, when it really means a tesserated floor (from the Latin tessera) of white and black lozenges, with a necessarily denticulated or indented border or edging. And wherever, in the higher Degrees, the two colors white and black, are in juxtaposition, the two Principles of Zoroaster and Manes are alluded to. With others the doctrine became a mystic Pantheism, descended from that of the Brahmins, and even pushed to an idolatry of Nature and hatred of every revealed dogma.

[To all this the absurd reading of the established Church, taking literally the figurative, allegorical, and mythical language of a collection of Oriental books of different ages, directly and inevitably led. The same result long after followed the folly of regarding the Hebrew books as if they had been written by the unimaginative, hard, practical intellect of the England of James the First and the bigoted stolidity of Scottish Presbyterianism.]

"The better to succeed and win partisans, the Templars sympathized with regrets for dethroned creeds and encouraged the hopes of new worships, promising to all liberty of conscience and a new orthodoxy that should be the synthesis of all the persecuted creeds."

[It is absurd to suppose that men of intellect adored a monstrous idol called Baphomet, or recognized Mahomet as an inspired prophet. Their symbolism, invented ages before, to conceal what it was dangerous to avow, was of course misunderstood by those who were not adepts, and to their enemies seemed to be pantheistic. The calf of gold, made by Aaron for the Israelites, was but one of the oxen under the laver of bronze, and the Karobim on the Propitiatory, misunderstood. The symbols of the wise always become the idols of the ignorant multitude. What the Chiefs of the Order really believed and taught, is indicated to the Adepts by the hints contained in the high Degrees of Free-Masonry, and by the symbols which only the Adepts understand.

The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry. The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the ages.]

The seeds of decay were sown in the Order of the Temple at its origin. Hypocrisy is a mortal disease. It had conceived a great work which it was incapable of executing, because it knew neither humility nor personal abnegation, because Rome was then invincible, and because the later Chiefs of the Order did not comprehend its mission. Moreover, the Templars were in general uneducated, and capable only of wielding the sword, with no qualifications for governing, and at need enchaining, that queen of the world called Opinion." [The doctrines of the Chiefs would, if expounded to the masses, have seemed to them the babblings of folly. The symbols of the wise are the idols of the vulgar, or else as meaningless as the hieroglyphics of Egypt to the nomadic Arabs. There must always be a common-place interpretation for the mass of Initiates, of the symbols that are eloquent to the Adepts.]

Hughes de Payens himself had not that keen and far-sighted intellect nor that grandeur of purpose which afterward distinguished the military founder of another soldiery that became formidable to kings. The Templars were unintelligent and therefore unsuccessful Jesuits.

Their watchword was, to become wealthy, in order to buy the world. They became so, and in 1312 they possessed in Europe.

So now that you can read all of their words, would you still say they were talking about the same thing?

Here is a link to an on-line version of M&D that I'm sure you (if you're not just a mouth-piece) will find of interest: http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

Mike

[meksar]

The masons will fall sooner than they expected

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by meksar

The masons will fall sooner than they expected

I believe you have to be doing something to fall don't you?

Too bad nothing to fall out of. Oh well. Maybe if you directed your hatred towards equality and liberty towards another organization?

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by mike martin

Humito,
If you were familiar with that book, like the first person who cobbled that almost famous (now) quote together, you too would know that Pike's words have been warped in order to support an anti-Masonic agenda.

Mike, I applaud you for presenting so much reason and evidence to debunk these random pike quotes. I am reading Morals & Dogma right now for the first time and I've noticed much of the quotes seem to be disjointed but thanks for pointing out exactly how they are doing it.

[the guy in pink]

Originally Posted by meksar

The masons will fall sooner than they expected

This is what dear Joe has been saying for a long time now. He keeps saying it will fall within weeks or months, and has been saying that for a few years now. His lastest prediction on this very forum is " Early next year".
We wait with bated breath.......

[humito]

Originally Posted by mike martin

Humito,
If you were familiar with that book, like the first person who cobbled that almost famous (now) quote together, you too would know that Pike's words have been warped in order to support an anti-Masonic agenda.

For you benefit, I reproduce what I responded with when it was last rolled out:

What you have reproduced is not actually what Pike wrote! It is, in fact, two separate quotes from either end of an 800+ page philosophical book and unsuprisingly they were talking about different things. This is why I keep suggesting that those who insist on using Pike to shore up their theories should actually read the book themselves rather than regurgitating what they have been spoon fed by people with an agenda.

Here are the actual quotes in their original context and I have made the bits that have been extracted and fed to you bold. I think that once you have read them that even you if you are honest will be able to see that Pike was talking about different things in each part of what became the "excalibur" of quotes when it comes to "hidden higher levels" of Freemasonry.:

Page 104-05, Pike talking about how Freemasonry conceals its secrets from outsiders not Masons:


Quote:
Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it. So God Himself incapacitates many men, by color-blindness, to distinguish colors, and leads the masses away from the highest Truth, giving them the power to attain only so much of it as it is profitable to them to know. Every age has had a religion suited to its capacity.

The Teachers, even of Christianity, are, in general, the most ignorant of the true meaning of that which they teach. There is no book of which so little is known as the Bible. To most who read it, it is as incomprehensible as the Sohar.

So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets, and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray. There is no sight under the sun more pitiful and ludicrous at once, than the spectacle of the Prestons and the Webbs, not to mention the later incarnations of Dullness and Commonplace, undertaking to "explain" the old symbols of Masonry, and adding to and "improving" them, or inventing new ones.

Then on page 818 - 819, we find Pike talking about the historical Knights Templar:


Quote:
Thus the Order of Knights of the Temple was at its very origin devoted to the cause of opposition to the tiara of Rome and the crowns of Kings, and the Apostolate of Kabalistic Gnosticism was vested in its chiefs. For Saint John himself was the Father of the Gnostics, and the current translation of his polemic against the heretical of his Sect and the pagans who denied that Christ was the Word, is throughout a misrepresentation, or misunderstanding at least, of the whole Spirit of that Evangel.

"The tendencies and tenets of the Order were enveloped in profound mystery, and it externally professed the most perfect orthodoxy. The Chiefs alone knew the aim of the Order: the Subalterns followed them without distrust.

"To acquire influence and wealth, then to intrigue, and at need to fight, to establish the Johannite or Gnostic and Kabalistic dogma, were the object and means proposed to the initiated Brethren. The Papacy and the rival monarchies, they said to them, are sold and bought in these days, become corrupt, and to-morrow, perhaps, will destroy each other. All that will become the heritage of the Temple: the World will soon come to us for its Sovereigns and Pontiffs. We shall constitute the equilibrium of the Universe, and be rulers over the Masters of the World.

"The Templars, like all other Secret Orders and Associations, had two doctrines, one concealed and reserved for the Masters, which was Johannism; the other public, which was the Roman Catholic. Thus they deceived the adversaries whom they sought to supplant. Hence Free-Masonry, vulgarly imagined to have begun with the Dionysian Architects or the German Stone-workers, adopted Saint John the Evangelist as one of its patrons, associating with him, in order not to arouse the suspicions of Rome, Saint John the Baptist, and thus covertly proclaiming itself the child of the Kabalah and Essenism together."

[For the Johannism of the Adepts was the Kabalah of the earlier Gnostics, degenerating afterward into those heretical forms which Gnosticism developed, so that even Manes had his followers among them. Many adopted his doctrines of the two Principles, the recollection of which is perpetuated by the handle of the dagger and the tesserated pavement or floor of the Lodge, stupidly called "the Indented Tessel," and represented by great hanging tassels, when it really means a tesserated floor (from the Latin tessera) of white and black lozenges, with a necessarily denticulated or indented border or edging. And wherever, in the higher Degrees, the two colors white and black, are in juxtaposition, the two Principles of Zoroaster and Manes are alluded to. With others the doctrine became a mystic Pantheism, descended from that of the Brahmins, and even pushed to an idolatry of Nature and hatred of every revealed dogma.

[To all this the absurd reading of the established Church, taking literally the figurative, allegorical, and mythical language of a collection of Oriental books of different ages, directly and inevitably led. The same result long after followed the folly of regarding the Hebrew books as if they had been written by the unimaginative, hard, practical intellect of the England of James the First and the bigoted stolidity of Scottish Presbyterianism.]

"The better to succeed and win partisans, the Templars sympathized with regrets for dethroned creeds and encouraged the hopes of new worships, promising to all liberty of conscience and a new orthodoxy that should be the synthesis of all the persecuted creeds."

[It is absurd to suppose that men of intellect adored a monstrous idol called Baphomet, or recognized Mahomet as an inspired prophet. Their symbolism, invented ages before, to conceal what it was dangerous to avow, was of course misunderstood by those who were not adepts, and to their enemies seemed to be pantheistic. The calf of gold, made by Aaron for the Israelites, was but one of the oxen under the laver of bronze, and the Karobim on the Propitiatory, misunderstood. The symbols of the wise always become the idols of the ignorant multitude. What the Chiefs of the Order really believed and taught, is indicated to the Adepts by the hints contained in the high Degrees of Free-Masonry, and by the symbols which only the Adepts understand.

The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry. The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the ages.]

The seeds of decay were sown in the Order of the Temple at its origin. Hypocrisy is a mortal disease. It had conceived a great work which it was incapable of executing, because it knew neither humility nor personal abnegation, because Rome was then invincible, and because the later Chiefs of the Order did not comprehend its mission. Moreover, the Templars were in general uneducated, and capable only of wielding the sword, with no qualifications for governing, and at need enchaining, that queen of the world called Opinion." [The doctrines of the Chiefs would, if expounded to the masses, have seemed to them the babblings of folly. The symbols of the wise are the idols of the vulgar, or else as meaningless as the hieroglyphics of Egypt to the nomadic Arabs. There must always be a common-place interpretation for the mass of Initiates, of the symbols that are eloquent to the Adepts.]

Hughes de Payens himself had not that keen and far-sighted intellect nor that grandeur of purpose which afterward distinguished the military founder of another soldiery that became formidable to kings. The Templars were unintelligent and therefore unsuccessful Jesuits.

Their watchword was, to become wealthy, in order to buy the world. They became so, and in 1312 they possessed in Europe.

So now that you can read all of their words, would you still say they were talking about the same thing?

Here is a link to an on-line version of M&D that I'm sure you (if you're not just a mouth-piece) will find of interest: http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

Mike

thanks surprisingly yes I have read the book.with great reason .

yes I feel the same it shows better in context what the man really was...................and what lower degree masons are............brainwashed sheep that are spoon fed ridiculous ritual.......and given half truths and itellectual mystery to be kept at a certain vibration and level of understanding ,leaving you thinking that you are becomming a better person,he admits to closly guarded secrets kept within the elite circle that are of a different agenda( one to which most masons would not even contemplate attaining never leaving the blue.).......and displays an astounding level of hatred towards the rest of undeserving humanity......at least Crowley wanted knowledge of the universal laws and energies and the truth of all religions available for all .......yes there are no real spiritual secrets left in freemasonry........most of the decent ritual of high degree has been bettered by magickal societies formed by those masons seeking real hands on wisdom and direct spiritual communion, the secret is out that the religious gnosis is revealed worldwide by the mushroom or the cacti or the vine or any other plant of the gods and that what we perceive as reality is a drop in the ocean of experience it also shows us the absurd ritual of masonry and how the energy generated can permanantly alter the masons aura and chakras ........I have attended myself whilst tripping on amanitas and saw this happen together with an energy attatchement appearing with said mason....ceremonial magic and shamanism is the best way to controll the plant conciousness and knowledge and manipulation of the universal forces................. we the profane msses have been mind controlled by masonic government and monarchy who have corrupted sacred knowledge and subverted the use of symbolism and sigils etc and kept the rest of us enslaved by perverting it for their own advantage instead of for the greater good of all......... it has become over the years corrupted beyond belief and has become a tool of the nwo and tptb to controll money/buisness/ religion/recources/food production/entertainment and events on the world stage and to take away human liberties through indoctrination of false values instilling false fears .............I dont believe there is one all encompassing conspiracy theory.......but I do know you are better off steering away from people who think that they are better than you ,that think you are one of the profane masses...........its very patronising.........thats why the masonic ptb want supression of the plant teachers..........and want you to use the drugs they supply.....
Most masons are so wrapped up in masonry that they dont realise that its inpenatrability and promise of wisdom to better the self is really just annother form of mind controll.......keeping you busy with symbolic meaning and fullfilling your egos need its very seductive......... for the most corrupting ancient knowledge or just plain fabricating it as has been exposed many times................I do not see the point of masons being on this forum and hijacking threads..........most of the people here have done their research and have come to the conclusion that for the most part and unnoticed by most 3rd degreers is the blatant truth that freemasonry and its offshoots is corrupt from the bottom to to the top and is a vehicle for deception/reality, control and crimes aganst humanity
I did my research on the inside when i wanted to learn about the masons (I had my own very good reasons) and used psychedelics help me perceive the reality...........Its very boring to talk to brainwashed robots who continue to tow the official line about masonry and come across all holier then thow and either want to condescend or abuse or are just plain evil as in lightinthedarkness who cannot wait for god to judge false christians who think masonry is evil!! LOL also Mike if anyone is just a mouthpeice its you,you have no opinion on anything except masonry.
Also if you really want people to be sympthetic about masonry tell us all about it and enlighten everyone dont just tell us what it isn,t. and have a bit of a sense of humor too

[keystone]

Originally Posted by meksar

The masons will fall sooner than they expected

Originally Posted by the guy in pink

This is what dear Joe has been saying for a long time now. He keeps saying it will fall within weeks or months, and has been saying that for a few years now. His lastest prediction on this very forum is " Early next year".
We wait with bated breath.......

Meksars writing style sooo reminds me of Joe / Chas / who was the other one? that have admitted to posting under the banfreekmasons moniker that I'm tempted to beleive that this poster is from the same stable.

and Meksar is an anagram of Masker as well.

[mike martin]

Originally Posted by humito

thanks surprisingly yes I have read the book.with great reason .

yes I feel the same it shows better in context what the man really was...................and what lower degree masons are............brainwashed sheep that are spoon fed ridiculous ritual.......and given half truths and itellectual mystery to be kept at a certain vibration and level of understanding ,leaving you thinking that you are becomming a better person,he admits to closly guarded secrets kept within the elite circle that

OK?

Originally Posted by humito

I did my research on the inside when i wanted to learn about the masons (I had my own very good reasons) and used psychedelics help me perceive the reality...........Its very boring to talk to brainwashed robots who continue to tow the official line about masonry and come across all holier then thow and either want to condescend or abuse or are just plain evil as in lightinthedarkness who cannot wait for god to judge false christians who think masonry is evil!! LOL

Interesting! So you are a Mason then? What Grand Lodge were you a member of?

Originally Posted by humito

also Mike if anyone is just a mouthpeice its you,you have no opinion on anything except masonry.
Also if you really want people to be sympthetic about masonry tell us all about it and enlighten everyone dont just tell us what it isn,t. and have a bit of a sense of humor too

I'm a mouthpiece for me and I have plenty of opinion on many things other than Masonry. I don't particularly want people to be sympathetic to Masonry! My time here is just spent trying to help people see the other side of the story, otherwise they wouldn't get the chance.

Mike

[humito]

no i am an ex mason who has reversed the energy attachement of the 3 degrees ......as if iam going to reveal the ex lodge .I am not stupid.I know what happens lol.......duh I have reason to believe that I already suffer at the hands of higher degree masons for bannishing a hundered years of energies built into the lodge from all the initiation!!!!!!!!!! thats annother story.........
most of us in here realise that most masons are not bad people and believe they have found a path to truth...... I myself can attest and most truly believe that they are doing the right thing and making themselves better people and would defend masonry to the death never realising what is going on around you.......always being good little boys in the hope of being chosen for greater things..........lol
anyway this thread was supposed to be about possible hand signalling amongst the elite and famous.......its not me saying they are truly masonic/eastern star in origin..........but there are many many occult offshoots of masonry that use the ancient knowledge as a basis for their own agenda and although in the collection of pics half may be random there is definatly something going on here, i only wanted peoples opinion on it ............instead it was hijacked by masons defending masonry............................thanks for posting those fuller passages by pike..............if we are going to discuss him here , what are you 'own'or instilled attitudes or other masons thoughts on them.............how do they resonate with you from a stoic masonic stance.................coz i gotta say they dont sit easy in my kind of mind ?

[soulja]

the M sign is pretty much self evident..

sure you can debate about some examples shown in the pdf but overall the guy who did it was spot on.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by soulja

the M sign is pretty much self evident..

sure you can debate about some examples shown in the pdf but overall the guy who did it was spot on.

The M sign is nothing but BS and imagination. We've done this to death already - it isn't a masonic sign.