Stepford wives

[driscol]

Originally Posted by bobthegoon

Yes, there are extreme examples, but they are the few exceptions.

The examples I gave were to illustrate one thing in particular: that possibly the most important aspect of what makes someone distinctily look like who they are has much less to do with the shape of a nose, or other minor changes to individual features, and has everything to do with the structure of the face. These are listed as follows:

Shape of the skull
Size of the skull
Size of the forehead
Length of the jawbone
Width of the jawbone
Distance between the eyes
How far the eye sockets recess into the skull
Size of the eye sockets
Distance from the bottom eyelids/eye sockets to the bottom of the nose
Length of the nose
Distance of the bottom of the nose to the top of the top lip
Placement of the ears
Shape of the eyes
The width of the mouth
The inner part of the ear
The earlobe (it may grow bigger in old age but it will not change from attached to unattached etc)


Almost all of these simply can not be changed with any kind of surgery. An exception is width of the jaw, which can made to temporarily appear to be wider/not as wide as it naturally is through implants (which only last for a certain time) or by a painful and extreme reduction operation (where the effect is mostly negligible anyway) respectively.

All of these factors combine together to create a unique 'face print' that is instantly recognisable.

It is when one or more of these factors are off that the brain realises something is wrong with what they are seeing. Never encountering this strange 'sensation' before in their day-to-day lives, they interpret this feeling and what they are seeing in the most rational way, putting it down to 'age' or 'weight-loss' or 'plastic-surgery'.

The problem with the replacements is that their changes cannot be explained by these factors. Almost all replacements keep about the same weight. The change in all of the replacements can (almost by definition) be narrowed down to having happened within months, so age can all but be ruled out. Also, the difference in most of the replacements facial features are negligible, so even plastic surgery is hard to count as a reason for the way a person has 'changed'.

And as I showed in my examples, even when a person has had a significant operation, they are still instantly recognisable.

Put simply, the man who we are supposed to believe is Paul McCartney cannot be him because it has been proven that his skull is a completely different shape (from wide and round to longer and thinner) and his ears are clearly unattached while they used to be undoubtedly attached. There is no way around these facts.

Even the extreme case you saw on tv, I would bet just about all of the structural aspects I have listed at the top of my post have remained exactly the same.

Have you got a link to this example?

I'll post a few.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=world...1t:429,r:4,s:0

Not sure how to post it as an image except with photobucket so I guess it has to be a link.

Can't find the guy right now, will post him later when I find him. Looked alot like the woman here.

Problem is many of the features you listed will change over time. I don't look close to how I looked five years ago and I have never had any major surgery of any kind.

People seem to underestimate the ability of cosmetic surgery and the aging process. The pictures posted of Al Gore don't even look different, he just looks older and fatter.


http://www.google.com/imgres?q=plast...t:429,r:11,s:0


other guy.

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by driscol

Not sure how to post it as an image except with photobucket so I guess it has to be a link.

Take a look at this thread for how to's

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=30387

[driscol]

Originally Posted by merlincove

Take a look at this thread for how to's

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=30387

thanks.

[bobthegoon]

Originally Posted by driscol

I'll post a few.
Not sure how to post it as an image except with photobucket so I guess it has to be a link.

Can't find the guy right now, will post him later when I find him. Looked alot like the woman here.

Problem is many of the features you listed will change over time. I don't look close to how I looked five years ago and I have never had any major surgery of any kind.

People seem to underestimate the ability of cosmetic surgery and the aging process. The pictures posted of Al Gore don't even look different, he just looks older and fatter.

I doubt it. You may think so, but people's feature don't just change. People might put on shed-loads of weight, lose their hair/go grey have dental work done, age 20 years, etc but all the core values of their face will be exact. I don't know anyone who hasn't always looked the samem disregarding such superficial criteria. 99.999999999% of people in the public eye always look the same, bar a small number of replacements, whether between the ages of 20 amd 60.

The top link is to the woman who is probably the single most famous example (after Michael Jackson I guess) of botched/terrible plastic surgery.

I did a google and found her name, Jocelyn Wildenstein.

The before and after pictures are instructive:



The picure on the left is from 1998 (probably already had work done by the looks of it), the one on the right is much more recent. Plenty of work done, chin implants, lip and cheek fillers, possible/probable facelift(s) - she's about as extreme example as you're going to get, but to me you can still tell it's the woman on the left. Edit: The major changes are the massive chin implant and the lip filler, apart from that she actually looks pretty close to me. 2nd EDIT: The nose looks practially identical, also, though hard to tell from just the two images.

Based on the criteria I listed on my earlier post everything is, as I would expect, the same. The distance between the eyes, the shape and size of the eyes, distance of eyes from bottom of nose, size and shape of the forehead, the shape and size of the brow, distance of bottom of nose to the top of the top lip is virtually identical despite the horrendous lip-filler job, length of nose bone, etc. Even on these two solitary photos with slightly different facial expressions, the bigger smile and the small smile still have the same character about it to me.

It's actually a good example that illustrates my point I think, plastic surgery can do a lot but even with the most extreme examples it fails to hide what I call the 'core values' of the face.

The structural elements of the face and skull are set and bascially can't be changed past adolesence. They are the limits that any surgeon has to work around when altering a persons 'look' through surgery.

I'll be back with further comparisons.

[driscol]

Originally Posted by bobthegoon

I doubt it. You may think so, but people's feature don't just change. People might put on shed-loads of weight, lose their hair/go grey have dental work done, age 20 years, etc but all the core values of their face will be exact. I don't know anyone who hasn't always looked the samem disregarding such superficial criteria. 99.999999999% of people in the public eye always look the same, bar a small number of replacements, whether between the ages of 20 amd 60.

The top link is to the woman who is probably the single most famous example (after Michael Jackson I guess) of botched/terrible plastic surgery.

I did a google and found her name, Jocelyn Wildenstein.

The before and after pictures are instructive:



The picure on the left is from 1998 (probably already had work done by the looks of it), the one on the right is much more recent. Plenty of work done, chin implants, lip and cheek fillers, possible/probable facelift(s) - she's about as extreme example as you're going to get, but to me you can still tell it's the woman on the left. Edit: The major changes are the massive chin implant and the lip filler, apart from that she actually looks pretty close to me. 2nd EDIT: The nose looks practially identical, also, though hard to tell from just the two images.

Based on the criteria I listed on my earlier post everything is, as I would expect, the same. The distance between the eyes, the shape and size of the eyes, distance of eyes from bottom of nose, size and shape of the forehead, the shape and size of the brow, distance of bottom of nose to the top of the top lip is virtually identical despite the horrendous lip-filler job, length of nose bone, etc. Even on these two solitary photos with slightly different facial expressions, the bigger smile and the small smile still have the same character about it to me.

It's actually a good example that illustrates my point I think, plastic surgery can do a lot but even with the most extreme examples it fails to hide what I call the 'core values' of the face.

The structural elements of the face and skull are set and bascially can't be changed past adolesence. They are the limits that any surgeon has to work around when altering a persons 'look' through surgery.

I'll be back with further comparisons.

I don't doubt it. I know what I looked like before and I know what I look like now. My head is bigger, less round.

I can see what you are trying to say here but I don't understand how it pertains since I have yet to see a photo of somebody who has had their eyes change position or something of that nature.
Still, if we are going to assume they have the technology and mindset to replace people why not assume they have cosmetic surgery technology we know nothing about?

yes she looks pretty close to you, just like the pictures of al gore and lohan still look pretty close to me. Small changes, that's all I see being pointed out here. To me the one on the right actually appears to have a longer nose and the eyes look smaller and farther apart. It's just perspective. Her head also appears to be larger and rounder.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying I see no real evidence of replacements. They all still look like the same person to me.

[bobthegoon]

Originally Posted by driscol

I don't doubt it. I know what I looked like before and I know what I look like now. My head is bigger, less round.

I can see what you are trying to say here but I don't understand how it pertains since I have yet to see a photo of somebody who has had their eyes change position or something of that nature.Still, if we are going to assume they have the technology and mindset to replace people why not assume they have cosmetic surgery technology we know nothing about?

yes she looks pretty close to you, just like the pictures of al gore and lohan still look pretty close to me. Small changes, that's all I see being pointed out here. To me the one on the right actually appears to have a longer nose and the eyes look smaller and farther apart. It's just perspective. Her head also appears to be larger and rounder.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying I see no real evidence of replacements. They all still look like the same person to me.

Al Gore looks pretty close to me as well. Which Lohan are you talking about? If it's Lindsey then I admit I'm a bit suspicious though I don't think it's been proven that she's been replaced, maybe my suspicions are unfounded. If you're talking about her sister then I think she looks completely different.

As regards your head getting bigger and rounder, well, I don't know you. But what I do know that people's skulls don't change in size and shape past a certain age, so unless you're in you're mid-to-late teens where it could change a little due to puberty, you're skull is the same shape as it was before an always will be. You could technically say your head is a little 'bigger' I guess if you've put on several stone in weight and it shows in your face, but this is not the same thing as you skull changing. If you think your skull has changed then get to a doctor, sharpish.

Still, if we are going to assume they have the technology and mindset to replace people why not assume they have cosmetic surgery technology we know nothing about?

I've wondered this myself as well. I think for the most part no, though. If they did then they're not making a pretty good job of some of the replacements regardless.

I still think they recruit someone who looks similar, and refine their existing features as best as they can so they look more like the original. Noses can be altered to be more approximate to somebody else's certainly. Chins can be implanted, clefts can be added, moles can be created/simulated, ears can be pinned back, lips can be injected to become 'fuller' etc.

As to the bit in bold, here's a good starting point. This illustrates the difference in skull shape between McCartney 1 and McCartney 2:

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/fc1.html

A good resource for information/photo evidence on the McCartney issue:

http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi

[mountainwarrior]

what about ryan gosling

guy was in mickey mouse club now in movie where he smashes someones face into a mushy pulp, has a band called 'dead mans bones'

some programming is goin on there like the rest of the mickey mouse crew

[greydove]

Originally Posted by mountainwarrior

what about ryan gosling

guy was in mickey mouse club now in movie where he smashes someones face into a mushy pulp, has a band called 'dead mans bones'

some programming is goin on there like the rest of the mickey mouse crew

Weird....A thirty year old man celebrates his birthday at Disneyland, not with his girlfriend or male peers, but with a group of random unrelated kids....And the news reports on it....

What goes on?

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2010/11...at-disneyland/


"Ryan Gosling celebrates his 30th birthday by giving a group of young kids the VIP treatment at Disneyland on Sunday (November 14) in Anaheim, Calif.

The Blue Valentine actor even wore a pin that said “Happy Birthday Ryan!”"

[greydove]

Angelina Jolie's kids are getting "replaced" right before our eyes... Along with Suri Cruise.

Keep in mind that replacement is not always about doubles and clones(though I don't doubt that its possible).

Its also about eradicating a person's soul and consciousness so their core spiritual /psychological make-up does not play out as originally intended..

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/09...tefanis-house/





Take note of the maniacal, intoxicated look of the mothers, and the dazed unhappy looks on the kids faces.

I can't tell whether that's bruising on Shiloh's face or the remnants of face paint, but that is one of the most unhappy little girls I've seen coming from a playdate in a long time.

Note also (at the link) that Gwen Stefani's shirt reads: Too Much Too young

http://celebbabylaundry.com/2011/09/...s-crazy-world/



"In the October 3rd, 2011 issue of Life & Style their cover story is ‘Hollywood Kids: Too Much Too Soon’. The story features Suri Cruise daughter of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. The magazine claims to have the crazy details on how Suri is trapped in Tom and Katie’s crazy world. They go on to claim that Suri was pulled out of school to go to Fashion week and that they encourage her to wear dark lipstick and heels. This lipstick claim stems from pictures that were recently released of Suri at Chelsea market wearing red lipstick."

[mrholyrussian]

Originally Posted by greydove

snake toy...

[mrholyrussian]

Putin face this summer at lake Seleger during meetings with russian students

[whale]

Looks like we have 3 Putins

'Among these top spies were three Vladimir Putins. They all looked like Vladimir Putin and went by the names 'Valenti Putin', Alexia Putin' and Alexander Putin'. Vladimir Putin was 'Alexia Putin'. When I contacted the Russian Embassy via the Auckland Public Library on 7 May 2003 and asked them if Vladimir Putin had ever been in New Zealand, they replied "No, but we get asked that question a lot. The only time he had been in New Zealand was during the 1999 APEC conference" ... so here's the photo of Putin in Wellington in 1986.'-- p.213 How To Take Over the World. A Right Royal Con by Greg Hallett & Spymaster


Slit eyes

[cotarddelusion]

Originally Posted by greydove

Angelina Jolie's kids are getting "replaced" right before our eyes... Along with Suri Cruise.

Keep in mind that replacement is not always about doubles and clones(though I don't doubt that its possible).

Its also about eradicating a person's soul and consciousness so their core spiritual /psychological make-up does not play out as originally intended..

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/09...tefanis-house/





Take note of the maniacal, intoxicated look of the mothers, and the dazed unhappy looks on the kids faces.

I can't tell whether that's bruising on Shiloh's face or the remnants of face paint, but that is one of the most unhappy little girls I've seen coming from a playdate in a long time.

Note also (at the link) that Gwen Stefani's shirt reads: Too Much Too young

http://celebbabylaundry.com/2011/09/...s-crazy-world/



"In the October 3rd, 2011 issue of Life & Style their cover story is ‘Hollywood Kids: Too Much Too Soon’. The story features Suri Cruise daughter of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. The magazine claims to have the crazy details on how Suri is trapped in Tom and Katie’s crazy world. They go on to claim that Suri was pulled out of school to go to Fashion week and that they encourage her to wear dark lipstick and heels. This lipstick claim stems from pictures that were recently released of Suri at Chelsea market wearing red lipstick."

My immediate thought about the paint on shiloh's face was that its a bruise... very very disturbing, and they all look traumatized.

This is the pic of suri in lipstick...



The poor child looks quite miserable.

[hobo]

Originally Posted by cotarddelusion

My immediate thought about the paint on shiloh's face was that its a bruise... very very disturbing, and they all look traumatized.

This is the pic of suri in lipstick...



The poor child looks quite miserable.

So does her mother.Loveless and joyless. A depressing sight.
This little girl looks like she needs to be rescued asap.

[cotarddelusion]

Too long to check, but I wanted to share this blog entry from psuedo-occult media...

Its old, but very fascinating too me as I have never thought to compare the deaths of both alexander mcqueen and isabella blow (the lady whom discovered him)

Its first worth looking at some of mcqueens shows... shows I loved very much I must say, but looking at them now is quite remarkable now im learning about occult symbolism...

Alexander McQueen - Autumn/Winter 2001 & Spring/Summer 2002 - YouTube

Alexander McQueen - Autumn/Winter 2001 & Spring/Summer 2002 - YouTube

This is what was written on the blog about this clip:

"Here is another intriguing show to finish which I had not posted from one of his Autumn/Winter 2001 show (carousel horses, venetian mask makeup) and after it in the same video, a short clip of a show the following year (model as the Spanish bull fighting impaled sacrificial bull)."

The show is full-on illuminati sacrifice / models like MK clowns prancing around a carrousel / child snatcher voice clip / rosemarys baby theme music... to me the models represent MK victims, lured into the illuminati underworld, total programmed and broken mentally to become slaves... and of corse the bull sacrifice kind of represents what happens to MK victims doesn't it...

Then there was this show:

Alexander McQueen 2001.mp4 - YouTube

Alexander McQueen 2001.mp4 - YouTube

Notice the women at the beginning, the glass falls to reveal a naked women in a gas mask, and out flies a bunch of butterflies, and im sure we all know about butterfly symbolism now... then we see kate moss walk up to a mirror (mirror personality split symbolism).

Alexander was also famous for using twins in his catwalk shows... you could literally go on about mcqueen all night in regards to illuminati symbolism, hes used so much reptilian, occult and mind control references in his work its ridiculous... also the links with lady gaga to whom lots of people who work with her have died... more then just a coincidence.

http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com...r-mcqueen.html

Check out that blog anyways if you havn't already.

The link between mcqueen and isabella is staggering, both "commited suicide" and in my oppinion, both were mind control slaves and were used too channel the illuminati/occult presence in the world and too the masses without us being awake... thats what I think anyways and looking into both these characters will unlock clues for sure...

[cotarddelusion]

A before and After picture of Julia Volkova from the (lesbian) band Tatu

Awful plastic surgery for sure... who is that on the right

[cotarddelusion]

I would also like to comment on the appearance of Daryl Hannah... she looks really bad these days

Young:

[cotarddelusion]

Now

[cotarddelusion]

Toni Braxton

[cotarddelusion]

Pamela Anderson says: Huzzah for mindcontrol!!...