Whats is the Masonic "Secret"?

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by quysant

It is the same secret as that of the Greek Mystery Schools but it came to Europe via Arabs mystics who were in Spain.

Also
The Greeks and the Shephard Kings (the Haribu where the term Hebrew originates joined forces but came from different lands)may have took over Egypt for a time and became the ruling Elite, when they got thrown out by an Egyptian uprising they brought the Babylonian Talmud out with them, this was the start of Judaism. Which of course is a totally different story than the official Biblical one.

[eternal_spirit]

Tubal Cain.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by quysant

When The Templars spoke of the "Temple" they were not thinking of the temple of Solomon but of the Dome of the Rock.

The Jewish King Solomon and his Temple are just a fable, they never existed.

Bet you're a Muslim.
Peter stood on the rock,(Bible allegory) doubt it means the Dome on the rock in the Bible but maybe it could - so it's all relevant to Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Solomon and the Temple is also allegory. But there's been many Temples where Priesthoods practiced these same religions in the past.

Solomon's Temple by some accounts if it existed was built in honor of Yahweh, the angy Old Testament God who demanded animal sacrafices and that the Israelites/Jews kill and destroy the gentiles and their deities and places of worship.

So seems like in the past there may have been one ancient religion that spanned the Earth and was presereved and passed on through and in other newer religions.

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by darketernal

A good point, and one seemingly lost on many. The Freemasons and anyone with a background in the mysteries know and understand that the story of Solomon is a fable.

I guess all the ancient historians who noted its existence, and the Babylonians (who destroyed the first temple) and Romans (who destroyed the second temple) just made it all up?

The masonic legends about King Solomon are myth, but there was indeed a King Solomon and there was indeed a temple.

[goldenratio]

Every major religion or theology seems to think theirs is the only real truth but its the "real truth" Im interested in, if indeed it exists, not spoiled by agendas, dogma or prejudice. Maybe theres elements of truth in everything


some great replies
thanks

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22858

Tubal Cain, the Secret Password of a Mason

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22858

Tubal Cain, the Secret Password of a Mason

REALLY? I urge you to walk into a lodge and use it, see what happens.

A classical sign of anti-mason: reading exposed and outdated ritual looking for "secret" words or signs or whatever else they think is secret, when they never were secret to begin with.

The only secret of freemasonry is the experience of initiation. Everything else - not a secret.

[pinkfreud]

lightindarkness, has it ever struck you that you have put down whatever references people have put forth with regards to freemasonry's roots, or other such material- consistently?

there may be a few questionable sources, but there is a good apple amongst all the rotten ones after all. just rubbishing everyone's claims on here does nothing to make people believe you further. look at it from a balanced viewpoint, is all i'm saying.

just my 2 cents.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

REALLY? I urge you to walk into a lodge and use it, see what happens.

A classical sign of anti-mason: reading exposed and outdated ritual looking for "secret" words or signs or whatever else they think is secret, when they never were secret to begin with.

The only secret of freemasonry is the experience of initiation. Everything else - not a secret.

Even so many people have never heard of Tubal Cain, there's some good debates and info amongst that thread. You know how the story of the Biblical Cain goes - Cain was the bad seed, so where his offspring according to some sources.

Allegory

Jackie: I remember that you had mentioned too that the story of Moses birth and being put into the brushes, hidden et cetera was an exact take off of the story of Sargon the Elder of was it Babylon?



Alan: That's right. He had the same story behind him and of course, again, it's a play on words because Cone or Cohen was priest in the Old Testament. That's where King comes from eventually through different dialects, but Cohen was priest and Cain was priest and so when they talk about bulrushes and the canes it's all symbology of a priesthood. It's an esoteric story combined within it.

Alan: The esoteric part of the coming out of Egypt is to do with an entire Washington, D.C.-size bureaucracy, the priests who had their brand new city of Amarna destroyed, and they were forced out basically. They were an Egyptian priesthood and of course they were following Akhenaten, basically. That was the real esoteric story behind it, that all God is one, you see. They called themselves slaves to the god or servants. They were public servants. That's where the term comes from and so that's what all the high Masons know of the truth of the coming out of Egypt and what it's all about. It's their system that was to take over the world coming out of one country and moving elsewhere.

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...Dec082004.html

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by pinkfreud

lightindarkness, has it ever struck you that you have put down whatever references people have put forth with regards to freemasonry's roots, or other such material- consistently?

there may be a few questionable sources, but there is a good apple amongst all the rotten ones after all. just rubbishing everyone's claims on here does nothing to make people believe you further. look at it from a balanced viewpoint, is all i'm saying.

just my 2 cents.

Frankly I'm not here to get forum posters believe me And so far there are not just a few questionable sources - 99% of them are not even close to being credible. Conspiracy blogs and websites, as well as taking known hoaxes as truth, does not a reputable source make.

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

Allegory

Jackie: I remember that you had mentioned too that the story of Moses birth and being put into the brushes, hidden et cetera was an exact take off of the story of Sargon the Elder of was it Babylon?



Alan: That's right. He had the same story behind him and of course, again, it's a play on words because Cone or Cohen was priest in the Old Testament. That's where King comes from eventually through different dialects, but Cohen was priest and Cain was priest and so when they talk about bulrushes and the canes it's all symbology of a priesthood. It's an esoteric story combined within it.

Alan: The esoteric part of the coming out of Egypt is to do with an entire Washington, D.C.-size bureaucracy, the priests who had their brand new city of Amarna destroyed, and they were forced out basically. They were an Egyptian priesthood and of course they were following Akhenaten, basically. That was the real esoteric story behind it, that all God is one, you see. They called themselves slaves to the god or servants. They were public servants. That's where the term comes from and so that's what all the high Masons know of the truth of the coming out of Egypt and what it's all about. It's their system that was to take over the world coming out of one country and moving elsewhere.

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...Dec082004.html

The outcry among the priesthood of Egypt at Akhenaten's attempted monotheism was far, far more complex. The priesthood of Egypt held a unique place in the culture and really cannot realistically be compared to the bureaucracy - Egypt of course had its own government bureaucracy, but it wasn't in the priesthood.

And of course as a mason I know that there is no "global" system to take over the world.

[pinkfreud]

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

Frankly I'm not here to get forum posters believe me

well you seem to be trying mighty hard.

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

And so far there are not just a few questionable sources - 99% of them are not even close to being credible.

how would you know if they're credible? because you've been taught something else? that doesn't qualify for calling a source questionable or not. and if that's the case, debunkers and conspiracy researchers would also defend their viewpoint by insisting their sources are indeed, genuine and credible.

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

Conspiracy blogs and websites, as well as taking known hoaxes as truth, does not a reputable source make.

then what is a reputable source? mainstream media?

if so, what are you doing here on a conspiracy forum?


just to elaborate: i'm not trying to make this personal, genuinely asking.

[cubensisjesus]

Please please check out my thread! I think we're on to something BIG

[pinkfreud]

Originally Posted by cubensisjesus

Please please check out my thread! I think we're on to something BIG

link please

[cubensisjesus]

Sorry!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45983

[quysant]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

Bet you're a Muslim.
Peter stood on the rock,(Bible allegory) doubt it means the Dome on the rock in the Bible but maybe it could - so it's all relevant to Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Solomon and the Temple is also allegory. But there's been many Temples where Priesthoods practiced these same religions in the past.

Solomon's Temple by some accounts if it existed was built in honor of Yahweh, the angy Old Testament God who demanded animal sacrafices and that the Israelites/Jews kill and destroy the gentiles and their deities and places of worship.

So seems like in the past there may have been one ancient religion that spanned the Earth and was presereved and passed on through and in other newer religions.

Hello, eternal_spirit

No, I am not a Muslim but you are very close, my family moved to mainland Europe from the Lebanon when the first big problems began.

You touch on some very interesting points and I would love to stop and chat for longer; unfortunately my "internet" time is limited to a couple of hours a day; but to stay on topic...

Tubal Cain is a red herring (Aringarosa as Dan Brown would say), there are more secret passwords in Masonic lore than you can shake a stick at. Most of them are dead ends.

Stewart Edwards's earlier posts enshrines the original noble intentions of Masonry.

The Masonic London Temple is the same octagonal shape as the Dome of the Rock, the one the Templars copied and refer to.
Also it would be interesting to find out why the Most Rev. Dr. Rowan Douglas Williams on February 27, 2003 when sworn in as the 104th Archbishop of Canterbury had, representing his office, a 16-pointed Masonic Eucharist star as one of his two occult emblems.

[quysant]

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

I guess all the ancient historians who noted its existence, and the Babylonians (who destroyed the first temple) and Romans (who destroyed the second temple) just made it all up?

The masonic legends about King Solomon are myth, but there was indeed a King Solomon and there was indeed a temple.

Yes, it is all made up.

Biblical Solomon and his Temple did not exist.

"The archaeological evidence in Jerusalem for the famous building projects of Solomon is non-existent. 19th and early 20th century excavations around the Temple Mount in Jerusalem failed to identify even a trace of Solomon's fabled Temple or palace complex." (The Bible unearthed, Finkelstein, Silberman, p128)

Israeli archaeologists have been desperately excavating the site for many decades yet not one iota of evidence of the existence of King Solomon has been found. No mention of his name has been found on any tablet, inscription, tax record or pot decoration.

Jeroboam II (788 - 747 BC), an Assyrian client king of Israel, rebuilt Megiddo, Gezer and Hazor and presided over the last period of Israel's prosperity. His reign helped to colour the legend of 'Solomon', written in the 7th century.

From the stele of a Royal Assyrian Shamshi-Adad V (824-811 BC):

"I ascended the Lebanon Mountains and cut down the mighty beams of cedar.
At that time I carried those cedars from Lebanon and at the gate of the temple
of Shulmânu, my lord, I laid them down.
The old temple which Shalmaneser, my father, had built, had become decrepit, and I, in my skill, rebuilt that temple from its foundations to its pinnacles.
The beams of cedar from Lebanon I laid on it.
When this temple becomes old and decrepit, may a future prince renew its decrepit parts and return the inscription to its place."

Shalmaneser III (859-824 BC) was named for the god Shulmânu-Asharêd ("shulmânu is foremost").

Shalmânu is the Assyrian equivalent of Suleiman and thus Solomon.

[jos08]

okay, so if king Solomon's story is just an allegory then all prophets and their stories are !!, according to you guys; because in Christianity, Islam and the Jewish religions exists many prophets and messengers from god including Solomon. anyone cares to clarify how if Solomon never existed then Jesus and others didn't either ?


P.S. I'm not a Freemason so I wouldn't know if you guys are writing with hidden codes .

[lottie]

The Arrivals pt.35 (The Temple of Solomon) - YouTube

The Arrivals pt.35 (The Temple of Solomon) - YouTube

Why they are digging under Al-Aqsa [Pt 1/4] - YouTube

Why they are digging under Al-Aqsa [Pt 1/4] - YouTube

The Holy Quran teaches that prophet Solomon was given a unique prophecy, a unique rulership- one that included 2 dfferent races from 2 different dimensions!

[stewart edwards]

Originally Posted by quysant

Stewart Edwards's earlier posts enshrines the original noble intentions of Masonry.

Intentions which are returning as the old crystals continue to recharge and as more find the inner courage to deal with darkness. It is happening in pockets here and there, but it will take a little bit longer for the darkness to be swept away and rebalanced. It really is a facinating time to watch the Masonic world as it begins to feel the light once again, as opposed to merely talk about it. Apologies to those who have guarded the light well. The last deacade of my life has been a blueprint of the ills of the Masonic world, and as I have been able to walk myself out of the darkness I am confident that the Masonic world can as well. Tis just a pity that some parts of the Masonic world have so much difficulty in listening to a rejected candidate, who not only has lived the problems of the masonic world has resolved them in his own life.

Perhaps I should ask the Duke of Kent to propose me as his successor in a couple of years? I wonder how many nervous breakdowns and heart attacks there would be amongst the men in grey? Oh I forgot I would need some Royal blood. Never mind. Mind you that would not be beyond the realm of possibility. However unlikley.

Moving on to Armana. Eternal spirit, I do know that when I once looked into the eyes of one specific Armana period mummy from Thebes, I sensed that it was not very pleased to see me. Most mummies have no effect on me (except that they should in my opinion be left in their graves) but this one did reach out and grab me. Figuratively speaking. I think that it wanted to throttle me. Understandable really, for I can sometimes see half the Masons today wanting to do a Homer Simpson on me.

(Stewart is now imagining Mike and keystone's faces as they momentarily visualise me as their Grand Master, wearing a plain white apron Merry Christmas).