Globalism and Freemasonry

[banoyes]

While it seems the formation of Freemasonry will remain a mystery ,I.E who,when,where,what and why
One thing is clear
Freemasonry was built from the top down

Unless you are of a mind that would accept Freemasons being just a bunch of guys "making good men better"

The second obvious thing about Freemasonry is it's expanse-
it is truly world wide
I link this up with globalism which is part of the Freemason agenda

Think a minute
Did these fine fellows below ( a short list), just say one day
Hey I heard about these guys in this Freemason club,
I think I'll go join them, seem like a nice group of lads".
naw... that didn't happen

If you look at Freemasonry you will see all the high plotters on the planet
They spew the propaganda and convince the smaller that Freemasonry will help them become more like the Princes and Kings and rich who are already masons
"Just latch on" "We'll show you the way"

I can't honestly see how any normal man can look at the membership of Masonry and think it could be a place for him
Who ever it is that joins Masonry knowing this , must be in agreement with the Freemason Agenda
and that is not "making good men better
===========================
"In fact, HRH Prince Albert Edward, Prince of Wales, did become a freemason and eventually was elected to serve as Grand Master (1874-1901). Two other sons, HRH Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught, and HRH Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany, also became freemasons and the former served as Grand Master for 38 years (1901 to 1939) after his elder brother assumed the throne.

1882 HM Queen Victoria became Chief Patroness of the Masonic Girls School.
http://www.lodgeroomuk.com/forum/index.php

A fine photograph of H.M. King George VI in Masonic regalia, donated by Lodge Mercury No. 706, dated May 1938.
http://www.droit-humain.org/uk/html/king.html

General Lafayette and General Washington shared not only a close friendship but membership in the Craft, a commonly used name for Freemasonry
. On two occasions General Lafayette presented Masonic aprons to Washington (see Figure 4). One of these aprons, embroidered in colored silks by Madame Lafayette, bore the emblems of the Holy Royal Arch degree.
The fact that this apron was especially made for Georgc Washington has led to much speculation that he was raised to that degree.
This may be of considerable importance, for the "Royal Arch degree is the salient, spiritual degree of Freemasonry, not excepting the degree of Master Mason" (Steinmetz, 1946, 67).

While he was commander in chief of the American armies during the Revolutionary War, Washington frequently attended the meetings of military lodges.
He presided over Masonic ceremonies initiating his officers and frequently attended the Communications of the Brethren (lodge meetings). Washington was nominated for Grand Mastership of the Independent Grand Lodge, an office he declined.
In 1805, this lodge was renamed Alexandria Washington in his honor. To Masonic authorities, the evidence is clear that Washington was the master of a lodge.
Testimony given by Timothy Bigelow in a eulogy before the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts two months after Washington's death indicates that Washington's Masonic experience was more than perfunctory.

"King George’s father was a Freemason. Frederick Lewis, Prince of Wales (1707-1751), was heir to the throne of his father King George II. Frederick Lewis was of paramount importance because he was the first Royal Freemason.

Three of King George's brothers followed their father Frederick Lewis into Freemasonry, including Henry, Duke of Cumberland (1745-1790) who in 1782
became Grand Master of the Premier Grand Lodge of England.

George III fathered six sons who lived to maturity, and they all became Freemasons:
1. George Augustus Frederick, Prince of Wales 1762-1830, King George IV, Grand Master
Frederick and the Prince of Wales were firm friends, often drinking and womanizing together, and the Duke of York became a Mason in the same year as his older brother. He was initiated in Britannic Lodge (now No. 33) and was made a Past Grand Master of the Premier Grand Lodge

Lenin and Trotsky were high-ranking freemasons
Yasser Arafat - 33° Freemason
Ronald Reagan - 33° Freemason (on sight), Knights of Malta, Rosicrucian Order
Michail Gorbatjov - 33° Freemason

Pope Pius IX

Pope John XXIII

Karl Marx - (Grand Orient Lodge)

Frederick Engels - (Grand Orient Lodge)

Franklin D. Roosevelt - (32 or 33° Freemason)

Sir Winston Churchill - 33° Freemason (but Resigned from the English Lodge!) Member of the Druid Order

King Hussein - 33° Freemason

Harry S. Truman - 33° Freemason

Jesse Jackson,

Henry Kissinger,

The list goes on and on...

Salvador Allende - Freemason

Secretary Général of the French Communist Party- Freemason

King of Prussia Frederick II- Freemason

Augusto Pinochet -Freemason

Jose Marti -Freemason

South African president, Knight of the Order of St John and of the Order of St Michael and St George, Thabo Mbeki --Order of Jose Marti

Emir of Qatar Sheikh Hamad Bin Khalifa Al-Thani -Order of Jose Marti

When was the Grand Lodge of India formed?
A). November 24, 1961 in New Delhi.

Q). Name the parent Grand Lodges of Grand Lodge of India.

A). The Grand Lodges of England, Ireland and Scotland.

Q). Who were the principal officers at the consecration of the GLI?

A). Dy. GM of Grand Lodge of England, RW Bro Earl of Cadogon, Grand Master of Grand Lodge of Scotland, MW Bro. Archibald, and Dy. GM of Grand Lodge of Ireland, RW Bro George S Gamble.

Q). Who was the founder Grand Master of GLI?

A). MW Bro. H H Major General Syed Raza Ali Khan, Nawab of Rampur.

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

If you don't realize the Freemasons have an Agenda for world wide domination
Maybe this will help

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by banoyes

While it seems the formation of Freemasonry will remain a mystery ,I.E who,when,where,what and why
One thing is clear
Freemasonry was built from the top down

Sadly for you, no. The formation of freemasonry is very clear. Freemasonry as we know of it today began in 1717, and traces of speculative freemasonry began in the 1400s. Further, much to your populist dismay, it was a bottom up order - it began with stone masons and speculative members were only invited later.

Originally Posted by banoyes

Unless you are of a mind that would accept Freemasons being just a bunch of guys "making good men better"

As all evidence, reason, and logic would suggest that is exactly what it is - or you could be of a conspiracy mind and make up a fanciful plot of world domination.

Originally Posted by banoyes

The second obvious thing about Freemasonry is it's expanse-
it is truly world wide
I link this up with globalism which is part of the Freemason agenda

Sadly for you, wrong again. Its quite impossible to pursue any global agenda in freemasonry because there is no higher administrative body than the grand lodge, and no grand lodge has any authority over any other. Each of the probably over 70-100+ grand lodges (depending on how you count them) has complete autonomy.

Originally Posted by banoyes

Think a minute
Did these fine fellows below ( a short list), just say one day
Hey I heard about these guys in this Freemason club,
I think I'll go join them, seem like a nice group of lads".
naw... that didn't happen

Actually yes, yes it did. Thats exactly how I joined. Freemasons do not invite.

Originally Posted by banoyes

If you look at Freemasonry you will see all the high plotters on the planet
They spew the propaganda and convince the smaller that Freemasonry will help them become more like the Princes and Kings and rich who are already masons
"Just latch on" "We'll show you the way"

Sadly again, no. There is no world leader alive who is a mason. Last mason who was a President was Ford. About 5 members of the US House and Senate are masons. Far more Catholics, college graduates, or any other voluntary affiliation groups are in power than masons.

Originally Posted by banoyes

I can't honestly see how any normal man can look at the membership of Masonry and think it could be a place for him
Who ever it is that joins Masonry knowing this , must be in agreement with the Freemason Agenda
and that is not "making good men better

That would be because you are choosing to believe that everyone in power is a mason when the reality is almost none are. Masonry is famous for advertising its members in power, and the lists you come up with have no one or almost no one in them that are masons.

Originally Posted by banoyes

Lenin and Trotsky were high-ranking freemasons
Yasser Arafat - 33° Freemason
Ronald Reagan - 33° Freemason (on sight), Knights of Malta, Rosicrucian Order
Michail Gorbatjov - 33° Freemason

Pope Pius IX

Pope John XXIII

Karl Marx - (Grand Orient Lodge)

Frederick Engels - (Grand Orient Lodge)

Franklin D. Roosevelt - (32 or 33° Freemason)

Sir Winston Churchill - 33° Freemason (but Resigned from the English Lodge!) Member of the Druid Order

King Hussein - 33° Freemason

Harry S. Truman - 33° Freemason

Jesse Jackson,

Henry Kissinger,

The list goes on and on...

Salvador Allende - Freemason

Secretary Général of the French Communist Party- Freemason

King of Prussia Frederick II- Freemason

Augusto Pinochet -Freemason

Jose Marti -Freemason

South African president, Knight of the Order of St John and of the Order of St Michael and St George, Thabo Mbeki --Order of Jose Marti

Emir of Qatar Sheikh Hamad Bin Khalifa Al-Thani -Order of Jose Marti

Of that list, the only ones that were ACTUALLY masons were:
FDR, Churchill (not a 33rd degree mason), Truman, Jesse Jackson, Salvador Allende, Frederick II, Jose Marti. Not sure about the Emir, but I'd say about a 99% chance of no.

Please educate yourself.

[the guy in pink]

Globalization is the tendency of businesses, technologies, or philosophies to spread throughout the world, or the process of making this happen.

It is the natural result of technological improvements in transport and communications, not some vast conspiracy.

In my own life the improvements have enabled me for the last 3 years to have my home in a different hemisphere and on a different continent from my place of work.
I have been able to maintain constant, instant and cheap communication with my wife and family.
15 years ago would not have been possible and I would have not accepted such work.

Quite how this natural tendency can be part of anyones "Agenda" it do not know.

[ban freekmasons]

Another excellent post Banoyes. It's much easier to just avoid what the masonic cowards behind the curtains have to say. Its almost as if the government give free computers away to the masons. Rule number one "only to be used behind thick curtains" Heh Heh

Five stars from ACP. Keep up the great work.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by ban freekmasons

Another excellent post Banoyes. It's much easier to just avoid what the masonic cowards behind the curtains have to say. Its almost as if the government give free computers away to the masons. Rule number one "only to be used behind thick curtains" Heh Heh

Five stars from ACP. Keep up the great work.

Brian Rix would be so proud of you Joe. You really should be on the stage.









The next one leaves in 10 minutes. Rush about!

[banoyes]

Originally Posted by ban freekmasons

Another excellent post Banoyes. It's much easier to just avoid what the masonic cowards behind the curtains have to say. Its almost as if the government give free computers away to the masons. Rule number one "only to be used behind thick curtains" Heh Heh

Five stars from ACP. Keep up the great work.

It should be a law that all and any groups you belong to be known , if seeking ANY position funded by the public.

I think if the list was public, there would be much reveled
and why Blodski did Cummings that favor
Keep up the good work joe

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by banoyes

It should be a law that all and any groups you belong to be known , if seeking ANY position funded by the public.

I think if the list was public, there would be much reveled
and why Blodski did Cummings that favor
Keep up the good work joe

Absolutely. You go first. Please list ALL organizations you are a member of, when you meet with those organizations. If you are a student that includes your class schedule, if you work that includes your work hours and work contact information.

Oh, and don't try that "but I'm so trendy and fashionable I like to act like I never have to belong" stuff - ANYTIME you interact WITH ANYONE on a semi-regular basis, that's a group you belong to.

[eastbeast]

Originally Posted by banoyes

It should be a law that all and any groups you belong to be known, if seeking ANY position funded by the public.

I'm sure this was suggested a fair while ago, as in local Councils and so on?
I can't remember what happened, I suppose it has faded into obscurity.

Someone will no doubt correct me if wrong, but I think one has to declare membership of Fraternal Organisations in the UK if applying to be a Magistrate?

The only time one needs to declare anything is when there is a conflict of interest.

[banoyes]

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

Sadly for you, no. The formation of freemasonry is very clear. Freemasonry as we know of it today began in 1717, and traces of speculative freemasonry began in the 1400s. Further, much to your populist dismay, it was a bottom up order - it began with stone masons and speculative members were only invited later.

GrandSecretary Peter pins it in 962

Sadly again, no. There is no world leader alive who is a mason. Last mason who was a President was Ford. About 5 members of the US House and Senate are masons. Far more Catholics, college graduates, or any other voluntary affiliation groups are in power than masons.

BUSh is alive

That would be because you are choosing to believe that everyone in power is a mason when the reality is almost none are. Masonry is famous for advertising its members in power, and the lists you come up with have no one or almost no one in them that are masons.

A site names 10,000 famous Freemasons

Of that list, the only ones that were ACTUALLY masons were:
FDR, Churchill (not a 33rd degree mason), Truman, Jesse Jackson, Salvador Allende, Frederick II, Jose Marti. Not sure about the Emir, but I'd say about a 99% chance of no.

Completely goes against Freemason sites
Truman is a well know Freemason and this guy says he isn't
(same with the others)

Please educate yourself.

Search for your head...it's there someplace

[barney_rubble]

Originally Posted by banoyes

GrandSecretary Peter pins it in 962

BUSh is alive

A site names 10,000 famous Freemasons

Completely goes against Freemason sites
Truman is a well know Freemason and this guy says he isn't
(same with the others)

Search for your head...it's there someplace

Read and understand the man's post before you dis it.

Lightindarkness said Truman was a Freemason and then you blast him for saying the Truman was not a Freemason.

You are showing your inability to read or to comprehend what you have just read.

BTW Bush is not a Freemason

Here are the US Presidents who were Freemasons:
George Washington
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
James Knox Polk
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
James Abram Garfield
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Warren Gamaliel Harding
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Gerald R. Ford
Lyndon Baines Johnson

[banoyes]

Originally Posted by barney_rubble

Read and understand the man's post before you dis it.

Lightindarkness said Truman was a Freemason and then you blast him for saying the Truman was not a Freemason.

You are showing your inability to read or to comprehend what you have just read.

BTW Bush is not a Freemason

Bush is a Freemason ( Skull and Bones)
(active Masons are only ones who say, no connection)

Of that list, the only ones that were ACTUALLY masons were:
FDR, Churchill (not a 33rd degree mason), Truman, Jesse Jackson, Salvador Allende, Frederick II, Jose Marti. Not sure about the Emir, but I'd say about a 99% chance of no.

Only a Freemason would say this conveyed your claim

Here are the US Presidents who were Freemasons:
George Washington
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
James Knox Polk

Nope these are ones you acknowledge
list is incomplete
and even so ....thats a whole lot


Hey how about a list of Governors
Want to see a list of those coincidences
Or Vice Pres
OR
Supreme Court Justices
or local Justices
or Representtives
State, Federal and local

All a coincidence

[slartibartfast]

Originally Posted by banoyes

Bush is a Freemason ( Skull and Bones)
(active Masons are only ones who say, no connection)

So what you are saying is:-

Banoyes: "Joe Bloggs is a member of your club!"
Club Member: "No he isn't"

So you know more about freemasonry members than freemasons?

Unless of course you are claiming that every organisation that has an initiatory aspect is freemasonry.

[banoyes]

Originally Posted by slartibartfast

So what you are saying is:-

Banoyes: "Joe Bloggs is a member of your club!"
Club Member: "No he isn't"

So you know more about freemasonry members than freemasons?

Unless of course you are claiming that every organisation that has an initiatory aspect is freemasonry.

"initiatory aspect","initiatory aspect", ??!!
I never heard those two words put together like that.
Kinda confusing
I guess it means... "The inception stems from the same source"
yah thats right "every organisation that has an initiatory aspect is freemasonry"
You fail to see how it is all connected and how the "invisible fraternity"
controls the "initiatory aspect"
The "Roatary Club" and Freemasons are both Freemason organizations
same as a myriad of others

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by banoyes

GrandSecretary Peter pins it in 962


BUSh is alive



A site names 10,000 famous Freemasons


Completely goes against Freemason sites
Truman is a well know Freemason and this guy says he isn't
(same with the others)

Search for your head...it's there someplace

You are so eager to get into a fight that, as barney points out, I said Truman WAS a mason. And as he also points outs, Bush is NOT a mason. Skull and bones is a college co-ed fraternity. Why on earth you'd even bother trying to link it to freemasonry makes me wonder whether you do anything but just believe everything you read. And other than the people I mentioned, no one on your list was a mason. Don't believe everything you read - do some actual research please (and that means not taking everything on a conspiracy blog as fact).

Yet again, here are the facts: No world leader alive is a mason. Out of the 535 members of the US House and Senate, about 5 are masons - as we just had an election that may go up by 2 or 3 or down 2 or 3, I haven't checked. Far more men and Harvard graduates in the US House and Senate than masons - where is all your outrage and hysteria about them?

[barney_rubble]

Sorry, banoyes I will not be baited.

If you will not believe verifiable facts then I can not help you.

[banoyes]

Originally Posted by lightindarkness

You are so eager to get into a fight that, as barney points out, I said Truman WAS a mason. And as he also points outs, Bush is NOT a mason. Skull and bones is a college co-ed fraternity. Why on earth you'd even bother trying to link it to freemasonry makes me wonder whether you do anything but just believe everything you read. And other than the people I mentioned, no one on your list was a mason. Don't believe everything you read - do some actual research please (and that means not taking everything on a conspiracy blog as fact).

Yet again, here are the facts: No world leader alive is a mason. Out of the 535 members of the US House and Senate, about 5 are masons - as we just had an election that may go up by 2 or 3 or down 2 or 3, I haven't checked. Far more men and Harvard graduates in the US House and Senate than masons - where is all your outrage and hysteria about them?

LOL
"Skull and bones is a college co-ed fraternity"
That's all-nothing to do with masons.. o dear
Thanks for the tip on doing research, have you ever tried it??

""The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always concealed by another name, and another occupation. None is fitter than the lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it.
Next to this, the form of a learned or literary society is best suited to our purpose, and had Freemasonry not existed, this cover would have been employed; and it may be much more than a cover, it may be a powerful engine in our hands... A Literary Society is the most proper form for the introduction of our Order into any state where we are yet strangers."

(as quoted in John Robinson's "Proofs of a Conspiracy" 1798, re- printed by Western Islands, Boston, 1967, p. 112)

[lightindarkness]

Originally Posted by banoyes

LOL
"Skull and bones is a college co-ed fraternity"
That's all-nothing to do with masons.. o dear
Thanks for the tip on doing research, have you ever tried it??

There can be no more evidence that you are a troll baiting people than stuff like this. I am only going to respond to educate those who may fall for your games and not realize you are trolling:

Skull and bones is a college fraternity, co-ed because it now admits men and women, that admits ONLY Yale undergraduate students. Freemasonry is a global fraternity available to all men above the ages of 21 (18 in some jurisdictions) which admits men only in regular freemasonry and men and women in other types. There is no relationship, communication, meeting, or anything else between college fraternities - like Skull and Bones - and freemasonry.

Just the facts. Stop spreading disinformation. Random out of context quotes from masons mean nothing because no mason speaks for freemasonry. But I'll play your game:
"There are no secret high level orders in Freemasonry, and never have been." - Dr. S. Brent Morris, 33rd Degree

I'll also point out the obvious: Skull and Bones was founded in 1832, your quote is from the 1700s. Yet another huge glaring failure by you.