FM Hall linked to police station by tunnel!!!

[cheshirecat]

Keystone

do what you want its a free world.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by lookfar

I'm not saying that you're not entitled to your opinion also keystone. I could see this thread heading in the direction of a rant and was attempting to put a stop to this before that happened.

Ok. I had originally thought that there was little point hence post #3. That's the problem these things do descend into rants if we are not careful witness banoyes thread yesterday which was clearly designed to produce just such confrontation and it succeeded. We are all the worse off for it having done so and yes I freely admit I took part.

It strikes me that there is a comfort zone here which can easily be described as the "I've made up my mind - don't confuse me with facts" mindset. Now this, you'll be surprised to hear me say, applies just as much to freemasons as anyone else. Differences never get resolved if there isn't discussion.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

FM's

I wanted to think you were romantic and a good brotherhood.

I went into a Masonic Regalia shop in Chester and asked Chris Mcdonald some questions about freemasonry.

http://www.cix.co.uk/~craftings/

He would not answer any questions and threw me out of his shop.

He would not let me take pictures of his stock either.

I know Chris Mcdonald is a Red Cross of Constantine mason now.

I wanted to knock the piggy eyed litlle bastard out look at his picture pure evil.

He was wrong to do that on the face of it but I suppose it depends on how you were questioning him. There are always two sides to a story. Is your lead post on this thread a direct result of the way he treated you in order to "get back at him"? Genuine question.

Ha - can't see a picture on the link so can't comment on his appearance. LOts of ugly buggers in this world anyway! Perhaps I'm just being incompetant in accessing his site.

Why would his being a member of RCC make a difference? I'm not. Does that make a difference?

Hey how about asking your questions here? I'll answer you as honestly as I can but I may just not know the answer to some. Never know unless we try huh?

[slartibartfast]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

I went into a Masonic Regalia shop in Chester and asked Chris Mcdonald some questions about freemasonry.

What were the questions and maybe we can help?

[keystone]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

Keystone

do what you want its a free world.

and you.

Peace.

[cheshirecat]

Originally Posted by keystone

He was wrong to do that on the face of it but I suppose it depends on how you were questioning him. There are always two sides to a story. Is your lead post on this thread a direct result of the way he treated you in order to "get back at him"? Genuine question.

Honestly I am a polite person, it seems like when I went in there he didnt expect me and it was like he was caught with his pants round his ankles.

I saw at least two hundred posters with royal arch of freemasonry on it loads of masonic regalia and dark witchcraft books

In 2008 we cannot permit secret societies to exist or even societies with secrets.

I appreciate you trying to help but before we continue you need to give me your real name and tell me which lodge your in and at what degree you are.

Have you been introduced to the hidden hand of Jah - Bu - Lon or do you still think God is called Mahabone?
Ha - can't see a picture on the link so can't comment on his appearance. LOts of ugly buggers in this world anyway! Perhaps I'm just being incompetant in accessing his site.

Why would his being a member of RCC make a difference? I'm not. Does that make a difference?

Hey how about asking your questions here? I'll answer you as honestly as I can but I may just not know the answer to some. Never know unless we try huh?

cheers

[cheshirecat]

In my opinion Keystone works at the Grand United Lodge and is employed to spend all day fire fighting on forums like this.

I think that Freemasons should be banned from these forums as they are part of the problem.

Sorry Keystone but thats my opinion.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

Honestly I am a polite person, it seems like when I went in there he didnt expect me and it was like he was caught with his pants round his ankles.

Would that account for him being ultra defensive on you then?

I saw at least two hundred posters with royal arch of freemasonry on it loads of masonic regalia

that I believe.

and dark witchcraft books

That I don't.

In 2008 we cannot permit secret societies to exist or even societies with secrets.

Ok thats an interesting observation. Who is "we" and why?

I appreciate you trying to help

OK that's a pleasure. If I can I will, if I can't I won't.

but before we continue you need to give me your real name.

What useful purpose would that serve? I do not need your personal information to answer your question.

and tell me which lodge your in and at what degree you are.

I am in Craft, Royal Arch and Mark Lodges in S London. Therefore it follows that I am a Master Mason, A Royal Arch Mason and a Mark Master Mason. I have occupied the chairs in all three.

Have you been introduced to the hidden hand of Jah - Bu - Lon

Yes when it was part of the RA Ritual. I do not understand what you mean by "the hidden hand".

or do you still think God is called Mahabone?

No and I never did.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

In my opinion Keystone works at the Grand United Lodge and is employed to spend all day fire fighting on forums like this.

Well you'd be wrong. I have never been employed by UGLE. I am actually a self employed painter and decorator. Surprisingly enough work is a bit slim just at the moment so I have a bit of time on my hands. Your suggestion (which is nothing more than idle speculation without evidence after all) is ample justification for my reticence in giving you my name.

I think that Freemasons should be banned from these forums as they are part of the problem.

Well I am sorry to hear that because first you gave the impression of wanting a sensible discussion which I would freely take part in, second you are prejudging which is not good and third don't you think thats rather stalinesque? In fact your 180 degree turn is so fast I'm almost tempted to ask who put you up to it. But I won't.

Sorry Keystone but thats my opinion.

As am I.

[soulja]

interesting post OP, thanx..

i'm pretty sure that's not the only town where tunnels connect the major administrative buildings with masonic temples and what heavier.

i think if that whole secret underground tunnels and facilities network would be known to full extend it would blow peoples mind as to how massive and widespread it is.

[mike martin]

Originally Posted by lookfar

Please don't insult members that bring up these issues as everyone is entitled to their own opinions and don't deserve to be insulted for them.

I take it this is aimed at cheshire cat who entitled his post "FM Troll fuck off "?

Mike

[cheshirecat]

Hi mike I wondered when you were going to enlighten us with your brotherly love!

[cheshirecat]

Hi I'm sorry to be insulting Freemasons.

It feels so right how can it be wrong?

Uncovering the Hidden Hand



In the early degrees, the Mason is told that the name of God has been lost. He's even told that he should use a substitute name for God, MAHABONE. But later, after he's swallowed whole the rotten fabric of degree ritual after degree ritual, the bamboozled and propagandized fellow is finally told that the one he is to worship goes by the name Jahbuhlun and that he is now ready to declare himself, a man, as the great I AM.

Obviously, the Illuminati's Masonic elite do not want the general public to know these terrible things. After all, incredibly, Freemasonry's public image is that it is some kind of "Christian" group. So, the pretense must be maintained and the secrets buttoned up from the "profane and vulgar" masses (you and me, dear reader).

Therefore, the name of the horrible God whom the Masons worship must stay hidden.

The name and identity of the hidden God must be concealed at all costs, and thus an appropriate hand sign has been devised to represent this grotesque coverup: the Sign of the Hidden Hand.

[lookfar]

Originally Posted by mike martin

I take it this is aimed at cheshire cat who entitled his post "FM Troll fuck off "?

Mike

My comment was aimed at everyone posting in here - there are no exceptions.

Can we please keep this civil guys - there's really no need for all this baiting & insulting. If you can't reply without doing this, then please consider whether you even need to reply at all - sometimes ignoring the baiting can have just as much of an effect, if not moreso

[eppyone]

FWIW, there are a ton of tunnels around the river area of Ft. Smith, Arkansas, just up the road a bit from here. Dark, secretive Masons? Nope! Moonshiners delivering stump water during prohbition!

[cheshirecat]

Its so obvious that there is a tunnel

will post a photo tommorow

a huge car park with one really old building

and the police station is about 5 metres away its so OBVIOUS haha

Im not here to debate whether it is or not I know it is

[keystone]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

Hi I'm sorry to be insulting Freemasons.

Good

It feels so right how can it be wrong?

Why does it feel so right?

Uncovering the Hidden Hand

In the early degrees, the Mason is told that the name of God has been lost. He's even told that he should use a substitute name for God, MAHABONE. But later, after he's swallowed whole the rotten fabric of degree ritual after degree ritual, the bamboozled and propagandized fellow is finally told that the one he is to worship goes by the name Jahbuhlun and that he is now ready to declare himself, a man, as the great I AM.

Thank you for that. Could you tell me please where it comes from? I'd like to read it in context. No doubt you'll be unsurprised to learn that it's quite, quite wrong. The mason is not told that the name of God has been lost, the word Mahabone is not provided as a substitute name for God and there is no masonic God. The rituals have been available in the public domain for over 200 years and the words on the page are as clear as day. This is quite wrong! I'll point you at the right bits later 'cos they are freely available on the internet. And incidentally freemasonry is NOT a religion, it has no dogma, no promise of salvation etc. No doubt it is religious but it is not a religion.

Obviously, the Illuminati's Masonic elite do not want the general public to know these terrible things.

Obviously because they aren't true.

After all, incredibly, Freemasonry's public image is that it is some kind of "Christian" group. So, the pretense must be maintained and the secrets buttoned up from the "profane and vulgar" masses.

Actually the "blue degree" rituals by the majority of UK masons were de-Christianised by the Duke Of Sussex some considerable time ago. GS will tell you that his ritual is still Christian. The rituals used in Sweden are most overtly Christian and there are some appendant orders to mainstream UK masonry that require a stated trinitarian belief to be entered into.

(you and me, dear reader).

Nice of the author to be so patronising towards his readership isn't it?

Therefore, the name of the horrible God whom the Masons worship must stay hidden.

No that's not so. Masons do not worship a God.

The name and identity of the hidden God must be concealed at all costs, and thus an appropriate hand sign has been devised to represent this grotesque coverup: the Sign of the Hidden Hand.

I've never heard of the Sign Of The Hidden Hand frankly. I'd like to see the link please.

[keystone]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

Its so obvious that there is a tunnel

will post a photo tommorow

a huge car park with one really old building

and the police station is about 5 metres away its so OBVIOUS haha

Im not here to debate whether it is or not I know it is

I don't have a problem with that. Presumably you can see an entrance and that is what will be in your photograph. Have you been through it? Do you know anyone who has been through it? Would you like someone to go through it and report back unambiguously?

[cheshirecat]

the book is called codex magica it costs 16 quid and is massive.

its brilliant on this forum

you put a new post on and freemasons gang up on you to try and debunk you.


where is the support from the general public?

[keystone]

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

the book is called codex magica it costs 16 quid and is massive.

Oh I see Mr Texe Marrs. Haven't dipped into his stuff for ages. OK then I'll find the specific passage in context and come back to you but it will be later as I'm going out this evening.

its brilliant on this forum

you put a new post on and freemasons gang up on you to try and debunk you.

I'm not ganging up on anyone. I'm trying to have a sensible conversation with you albeit in rather public circumstances.

where is the support from the general public?

Is it your intention to turn this into another "burn-the-witch" scenario? If so then I'll just pack up my tent, move away from this thread and leave you to it.

Edit:

Oh and if you did spend 16 quid on it you wasted your money. There is (or certainly was) a totally free copy on scribd.com.