Upside Down Cross in Washington DC

thelucifer · 21-11-2008, 04:13 AM

In Washington DC there is a “grandly designed cross”, it is indeed grand, the grandest the world has ever seen,.
This grandly design cross is in the layout/design of DC, the capital city for the super power of the world, America.
It is an Upside Down Cross as you face east (sun worship, sun rises in the east of course).

Note the early maps (shown below) showed the left/south arm of the inverted cross in water (as though not there), as well the Lincoln Memorial (west) end of the cross.
They did this so as to not show the cross.

This first pic is shown east up.

Is that not obvious enough ?
Is that clever ?

Understanding the upside down cross when facing east is simple enough, but, this inverted cross has a horned stick figure atop it.
The head of this horned stick figure atop the inverted cross is where the Capital bldg sits on Capital Hill.
The Capital bldg represents “the power of this country in stone.”
The horned stick figure is made using the Compasses and Square, Masonic symbols.
Washington DC is via Freemasonry.

The story goes the ground was to soft etc to put the Washington Monument in the center where they wanted it.
Look at the map (at bottom of post) and note the line from the Capital bldg to the Lincoln Memorial is angled !
It’s a Pendulum, in swing, to its left (which is south on the map).
Note the Lincoln Memorial is off centered at the end of the cross.
The Washington Monument is exactly in line with the swing of the Pendulum and I submit it was always meant to be just that way.
Is the story/placement of the Washington Monument clever ?
Is the game not obvious enough ?

The game of 1. not showing the cross and 2. the game placing the Washington Monument in the swing of the Pendulum instead of the center point/cross hair of the cross.

Also note, the placement of the Washington Monument east of the center point/cross hair allows for a square placed on the angled line to point exactly at the House of the Temple, 13 blocks north of the White House.
As shown in the pic below (the square shown in red).

This pic is from a children’s book I have, showing the cross.

This pic is from the book Washington DC by Irene Smith, showing a “grandly designed cross”.

Many web sites show the horned stick figure but none shows the horned stick figure atop an Upside Down Cross.
That with Novus Ordo Seclurum and the All-seeing Eye on the Great Seal is so very serious.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20199

the guy in pink · 21-11-2008, 05:44 AM

Stand the other end, then it is the right way up.

slartibartfast · 21-11-2008, 07:51 AM

I like the second map...so when it was built, it wasn't a cross. Only when land was reclaimed did it become nearly a cross. Then people said, "Oh look, it a cross" from a Christian point of view. I despair at times....

eastbeast · 21-11-2008, 01:49 PM

Aren't most or all Cathedrals built like this?

I mean, with the long part facing the alter in the east, two 'arms' north and south, then a 'lobby' in the west?

I have no idea what that has to do with the price of fish, but anyone?

grandsecretary · 21-11-2008, 02:52 PM

"Nearly a cross" is about as silly a statement as "slightly pregnant". Just be grateful that some of those who built our Nations understood a little bit about mathematics.

mike martin · 21-11-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

In Washington DC there is a “grandly designed cross”, it is indeed grand, the grandest the world has ever seen,.
This grandly design cross is in the layout/design of DC, the capital city for the super power of the world, America.
It is an Upside Down Cross as you face east (sun worship, sun rises in the east of course).

WHAAAT??? You've found another one? Oh my God I didn't believe you when you told me about the first one nearly a year ago but well if you've found more, maybe I was wrong!!!

Is it similar to the first one?

Mike

slartibartfast · 21-11-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by grandsecretary

"Nearly a cross" is about as silly a statement as "slightly pregnant". Just be grateful that some of those who built our Nations understood a little bit about mathematics.

Sorry, I missed of the irony smilie. If you look at the maps the OP put up, then the early ones don't even have a complete cross, whichever way up. I was taking the micky out of him....

grandsecretary · 21-11-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by slartibartfast

Sorry, I missed of the irony smilie. If you look at the maps the OP put up, then the early ones don't even have a complete cross, whichever way up. I was taking the micky out of him....

Hokey Dokey.

rhydra · 21-11-2008, 06:38 PM

I can see quite a few crosses in there.

thelucifer · 21-11-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mike martin

WHAAAT??? You've found another one? Oh my God I didn't believe you when you told me about the first one nearly a year ago but well if you've found more, maybe I was wrong!!!

Is it similar to the first one?

Mike

Are you being sarcastic Mike ?
I first put this highlighted map together 10 years ago.

Im not much into responding to sarcasm.

If you guys wish to converse in a serious manner Im game.

mike martin · 21-11-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

Are you being sarcastic Mike ?
I first put this highlighted map together 10 years ago.

Im not much into responding to sarcasm.

If you guys wish to converse in a serious manner Im game.

Yes I know you did, my post was actually an ironic observation of the repetition of the presentation of an old story.

Which, as I have highlighted many times, is the backbone of conspiracy theory. Nothing new to show just the same old stuff endlessly recycled sometimes by new names, hoping to catch new observers and drag them in.

Much like the attacks against Freemasonry, based on some obscure stories from the 1800s, spiced up with some stuff from the early 1900s then endlessly retold with new ever more abusive and unfounded accusations and angles tagged on.

Mike

grandsecretary · 21-11-2008, 10:56 PM

Architecture, as with all of the arts and sciences comes down to mathematics. Geometry is mathematics.

Within the discipline of mathematics, achitecture IMHO should also reflect the personality of the architect. There is room for personal statements, religious symbolism, humour, whimsy, visual beauty, and let's not forget, a decent profit from a practical solution.

Peter

thelucifer · 21-11-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mike martin

Yes I know you did, my post was actually an ironic observation of the repetition of the presentation of an old story.

Is it now ?

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Which, as I have highlighted many times, is the backbone of conspiracy theory. Nothing new to show just the same old stuff endlessly recycled sometimes by new names, hoping to catch new observers and drag them in.

Much like the attacks against Freemasonry, based on some obscure stories from the 1800s, spiced up with some stuff from the early 1900s then endlessly retold with new ever more abusive and unfounded accusations and angles tagged on.

Mike

I decided to focus in on the cross a little more, because it is something that is not shown/talked about anywhere !
Why ?

Is this thing not as plainly there as I show it to be ?

Many have known of and shown the Compasses and Square stick figure that just happens to have HORNS on it, but no one shows this horned one ATOP an Upside Down Cross (when facing east or viewing the map east up as though facing east).

Does that not make things much more serious ?
In fact about as serious as it gets ??

thelucifer · 22-11-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by grandsecretary

There is room for personal statements, religious symbolism

Peter

On the scale of DC ?

Most clearly what is going on there is Legion.

drakul · 22-11-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

On the scale of DC ?

Most clearly what is going on there is Legion.

Good Job Lucifer. I have lived in the WDC area nearly my whole life and never saw the cross before, though I have seen the other symbols. WDC is rife with Masonic symbolism and they ARE in control and always have been.

1. Is the cross complete or is one wing only partial?

2. What determines whether the cross is upside down? IOW what direction should the top of the cross be facing to be right side up?

3. Where is the horned figure sitting on top of the cross?

mike martin · 22-11-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

Is it now ?

Well obviously! I don't quite understand why you'd ask?

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

I first put this highlighted map together 10 years ago.

According to you, you've been peddling it for a decade now and to be honest what you're giving is just a new angle to William T. Still's 1990 offerings in New World Order, Ancient Plan of Secret Societies.

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

I decided to focus in on the cross a little more, because it is something that is not shown/talked about anywhere !
Why ?

That's quite obvious really! When you haven't drwan lines on the map it isn't there. At least the other alleged symbols are actually still sort of recognisable without the lines drawn over the streets, take your drawing off and presto it aint there, Still would have seen it if it were.

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

Is this thing not as plainly there as I show it to be ?

Like I said, only when you've drawn it on!

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

Many have known of and shown the Compasses and Square stick figure that just happens to have HORNS on it, but no one shows this horned one ATOP an Upside Down Cross (when facing east or viewing the map east up as though facing east).

Does that not make things much more serious ?
In fact about as serious as it gets ??

Nope not even slightly. It's just as silly as it was before. Anyway everyone knows that the HQ of the Masonic conspiracy is on the Isle of Wight

Mike

thelucifer · 22-11-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by drakul

Good Job Lucifer. I have lived in the WDC area nearly my whole life and never saw the cross before, though I have seen the other symbols. WDC is rife with Masonic symbolism and they ARE in control and always have been.

Thank you.

Yon dont know how right you are.
Understand in the "temptation" story Satan is on a "hill" !
That hill is Capital Hill (where the head of the DC beast is). the mystery religions (edit - perhaps better said, TPTB) knew of all this then.

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1. Is the cross complete or is one wing only partial?

It is complete.

It is being hidden in plain sight.

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2. What determines whether the cross is upside down? IOW what direction should the top of the cross be facing to be right side up?

If you were East of it facing west it would be right side up.
In the Lodge the Masters chair is in the east facing west thus everyone else faces east.
Facing east is a sun worship thing.

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3. Where is the horned figure sitting on top of the cross?

The head of the beast is at/in the east end of the cross, which is the Capital bldg "the power of this country in stone".

barney_rubble · 22-11-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by thelucifer

If you were East of it facing west it would be right side up.
In the Lodge the Masters chair is in the east facing west thus everyone else faces east.
Facing east is a sun worship thing.

The bolding above is my emphasis.

You have never been in a Lodge have you.

This is untrue and as it is a key point in your argument (you must face east for it to be upside-down) the your argument falls.

thelucifer · 22-11-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mike martin

Well obviously! I don't quite understand why you'd ask?

Its another way of saying, "oh, really ?".

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According to you, you've been peddling it for a decade now and to be honest what you're giving is just a new angle to William T. Still's 1990 offerings in New World Order, Ancient Plan of Secret Societies.

peddling huh ? sure thing.

"new angle", Thank You.

Never heard of William.

The cross is something I became aware of via my own findings anyway.

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That's quite obvious really! When you haven't drwan lines on the map it isn't there.

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At least the other alleged symbols are actually still sort of recognisable

WOW, thats as close as youve come to admitting the obvious.

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without the lines drawn over the streets, take your drawing off and presto it aint there, Still would have seen it if it were.

presto

Sure you would have.

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Nope not even slightly. It's just as silly as it was before. Anyway everyone knows that the HQ of the Masonic conspiracy is on the Isle of Wight

Mike

thelucifer · 22-11-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by barney_rubble

The bolding above is my emphasis.

You have never been in a Lodge have you.

This is untrue and as it is a key point in your argument (you must face east for it to be upside-down) the your argument falls.

There are some exceptions, I was speaking in a general sense, but of course you already know that.

Key ? no, nice try.

I know, you would rather me view the cross with the beast upside down.

21-11-2008, 04:13 AM	#1
thelucifer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,570	Upside Down Cross in Washington DC In Washington DC there is a “grandly designed cross”, it is indeed grand, the grandest the world has ever seen,. This grandly design cross is in the layout/design of DC, the capital city for the super power of the world, America. It is an Upside Down Cross as you face east (sun worship, sun rises in the east of course). Note the early maps (shown below) showed the left/south arm of the inverted cross in water (as though not there), as well the Lincoln Memorial (west) end of the cross. They did this so as to not show the cross. This first pic is shown east up. Is that not obvious enough ? Is that clever ? Understanding the upside down cross when facing east is simple enough, but, this inverted cross has a horned stick figure atop it. The head of this horned stick figure atop the inverted cross is where the Capital bldg sits on Capital Hill. The Capital bldg represents “the power of this country in stone.” The horned stick figure is made using the Compasses and Square, Masonic symbols. Washington DC is via Freemasonry. The story goes the ground was to soft etc to put the Washington Monument in the center where they wanted it. Look at the map (at bottom of post) and note the line from the Capital bldg to the Lincoln Memorial is angled ! It’s a Pendulum, in swing, to its left (which is south on the map). Note the Lincoln Memorial is off centered at the end of the cross. The Washington Monument is exactly in line with the swing of the Pendulum and I submit it was always meant to be just that way. Is the story/placement of the Washington Monument clever ? Is the game not obvious enough ? The game of 1. not showing the cross and 2. the game placing the Washington Monument in the swing of the Pendulum instead of the center point/cross hair of the cross. Also note, the placement of the Washington Monument east of the center point/cross hair allows for a square placed on the angled line to point exactly at the House of the Temple, 13 blocks north of the White House. As shown in the pic below (the square shown in red). This pic is from a children’s book I have, showing the cross. This pic is from the book Washington DC by Irene Smith, showing a “grandly designed cross”. Many web sites show the horned stick figure but none shows the horned stick figure atop an Upside Down Cross. That with Novus Ordo Seclurum and the All-seeing Eye on the Great Seal is so very serious. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20199

21-11-2008, 05:44 AM	#2
the guy in pink Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: The North of South Africa Posts: 152	Stand the other end, then it is the right way up. __________________ The duty you owe to yourself: A regular course of discipline that will lead to the preservation your mind and body in their fullest energies.

21-11-2008, 07:51 AM	#3
slartibartfast Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 308	I like the second map...so when it was built, it wasn't a cross. Only when land was reclaimed did it become nearly a cross. Then people said, "Oh look, it a cross" from a Christian point of view. I despair at times.... __________________ Coincidences turn into Conspiracies when all inconvenient information is ignored.

21-11-2008, 01:49 PM	#4
eastbeast Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MFW Posts: 788	Aren't most or all Cathedrals built like this? I mean, with the long part facing the alter in the east, two 'arms' north and south, then a 'lobby' in the west? I have no idea what that has to do with the price of fish, but anyone? __________________ Yes I am a Freemason, and proud to be one.

21-11-2008, 02:52 PM	#5
grandsecretary Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: York Posts: 6,387	"Nearly a cross" is about as silly a statement as "slightly pregnant". Just be grateful that some of those who built our Nations understood a little bit about mathematics. __________________ http://grandlodge.blogspot.com/ The Grand Lodge of All England has no connection with any other body, Masonic or non-Masonic unless supported by a written Treaty or Agreement ratified by a Convocation of The Grand Lodge of All England. grandsecretary speaks on behalf of The Grand Lodge of All England. He does not represent the policies or views of ANY other Masonic organisation.

21-11-2008, 06:38 PM	#9
rhydra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 8,502	I can see quite a few crosses in there. __________________ Man is a tool created by the Universe to mark time.

21-11-2008, 10:56 PM	#12
grandsecretary Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: York Posts: 6,387	Architecture, as with all of the arts and sciences comes down to mathematics. Geometry is mathematics. Within the discipline of mathematics, achitecture IMHO should also reflect the personality of the architect. There is room for personal statements, religious symbolism, humour, whimsy, visual beauty, and let's not forget, a decent profit from a practical solution. Peter __________________ http://grandlodge.blogspot.com/ The Grand Lodge of All England has no connection with any other body, Masonic or non-Masonic unless supported by a written Treaty or Agreement ratified by a Convocation of The Grand Lodge of All England. grandsecretary speaks on behalf of The Grand Lodge of All England. He does not represent the policies or views of ANY other Masonic organisation.