Dream or OBE?

shankara · 15-11-2008, 09:39 PM

Just before I woke up this morning, I dreamt that I walked back to my bedroom and got in bed. I heard this loud noise that startled me, and I thought back in the dream to a few weeks ago when also heard a loud noise while I was dreaming, which sounded like a gunshot, but later when I asked no one else had heard anything. I've read that sometimes hearing those types of noises while dreaming can signal an OBE. Anyway, in the dream today I thought this, and once I heard that noise today I can't say if I was awake or asleep anymore. I was lying in bed and I couldn't move, I was staring at a picture on my wall, but my arm and the covers were covering part of my face. I knew something weird was going on, because like I said, I couldn't move. I wondered if I was having an OBE; I'm not even sure why I thought that actually. Then I heard this loud roar and my whole body felt like it was being burned or electrocuted and there was a flash of white light.

I was terrified but I reminded myself that God was with me and I was always safe (I actually repeated that about 100 times

) and just kept my focus on God, which I had learned to do in the past when I was tormented my negative entities (I'm fairly sane, I promise). I've heard that you can hear a load noise with an OBE but I've never heard of the light or the pain. Anyway after that happened I could move. I tuned my head but I knew I was turning it outside of my body. Then I decided I wanted to get up. I hope the covers were covering my face b/c I didn't want to see body laying in bed! I started floating out and I think I closed my eyes (if you can do that in OBE's, I don't even know!), and then I opened them and I was by the ceiling, by the pictures I had been looking at earlier. I noticed my keyboard was floating up there with me, and I thought that it shouldn't be there, but then I reminded myself that in the astral that things can be a bit different. I made myself turn, but it was difficult to move; I didn't know how to control anything, so I tried to swim like I do in dreams when I fly, and that worked a bit. Everything else in my room looked as it should, except that I was up by the ceiling. I was planning to leave my bedroom, but the whole thing started freaking me out so I said "I want to be back in my body now!" and I was. But then I was paralyzed again, looking at the same pictures, my body in the same position. It was very scary because I was totally stuck. Eventually I said, "This is stupid! I'm getting up now!" and then I jolted awake, my body in the same position and looking at the same pictures on the wall. No loud noise or pain this time though.

So what do you think? Did this really happen or was it a dream? I've had lucid dreams before and this felt similar, except that everything in my room was exactly as it is in "real life," and when I dream it's always quite different. I don't know much at all about OBE's, I've only done a little reading on it a long time ago. I didn't like how little control I had during it. I did just start a 100% (well, maybe 98%) raw-food diet, so maybe that had something to do with this. This is about my sixth time with the diet and I've never had an experience like his, but this time I did it specifically because I felt guided to for spiritual reasons. I don't know if I want it to happen again, it was pretty scary

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amandaooo · 16-11-2008, 01:17 AM

I can't remember where I heard this but if you are dreaming - to check that you are - turn on a light and there should be a slight delay in dream world.

Your recollections sound similar to my own experiences. I always wonder in my dream if it is indeed a dream and check everything in my surroundings - there is alwas something a bit "off" that makes me realise it's a dream. Like you, I also pray and call out to God in my dreams when I recognise demons (and like you also, I guess I can pass the sanity test

)

Interesting.

shankara · 16-11-2008, 04:56 AM

The more I think about it, the more I think it was a real experience. I've started reading some of the books I have on OBE's that I've never read before and they confirm my experience.

What do the demons look like? I've been seeing them since I was at least 2 years old, and not just in dream either. I've noticed that for me, it's not enough just to call of God, because when I try that and I'm still focused on the demons (or negative interdimentional entities or whatever) and still feeling fear, it keeps them there, but when I focus on nothing but God, they disappear or if I'm dreaming of them, I wake up. Before I learned that I'd have these dreams with them and it was almond a consciousness-splitting terror (luckily when I saw them awake I could control it more easily, but not always). But since I've started focusing on God years ago, they almost never bother me and I haven't dreamt of them since I called on God to dispel them from a dream years ago as a teenager.

amandaooo · 17-11-2008, 08:29 AM

Sometimes, they are very obvious - the demons that is. I dream of Moloch, and a bull who suffocates me - also a fox in tartan trousers who appeared and chased me when I was little!

Othertimes they can appear in a more subtle way. A tall man with dark hair who seemed nice then I just "knew" he was pure evil. They are often engaged in lewd acts (I sound like the prosocution against George Michael!) - eg, I'm at a party and suddenly notice they are up to no good and its getting scary.

aee02 · 30-11-2008, 04:55 PM

Wow. Sometimes I hear a loud noise and sometimes even voices right between the dream and wake state. I usually wake up when I hear it and it is like a split second I hear it. Its kind of freaky. Its like being in a noisy crowded space and the door shuts to silence. Please let me know what you find out. Thanks for posting the thread. It is very helpful.

nimlyn · 01-12-2008, 03:48 AM

Not every time I have an OBE but on a few occasions I’ve experienced odd noises like a multitude of voices and other times a clicking noise then there was a dream with a humming vibrating noise (sounded like a street cleaner but no such vehicle was around at the time of the dream?) then there’s been a high pitched electronic (like a microphone feedback)screech, also a bleeping noise to which I was give some information about San Francisco and six-ten? I have no-idea what that dream was about? Another similar OBE dream with a strange noise and observing someone dressed in black who was saying something about the government and earthquakes?

aee02 · 01-12-2008, 07:22 PM

Hi Nimlyn,

This is probably going to sound like a dumb question so please forgive my ignorance but how can you tell an OBE from a very vivid dream?

I had what I thought was a dream but is seemed so real. I wasn't in a body form and no one could see me but I was present. It felt like the future. I was in the back of a military transport with other civilians. We passed this stadium full of thousands of people cheering to this speaker. The speaker was addressing all of these social issues like poverty and the environment and how they are being solved in the world. After we passed the stadium nearby we were unloaded and led into this building. Again I was not there as a body but present. In the building people were going through a reprogramming session. There were pictures of dieties of all religions on a wall and these people were telling the civilians they did not exist and that all there is, is what we see around us. It was like a gentle coersion that I really felt was growing to outright violence in the near future. I had this dream about a year ago.

Do your OBE experiences or messages come true? That was very interesting about San Francisco. Have you gained anymore clairity about it? I had a dream a few months ago that the San Francisco bridge exploded. Weird.

I'm really new to all of this and it can be overwhelming. I appreciate you all coming down to help us newbies along with good advice. Thanks for your time.

nimlyn · 02-12-2008, 03:10 AM

Hi aee02…To be completely honest I don’t understand much about the OBE phenomenon myself either…With my own experiences they’ve all been different so much as when I appear to be out of body, I’m not always aware that I have left…Only occasionally have I felt myself sitting up and floating away from the sleeping / physical self…Most times now-a-days I become aware of my OBE’s when I’m already floating around somewhere?...However the dreams that I perceive as being an OBE are the ones where-upon I feel as though I’ve left my body and I have floated away to another room or another location / country.

Regarding the difference between a vivid dream and an OBE…I can’t help there either as I would have to be certain that the OBE is a legit phenomenon and that I don’t know…All I know is that the feeling of flying out of body while asleep is a real feeling even though its not a proven fact.

Although with the flying / floating dreams there will be information noted that I am not normally aware off in my conscious world so that could be a good indication that the dream may be something other than a figment of my imagination…Therefore even though I am not certain what the flying dreams really are, I use the term OBE because that’s what best describes the type of dream that I’ve had and what it could actually be…I just don’t have adequate proof that, that is so.

An example of such a dream would be when I once dreamed (April 03) that I was hovering inside a room…I had a birds eye view of my Mother and two brothers who live in the U.K, yet I live in Australia…Anyhow! These family members were discussing my pet cat Dusty (A cat which I left with them when I emigrated) and they were unsure whether they should tell me about his demise?

After the dream I telephoned my U.K family and I asked them about my cat…To which my Mother admitted that the cat had disappeared a week ago and they feared that he was dead as he had been sick. The cat was never found.

Regarding San Francisco…I have no-idea what that dream (in March 04 ) was about…I did suspect that it may have been pointing towards an earthquake but as the information only came in a snippet then I just don’t know? That’s the problem with those types of dreams, there’s usually not enough clarity to be certain about anything.

A bridge you make mention off…That rings a bell with me too although again my dream about the bridge (September 03) was very sketchy…Had something about God sending a man out to retrieve a leg of ham which appeared to look / change into a leg of deer…I was then told to remember something that was going to happen with a bridge in the future…I then saw a vision of myself (similar to an OBE) taking refuge from something horrific but I couldn’t remember what had scared me?

On later reflection I thought that the man with the leg of ham / deer was maybe indicating Buckingham…And the Bridge connection…Anyone’s guess?

I have a lot of OBE type dreams which show what appears to be future events although they don’t contain enough information to shout about…In one OBE dream I was floating inside a large building and below me I saw the body of the present Pope Benedict…Apparently the death of the Pope was kept secret from the journalists and public for a while but when and how I wasn’t given any more info about the event to be sure that it was anything other than just a dream…Yet the floating part in the dream may be a good indication that this event will transpire in the manner presented to me.

Regarding your dream about the future, the military etc…Reads as a forbidding future if ever it eventuates…I’m not sure what to make of it although I hope you don’t mind my suggestion that it could be some of your sub-conscious fears and uncertainties playing out in your dreams…But then again! If you are sure that it was a type of OBE with a prophetic vision then it could be something that you should be aware off…But not something that you will be directly involved with…In OBE type dreams I tend to think that I am present as a witness to something and not as the victim although whatever happens I guess it will have an effect upon oneself in one way or another.(

aee02 · 02-12-2008, 09:20 PM

Nimlyn-Hi

Thanks for taking the time to answer. First, I am very sorry to hear about your cat, Dusty.

You have given me a lot to think about.. From what I have read about other traditions OBE's appear to be real and it appears especially in your case you have had them and visions (if those are two separate things).

It sounds like you write down the dates of these dreams which is a good idea. Some things you hit on resonated with me. I usually don't have flying dreams or dreams in which I witness something. I am usually present and they are like crazy snippets of nonsense. These dreams stood out because I did feel like I was a witness and not present and also I felt this incredible sense of emphathy. You are right-my dream may have been my subconscious which is something I am trying to decide in a rational manner but there is just something about them. The first dream about the military was before I was really getting into the conspiracy stuff and it just didn't seem to jibe with my usual kind of dreams-ie: work-family-everyday life etc. The one about the bridge also seemed out of place too.

I visited San Francisco last year on vacation. I met some wonderful people there but there was this overall feeling of a dark presence in that town. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe that was on my mind...dunno. It felt like this explosion was something that was not what it appeared to be..can't explain.

That was a clever deduction you made about the leg of ham/deer and Buckingham. You are pretty good at dream interpretations.

I really appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences. I feel I learn more from people sharing stories than from reading books at times. For me it was like a switch has been thrown since 2006 and I am having some weird experiences. I really am an average boring kind of person but life has taken a crazy turn since that time. I am trying to wait patiently and read other's posts to see if what they experience is similar to mine and how they are progressing with it but I haven't found a major change that I have experienced yet on this forum nor anywhere on the web. I am afraid to say because people would think I'm bound for bonkersville. If I get the courage please don't think I'm crazy-I dunno-maybe I am. Life is strange. Thanks again-sorry for the ramble...

nimlyn · 03-12-2008, 01:06 AM

Hi aee02…I’m no psychologist but you certainly appear to be a very rational person…So no-worries…

My guess is there’s plenty more people about who’ve experienced similar things (questions and concerns) regarding OBE’s but for whatever reason will not discuss the topic.

Regarding dates with dreams…I also jot down the location (country and house address) where I’ve had the dream and sometimes the time…The time mainly when I’ve had a spiritual or an ET type of dream…With the location I observe the types of dreams when living in different areas. I thought that I’d see a pattern emerging but ever since I began my dream log in 1993, I’ve moved home / area address approximately ten times and during that period I’ve not really noted much difference…All the dreams are a broad mixture of different things, one night I would be dreaming about my family then another night the dreams will be about an unknown person or even a celebrity and then another night I’ll be dreaming about the spiritual or extra terrestrial themes. Although recently while living in my latest home of one year and five months, I have noticed that I’m having less E.T dreams (hardly any) but I am experiencing a flood of spiritual dreams and for me that sends the alarm bells ringing because I’m well aware that during the year of 2001 I was having similar types of spiritual dreams just before the U.S.A terror attacks.

Therefore I also feel as though I’m sensing that something ominous is about to happen very soon…possibly near the latter end of December? Although it could be just my own fears playing with my suspicions but time will tell eh!

The empathy I can relate too! There’s one dream that I had in February 2001…The dream was repeating over and over again between the times of 3:00 am and 4:00 am and I saw / experienced (internal perspective of) multiple aircraft crashes and I also observed the terror that the people were suffering.

America! I’ve never physically visited that place although I have had a few dreams about it and its inhabitants…I don’t know why? Maybe it has some kind of spiritual significance linked to it.

The military aspect…Strangely enough! Well maybe not but when I dream about that kind of thing it’s usually the Black ops, secret service things and I tend to sense the danger with that type of dream and I break away from it as fast as I can…So with those dreams they are generally just snippets of things that I don’t understand like the Aurora project and such.

Anyhow! It’s been nice exchanging info with you…When I read your comments like: - I am trying to decide in a rational manner but there is just something about them…The first dream about the military was before I was really getting into the conspiracy stuff please don't think I'm crazy… it just didn't seem to jibe with my usual kind of dreams-ie: work-family-everyday life etc…The one about the bridge also seemed out of place too…For me it was like a switch has been thrown since 2006 and I am having some weird experiences…I really am an average boring kind of person… I am trying to wait patiently and read other's posts to see if what they experience is similar to mine and how they are progressing with it but I haven't found a major change that I have experienced yet on this forum nor anywhere on the web.

It all resonates with the thoughts and experiences that I’ve had and I couldn’t help myself but I did have a chuckle…

hitithard · 04-12-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by amandaooo

I can't remember where I heard this but if you are dreaming - to check that you are - turn on a light and there should be a slight delay in dream world.

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I'm guessing you heard that from waking life,

if anyone reading this who is interested in dreams should watch

waking life

very good movie

delamo1999 · 04-12-2008, 05:59 AM

Does anyone know of any good sites where I can download music/guided meditation to induce an OBE?

aee02 · 04-12-2008, 09:23 PM

Nimlyn-Hello

Thanks again for your response and good advice.

That must have freaked you out in 2001 when there was horrid validity to your prior dreams. It would have me for sure.. You seem grounded about it all which I hope to be one day.

I will take what you said about keeping up with dates/times/dreams/places and try it out. Thanks.

Yes, its good to keep a sense of humor. Laugh away! Thanks.

nimlyn · 05-12-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aee02

Nimlyn-Hello

Thanks again for your response and good advice.

That must have freaked you out in 2001 when there was horrid validity to your prior dreams. It would have me for sure.. You seem grounded about it all which I hope to be one day.

I will take what you said about keeping up with dates/times/dreams/places and try it out. Thanks.

Yes, its good to keep a sense of humor. Laugh away! Thanks.

Hi aee02…Yes! I’ve had quite a few dreams that have been on the freaky side so much as: I just have no real explanation for them…So having a sense of humour does help…

The crocodile / death dreams that I’ve had on more than one occasion on the 11th day of an 11th month are particularly freaky. Why 11.11 I just don’t know? Also why are the crocs associated with death again???

Anyhow! Good luck with the searching…There’s got to be an explanation out there somewhere?

aee02 · 11-12-2008, 12:32 AM

Hi Nimlyn:

Sorry it took so long to respond. This forum is so large it takes a while to get back-I'm sorry.

I looked up some stuff-maybe it will help you?

On animal symbolism:
Crocodile - Devourer, liberation, guardian, dual nature, conscious and unconscious, fertility, brutality,
viciousness, deceit, treachery.
Alligator--Aggression, survival, adaptability.
Alligator - Stealth, Survival

Numerlogy:
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/num-lifepath.html

I don't know if that helps you out but please let me know what you find out. Good luck to you too!

stinky catz · 17-12-2008, 01:18 AM

OMFG I just had the same experience. I was taking a nap today. All of a sudden I heard this rushing/roaring noise. My body began to shake. My arm was shaking the most. I kept asking God for protection. I kept saying "God.. Protect me!" I was thrown into my room, I was laying on the floor, and I couldn't move. I saw a spirit in my room, but I couldn't get up to look at it. It was the wierdest experience ever! I wasn't prepared to let my spirit out of my body, so I heard this rush again, then I was ZAPPED back into reality and I woke up.

Ps. I forgot to mention I was listening to this frequency music on a loop.

aee02 · 23-12-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stinky catz

OMFG I just had the same experience. I was taking a nap today. All of a sudden I heard this rushing/roaring noise. My body began to shake. My arm was shaking the most. I kept asking God for protection. I kept saying "God.. Protect me!" I was thrown into my room, I was laying on the floor, and I couldn't move. I saw a spirit in my room, but I couldn't get up to look at it. It was the wierdest experience ever! I wasn't prepared to let my spirit out of my body, so I heard this rush again, then I was ZAPPED back into reality and I woke up.

Ps. I forgot to mention I was listening to this frequency music on a loop.

Wow. That must have been terrifying for you. It appears quite a few people have had this in-between kind of noise stage. That should offer some validity to its existance IMO.

That is what scares me. Its like I really want to investigate this part of spirituality but I worry about the protection issues. I feel like I would be very vulnerable beyond my body without guidance. I have had what I thought were vivid dreams in which some invisible force strangles me and I struggle out to call on protection. Because of my traditional Christian background my protection was the name "Jesus". I remember calling on him one time during one of these dreams and in my dream there was this ripple effect and suddenly I was awake screaming "Jesus" aloud. I'm sure what we use as our protection names is very personal and effective for each of us regardless of tradition. I just wonder if it would be useful if we wondered out in consciousness in our own accord and not spiritually attacked. Unfortunately the same spiritual dogmas that I have come to be comfortable with have also limited me to fear in my spiritual path.

stinky catz · 24-12-2008, 01:12 AM

I was only temporally scared because I was totally caught off guard. I agree with you about the names we call out for protection.

I'm going to go see a psychic about that experience I had. Maybe he can shed some light on it, and help me learn how to better protect myself.

academylin · 24-12-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aee02

That is what scares me. Its like I really want to investigate this part of spirituality but I worry about the protection issues. I feel like I would be very vulnerable beyond my body without guidance. I have had what I thought were vivid dreams in which some invisible force strangles me and I struggle out to call on protection. Because of my traditional Christian background my protection was the name "Jesus". I remember calling on him one time during one of these dreams and in my dream there was this ripple effect and suddenly I was awake screaming "Jesus" aloud. I'm sure what we use as our protection names is very personal and effective for each of us regardless of tradition. I just wonder if it would be useful if we wondered out in consciousness in our own accord and not spiritually attacked. Unfortunately the same spiritual dogmas that I have come to be comfortable with have also limited me to fear in my spiritual path.

I understand completely where you are coming from with the " fear " issue in choosing to or being taken into an astral voyage. I have always had reluctance in exploring this practise, however lately and with the noticeably increased awareness of the phenomena, I have set to thinking.
My husband had some weird shit freaky dream the other night, ( I may post it in a mo for some help with the interpretation, ) which initially made me suspect an involuntary OBE....
As the subject was raised, I wondered why I had decided not to explore this realm, ( as I have learned what I can about most things spiritual or psychic...) and if I think back it stems from being told as a teenager very earnestly NOT to read the books which I had just bought on Astral Projection. The guy who had clearly, vehemently warned me away from this literature, was a very close friend, but it also transpired later that He was Master of the Lodge !
Why would a mason be so vehemently adamant that one shouldn't astrally project.... We know they know something we don't know.. ( that's what they think ! ? ) Any connection or just an overactive imagination ?

aee02 · 26-12-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stinky catz

I was only temporally scared because I was totally caught off guard. I agree with you about the names we call out for protection.

I'm going to go see a psychic about that experience I had. Maybe he can shed some light on it, and help me learn how to better protect myself.

Please share with us what you find out. Thanks!

15-11-2008, 09:39 PM	#1
shankara Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 254	Dream or OBE? Just before I woke up this morning, I dreamt that I walked back to my bedroom and got in bed. I heard this loud noise that startled me, and I thought back in the dream to a few weeks ago when also heard a loud noise while I was dreaming, which sounded like a gunshot, but later when I asked no one else had heard anything. I've read that sometimes hearing those types of noises while dreaming can signal an OBE. Anyway, in the dream today I thought this, and once I heard that noise today I can't say if I was awake or asleep anymore. I was lying in bed and I couldn't move, I was staring at a picture on my wall, but my arm and the covers were covering part of my face. I knew something weird was going on, because like I said, I couldn't move. I wondered if I was having an OBE; I'm not even sure why I thought that actually. Then I heard this loud roar and my whole body felt like it was being burned or electrocuted and there was a flash of white light. I was terrified but I reminded myself that God was with me and I was always safe (I actually repeated that about 100 times ) and just kept my focus on God, which I had learned to do in the past when I was tormented my negative entities (I'm fairly sane, I promise). I've heard that you can hear a load noise with an OBE but I've never heard of the light or the pain. Anyway after that happened I could move. I tuned my head but I knew I was turning it outside of my body. Then I decided I wanted to get up. I hope the covers were covering my face b/c I didn't want to see body laying in bed! I started floating out and I think I closed my eyes (if you can do that in OBE's, I don't even know!), and then I opened them and I was by the ceiling, by the pictures I had been looking at earlier. I noticed my keyboard was floating up there with me, and I thought that it shouldn't be there, but then I reminded myself that in the astral that things can be a bit different. I made myself turn, but it was difficult to move; I didn't know how to control anything, so I tried to swim like I do in dreams when I fly, and that worked a bit. Everything else in my room looked as it should, except that I was up by the ceiling. I was planning to leave my bedroom, but the whole thing started freaking me out so I said "I want to be back in my body now!" and I was. But then I was paralyzed again, looking at the same pictures, my body in the same position. It was very scary because I was totally stuck. Eventually I said, "This is stupid! I'm getting up now!" and then I jolted awake, my body in the same position and looking at the same pictures on the wall. No loud noise or pain this time though. So what do you think? Did this really happen or was it a dream? I've had lucid dreams before and this felt similar, except that everything in my room was exactly as it is in "real life," and when I dream it's always quite different. I don't know much at all about OBE's, I've only done a little reading on it a long time ago. I didn't like how little control I had during it. I did just start a 100% (well, maybe 98%) raw-food diet, so maybe that had something to do with this. This is about my sixth time with the diet and I've never had an experience like his, but this time I did it specifically because I felt guided to for spiritual reasons. I don't know if I want it to happen again, it was pretty scary . __________________ I AM the transcendental Bliss, the Absolute intelligence, the Supreme Synthesis of Consciousness that shines in the shrine of every heart. I AM the divine inner harmony of the universe in the unruffled stillness of the soul. In my presence all hells and heavens are effaced into shadowy nothingness and the whole universe is a mere bubble, ever ready to burst. - Mahavatar Babaji Last edited by shankara; 15-11-2008 at 09:44 PM.

16-11-2008, 04:56 AM	#3
shankara Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 254	The more I think about it, the more I think it was a real experience. I've started reading some of the books I have on OBE's that I've never read before and they confirm my experience. What do the demons look like? I've been seeing them since I was at least 2 years old, and not just in dream either. I've noticed that for me, it's not enough just to call of God, because when I try that and I'm still focused on the demons (or negative interdimentional entities or whatever) and still feeling fear, it keeps them there, but when I focus on nothing but God, they disappear or if I'm dreaming of them, I wake up. Before I learned that I'd have these dreams with them and it was almond a consciousness-splitting terror (luckily when I saw them awake I could control it more easily, but not always). But since I've started focusing on God years ago, they almost never bother me and I haven't dreamt of them since I called on God to dispel them from a dream years ago as a teenager. __________________ I AM the transcendental Bliss, the Absolute intelligence, the Supreme Synthesis of Consciousness that shines in the shrine of every heart. I AM the divine inner harmony of the universe in the unruffled stillness of the soul. In my presence all hells and heavens are effaced into shadowy nothingness and the whole universe is a mere bubble, ever ready to burst. - Mahavatar Babaji

17-12-2008, 01:18 AM	#16
stinky catz Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 354	OMFG I just had the same experience. I was taking a nap today. All of a sudden I heard this rushing/roaring noise. My body began to shake. My arm was shaking the most. I kept asking God for protection. I kept saying "God.. Protect me!" I was thrown into my room, I was laying on the floor, and I couldn't move. I saw a spirit in my room, but I couldn't get up to look at it. It was the wierdest experience ever! I wasn't prepared to let my spirit out of my body, so I heard this rush again, then I was ZAPPED back into reality and I woke up. Ps. I forgot to mention I was listening to this frequency music on a loop. Last edited by stinky catz; 17-12-2008 at 01:20 AM. Reason: Grammer and additional info.

16-11-2008, 01:17 AM	#2
amandaooo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 591	I can't remember where I heard this but if you are dreaming - to check that you are - turn on a light and there should be a slight delay in dream world. Your recollections sound similar to my own experiences. I always wonder in my dream if it is indeed a dream and check everything in my surroundings - there is alwas something a bit "off" that makes me realise it's a dream. Like you, I also pray and call out to God in my dreams when I recognise demons (and like you also, I guess I can pass the sanity test ) Interesting.

17-11-2008, 08:29 AM	#4
amandaooo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 591	Sometimes, they are very obvious - the demons that is. I dream of Moloch, and a bull who suffocates me - also a fox in tartan trousers who appeared and chased me when I was little! Othertimes they can appear in a more subtle way. A tall man with dark hair who seemed nice then I just "knew" he was pure evil. They are often engaged in lewd acts (I sound like the prosocution against George Michael!) - eg, I'm at a party and suddenly notice they are up to no good and its getting scary.

30-11-2008, 04:55 PM	#5
aee02 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 198	Wow. Sometimes I hear a loud noise and sometimes even voices right between the dream and wake state. I usually wake up when I hear it and it is like a split second I hear it. Its kind of freaky. Its like being in a noisy crowded space and the door shuts to silence. Please let me know what you find out. Thanks for posting the thread. It is very helpful.

01-12-2008, 03:48 AM	#6
nimlyn Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 1,441	Not every time I have an OBE but on a few occasions I’ve experienced odd noises like a multitude of voices and other times a clicking noise then there was a dream with a humming vibrating noise (sounded like a street cleaner but no such vehicle was around at the time of the dream?) then there’s been a high pitched electronic (like a microphone feedback)screech, also a bleeping noise to which I was give some information about San Francisco and six-ten? I have no-idea what that dream was about? Another similar OBE dream with a strange noise and observing someone dressed in black who was saying something about the government and earthquakes?

01-12-2008, 07:22 PM	#7
aee02 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 198	Hi Nimlyn, This is probably going to sound like a dumb question so please forgive my ignorance but how can you tell an OBE from a very vivid dream? I had what I thought was a dream but is seemed so real. I wasn't in a body form and no one could see me but I was present. It felt like the future. I was in the back of a military transport with other civilians. We passed this stadium full of thousands of people cheering to this speaker. The speaker was addressing all of these social issues like poverty and the environment and how they are being solved in the world. After we passed the stadium nearby we were unloaded and led into this building. Again I was not there as a body but present. In the building people were going through a reprogramming session. There were pictures of dieties of all religions on a wall and these people were telling the civilians they did not exist and that all there is, is what we see around us. It was like a gentle coersion that I really felt was growing to outright violence in the near future. I had this dream about a year ago. Do your OBE experiences or messages come true? That was very interesting about San Francisco. Have you gained anymore clairity about it? I had a dream a few months ago that the San Francisco bridge exploded. Weird. I'm really new to all of this and it can be overwhelming. I appreciate you all coming down to help us newbies along with good advice. Thanks for your time.

02-12-2008, 03:10 AM	#8
nimlyn Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 1,441	Hi aee02…To be completely honest I don’t understand much about the OBE phenomenon myself either…With my own experiences they’ve all been different so much as when I appear to be out of body, I’m not always aware that I have left…Only occasionally have I felt myself sitting up and floating away from the sleeping / physical self…Most times now-a-days I become aware of my OBE’s when I’m already floating around somewhere?...However the dreams that I perceive as being an OBE are the ones where-upon I feel as though I’ve left my body and I have floated away to another room or another location / country. Regarding the difference between a vivid dream and an OBE…I can’t help there either as I would have to be certain that the OBE is a legit phenomenon and that I don’t know…All I know is that the feeling of flying out of body while asleep is a real feeling even though its not a proven fact. Although with the flying / floating dreams there will be information noted that I am not normally aware off in my conscious world so that could be a good indication that the dream may be something other than a figment of my imagination…Therefore even though I am not certain what the flying dreams really are, I use the term OBE because that’s what best describes the type of dream that I’ve had and what it could actually be…I just don’t have adequate proof that, that is so. An example of such a dream would be when I once dreamed (April 03) that I was hovering inside a room…I had a birds eye view of my Mother and two brothers who live in the U.K, yet I live in Australia…Anyhow! These family members were discussing my pet cat Dusty (A cat which I left with them when I emigrated) and they were unsure whether they should tell me about his demise? After the dream I telephoned my U.K family and I asked them about my cat…To which my Mother admitted that the cat had disappeared a week ago and they feared that he was dead as he had been sick. The cat was never found. Regarding San Francisco…I have no-idea what that dream (in March 04 ) was about…I did suspect that it may have been pointing towards an earthquake but as the information only came in a snippet then I just don’t know? That’s the problem with those types of dreams, there’s usually not enough clarity to be certain about anything. A bridge you make mention off…That rings a bell with me too although again my dream about the bridge (September 03) was very sketchy…Had something about God sending a man out to retrieve a leg of ham which appeared to look / change into a leg of deer…I was then told to remember something that was going to happen with a bridge in the future…I then saw a vision of myself (similar to an OBE) taking refuge from something horrific but I couldn’t remember what had scared me? On later reflection I thought that the man with the leg of ham / deer was maybe indicating Buckingham…And the Bridge connection…Anyone’s guess? I have a lot of OBE type dreams which show what appears to be future events although they don’t contain enough information to shout about…In one OBE dream I was floating inside a large building and below me I saw the body of the present Pope Benedict…Apparently the death of the Pope was kept secret from the journalists and public for a while but when and how I wasn’t given any more info about the event to be sure that it was anything other than just a dream…Yet the floating part in the dream may be a good indication that this event will transpire in the manner presented to me. Regarding your dream about the future, the military etc…Reads as a forbidding future if ever it eventuates…I’m not sure what to make of it although I hope you don’t mind my suggestion that it could be some of your sub-conscious fears and uncertainties playing out in your dreams…But then again! If you are sure that it was a type of OBE with a prophetic vision then it could be something that you should be aware off…But not something that you will be directly involved with…In OBE type dreams I tend to think that I am present as a witness to something and not as the victim although whatever happens I guess it will have an effect upon oneself in one way or another.(

02-12-2008, 09:20 PM	#9
aee02 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 198	Nimlyn-Hi Thanks for taking the time to answer. First, I am very sorry to hear about your cat, Dusty. You have given me a lot to think about.. From what I have read about other traditions OBE's appear to be real and it appears especially in your case you have had them and visions (if those are two separate things). It sounds like you write down the dates of these dreams which is a good idea. Some things you hit on resonated with me. I usually don't have flying dreams or dreams in which I witness something. I am usually present and they are like crazy snippets of nonsense. These dreams stood out because I did feel like I was a witness and not present and also I felt this incredible sense of emphathy. You are right-my dream may have been my subconscious which is something I am trying to decide in a rational manner but there is just something about them. The first dream about the military was before I was really getting into the conspiracy stuff and it just didn't seem to jibe with my usual kind of dreams-ie: work-family-everyday life etc. The one about the bridge also seemed out of place too. I visited San Francisco last year on vacation. I met some wonderful people there but there was this overall feeling of a dark presence in that town. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe that was on my mind...dunno. It felt like this explosion was something that was not what it appeared to be..can't explain. That was a clever deduction you made about the leg of ham/deer and Buckingham. You are pretty good at dream interpretations. I really appreciate you taking the time to share your experiences. I feel I learn more from people sharing stories than from reading books at times. For me it was like a switch has been thrown since 2006 and I am having some weird experiences. I really am an average boring kind of person but life has taken a crazy turn since that time. I am trying to wait patiently and read other's posts to see if what they experience is similar to mine and how they are progressing with it but I haven't found a major change that I have experienced yet on this forum nor anywhere on the web. I am afraid to say because people would think I'm bound for bonkersville. If I get the courage please don't think I'm crazy-I dunno-maybe I am. Life is strange. Thanks again-sorry for the ramble...

03-12-2008, 01:06 AM	#10
nimlyn Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 1,441	Hi aee02…I’m no psychologist but you certainly appear to be a very rational person…So no-worries… My guess is there’s plenty more people about who’ve experienced similar things (questions and concerns) regarding OBE’s but for whatever reason will not discuss the topic. Regarding dates with dreams…I also jot down the location (country and house address) where I’ve had the dream and sometimes the time…The time mainly when I’ve had a spiritual or an ET type of dream…With the location I observe the types of dreams when living in different areas. I thought that I’d see a pattern emerging but ever since I began my dream log in 1993, I’ve moved home / area address approximately ten times and during that period I’ve not really noted much difference…All the dreams are a broad mixture of different things, one night I would be dreaming about my family then another night the dreams will be about an unknown person or even a celebrity and then another night I’ll be dreaming about the spiritual or extra terrestrial themes. Although recently while living in my latest home of one year and five months, I have noticed that I’m having less E.T dreams (hardly any) but I am experiencing a flood of spiritual dreams and for me that sends the alarm bells ringing because I’m well aware that during the year of 2001 I was having similar types of spiritual dreams just before the U.S.A terror attacks. Therefore I also feel as though I’m sensing that something ominous is about to happen very soon…possibly near the latter end of December? Although it could be just my own fears playing with my suspicions but time will tell eh! The empathy I can relate too! There’s one dream that I had in February 2001…The dream was repeating over and over again between the times of 3:00 am and 4:00 am and I saw / experienced (internal perspective of) multiple aircraft crashes and I also observed the terror that the people were suffering. America! I’ve never physically visited that place although I have had a few dreams about it and its inhabitants…I don’t know why? Maybe it has some kind of spiritual significance linked to it. The military aspect…Strangely enough! Well maybe not but when I dream about that kind of thing it’s usually the Black ops, secret service things and I tend to sense the danger with that type of dream and I break away from it as fast as I can…So with those dreams they are generally just snippets of things that I don’t understand like the Aurora project and such. Anyhow! It’s been nice exchanging info with you…When I read your comments like: - I am trying to decide in a rational manner but there is just something about them…The first dream about the military was before I was really getting into the conspiracy stuff please don't think I'm crazy… it just didn't seem to jibe with my usual kind of dreams-ie: work-family-everyday life etc…The one about the bridge also seemed out of place too…For me it was like a switch has been thrown since 2006 and I am having some weird experiences…I really am an average boring kind of person… I am trying to wait patiently and read other's posts to see if what they experience is similar to mine and how they are progressing with it but I haven't found a major change that I have experienced yet on this forum nor anywhere on the web. It all resonates with the thoughts and experiences that I’ve had and I couldn’t help myself but I did have a chuckle…

04-12-2008, 05:59 AM	#12
delamo1999 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Inside the Hollow Earth Posts: 1,427	Does anyone know of any good sites where I can download music/guided meditation to induce an OBE?

04-12-2008, 09:23 PM	#13
aee02 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 198	Nimlyn-Hello Thanks again for your response and good advice. That must have freaked you out in 2001 when there was horrid validity to your prior dreams. It would have me for sure.. You seem grounded about it all which I hope to be one day. I will take what you said about keeping up with dates/times/dreams/places and try it out. Thanks. Yes, its good to keep a sense of humor. Laugh away! Thanks.

11-12-2008, 12:32 AM	#15
aee02 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 198	Hi Nimlyn: Sorry it took so long to respond. This forum is so large it takes a while to get back-I'm sorry. I looked up some stuff-maybe it will help you? On animal symbolism: Crocodile - Devourer, liberation, guardian, dual nature, conscious and unconscious, fertility, brutality, viciousness, deceit, treachery. Alligator--Aggression, survival, adaptability. Alligator - Stealth, Survival Numerlogy: http://www.astrology-numerology.com/num-lifepath.html I don't know if that helps you out but please let me know what you find out. Good luck to you too!

24-12-2008, 01:12 AM	#18
stinky catz Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 354	I was only temporally scared because I was totally caught off guard. I agree with you about the names we call out for protection. I'm going to go see a psychic about that experience I had. Maybe he can shed some light on it, and help me learn how to better protect myself.