Buy Gold and Silver

[griswald]

Originally Posted by icke_is_right

Nice one, get ordering then Count!

Good advice for your 1st and 1000th post I_I_R

griswald

[freedom_thoughts]

Originally Posted by icke_is_right

OK, I'd order one coin first to test them but remember, the word seems to be suddenly spreading like wildfire that there is hardly any metal left. I thought that Channel Island goods will attract VAT on delivery to the UK. Anyway, I'm skeptical but let us know how you get on.

The Channel Islands goods things can be got around by getting coins sent individually, therefore keeping below the £18 vat threshold.

The Silver Coins website I use send each coin I order seperately so as to avoid the vat whack ... suits me fine, but my postman does show a funny face when he delivers 10 or more packages all looking the same too me .... I just say it's for my girlfriend as she makes jewellery!

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by freedom_thoughts

The Channel Islands goods things can be got around by getting coins sent individually, therefore keeping below the £18 vat threshold.

The Silver Coins website I use send each coin I order seperately so as to avoid the vat whack ... suits me fine, but my postman does show a funny face when he delivers 10 or more packages all looking the same too me .... I just say it's for my girlfriend as she makes jewellery!

The coins must have UK VAT on them if you're paying the prices I see. I can get 1oz Eagle from CID to Germany for £15.17 at the moment. That's with 7% tax. It's going to be horendous when UK VAT goes up to 20%. I think that happens in Jan next year. However, that represents better prices to sell in the UK if silver is obtained before that date. So that's good for us.

Anyway, silver could double in a flash, so in a couple of years, we'll smile about the prices today.

Here's a good article by Hommel and a radio interview. I like Hommel, I know he likes his bible but that's OK with me.


http://news.silverseek.com/GoldIsMoney/1283182340.php

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by griswald

Good advice for your 1st and 1000th post I_I_R

griswald

Any regrets about obtaining metal yet Gris? LOL.

No, I didn't think so! You should be showing a profit now, I'd have thought.

All the best.

[h2pogo]

Originally Posted by freedom_thoughts

The Channel Islands goods things can be got around by getting coins sent individually, therefore keeping below the £18 vat threshold.

The Silver Coins website I use send each coin I order seperately so as to avoid the vat whack ... suits me fine, but my postman does show a funny face when he delivers 10 or more packages all looking the same too me .... I just say it's for my girlfriend as she makes jewellery!

I used that source i recommend them also..

just realised its probably the last chance to buy a silver oz below the £18 pre tax thresh hold..


i might just go and blow the last of my digital fiat..

thanks for pointing this out..

EDIT.. just had a look http://www.silvercoinsbullion.co.uk/index.php and not much stock left..

[griswald]

Originally Posted by icke_is_right

Any regrets about obtaining metal yet Gris? LOL.

No, I didn't think so! You should be showing a profit now, I'd have thought.

All the best.

The only regret that one should have about life................is not living it

Keep the faith, amigo.

gris..

[souceoftruth]

http://www.silvercoinsbullion.co.uk/...duct.php?id=82

These APMEX Rounds are always the cheapest but as you would expect they sell out pretty quickly. Buy them whenever you can. A few days ago they were £15.25, i doubt they will get that cheap again.

[icke_is_right]

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I think, in the end, it's quite simple.....the biggest bubble in financial history is fiat money or to be more general, paper promises which include bonds and derivatives.

[souceoftruth]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/12697/64796

Very good but long article here about how Goldman Sachs has had a hand in every bubble since the great depression. I'm expecting the derivatives to go down pretty soon.

[icke_is_right]

I had to find out what a quadrillion was today. Yes, in these terms, I'm still learning to count.

A Quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000 or one thousand trillion.

A trillion is a 1000,000,000,000 or one million million.

So, I was trying to find out what derivatives are floating around. No one really knows. This is:


INBREED ACCOUNTING:


The Horrific Derivatives Bubble That Could One Day Destroy The Entire World Financial System

http://www.benzinga.com/10/08/417957...ld-financial-s

Also, it went in the US National News yesterday that no one knows how much gold there is in Fort Knox. OK, this is old news to us but now Jo Public are being informed. Hoorah! We were there streaks ahead of the others. Sorry but I think wealth is better off in people's hands who understand a bit of what David Ickes says.

Fox News takes Kitco's Ron Paul gold audit story national

http://www.gata.org/node/8975


So I ask how much is 1 oz of silver worth in fiat? $1,000,000 perhaps? If we divide a guestimate of 1 quadrillion derivatives by guestimate known reserves of silver ie 1 billion we get to the above figure. This is being generous, it's also estimated to be half this figure of silver, maybe even less.

I like to build a picture of things. The fact is no one knows anything. But it's pretty much been proved that there is fuck all gold and silver. You'd have to be an idiot not to realise. £20 for an oz should be affordable, who knows what price it will go to but these pathetic estimates of $400 an oz are miniscule compared to what's out there.

[h2pogo]

But yesterday it spiked to $3400

did goldman computers crash yesterday?

here's Alex Jones..more entertaining than bloom-berg

Investors Spooked As Glitch Sends Gold To $3400! - Alex Jones Tv - YouTube

Investors Spooked As Glitch Sends Gold To $3400! - Alex Jones Tv - YouTube

[griswald]

I,d like to think it will happen, but I doubt it.

Ron Paul Calls for Audit of US Gold Reserves : Kitco News Exclusive

Texas (Kitco News) -- U.S. Rep. Ron Paul , R-Tex., plans to introduce a new bill next year that will allow for an audit of US gold reserves, he told Kitco News in an exclusive interview.

Paul dropped the news in the interview, indicating that the bill still does not have an official name yet but will be unveiled at the start of the new U.S. Congress.

“If there was no question, you'd think they would be very anxious to prove to us that the gold is there,” he said.

This is not the first time the congressman has made his pitch. “In the early 1980s when I was on the gold commission, I asked them to recommend to the Congress that they audit the gold reserves – we had 17 members of the commission and 15 voted not to the audit,” said Paul. “I think there was only one decent audit done 50 years ago,” he said.

griswald

[perchanski]

The thing i dont get is that if gold and silver do increase and money is out the window, loads of people have got old silver bracelets and jewellery , there would be an abundance of selling this crap, like another cash for gold advertising campaign. Where would that leave all the inverstors who bought silver, hoping that there frugal investment would make them wealthy or able to survive. The market would be flooded with all the unwanted silver that everyone has, thus making it not precious and pretty much what the value is now or even lower. Just my thoughts , can anyone advise please.

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by perchanski

The thing i dont get is that if gold and silver do increase and money is out the window, loads of people have got old silver bracelets and jewellery , there would be an abundance of selling this crap, like another cash for gold advertising campaign. Where would that leave all the inverstors who bought silver, hoping that there frugal investment would make them wealthy or able to survive. The market would be flooded with all the unwanted silver that everyone has, thus making it not precious and pretty much what the value is now or even lower. Just my thoughts , can anyone advise please.

How much gold or silver have you got personally? Then think about everyone you know in your family, what would their sum total of scrap silver/gold come to? Look back to some calculations in the last pages..........

Scrap has already been sold and hocked since the start of the crisis, hence adverts everywhere asking for old metal.

It's quite simple, the London bullion mkt has already run out (rumoured but I believe it). Fort Knox and others have no gold. Hardly anyone has bought gold. The price is held down by paper manipulation. The scam has depended on 98% of people in the London Mkt (for example) not taking physical delivery.

I think that scrap, will not factor much from now in the price. You need to get your head around the figures. So, you've got £1million, you want to protect it. These people haven't even started yet. What are the billionaires going to do when they realise the score?

[perchanski]

But the metals are around , some maybe scrap but the thing is they havent disintegrated. PS i do have a bit of silver and gold bars, i bought them on the strength of your thread thank u very much, but i still reckon they will always be index linked to their value, IE if you bought £1000 worth of PM today, in 10 years time it may be worth £1500 or so, always a month or twos worth of shopping

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by perchanski

But the metals are around , some maybe scrap but the thing is they havent disintegrated. PS i do have a bit of silver and gold bars, i bought them on the strength of your thread thank u very much, but i still reckon they will always be index linked to their value, IE if you bought £1000 worth of PM today, in 10 years time it may be worth £1500 or so, always a month or twos worth of shopping

Scrap silver supply is falling:

http://www.silverinstitute.org/supply_demand.php

Recycling of gold looks like it's increased but demand is increasing too.

http://goldnews.bullionvault.com/gol...mand_022320093

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1507...n-annual-flows


Remember, the price is rising even in the face of massive manipulation. This reflects supply and demand. Just look at the long term gold charts.


PS, I'm glad you've got some metal. As I've said before, I saw DI giving away his ideas for free and I decided that I was going to do this. Years ago in one early part time job whilst at college (Waitrose, Fruit and Veg section), I realised that it wasn't the talented people who got to management, it was the stubbornly brain dead who kept at it. Also, I've been a keen talk back radio listener in past years. You have to keep on repeating the message. Eventually, you'll get through. LOL.

[souceoftruth]

So, you've got £1million, you want to protect it. These people haven't even started yet. What are the billionaires going to do when they realise the score?

This is a really good point I hadn't really thought of. I just always kinda assumed that the people with big money had already bought into silver and gold, like they were in on the scam but a lot of them probably arn't. I just thought the public would be the ones left out and quickly priced out of the gold/silver market once it starts ballooning. Thinking about it though there are probably many millions/billionaires who don't know and will suddenly realise "oh fuck" then pile into gold when the reserves are almost entirely gone. My evil side is kinda looking forward to it...this is going to be mayhem!

[diamond dogs]

Originally Posted by perchanski

But the metals are around , some maybe scrap but the thing is they havent disintegrated. PS i do have a bit of silver and gold bars, i bought them on the strength of your thread thank u very much, but i still reckon they will always be index linked to their value, IE if you bought £1000 worth of PM today, in 10 years time it may be worth £1500 or so, always a month or twos worth of shopping

''Icke-is-right'' Gold $742 Silver $9.52 (at start of G/S thread Nov08')

We are fast approaching Nov 10 and based on todays gold price you would likely have doubled your money (not taking into account buying/selling % fees).. I am seeing downward movement in house prices, virtually nil % on investments in unsafe banks..the price could fall but the signs are becoming more obvious now where I am in UK coupled with a (orchestrated) predicted increase in fuel and food then this will also have further consequences..

It could take a couple of years yet but the signs I am seeing are not looking too promising, I get the gyst that someone's gold ring or silver coins will be worth a fortune..I can see a large increase but if someone thinks buying £100-£1000 of silver is going to make them rich then I believe they will be dissappointed..

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by diamond dogs

''Icke-is-right'' Gold $742 Silver $9.52 (at start of G/S thread Nov08')

We are fast approaching Nov 10 and based on todays gold price you would likely have doubled your money (not taking into account buying/selling % fees).. I am seeing downward movement in house prices, virtually nil % on investments in unsafe banks..the price could fall but the signs are becoming more obvious now where I am in UK coupled with a (orchestrated) predicted increase in fuel and food then this will also have further consequences..

It could take a couple of years yet but the signs I am seeing are not looking too promising, I get the gyst that someone's gold ring or silver coins will be worth a fortune..I can see a large increase but if someone thinks buying £100-£1000 of silver is going to make them rich then I believe they will be dissappointed..

I think that silver will reach similar buying power to gold. We're not concerned primarily with getting rich, primarily it's being able to keep up with the massive depreciation of fiat money that's going to come.

So let's say silver goes near to the same price of gold for a while. £1000 will buy you about 2kg silver today. In today's terms 2 kg of gold will cost you about £50k. This is not what people call wealth in UK terms but it's better than a kick in the teeth. Let's say we get the ratio of 10:1 which roughly reflects what's in the ground. You will get the buying power of equal to £5k today. That's also better than seeing your £1k go up in a puff of smoke.

You've got to take into account that there isn't the capacity to increase silver production from anywhere. This is one of the keys. If suddenly everyone puts money into silver mining, we are talking 5 years down the line until such mines become productive. Then we have the prospect of supply not exisiting much in any case.......This is one of the keys. Now all this is unbelievable stuff so I suggest that anyone interested paruse the Palladium Chart. Remember, silver isn't going to plunge like this because it's supply and demand.

http://www.futuresbuzz.com/palladiumlt.html

I'm going to look what the price of a Big Mac is in that horrible place called Mc Donalds. I'm also going to look at what a Mars Bar costs. I want to keep up with how much silver and gold these items cost, as judging things in fiat money is going to be pointless pretty soon.

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by diamond dogs

''Icke-is-right'' Gold $742 Silver $9.52 (at start of G/S thread Nov08')

We are fast approaching Nov 10 and based on todays gold price you would likely have doubled your money (not taking into account buying/selling % fees).. I am seeing downward movement in house prices, virtually nil % on investments in unsafe banks..the price could fall but the signs are becoming more obvious now where I am in UK coupled with a (orchestrated) predicted increase in fuel and food then this will also have further consequences..

It could take a couple of years yet but the signs I am seeing are not looking too promising, I get the gyst that someone's gold ring or silver coins will be worth a fortune..I can see a large increase but if someone thinks buying £100-£1000 of silver is going to make them rich then I believe they will be dissappointed..

Supposedly, a billion oz silver above ground though it could be half this. At $20 a pop that's $20 billion's worth. This is peanuts compared to the guestimate quadrillion in derivatives and $71 trillion in US liabilities. How much paper is floating around? It would take a tiny % chasing silver to drive the price to the moon.

The key is lack of silver/gold and then the sudden rush out of fiat.

You've got to take into account that all the experts were still talking about deflation until about a week ago. It's insane. This following article just highlights how completely mad that scenario is. There is a dam about to blow and the water's gotta go somewhere. Many experts are saying that gold is overvalued, not even mentioning silver. It's incredible. Faber did a talk some months back and asked; 'who in the audience of finance people owned gold'?. The come back was virtually no one. These are the guys with serious money...........We're all still pretty 'up in the queue.

This article helps make a lot of sense of where all the pressure is being hidden.

Global Collapse of the Fiat Money System: Too Big To Fail Global Banks Will Collapse Between Now and First Quarter 2011

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=20853



One more thing Ben Davies from Hinde Capital stated this:

15,552 Metric Tonnes Silver above ground

15,551,738 Metric Tonnes Derivative Silver (Paper Silver, Using 50% estimate!)

So this would seem to mean 1000 times more funny paper stuff than real deal. This is being generous, so it could be 2000 times.



Note how silver is doing today after the take down. Hardly budged and it's just touched long term resistance.