Buy Gold and Silver

[icke_is_right]

Gold Manipulation by Central Banks (1 of 3) - YouTube

Gold Manipulation by Central Banks (1 of 3) - YouTube

[rhydra]

If you live near the sea, salt. Salt can be used for food preservation, handy in a world without electricity and freezers. Probably on a par with gold.

[h2pogo]

is there a fool proof easy way to make sure the gold coins i am buying are real.
there must be lots of fake ones out there.

[rhydra]

To find out if gold is genuine you could do a water displacement test, a method made famous by being attributed to Archimedes.

[diamond dogs]

Originally Posted by h2pogo

is there a fool proof easy way to make sure the gold coins i am buying are real.
there must be lots of fake ones out there.

Get them weighed also a simple test is balance the coin (pref 1oz Krug size) on the tip of your index finger and strike it on the edge with another coin (or metal object) and you will hear a distinctive 'ching'... Try it...

[psych641]

just weigh & measure, compare to official figures.

Ive got a 1/2 sovereign (4g), if i hold it up to a penny (3.5g), the difference in size is massive.

theres no records of anyone ever making tungsten-based fake coins, and the platinum-based fakes produced decades ago are now worth more than the real thing in todays market. There might be some other method i havent read about, but it would be so rare as not to be worth worrying about IMO.

[knightofthegrail]

Gold - good as an investment metal but not so hot for an everyday currency if the fiat-note system goes pop (as it would be like buying a can of coke with a £50 note).

Silver - good for an alternative currency when fiat note goes pop, but not so good as an investment metal (as it would get very bulky, very quickly).

It depends on what happens though. If the fiat-note currency collapses it could lead to a global currency instead (in which case the gold and silver could be sold to give you "Credits" (or whatever it ends up being called)) or a complete collapse of the economy (in which case you need barter goods like food, ammo, useful tools as gold is useless except as money or decoration - ask king Midas ).

Maybe get a small ammount of gold (£100 worth) a large ammount of silver (again £100 worth) and with the rest look at training in essential skills (such as starting a fire without modern means, hunting skinning and cooking your own meat, etc).

Mostly, though, dont sweat it - the most useful thing in a SHTF situation is faith Read Matt 6:19-34 for further details

[icke_is_right]

http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm...U1YsklcydQ.asf

(http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm...U1YsklcydQ.asf)

Not sure if this link will work, so I've put the link in brackets so it can be cut and pasted.

[icke_is_right]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1227683700.php

I've taken this paragraph from the above link about 12 paragraphs down. The 28th Nov could be interesting. However this situation has been building for years and I'm in long term. If it happens so be it but physical demand is growing in any case....

ATTACK OF COMEX GOLD & SILVER

Powerful foreign entities are preparing a massive major assault on the US financial corruption, at key spots. All signs seem to point to the gold futures contracts traded at the COMEX and NYMEX, whose prices are routinely suppressed by a high volume of uneconomic short contracts by two to four banks. The COMEX is a division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. A highly leveraged sequence is soon to be unleashed, one that should bring back thoughts of asymmetric attack. Think small cost of a weapon, heavy damage to costly equipment. Something big comes to the gold market, with big angry players! If successful, severe damage will be done to the USDollar. Their goal is to kill the COMEX gold market, the key location for gold price suppression. Major Russian, Chinese, Arab, and European bankers and billionaires are angry beyond words. The giant portion of gold vaulted resides in Central Europe. A plan is in place. The key here and now is COMEX gold futures contracts, where many big players are demanding delivery for their December contracts. North American investment houses have also targeting them for delivery demands. With newly energized Russia & China building their gold treasures, with Arabs turning from distrusted Western paper and more toward gold & silver, look for the new players to offer support to the primary thrust attacks. If successful, it will be a defining moment in US financial history. The first delivery notice for the December gold contract is given on November 28.

[xpleet]

I think for a person who is aware of the severance of the situation to think of saving one's assets is really selfish.

Let's face it: You can not eat gold, you can't drink it, it's not a medicine and it has only value as long as there is any type of monetary system or currency. Not in a future which leans towards Communism or total enslavement.
Gold gives the illusion of making one independant when it really doesn't, it's just another form of currency that stops existing when trade ends. Noone will take your gold when they need their water and apples for themselves.
Instead, expect real-value items (food, water etc.) to be traded with, if at all.

Bottom line:
Imo, Gold is a trick by the ruling-elite to keep the people from making themselves independant. Every penny spent on gold could be spent for food to supply a couple more people in your bunker or community.

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by xpleet

I think for a person who is aware of the severance of the situation to think of saving one's assets is really selfish.

Let's face it: You can not eat gold, you can't drink it, it's not a medicine and it has only value as long as there is any type of monetary system or currency. Not in a future which leans towards Communism or total enslavement.
Gold gives the illusion of making one independant when it really doesn't, it's just another form of currency that stops existing when trade ends. Noone will take your gold when they need their water and apples for themselves.
Instead, expect real-value items (food, water etc.) to be traded with, if at all.

Bottom line:
Imo, Gold is a trick by the ruling-elite to keep the people from making themselves independant. Every penny spent on gold could be spent for food to supply a couple more people in your bunker or community.

Please read the thread before you comment.

If you'd read the thread, I've already stated that Gold cannot be eaten. You'd also understand that in exiting the paper money system you are taking more control whilst eroding theirs. I actually hoped that this thread was totally unselfish, ie passing on information which I've studied at great length in order to help others.

If you have £100,000 cash sitting around and are willing to see it's 'worth' in the matrix world disappear to nothing, very good.......that's your choice. Real money can be a blessing or a curse and better spread around but it is my reality that I find it useful to exchange for things. I don't grow my own food yet, which I think would be really far more valuable.

If you want to spend it on food, water or philanthropic things, great. I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the rights and wrongs of money. This thread is for people who have money and want to exit the paper money system, whilst retaining buying power.

Bottom line, paper money is the trick, gold is harder to manipulate. I believe that most people suffer the illusion that paper money is in fact real (has worth). This is a scam. In reality the elite do not want Average Joe owning real money. I haven't suggested moving to a bunker.

[icke_is_right]

http://www.richdad.com/RichDad/RichContent.aspx?cpid=75

Listen as Robert, Kim, Kelly and Blair discuss the state of the current economy.Topics such as the Federal bailout plan, the future of the world economy and the best way for you and your family to prepare.

[garyicke]

This Comex default that everyone is talking about

the fact we know must mean it won't happen ?

[tracker]

Originally Posted by size_of_light

I'm seriously looking into this.

Why would silver be worth investing in? If the shit hit the fan, seems to me people would instinctively value gold above anything else. Bullion also seems a bit dodgy. Wouldn't small denomination (for trading) gold coins be the best way to go?

The other thing I'm coming around to is that the best place to park your money if there is a near future meltdown is in longlife food, since if society collapses, food is what you'll need, not money, and food (and water - get a water filter ) is virtually the only thing guaranteed to hold it's value in any possible scenario.

The key seems to be in making the shift from thinking about trading shit, and start thinking about how you can ensure your own basic and real wealth, i.e. food, water, shelter, and survival skills.

If we're honest with ourselves, these are fundamentals that we should safeguard before we worry about anything else.

Common sense.

this is about the truth of it .

all we have to do is think carefully .
if money becomes worthelless , gold can olny be evaluated against money or the euqivelent of .
eventually , if there were market crashes etc etc , gold and silver would not get food .
to deal with gold or silver would probably mean dealing with hardened gangs of criminals or black market .

for a starters , if money became redundant , gold and silver would start being on the end of counterfiet production etc making the market really strict .

i dont trust gold or silver or money .

knowledge is the key , and if you have enough knowledge to ensure your survival in hard hit times , no amount of gold or silver will pay for that .

if money becomes redundant , eventually gold and silver will be worth nothing .

trade for trade or things like that , but gold and silver ?

forget it , it wont be able to get your tummy full and for starters , you would have to meat bad big guys to get that food anyway , and i wouldnt fancy chances doing that .

it seems as though people are not thinking out side the box .

size of light , you seem to be on the right track here , lets hope others listen .

[griswald]

I think ruling out options would not be a wise choice. There is no reason why you can,t do all options. Survival skills, food, gold, silver, and even paper money are all the tools that are going to help you survive.

As its all ifs and buts , and no one knows exactly what may or may not happen, its prudent to be prepared on all fronts.

Fail to plan, and you plan to fail.

griswald

[icke_is_right]

Originally Posted by garyicke

This Comex default that everyone is talking about

the fact we know must mean it won't happen ?

Yes, just like microchipping that everyone is talking about.

A few good people have made this public knowledge with their own time, money and effort. I respect them. The number of people talking about this is growing at a massive rate. I'm glad you're one of them.

www.gata.org

[icke_is_right]

Whilst I don't subscribe to all views in these videos, they do raise interesting points. Depending on your views you'll find some things very interesting in regards to money.


The Crash Course

Do you ever get a nagging feeling that the next 20 years will be nothing like the past 20 years for you and your family?

If you feel this way give your 6th sense a pat on the back because scientific evidence just backed up your feelings.

We just ran across the work of Chris Martenson, PhD as he tackles what the future holds. We think it is well worth your time to take a look. In fact here is what Michael Maloney had to say about it:

"Watching these videos may very well be one of the most important things someone can do in their lifetime."

No kidding. You will want to watch this in its entirety.

The videos can be found here:

http://goldsilver.com/crash_course.p...id=29&cat_id=6

[psych641]

http://www.coininvestdirect.com/

1oz silver coins from £12 (including UK tax)

Are these prices reasonably competitive? The buy/sell margin does look a bit wide (?) but they take payment without too much pissing about & deliver fairly fast (postage is £11 or so)

[icke_is_right]

1kg Kookaburra look better value. I might go for a few of these myself. I think the 1oz coins are expensive but I'm having trouble getting more at £10 each. (Germany).

Wack in the 1kg to ebay and see what people are asking/getting.

For the maths:

http://www.metric-conversions.org/we...roy-ounces.htm

[icke_is_right]

http://goldsilver.com/crash_course.p...=6&video_id=40

Chapter 11 of the Crash Course is a fascinating fact. I like the way he enables the viewer to visualise how much cash this is.

3.28 min video.