Are Satan and Lucifer the same entity?

[xpleet]

This is an esoteric question, considering "Satan" a real being.

Some say that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings. Others (like the Freemasons) believe 'Lucifer' to be the creator of the Universe (who is usually called Yahweh) but then there is the saying of that "Satan has many names".

[marpat]

Originally Posted by xpleet

This is an esoteric question, considering "Satan" a real being.

Some say that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings. Others (like the Freemasons) believe 'Lucifer' to be the creator of the Universe (who is usually called Yahweh) but then there is the saying of that "Satan has many names".

Lucifer is the light bringer, associated with Venus as it rises just before the morning sun. It is lucifuge which is the real baddy.

Read the book of Job and you will find satan actually tests peoples wouls with Gods permission.

[mynameis]

Lucifer was a king of Babylon and probably a king in hell. Satan is supposed to be an angel, but I think its a made up belief describing the lower base nature of human greed, desire, and cruelty. The Puritans believed that Satan is imbued in all the material world, i.e. everything we sense is an aspect of Satan. Every soul was predestined by God according to the Calvanists. Both are too F*ed up a way to live.

[cruise4]

The Lucifer, Lightbringer Freemason stuff.... and then we have the Lightworker etc. stuff.

How can Lightworkers not be as freemasons and how can freemasons not be as Lightworkers?

I don't get it. Can anyone explain how it's not the same system in either case?

(I found it hard to formulate the question. If I say opposing sides I risk getting a duality response etc. But the suggestion is there. I just can't make sense out of these two sides because they are only one side. It makes no sense to me. What is going on?).

[xpleet]

Originally Posted by cruise4

The Lucifer, Lightbringer Freemason stuff.... and then we have the Lightworker etc. stuff.

How can Lightworkers not be as freemasons and how can freemasons not be as Lightworkers?

I don't get it. Can anyone explain how it's not the same system in either case?

(I found it hard to formulate the question. If I say opposing sides I risk getting a duality response etc. But the suggestion is there. I just can't make sense out of these two sides because they are only one side. It makes no sense to me. What is going on?).

The light of freemasonry is really darkness in disguise. That's the difference. They are worshipping the false-light.

[lottie]

Two Sides at War: Good and Evil
The high priest spoke to us of a ‘Great Controversy’ going on between the forces of good and evil, i.e. between Christ and Satan. At times he would instead use the name, Lucifer. In fact he mentioned Lucifer a lot of times, but there were other times when he used the name of Satan in referring to the master. However, in most cases the high priest preferred to refer to this supernatural being as “the master, or great master”. These people always praised Lucifer, for he is a super-intelligent being who is beautiful to behold, and if he ever appears to you, you won’t be able to look upon him because he’d be too bright, he’d just ruin your vision. [Note: Lucifer was this angel’s name before he and his angelic co-conspirators fell. This name was originally given by the Creator to this powerful angel, and has the beautiful meaning of “light bearer – a son of the morning”. Scripture identifies Lucifer as a former covering Cherub, meaning he was the highest of the entire host of angels. Satan is the post-fall name now ascribed to the same being; it simply means “adversary” or “enemy”.]

http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm

[cruise4]

"The light of freemasonry is really darkness in disguise. That's the difference. They are worshipping the false-light."

Thanks for attempting an answer but how do you disguise dark as light exactly? I can discern no meaning in your answer. What is a false light?

[friendship]

lucifer is a title of the goddess Venus, meaning the light bearer, who carries the light as the evening and morning star (planet named after her 'star' venus).
book of revelation later associated Jesus with the dawn star (last book of bible, book of revelation chapter 22 verse 16. which in one version ran explicitly 'I jesus christ am lucifer' (usually 'morning star')

where as satan is described differently and not associsted with that star, but with a falling star or comet, a dragon, lion and serpent-of-old.

no connection

[mynameis]

Originally Posted by lottie

http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm

What do you know about this context? I believe this is the earliest reference to Lucifer? This would also be in context with Venus, the morning star, the king of babylon or tyre, Satan, and phosphorus...

The Latin Vulgate version of the Bible used this word twice to refer to the Morning Star: once in 2 Peter 1:19 to translate the Greek word "Φωσφόρος" (Phosphoros), which has exactly the same literal meaning of "Light-Bringer" that "Lucifer" has in Latin; and once in Isaiah 14:12 to translate "הילל" (Hêlēl), which also means "Morning Star". In the latter passage the title of "Morning Star" is given to the tyrannous Babylonian king, who the prophet says is destined to fall. This passage was later applied to the prince of the demons, and so the name "Lucifer" came to be used for Satan, and was popularized in works such as Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost, but for English speakers the greatest influence has been its use in the King James Version (more modern English versions translate the term as "Morning Star" or "Day Star").

A similar passage in Ezekiel 28:11-19 regarding the king of Tyre was also applied to Satan, contributing to the traditional picture of Satan and his fall.

[tracker]

Originally Posted by xpleet

This is an esoteric question, considering "Satan" a real being.

Some say that Lucifer and Satan are two different beings. Others (like the Freemasons) believe 'Lucifer' to be the creator of the Universe (who is usually called Yahweh) but then there is the saying of that "Satan has many names".

NO ! They are not the same enterty even though many religious people are trained to make them think that they are .
i have learned one thing when i used to be religiouse and it is this .

Dont interperate the bible in anyway , just read it and take what it says .


this means , that when you read words like - the beast - or - the devil - or satan - it is important to understand that they have been named differently not because of the different languages , but because they are different enterties .

after all , Job is different from John is different from Jesus is different from Jesabbell is different from Jerusalem etc .

although many blind and easily lead people are trained to see what their leaders or spokesmen want them to see , if they learned to read it and understand that the words are different for a good reason , a clearer understanding emerges .

rather like the anti christ , he too is far different from lucifer and the devil .

it is the anti christ that is the main player , when he comes here ( according to religion ) then the shit really will hit the fan .

otherwise im in agreement with a lot of other people here .
the devil is not lucifer and so on .

[arthas6014]

People, have you ever read ''morals and dogma'' by Albert Pike?
Author of this topic said that freemasonry interprets them as multiple beings...
Gosh, read please the third chapter of this book. Was it in the second half now...

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Hi expleet:

I'm in the: They are the same Being Camp. this is why:

Satan means adversary accuser. HaSatan is THE ACCUSER, THE ADVERSARY; THE DEVIL.

So Satan is a generic quality of character, there are numerous Satans(adversarys) in the Bible, only one is a Super Natural Being.

here is some solid info on that regard:
http://www.karaitejudaism.org/talks/..._the_Snake.htm

The word Lucifer was ADDED to the Old Testament TEXTs; A Roman, Latin word amongst the Hebrew.

Use a Bible Concordance Searcg Engine for Hebrew and Greek words.

Because Lucifer is a common usage in Bibles, you can enter this Latin word into the Hebrew search engine. Checkout the results. 'Lucifer' Leads to Hebrew Root Word #1984

search engines: http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

Results: http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strong...sindex=lucifer

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strong...n&isindex=1984

notice definition of word 1984: 'given in marriage'; this, another Isayah Verse; Ezekiel 28 provides explicit info: the covering cherub is an Annointed Position of Minister with direct access, alongside YHWH upholding His Laws. The whole chapter provides compelling evidence Hillal(1984) is YHWHs wife/consort. The chapter starts out like YHWH is speaking to the King/Prince of Tyre, but successive verses inform you this is a metaphor. YHWH says: ' You were there in Eden!' The King/Prince of Tyre was not in Eden.
Many other clues in that one chapter. She is also known as The Queen of Heaven, Ashera; Astarte, Lucifer, Venus.......many, many names and appellations, also has mpst of the world thinking she is a male. lol

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/m/m...gelo/tempt.jpg

http://www.bnaiavraham.net/teaching_...tan_part_2.htm

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Heavy Subject expleet. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2701.htm
I Highlighted the Tetragrammaton-YHWH

ו וַיְהִי הַיּוֹם--וַיָּבֹאוּ בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים, לְהִתְיַצֵּב עַל יְהוָה; וַיָּבוֹא גַם הַשָּׂטָן, בְּתוֹכָם. 6 Now it fell upon a day, that the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
ז וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל הַשָּׂטָן, מֵאַיִן תָּבֹא; וַיַּעַן הַשָּׂטָן אֶת יְהוָה, וַיֹּאמַר, מִשּׁוּט בָּאָרֶץ, וּמֵהִתְהַלֵּךְ בָּהּ. 7 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered the LORD, and said: 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'
ח וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל הַשָּׂטָן, הֲשַׂמְתָּ לִבְּךָ עַל עַבְדִּי אִיּוֹב: כִּי אֵין כָּמֹהוּ בָּאָרֶץ, אִישׁ תָּם וְיָשָׁר יְרֵא אֱלֹהִים וְסָר מֵרָע. 8 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered My servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil?'
ט וַיַּעַן הַשָּׂטָן אֶת יְהוָה, וַיֹּאמַר: הַחִנָּם, יָרֵא אִיּוֹב אֱלֹהִים. 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said: 'Doth Job fear God for nought?
י הֲלֹא את (אַתָּה) שַׂכְתָּ בַעֲדוֹ וּבְעַד בֵּיתוֹ, וּבְעַד כָּל אֲשֶׁר לוֹ--מִסָּבִיב: מַעֲשֵׂה יָדָיו בֵּרַכְתָּ, וּמִקְנֵהוּ פָּרַץ בָּאָרֶץ. 10 Hast not Thou made a hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions are increased in the land.

[ianw]

Originally Posted by cruise4

"The light of freemasonry is really darkness in disguise. That's the difference. They are worshipping the false-light."

Thanks for attempting an answer but how do you disguise dark as light exactly? I can discern no meaning in your answer. What is a false light?

FALSE-light bollocks put every frequency in the spectrum together, you get PURE WHITE . dont try taking a frequency out of the rainbow.Do you have anybody in your family that you just cant see eye to eye with? if so would you sleep tight thinking they may be burning in hell. think about it long enough and may be you choose a full as it can be rainbow.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by mynameis

Lucifer was a king of Babylon and probably a king in hell. Satan is supposed to be an angel, but I think its a made up belief describing the lower base nature of human greed, desire, and cruelty. The Puritans believed that Satan is imbued in all the material world, i.e. everything we sense is an aspect of Satan. Every soul was predestined by God according to the Calvanists. Both are too F*ed up a way to live.

How can Lucifer be a Babylonian king if the name is Latin? doesnt really make sense does it.

[marpat]

Originally Posted by arthas6014

People, have you ever read ''morals and dogma'' by Albert Pike?
Author of this topic said that freemasonry interprets them as multiple beings...
Gosh, read please the third chapter of this book. Was it in the second half now...

That is the book he wrote before becoming a freemason is it not, when he was not really writing from the inside?

[terrorble1]

I thought lucifer was the fallen angel, ie the human race before the fall.

[eternal_spirit]

A plan was hatched thousands of years ago to take over the world. The rabbis claim it was about 4 - 4,500 BC that this "great plan" came down, as they called it, and was set into motion. The Greeks said the same thing and therefore the reference to Prometheus (Greek deity same as Lucifer is) is a symbol of this great light or plan coming down to the high initiates who had put it into motion; and they hoped to have it all in place by what they called the Age of Aquarius, which we are now entering into now. The Age of Aquarius they said for the people it would be a sign of peace, love and understanding. Of course, the elites knew it for its deeper meaning, which is: as Aquarius throws out the old water from his bowl, it's the sea of life he's talking about.



It's the gene pool and of course the old man gets thrown out as they bring in the new. That's what it really means and we are living at that time when we're about to embark upon the next phase, which can be introduced very easily, they're ready to do it, of enhancing genes as they say and then giving us a completely cloned human being – who they will say is much superior intellectually and otherwise.

They are creating what the Christians would call "the anti-Christ" you might say, someone who believes he's god-like and he certainly will have an incredible intelligence. He'll be charming enough to fool most people and because the media will build them up to this stardom status, the public will believe that they should follow this guy, this guy has got all the answers, but there won't be just one of them. There will be many of them and unfortunately the public generally fall for the massive propaganda when they create this type of "superman" you might call it, so be aware that this is all underway.



World meetings have been held over many years about this very time that we're living in and the strategies were all laid down. Thousands of think tanks work on them all the time and we are about to see it come into effect and we are about to take the brunt and we are the ones who have to be able to speak out and inform those who are uninformed as to what's really going on; so it's not all black or hopeless. There are people out there who do understand what must be said openly and we must also accept there will be a backlash against anyone who can put over their knowledge to those who have none. This will definitely come.

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...May302005.html