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Old 12-11-2008, 08:41 PM   #1
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Question How do we 'hear' thoughts?

Forgive me if this is not the right place for this thread. And forgive me if I come off as naive and scientifically inept.



"How am I 'hearing' these very thoughts that I am having right now?"

If what we hear with our ears is response to our environmental stimuli, and others too can hear these things for these sounds exist....

How is it that I very well, without a doubt 'hear,' in my head...thoughts and songs stuck in my head... but without aid of my ears?

For if I could not 'hear' these thoughts myself, they would not exist. But they do exist because I can 'hear' them.

But no one else can 'hear' these thoughts. I'm certain your ears only pick up outside stimuli and your ears respond to this stimulus by registering these sounds as being 'heard'...

BUT HOW DO WE 'HEAR' our own thoughts and how is it a song can just play in our head as real as if we were listening to it on the radio without the aide of our ears?


Crazy people hear things no one else can hear, so they are labeled as 'CRAZY' but those very people that call these people insane, must know, they too, hear voices. Albiet these voices may be their own and not someone else, but they must realize they can't be so quick to call these people 'CRAZY' when they too, are hearing things that are not 'real' on a daily basis.

I really don't know how to say this in an articulated, scientific way, but do you get what I'm trying to convey to you???

Can anyone offer any explanation?
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The 4th dimension is inside the 3rd dimension…

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same way as we see memories, visions etc
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Old 12-11-2008, 10:51 PM   #5
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Telepathy is a skill possesed by all humans whether they know it or not its nice however when people become fully aware of this concept. We are pure spirits not these bodys that we have been imprisioned into trapped in the physical limited by it and bound to it untill we die.

Try reaching out to others close to you with your mind and to your pets too develop and open the mind you wont regret it.

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Old 12-11-2008, 10:55 PM   #7
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This question has baffled me for years. It drove me mad 'hearing' songs inside my head and not by my ears.
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Old 12-11-2008, 10:56 PM   #8
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Default like others said, its just a programmed function

i can imagine that certain insects can not think about something that is not happening in their exact presence at the exact time, so lacking the ability to think about past and future.

but other lifeforms such as dogs, they can.
if they haven't seen their owner in a while, or their pups...
they start to miss them.

so dogs can certainly "think" too.
humans obviously have one of the more advanced EGO of lifeforms on earth.



so "how" do we "hear" our thoughts?

what is "we"... what is "I" ?
i think it is simply the ego.
we are the ego.
we are the experience of "i am this body".

the nerves in the flesh, the eyes and other organs
give impulses to the brain

and the ego brings order out of chaos,
organizes all impulse and makes sure everything is witnessed
from the centerpoint... ITSELF.



without ego, the body lacks intelligence and cannot survive in this world.
we are that intelligence.
we are the ego.

we are programmed to experience ourself as the body.
the sense of "I" is very tightly interwoven with "the body".
it's not the most easy thing in the world to seperate the sense of "I" with "I am the body".



the way we "hear" our thoughts

is not really much different from how we feel, see,
or hear things that are happening in the "real world".

it's just a function that was programmed (or that evolved) into "us"
(the egos that we are)

to be able to virtually imagine (imaginary experience) something something that happened in the past... or how something would happen in the future;
helps us to make more intelligent decisions in the present moment.


which is beneficial for the survival of the body.
the survival of the body is beneficial to the happiness of the species.

and usually the the survival of the animals and insects,
helps the plantworld to survive too.

plants help animal & insect,
animal & insect helps plant.

spreading seeds and stuff
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An intresting question. Another thing to think about, is imagine you never learnt to speak? or use language. How would you think at all?
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It's because what you hear with your ears is fake and what you hear inside your head is (atleast more) real.
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The internal dialogue I have going on when I'm thinking about things is normally in my own voice tones but I can for instance read your post and hear the words in my head, changing the voice into someone else's. Such as a women's voice or that of a comedian or politician I've heard. I was just experimenting with jane horrocks voice then.

I bet with practice, its possible to improve the definition of the thought sounds and visions. Creative visualisation and thought is a complete field in its self which can be extremely powerful if mastered from what I understand.
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An intresting question. Another thing to think about, is imagine you never learnt to speak? or use language. How would you think at all?
Thats very true and when we do learn to speak, the words we use are given to us so if we think using words, those thoughts can only occur within certain boundaries not of our creating.

I can recommend this thread - :

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40754

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"How am I 'hearing' these very thoughts that I am having right now?"

If what we hear with our ears is response to our environmental stimuli, and others too can hear these things for these sounds exist....

How is it that I very well, without a doubt 'hear,' in my head...thoughts and songs stuck in my head... but without aid of my ears?

For if I could not 'hear' these thoughts myself, they would not exist. But they do exist because I can 'hear' them.

But no one else can 'hear' these thoughts. I'm certain your ears only pick up outside stimuli and your ears respond to this stimulus by registering these sounds as being 'heard'...

BUT HOW DO WE 'HEAR' our own thoughts and how is it a song can just play in our head as real as if we were listening to it on the radio without the aide of our ears?


Crazy people hear things no one else can hear, so they are labeled as 'CRAZY' but those very people that call these people insane, must know, they too, hear voices. Albiet these voices may be their own and not someone else, but they must realize they can't be so quick to call these people 'CRAZY' when they too, are hearing things that are not 'real' on a daily basis.

I really don't know how to say this in an articulated, scientific way, but do you get what I'm trying to convey to you???

Can anyone offer any explanation?

This may be a step towards answering some of your questions Lindsay...

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The pineal gland is occasionally associated with the sixth chakra (also called Ajna or the third eye chakra in yoga). It is believed by some to be a dormant organ that can be awakened to enable "telepathic" communication.

But the human body has another physical eye whose function has long been recognized by humanity. It is called the 'Third Eye' which in reality is the Pineal Gland. It is long thought to have mystical powers. Many consider it the Spiritual Third Eye, our Inner Vision.

The true function of this mysterious gland has long been contemplated by philosophers and Spiritual Adepts. Ancient Greeks believed the pineal gland to be our connection to the Realms of Thought.

Rene Descartes called it the Seat of the Soul, believing it is unique in the anatomy of the human brain in being a structure not duplicated on the right and left sides. This observation is not true, however; under a microscope one finds the pineal gland is divided into two fine hemispheres.

This gland is activated by Light, and it controls the various biorhythms of the body. It works in harmony with the hypothalamus gland which directs the body's thirst, hunger, sexual desire and the biological clock that determines our aging process.

While the physiological function of the pineal gland has been unknown until recent times, mystical traditions and esoteric schools have long known this area in the middle of the brain to be the connecting link between the physical and spiritual worlds. Considered the most powerful and highest source of ethereal energy available to humans, the pineal gland has always been important in initiating supernatural powers. Development of psychic talents has been closely associated with this organ of higher vision.

There is a link between schizophrenia and the pineal gland. The main issue with schizo's is thier brains can't "shut-off" and are known notoriously for insomnia. The condition is caused by unavailability of the pineal hormone Melatonin. Its like the pineal gland is stuck "switched on" like being on a trip 24/7.

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There is a pathway from the retinas to the hypothalamus called the retinohypothalamic tract. It brings information about light and dark cycles to a region of the hypothalamus called the suprachiasmatic nucleus(SCN). From the SCN, nerve impulses travel via the pineal nerve (sympathetic nervous system) to the pineal gland. These impulses inhibit the production of melatonin. When these impulses stop (at night, when light no longer stimulates the hypothalamus), pineal inhibition ceases and melatonin is released. The pineal gland is therefore a photosensitive organ and an important timekeeper for the human body.

Full Article here



David Wilcock talks in depth about the Pineal Gland in his 2012 lecture (below).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...48613711060908
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You don't hear thoughts in your head like ears hear sound. Thoughts are merely conceptual and pop in and out of your consciousness at will.
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Old 13-11-2008, 04:54 AM   #15
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I remember watching a true life episode on mtv of a deaf kid and he was obviouslly an 'on' person. Makes you wonder what he says to himself. It baffles me how we can hear other people's thoughts. It just came out of nowhere last year where i started hearing people communicate intellectually. Really at times I wish I couldn't because fools could be hurtful. Thats not surprising to hear insomnia and schitzo go hand and hand. You think it's a bad thing to meditate or be 'on' constanly?
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You think it's a bad thing to meditate or be 'on' constanly?
I think being "on" as you put it and meditation are two different things. Meditation is a relaxed state of mind, free of tension like a conscious sleep, so i'd think that at least some Melatonin would be released to from the Pineal Gland to calm the brain.

IMO opinion having the Pineal Gland "stuck on" would be a bad thing. Our bodys and minds need rest to re-charge the batteries...
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Thanks so much for your replies! Really, thank you. You all have such great input and I cannot help but to feel warmth and good vibes knowing all of us have dedicated a small portion of our days to question something such as how we hear thoughts.


I was wondering...

What would our thoughts sound like if we were not surrounded by the sound of 'words' since the day we were born?

In other words, if we had no language at all--whatsoever, as we grew up, what would the thoughts that played inside our heads sound like?

Just curious because I can't really fathom or imagine such a concept.


Forgive me if someone has already posted a comment about this...

Thanks guys!!!!

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You don't hear thoughts in your head like ears hear sound. Thoughts are merely conceptual and pop in and out of your consciousness at will.
That seems to be what is happening... but what I wish to know is how this is happening.

It's the same as seeing memories or envisioning our futures and seeing/experiencing dreams.

So... basically I have learned today that we all 'see'/'hear' things that are not 'real' but that do 'exist'.

And that makes me think now that our bodies are in fact tools we need in order to navigate ourselves, or 'survive' on this planet, in this dimension.

Oy veh

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Forgive me if this is not the right place for this thread. And forgive me if I come off as naive and scientifically inept.



"How am I 'hearing' these very thoughts that I am having right now?"

If what we hear with our ears is response to our environmental stimuli, and others too can hear these things for these sounds exist....

How is it that I very well, without a doubt 'hear,' in my head...thoughts and songs stuck in my head... but without aid of my ears?

For if I could not 'hear' these thoughts myself, they would not exist. But they do exist because I can 'hear' them.

But no one else can 'hear' these thoughts. I'm certain your ears only pick up outside stimuli and your ears respond to this stimulus by registering these sounds as being 'heard'...

BUT HOW DO WE 'HEAR' our own thoughts and how is it a song can just play in our head as real as if we were listening to it on the radio without the aide of our ears?


Crazy people hear things no one else can hear, so they are labeled as 'CRAZY' but those very people that call these people insane, must know, they too, hear voices. Albiet these voices may be their own and not someone else, but they must realize they can't be so quick to call these people 'CRAZY' when they too, are hearing things that are not 'real' on a daily basis.

I really don't know how to say this in an articulated, scientific way, but do you get what I'm trying to convey to you???

Can anyone offer any explanation?
This fellow may have your answers http://www.julianjaynes.org/

According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state would function in a manner similar to that of a modern-day schizophrenic. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person would hallucinate a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands, and obey these voices without question. Others have argued that this state of mind is recreated in members of cults.[3]

In his 1976 work The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, Julian Jaynes proposed that human brains existed in a bicameral state until as recently as 3000 years ago. Jaynes builds a case for this hypothesis by citing evidence from many diverse sources including historical literature. He took an interdisciplinary approach, drawing data from many different fields.[4]

Jaynes asserts that until roughly the times written about in Homer's Iliad, humans did not generally have the self-awareness characteristic of consciousness as most people experience it today. Rather, Jaynes argued that the bicameral individual was guided by mental commands believed to be issued by external "gods"—the commands which were so often recorded in ancient myths, legends and historical accounts; these commands were however emanating from individuals' own minds. This is exemplified not only in the commands given to characters in ancient epics but also the very muses of Greek mythology which "sang" the poems: Jaynes argues that while later interpretations see the muses as a simple personification of creative inspiration, the ancients literally heard muses as the direct source of their music and poetry.

Jaynes inferred that these "voices" came from the right brain counterparts of the left brain language centres—specifically, the counterparts to Wernicke's area and Broca's area. These regions are somewhat dormant in the right brains of most modern humans, but Jaynes noted that some studies show that auditory hallucinations correspond to increased activity in these areas of the brain.[4]


Breakdown of bicameralism
Jaynes theorized that a shift from bicameralism marked the beginning of introspection and consciousness as we know it today. According to Jaynes, this bicameral mentality began malfunctioning or "breaking down" during the second millennium BC. He speculates that primitive ancient societies tended to collapse periodically (as in Egypt's Old Kingdom and the periodically vanishing cities of the Mayas) due to increased societal complexity that could not be sustained by this bicameral mindset. The mass migrations of the second millennium BC created a rash of unexpected situations and stresses that required ancient minds to become more flexible and creative. Self-awareness, or consciousness, was the culturally evolved solution to this problem. Thus cultural necessity (that of interacting with migrating tribes, or surviving as a member of such) forced humanity to become self-aware or perish. Thus consciousness, like bicamerality, emerged as a neurological adaptation to social complexity.

Jaynes further argues that divination, prayer and oracles arose during this breakdown period, in an attempt to summon instructions from the "gods" whose voices could no longer be heard.[4] The consultation of special bicamerally operative individuals, or of casting lots and so forth, was a response to this loss, a transitional era depicted for example in the book of 1 Samuel. It was also evidenced in children who could communicate with the gods, but as their neurology was set by language and society they gradually lost that ability. Those who continued prophesying, being bicameral according to Jaynes, could be killed.[7][8]

Leftovers of the bicameral mind today, according to Jaynes, include religion, hypnosis, possession, schizophrenia and the general sense of need for external authority in decision-making.
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I can remember when i started 'thinking' with a voice, and immediately realising how inefficient and limiting it was going to make life, but not knowing how to stop & go back to how htings were before.
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