The secret behind “The Secret” is

[eternal_spirit]

Reply to adramelech's post^^^^ This would be the same philosophy and belief system of the ruling elite Brahman priesthood of the Hindu religons Caste system, based on reincarnation, they themselves( the brahman priests)
Consider themselves to be advanced and perfect, those at the bottom of the caste system are vieved and treated with less respect than animal cattle.

This is based on karma and the priests would say you chose to be poor etc, this sick set of beliefs is used as an excuse and can't be proven to be fact, but these sick F*** have used this sick system for thousands of years to control the masses.

An example of the insanity is if a peron falls at the road side, the hindus will not stop to help a sick person because it's considerd to be interfering in that persons free will and they don't want the karma.as if the person if the're dying has chosen to die this way.

[eternal_spirit]

Some say all religon started in India and from this all other religions where formed. It's the same story what ever faith you belong to. Those at the top think they're closer to God than those at the bottom the flock are not an need to be guided by the good sheperd ( evil priesthoods)

Their excuse for the bad things that they the elite make happen would be it's the will of God etc etc yawn!

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by adramelech

A belief system practiced or followed by a significant portion of elite bloodlines, political and religious leaders or the occult schools they subscribe to.

so, is it that the people who practice and follow such belief systems are part of a significant portion of elite bloodlines?

or, is it that a significant portion of elite bloodlines choose a belief system that works for them?

Sponsored, endorsed and fully supported by - since the late 1800s.

were they the only ones who sponsored, endorsed and fully supported it?

Completely self explanatory in what I said. Belief in the Law of Attraction absolves guilt, teaches that the rich, powerful ruling class is there because of the power of their mind working through universal forces and that the poor, victimized, raped and brutalized have attracted their own victimization and death through the same universal force. It is the perfect belief system for an elite psychopath to justify their actions with.

"That child asked to be raped."

this has more esoteric meaning than "that child asked to be raped". it derives from people's beliefs about karma and reincarnation.

and people believe that the LOA is part of the system of karma and reincarnation. it is the belief that says that "a soul seeks to evolve by choosing the experiences that it wishes to learn from".

however i agree with you that it is only a belief.

in·hu·man (ĭn-hyōō'mən) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Lacking kindness, pity, or compassion; cruel.
Deficient in emotional warmth; cold.
Not suited for human needs: an inhuman environment.
Not of ordinary human form; monstrous.

ok, i didn't ask that, let me rephrase: "what do you mean that they are inhuman"? who is "they"?

let me give you an example.

you give an axe to a human and another axe to an inhuman.

the human, takes the axe and chops wood to build him a house.

the inhuman, takes the axe and waits until the human has chopped his wood, then chops the human's head off and steals the wood.

is the axe an 'elite' tool used only by the inhuman 'elite'?

This is an elaborate way of denying negativity. Pretending that everything is "as it should be" or that there is no evil in the world and that their persecuters are just doing what they are meant to do is a very common coping mechanism for hostages or victims of abuse. It takes a strong will to confront something head-on.

so are you suggesting that they should instead accept negativity, pretend that everything is "not as it should be", that there's evil in the world (somewhere) and that their persecutors are not doing what they are meant to do?

i'm just trying to understand here. i am not promoting or demoting LOA, i am looking for the truth behind it. what you are saying is interesting, but it kinda doesn't add up.

No, actually, nothing I said implied anything like that. I simply quoted a well-known verse on the dangers of denying negative energy.

ok, can you explain to me, what do you mean exactly by "denying negative energy". how can someone deny negative energy?

Are you done asking pedantic questions and sloppily trying to manipulate my words now? Go manifest yourself a kitten.

i am not doing that, that's your point of view, maybe shows the real you, you decide. i am simply asking simple questions. you don't have to reply if you feel insulted.

go manifest yourself a turd

[adramelech]

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

so, is it that the people who practice and follow such belief systems are part of a significant portion of elite bloodlines?

or, is it that a significant portion of elite bloodlines choose a belief system that works for them?

The latter.

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

were they the only ones who sponsored, endorsed and fully supported it?

No.

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

this has more esoteric meaning than "that child asked to be raped". it derives from people's beliefs about karma and reincarnation.

and people believe that the LOA is part of the system of karma and reincarnation. it is the belief that says that "a soul seeks to evolve by choosing the experiences that it wishes to learn from".

Right. So a child asks to be raped so that their soul can learn from it. Wonderful belief system.

And most people being duped by The Secret haven't the slightest clue that they are buying into cult beliefs stemming from elite/caste-based Eastern mysticism or Blavatskian New Age Thought, they are buying into it (and I do mean BUYING) because they want to think they can manifest a new house by thinking about it. The Secret works on very simple psychological tricks and typical cult recruiting. It can be broken down to a basic level.

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

ok, i didn't ask that

Actually, that's exactly what you asked, but go on.

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus
what do you mean "inhuman by definition"?

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

you give an axe to a human and another axe to an inhuman.

the human, takes the axe and chops wood to build him a house.

the inhuman, takes the axe and waits until the human has chopped his wood, then chops the human's head off and steals the wood.

is the axe an 'elite' tool used only by the inhuman 'elite'?

Typical LOA analogy - they usually use electricity. The answer is no, obviously.

These analogies are poor because The Secret is not a tool, it's a belief system. The Secret is not the axe, The Secret is the belief that the guy who got his head chopped off manifested and attracted his own murder by thinking about it and that the power of his murderer's desires to kill led him to a willing victim. And of course the guy needed to be decapitated so his soul could learn from the experience of being killed by a psychopath. His killer is actually a saviour!

How any sane person could defend a belief system like this is beyond me. But people don't think this far. They stop at "Alright, I can be a millionaire if I just THINK REAL HARD!"

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

so are you suggesting that they should instead accept negativity, pretend that everything is "not as it should be", that there's evil in the world (somewhere) and that their persecutors are not doing what they are meant to do?

There's no belief necessary to accept reality as self evident. There is positive and negative, humane and inhumane actions, love and hate, fear and freedom. Bad things happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". Good thinigs happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". The belief that one's self is the center of the universe or one's mind/soul has a demonstratable outcome on chance events or predestination is a well documented cognitive bias, usually steeped in depression, desperation, longing or victimization as well as delusions of grandeur. Some people truly want to believe that they could fly through the air if they just thought about it hard enough - it captures the imagination. However, no belief is necessary to observe that they cannot.

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

ok, can you explain to me, what do you mean exactly by "denying negative energy". how can someone deny negative energy?

You can deny negativity by accepting a belief system which tells you that rape, murder, theft, wars, accidents, explosions, kidnapping and disease are all actually good things because they were "meant to be" or are teaching souls a lesson. Belief in this is usually evident in grieving parents for example - it's comforting to imagine that their son that got run over by a truck was really just "manifesting a learning experience for his soul" and it helps take the sting away from the realization that bad shit happens in the world. However, most people learn to let go of this delusion after a time.

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

i am not doing that, that's your point of view, maybe shows the real you, you decide. i am simply asking simple questions. you don't have to reply if you feel insulted.

Actually, you're doing exactly that. Nitpicking a post and asking what the meaning of words are is the definition of pedantic posting. It's like when Clinton said "Depends on what your definition of "is" is." A message board is an exchange of ideas, not an interrogation room where you quote someone sentence by sentence and ask them what they meant by it. That doesn't even make sense. Imagine if I replied to you in that way? You would have nothing to reply to.

Here, this is for you.


...



*thinks*






*DESIRES AND IMAGINES REALLY HARD*





*THINKS*






*pop*



I did it!

[thirdwave]

I have just started reading a book called "Path of empowerment" by "Barbara Marciniak"

I find her very interesting and resonate with what she puts out...

bellow is a piece taken from the book which I thought was very interesting and relates and little to this debate...



"The Current Fashion in Western civilization promotes doubters and skeptics who are recognized and rewarded for their worrisome speculations. And because of an ancient ingrained fear of body and its wisdom, people can no longer tell the difference between what they are told is the truth and what makes sense to them. This collective denial has now achieved a critical mass. and ages of emotionally toxic debris are raising to the surface to be identified and safely released. From a bigger picture of reality, the people of earth are emerging from an amnesiac-like state of collective shock. which has blocked the influx of spiritual knowledge into the human gene pool. And while it is quite obvious to many that "You create your reality" and vast majority of humans still need to be awakened from the unconsciously controlled trance of powerlessness that they voluntarily took on"

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by adramelech

The latter.

and are they successful with manifestation?

Right. So a child asks to be raped so that their soul can learn from it. Wonderful belief system.

well, i don't like it neither if you care about my opinion.

And most people being duped by The Secret haven't the slightest clue that they are buying into cult beliefs stemming from elite/caste-based Eastern mysticism or Blavatskian New Age Thought, they are buying into it (and I do mean BUYING) because they want to think they can manifest a new house by thinking about it. The Secret works on very simple psychological tricks and typical cult recruiting. It can be broken down to a basic level.

i agree with this.

These analogies are poor because The Secret is not a tool, it's a belief system. The Secret is not the axe, The Secret is the belief that the guy who got his head chopped off manifested and attracted his own murder by thinking about it and that the power of his murderer's desires to kill led him to a willing victim. And of course the guy needed to be decapitated so his soul could learn from the experience of being killed by a psychopath. His killer is actually a saviour!

that's one way to view it. i don't disagree.. but there is another point of view too, which is this:

the human was using the secret to "manifest" his house, while the other used it to "manifest" his own house, by imposing his will to another, thus breaking another universal law, that goes together in the pack with the LOA in such belief systems.

therefore such belief systems, that have to do with law and order, have also to do with the socio political status of the people who have them.

this would be like, the "western" application of the same principle.

the "eastern" would be the one you are talking about, the "justice" of "karma".

do you believe any of that? i don't.

How any sane person could defend a belief system like this is beyond me. But people don't think this far. They stop at "Alright, I can be a millionaire if I just THINK REAL HARD!"

well said.

There's no belief necessary to accept reality as self evident. There is positive and negative, humane and inhumane actions, love and hate, fear and freedom. Bad things happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". Good thinigs happen to people and they didn't necessarily "manifest it". The belief that one's self is the center of the universe or one's mind/soul has a demonstratable outcome on chance events or predestination is a well documented cognitive bias, usually steeped in depression, desperation, longing or victimization as well as delusions of grandeur. Some people truly want to believe that they could fly through the air if they just thought about it hard enough - it captures the imagination. However, no belief is necessary to observe that they cannot.

well said

You can deny negativity by accepting a belief system which tells you that rape, murder, theft, wars, accidents, explosions, kidnapping and disease are all actually good things because they were "meant to be" or are teaching souls a lesson. Belief in this is usually evident in grieving parents for example - it's comforting to imagine that their son that got run over by a truck was really just "manifesting a learning experience for his soul" and it helps take the sting away from the realization that bad shit happens in the world. However, most people learn to let go of this delusion after a time.

i agree with that. however, are there things that are by definition "bad" and other that are by definition "good"? what is good and what is bad?

i know that these are fundamental questions and have no answer.

but the problem is, that we are eventually going to arrive to a point, where we will believe we have to judge some thing and that we are the highest authority ever possible to do that. or not?

Actually, you're doing exactly that. Nitpicking a post and asking what the meaning of words are is the definition of pedantic posting. It's like when Clinton said "Depends on what your definition of "is" is." A message board is an exchange of ideas, not an interrogation room where you quote someone sentence by sentence and ask them what they meant by it. That doesn't even make sense. Imagine if I replied to you in that way? You would have nothing to reply to.

dude, you got lots of definitions. that's nice. lol

Here, this is for you.


...



*thinks*






*DESIRES AND IMAGINES REALLY HARD*





*THINKS*






*pop*



I did it!

congratulations!

[adramelech]

Truly wise words from the woman who channels aliens from the Pleiades.

Telling someone that they are a Perfect Golden God and all they have to do to realize it is buy your book series, DVD, audio tapes and lectures is, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book. It appeals to pure ego.

[thirdwave]

Originally Posted by adramelech

Truly wise words from the woman who channels aliens from the Pleiades.

may sound crazy to you, but not to me.... I belive in chaneling %100.. I judge the tree by the fruit.

I thought that section was bang on....

So I take it you don't believe in telepathy?... even though we are talking to people around the world by hitting buttons on a little box and screen... and can send text messages and talk to people using little phones connected to "nothing"....... ahh but that's all "real" stuff and all ok....

not that i dont think there are bullshiters out there... but if we were to paint them all with 1 brush then we would be very easy to manipulate would we not?

Telling someone that they are a Perfect Golden God and all they have to do to realize it is buy your book series, DVD, audio tapes and lectures is, quite literally, the oldest trick in the book. It appeals to pure ego.

mmm its such a shame money allways has to come into it and how people judge so much, to me it seems money cleary is the master of your life...... if there is somthing of interest to you ..then by it... if not then dont.... , im sure many people get sucked into stuff... does this mean its all rubbish??, again i feel this makes one very easy to control by you know who.... I paid for this book..not because i want to know im a "golden god".. but because from what i have heard of her stuff it makes sence to me and I am inspired by it... Again it has nothing to do with Ego.... looking for self empowerment and self respect is healthy and everyone should be doing it.

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by thirdwave

So I take it you don't believe in telepathy?... even though we are talking to people around the world by hitting buttons on a little box and screen... and can send text messages and talk to people using little phones connected to "nothing"....... ahh but that's all "real" stuff and all ok....

telepathy is an "inner" form of communication, although i don't believe in "inner" and "outer" as real. the idea is, that someone away from us and totally separate, is somehow sending us messages of various forms. then the question is, who is this someone?

then we have to see what we are taking for granted here and that there are many options that we can choose to believe.

for example, i can say that "the reptilians, are impersonating the pleiadians and use advanced technology to channel it to certain people with certain perception". and it would make sense.

i could also say that "the nwo have equipment capable to transform such messages to any one they choose" and it would make sense.

i could say that "everything springs from the mind of mrs marciniak, having read and bought in those books, such as the ra and seth material, which was "channeled" material" and it would make sense.

i could say that "there is no other possible way of communication for the pleiadians, having no intention to freak us out and panic" and that would make sense too.

which one is it?

[seanx]

And most people being duped by The Secret haven't the slightest clue that they are buying into cult beliefs stemming from elite/caste-based Eastern mysticism or Blavatskian New Age Thought, they are buying into it (and I do mean BUYING) because they want to think they can manifest a new house by thinking about it. The Secret works on very simple psychological tricks and typical cult recruiting. It can be broken down to a basic level

adramelech and CO - all your understanding of the law that
beliefs creates reality is mental- purely intellectual gymnastics.

We all have another faculty - it's callled higher knowing - it's
using this sense to grasp a real understanding or 'feel' of things.

You say:

because they want to think they can manifest a new
house by thinking about it.

That just proves to me, ( and I've got to be honest here) you
ain't get a real clue about what we are talking about here.

it's nothing to do with 'thinking positive thoughts.

You can think positive thoughts all day - but if you don't
change your governing unconscious belief patterns nothing
will happen.

Your quote shows a child's understanding of the law of creation.
It 's what critics of this law always say.

And anyway - if you don't believe it ( which is your choice - who
cares) - what the hell are you doing here on this forum wasting
all our time.

This is what really amazes me.

I mean, the law of conscious creation is at the very
foundation of David icke view of the matrix.

If you don't believe it - fine, again who cares - but people are
on this forum trying to get a deeper and more complete
understanding of it - and not listening to people who are
totally perverting the meaning of this law.

I mean you can turn anything around - sex can be ecstactic -
or it can be perverted to rape.

Again, how you look at this law is up to you - but instread of
just intellectualizing about it - why not start to practice it
- and see what happens!

.

[seanx]

To thirdwave,

reading a book called "Path of empowerment" by "Barbara Marciniak"

Yes, I have read that book- and I agree with you it's excellent.

And it's ideas almost prefectly mirror and resonate with dave icke's
conclusions in tales of the Time loop.

A great read

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by seanx

adramelech and CO - all your understanding of the law that
beliefs creates reality is mental- purely intellectual gymnastics.

You say:


That just proves to me, ( and I've got to be honest here) you
ain't get a real clue about what we are talking about here

Your quote shows a child's understanding of the law of creation.
It 's what critics of this law always say.

And anyway - if you don't believe it ( which is your choice - who
cares) - what the hell are you doing here on this forum wasting
all our time.

This is what really amazes me.

If you don't believe it - fine, again who cares - but people are
on this forum trying to get a deeper and more complete
understanding of it - and not listening to people who are
totally perverting the meaning of this law.

I mean you can turn anything around - sex can be ecstactic -
or it can be perverted to rape.



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Eternal's reply......So, if you're buisness failed and you became broke and ended up sick being unable to work. Would you have attracted that experience to yourself???

If you're buisness hadn't succeeded in the first place would you still be spouting on about how wonderfull these LOA books and theories are???
Hmm, what is you're business seanx are you marketing LOA books lol???

I think you're a very confused about the sex and rape issue. How can you turn around ecstatic sex and rape, I dont understand???

No we don't believe what you're saying about LOA, but this is a discussion with different views, can't expect us all to agree with you. No one on this forum agrees with all that Icke says, even the man himself changes his views from book to book.

[yinon]

I am looking for an explaination. If I am crazy, tell me. If it is one sided tell me. If you are a happily married man tell me. If you have a gf tell me. If you are gay tell me.If it is just for ego gratification tell me. Am I your entertainment? tell me. Are you in love with me? tell me. Is this mutual tell me. Do you want me to never speak to you again? tell me. Is this a twinflame story? tell me.

Don't you get it? I'm looking for an out, to get back to normal whatever that may be. Whether it's my same life I have now or a new one. Or just have the answer so I can move on until when we're 60.

Lol
No it's clear Shemale. You are the one with AIDS isn't it?
You read our mind but you always transform whats behind. It's the New Age Clic
There is no confusion in my mind
With or without him, I feel complete but our mission are connected even if you don't like it
Stop to manipulate information

I won't stay silent. Sorry! Again it's not what bother me now. Beside the track!

lol

[yinon]

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[Anders Lindman]

I don't like the idea of waiting. I hate waiting. People teaching about the LOA always talk about waiting for results. Is there a version of the LOA that does not require waiting? That would be more interesting to me.

[seanx]

Eternal's reply......So, if you're buisness failed and you became broke and ended up sick being unable to work. Would you have attracted that experience to yourself???

of course, I'm responsible.

my business failed twice before it succeed.

So of course, I am responsible. My core cellular beliefs created
both of them.

This idea of conscious creation is at the core of david icke ideas.

This guy adramelech shoud read 'Times of the time loop'
and 'Infinite love... first before he wastes our time here on
the forum.

They fully explain the nature of this law.

But what this guy is writing is just a total perversion of the law.

And of course the law of creation can be used for evil purposes -
just like sex, or drink can be abused.

And the Elite have used this power and these ideas for erons - in
fact that why all of these elite cultures rubbish this idea - so
as to keep it from the masses.

[tru3]

Originally Posted by king

The secret behind the film “The Secret,” a cheesy round-up of C-list motivational speakers, is Rosicrucianism, according to a recent commentary by Terry Melanson at Conspiracy Archive. The speakers in the film include one chiropractor, one-or-two New Age religious figures, and several self-described scientists. All make non-scientific connections between physics and psychic powers.

They insist that by thinking “I will be a millionaire,” you can become one.

Terry draws a tight, detailed timeline of movements from “The Secret” (i.e., “the power of attraction”) back to positive thinking movements in the mid-20th century, even the mid-18th century. He also notes the subliminal use of the word, “Rosicrucian” (see still image, above), throughout the film.

“The Secret” is nothing new. But its production values should be high enough to bring a fresh batch of suckers into “the movement.”





Going to the official site, and viewing
the flash presentation on the past secret teachers, the
importance of Rosicrucian thinking is elaborated upon.
On Beethoven, they say: “In his personal life Beethoven was known
to support the views of Pantheism, which included the idea of
natural law and the universe being equivalent to, and inseparable
from God. He is also considered to have been a member of the
Rosicrucians, a legendary and secret order that espoused many of
the ideas of The Secret.” (emphasis mine)
There you have it; Rosicrucianism is linked to the teachings
espoused in The Secret.

http://parallelnormal.wordpress.com/...nd-the-secret/

thanks, king. i wanted to address your original post. there have been some great insights on the way, but i wanted to specifically address the rosicrucian connection, not the validity or lack therof with respect to the loa.

CHAPTER 19
Rosicrucian and Masonic
Origins
.
by Manly P. Hall
1901-1990

From Lectures on Ancient Philosophy—An Introduction to
the Study and Application of Rational Procedure:
The Hall Publishing Company, Los Angeles, First Edition 1929, pp 397-417



The secret doctrine that flows through Freemasonic symbols (and to whose perpetuation the invisible Masonic body is consecrated) has its source in three ancient and exalted orders. The first is the Dionysiac artificers, the second the Roman collegia, and the third the Arabian Rosicrucians....

The Mysteries of Egypt and Persia [read bablyon, comment inserted] that had found a haven in the Arabian desert reached Europe by way of the Knights Templars and the Rosicrucians. The Temple of the Rose Cross at Damascus had preserved the secret philosophy of Sharon's Rose; the Druses of the Lebanon still retain the mysticism of ancient Syria; and the dervishes, as they lean on their carved and crotched sticks, still meditate upon the secret instruction perpetuated from the days of the four Caliphs. From the far places of Irak and the hidden retreats of the Sufi mystics, the Ancient Wisdom thus found its way into Europe. Was Jacques de Molay burned by the Holy Inquisition merely because he wore the red cross of the Templar? What were those secrets to which he was true even in death? Did his companion Knights perish with him merely because they had amassed a fortune and exercised an unusual degree of temporal power? To the thoughtless, these may constitute ample grounds, but to those who can pierce the film of the specious and the superficial, they are assuredly insufficient. It was not the physical power of the Templars but the knowledge which they had brought with them from the East that the church feared.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...an_Masonic.htm

now, hall is an interesting chap. he was a 33rd degree mason but he was also a scholar, so probably let loose more information than his handlers would have liked him to. also, consider the timeframe this was written in. hall was an unabashed booster of freemasonry; he attempted to legitimize it with 'respectable scholarship' (remember; different time, different context than today)

imho, in fact, he was a recruiter. therefore, with the luxury of hindsight and the power of postmodern deconstruction, i'd say manly p. hall clearly established the connection between the loomies and rosicrucianism.

[thirdwave]

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

telepathy is an "inner" form of communication, although i don't believe in "inner" and "outer" as real. the idea is, that someone away from us and totally separate, is somehow sending us messages of various forms. then the question is, who is this someone?

then we have to see what we are taking for granted here and that there are many options that we can choose to believe.

for example, i can say that "the reptilians, are impersonating the pleiadians and use advanced technology to channel it to certain people with certain perception". and it would make sense.

i could also say that "the nwo have equipment capable to transform such messages to any one they choose" and it would make sense.

i could say that "everything springs from the mind of mrs marciniak, having read and bought in those books, such as the ra and seth material, which was "channeled" material" and it would make sense.

i could say that "there is no other possible way of communication for the pleiadians, having no intention to freak us out and panic" and that would make sense too.

which one is it?

does it matter what source?...you think humans dont lie?


the bottom line is the info either sits with you or it does not.....

if we can talk to eachother from either end of the earth using plastic things with buttons then why cant our brains do it??

to me its all very logical tat beings can comunicate this way with us and have been doing it for YEARS..... the bottom line is, you listen to what they have to say and it either works or it does not...

tell me what the source has to be to be creditable??

you cant answer this.... it has to be our judgment ....this is the case allways, what ever the source of into is...

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by thirdwave

tell me what the source has to be to be creditable??

you cant answer this.... it has to be our judgment ....this is the case allways, what ever the source of into is...

that's the point..

i demonstrated a few popular points of view, just to show what we are arguing about.

we are simply arguing about our beliefs! we are not communicating. we are constantly judging everyone except ourselves, we are telling others what to do and who they are. there is only one correct opinion and it is my opinion, that's what we are all thinking, because we all believe something.

and what we do most of all, is project our fears to others. they all have to be as scared as we are, or else dead.

[adramelech]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I don't like the idea of waiting. I hate waiting. People teaching about the LOA always talk about waiting for results. Is there a version of the LOA that does not require waiting? That would be more interesting to me.

That would remove the element of nonfalsifiability that is the core of any cult belief.