The secret behind “The Secret” is

[king]

The secret behind the film “The Secret,” a cheesy round-up of C-list motivational speakers, is Rosicrucianism, according to a recent commentary by Terry Melanson at Conspiracy Archive. The speakers in the film include one chiropractor, one-or-two New Age religious figures, and several self-described scientists. All make non-scientific connections between physics and psychic powers.

They insist that by thinking “I will be a millionaire,” you can become one.

Terry draws a tight, detailed timeline of movements from “The Secret” (i.e., “the power of attraction”) back to positive thinking movements in the mid-20th century, even the mid-18th century. He also notes the subliminal use of the word, “Rosicrucian” (see still image, above), throughout the film.

“The Secret” is nothing new. But its production values should be high enough to bring a fresh batch of suckers into “the movement.”





Going to the official site, and viewing
the flash presentation on the past secret teachers, the
importance of Rosicrucian thinking is elaborated upon.
On Beethoven, they say: “In his personal life Beethoven was known
to support the views of Pantheism, which included the idea of
natural law and the universe being equivalent to, and inseparable
from God. He is also considered to have been a member of the
Rosicrucians, a legendary and secret order that espoused many of
the ideas of The Secret.” (emphasis mine)
There you have it; Rosicrucianism is linked to the teachings
espoused in The Secret.

http://parallelnormal.wordpress.com/...nd-the-secret/

[loveforall]

exactly what i said i thought i knew i saw

[thirdwave]

Im a bit lost....

1, what has the Rosicrucians got to do with the secret?

2, what info do we have that the Rosicrucians are bad...

3, and why if they are against what the secret says are they pushing it?

[seanx]

Im a bit lost....

1, what has the Rosicrucians got to do with the secret?

2, what info do we have that the Rosicrucians are bad...

3, and why if they are against what the secret says are they pushing it?

I agree with thirdwave. What's the point?

[king]

Originally Posted by seanx

I agree with thirdwave. What's the point?

you should make your own point, your own conclusion

I just posted an interesting response to ever growing debate of LOA.

Anything that is heavily promoted by the elite should be questioned.
and, secret is very much that -- masonic new age LOA crap.

you can feel free to have your own opinion.

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by king

Anything that is heavily promoted by the elite should be questioned.
and, secret is very much that -- masonic new age LOA crap.

you can feel free to have your own opinion.

what is your opinion about people who are successful with it? are they just lucky?

[king]

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

what is your opinion about people who are successful with it? are they just lucky?

I believe that majority of the people are insecure, afraid to try something new, much less having courage to drop old ways.

so, in such cases -- LOA can help those fence straddlers, who are thinking if they should make the changes that their hearts desire, those who are ready to "take the risk".

but, if you are unsure of your self and unwilling to try new way, or if you have obligations to your family then 'Secret' and LOA will not help you.
And that group is overwhelming majority.
Sure, out of 1000 people who try to get rich --some will, by sheer odds, so some people are destined to "attract" what many others are not.
that is why we have those get rich quick TV infomercials, because some people who try will get lucky, yet many will fail miserably.

so, that is your answer WHY for some people LOA works, for many other does not.
Now, Secret can be bought in major warehouses like Costco where Da Vinci Code is also sold.
This should make us curious.

BTW, the idea of LOA is based on masonic/NEW Age.
read what low level Masons and New Agers think of it:

My wife TiVo's Oprah, and on occasion I watch it with her at night when we get home from work. It just so happened that on February 8th, she had a panel of speakers who were there to do their best to plug the profundity of "The Secret", a new on-line film/DVD that proclaims to reveal centuries hidden knowledge in the span of a 90 minute motivational speech.

After watching the original episode of Oprah on the 8th and her follow-up on the 17th (where the "O" did some fancy dancing to the "no this isn’t an anti Christian message" song), I had to admit that I felt compelled to see exactly what the secret was really about.

And after watching it tonight, I'll be damned, the message it presents is pretty spot on.

I wasn't really sure what to expect. Probably some new age hocus-pocus or some motivational speakers saying you have the power to do what you want (which is was in many ways), but this video took it step further. It said something I have been saying (and doing) for a while now though my own sort of personal discovery of all things Masonic. The message was that we (people) are a part of the God conscious universe, and that our energy resonates with the rest of the universe, and that this energy, when harmonized, has the potential of ANYTHING, good or bad. This harmonic energy is what we put out into the universe also attracts back to us, depending on what we think, feel, desire, wish, or pray for. And our attitudes contri
bute to what we get in return.

From the Masonic perspective, the degrees of masonry illustrate our ascension into this thought. That, as we are initiated into this ideation and taught how to interpret from what we learn our ultimate step, the placement at the doorway of God, the inner chamber of K.S.T. Our thoughts attenuated to this celestial divine, not without as some external force, but within, as our own manifestation of that Creative Force. We, widow’s sons, are the creators of our universe.

The philosophy in "The Secret" should be simple to understand by any Freemason who watches it. Even simpler now that it has been broken down to its barest components, which are: "Know Thy Self", and "Follow Your Bliss". With these two axioms, you can control your universe.

For those wondering though, where the producers came up with this Secret Teaching, they give you glimpses at the beginning alluding to their origins, The Knights Templar, Rosicrucian's, The Romans, the Egyptians, and so one…But there may be some true point of origin here. Out of Hermetica, there comes a myth, the myth of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus. On this tablet were written 13 points of wisdom and these points create the foundation of transformative thought.

The 13 points of the tablet are:

The truth, certainty, truest, without untruth.
What is above is like what is below. What is below is like what is above. The miracle of unity is to be attained.
Everything is formed from the contemplation of unity, and all things come about from unity, by means of adaptation.
Its parents are the Sun and Moon.
It was borne by the wind and nurtured by the Earth.
Every wonder is from it 6a. and its power is complete.
Throw it upon earth, 7a) and earth will separate from fire. The impalpable separated from the palpable.
Through wisdom it rises slowly from the world to heaven. Then it descends to the world combining the power of the upper and the lower.
Thus you will have the illumination of all the world, and darkness will disappear.
This is the power of all strength- it overcomes that which is delicate and penetrates through solids. 11a) This was the means of the creation of the world.
And in the future wonderful developments will be made, and this is the way.
I am Hermes the Threefold Sage, so named because I hold the three elements of all wisdom.
And thus ends the revelation of the work of the Sun.

From these points you can learn the secret.

The one thing I don’t agree with necessarily is that "The secret", as "the Secret" calls itself, is still only wisdom for those who care to know about it. The owners of "the secret" didn’t hide it. It has been alive and vital in the mystery schools of antiquity for eons, all anyone has to do to gain the secret is just ask...

Maybe, as in ages past, this is the new mode of transference. This is how the secret teachings of the ages are to be communicated to the masses, to merge with our subconscious and manifest into our daily life, so it is never forgotten again.

Either way, I do recommend giving "the Secret" a watching if you have the time, I found it a great reinforcement of my Masonic principals and ideas.

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--
so, there you have it.
is it promotion of Masonic New Age?
you decide.

I guess those Iraqi people and little children who were blown up to small pieces attracted the bombs and unborn babies attracted DNA mutation via D.U. ammo.

</sarcasm>

[thirdwave]

for me it is not a question of if the LOA is real... It knowledge to me.... but when I hear info like this though it is interesting.... who knows what the deal is...

in time everyone will know the LOA, its reality.... "The Secret" is not the first thing that has brought it up.....

but who are the Rosicrucians??? , what we really know about them?

what info do we have on them???

and what info do we have that they made "the secret" ??

with so many people hunting like crazy for disinfo.... then surely they are eating out the the elites hands???, as they could feed them anything and hang a bitter tag on it and all of a sudden the info is in the air.....

everything could be disinfo.....

[bigus_dickus]

Originally Posted by king

I believe that majority of the people are insecure, afraid to try something new, much less having courage to drop old ways.

so, in such cases -- LOA can help those fence straddlers, who are thinking if they should make the changes that their hearts desire, those who are ready to "take the risk".

but, if you are unsure of your self and unwilling to try new way, or if you have obligations to your family then 'Secret' and LOA will not help you.

so, you ignore it and move on, you don't have to complain about it, do you? let those who need it help themselves.

And that group is overwhelming majority.
Sure, out of 1000 people who try to get rich --some will, by sheer odds, so some people are destined to "attract" what many others are not.

what do you mean "destined"?

that is why we have those get rich quick TV infomercials, because some people who try will get lucky, yet many will fail miserably.

and what will they loose? will they give up? will they die, or suicide? what's the catch? why "miserably"?

so, that is your answer WHY for some people LOA works, for many other does not.

well, you simply told me that not many people are capable to do it right, so they will fail to do it. and i can agree with that. so, what's the point?

so, there you have it.
is it promotion of Masonic New Age?
you decide.

i don't know. are the producers masons or new agers? what is in it for them? who are they? if it works for them and they are masons, why are they making it public? what if eventually everyone gets successful with it? have you thought that possibility? doubt is ok, but leaving possibilities out, i don't think so.

i have known about the "secret" knowledge before this dvd, anyone can find and read these books if they are interested. it is not occult knowledge, it is just not popular because most people get distracted by pop culture, commercials and world events. and i am no new ager or freemason, i am just a guy who likes reading!

I guess those Iraqi people and little children who were blown up to small pieces attracted the bombs and unborn babies attracted DNA mutation via D.U. ammo.

</sarcasm>

to tell you the truth, i can't imagine them attracting a different possibility living under a state of fear. can you?

[bigus_dickus]

here is the secret behind "the secret"

Law of Attraction: Do you Attract or Create? - YouTube

Law of Attraction: Do you Attract or Create? - YouTube

i think that's what it's all about

[john white]

Anything that is heavily promoted by the elite should be questioned.
and, secret is very much that -- masonic new age LOA crap.

Thank goodness for that King:

Where would you be if you decided it was anything different, huh?

After all, if you stopped fearing and doubting, you'd run out of things to fear and doubt

As a thought though: These "magical powers" of secret socities, this "tainted knowledge" that saps get sucked in by:

It comes from God, it belongs to God, and how Man uses his understanding is Gods test of us

So are you afraid of God, or only afraid of Men?

When one Loves god as a dutiful child should, one Fears neither

[oceanwave]

...good thread king...

[shadow cat]

Originally Posted by oceanwave

...good thread king...

I agree! thanks King

[i_am]

The knowledge told in the Secret is not wrong. It does however smell of commercialism and it gives a limited idea of how to use this ‘power’.

Is this by design?? Who knows!! Maybe they think by giving everyone this so-called secret that it will have an opposite effect. People will become more cynical and more negative, saying it is just a load of bullshit, it doesn't work and woe is me I am doomed to my unhappy, boring, life of struggle.

LOA is not all about money. It is about attracting everything that you desire: Health, wealth, happiness, a change in your life, anything. It does not work by just saying that you wish to be a millionaire. That is just greed and is a fear based wish. People who try this are coming from a point of fear: fear of poverty, fear of getting sick, fear of the unknown etc. This will not work.

It is about vibration. It is about vibrating in sync with the universe, not an easy state to attain. It is impossible from a fear-based vibration. When people are ‘trying’ to manifest they are putting conditions on. These conditions are about control and control is fear-based so the vibration is wrong. You want to be rich because you are sick of being poor. Your vibration is with being poor and that is negative. Take note of how that feels. Instead, see yourself doing what you want when you want. Feel it. Enjoy it. Love it! Believe it. Feel the difference in vibration. You may well become a millionaire if you really get a handle on this. I know someone who did. Did she focus on that? Not at all. Her focus was on a happy life for her and her children. She put the LOA into action and after it worked so well, she wrote about how it had worked. She is now a millionaire travelling the world and talking to people.

The Rosicrucians have always had this knowledge. Are they good guys or bad guys? I don’t know but they sure have a lot of ‘secret’ knowledge. They always have had. What difference does it make? Are we to say that we don’t wish to apply this knowledge because the Rosicrucians and Masons know it? Shall we just leave it alone because they know about it? Should we just leave this universal law to the select few?

Just my 2c

[thirdwave]

anyone who likes "The Secret" wills simply become into the LOA, and will look to research it and practise it more....

I don't think the elite are capable of creating info and expressions like "The Secret" .... and the last thing they want is to trick people into feeling that they have control over their lives and the world around them.... you want to see a DVD made by the elite?? ..well watch "an inconviniant truth" you know the one that won a grammy..even though the secret is bigger by word of mouth.....

their campaign is fear ...fear....fear....terror....., they want us to think the world needs a mass change because we are not dealing with it... so they can provide the change....

"The Secret" does not match this agenda..... it counters it...


ok "The Secret" is glossed up and done for some bucks and to be mainstream, but that does not change the info and their is nothing in it that I feel is nor correct....

it was made to manipulate people into believing it... b ut that does not mean its not true....


if it was a low budget DVD made on a shoe string, it would have just remained as a you tube video that has a few comments on, but it is not ...its a "hit" and has promoted the LOA which has been known for as far back as we have records of.


I feel their is a great lot of panic and confusion from people who are thinking... is David Icke disinfo..... is the secret disinfo.... is he lying.... is she lying....

.... meanwhile they are lining up around Iran... and the news pushes more and more fear,,,, more planets are discovered ..more UFOs reported....

and more and more people becoming confused at what to think!

its all a struggle because we are going through a shift...

common sense!!

if you do not miss quote.... or leave out info from The Secret, what negative message or method is it inflicting on us??? ...nothing....

same with Icke... and all these others.... its quite clear when something is trying to make you feel you have less control of your self and the world around you....

[jinjo5]

I watch 'the secret' a while ago after someone on here recommended it..........where's the secret?
To me it seemed like a load of over enthusiastic people going on about positive thinking.
Dont think there's any big secret there.
At times it was like watching one of those US evangelical programmes.

[hagbard_celine]

I keep getting ads for "The Secret" ever since I subscribed to "The Bleeping Herald", the official newsletter of "What the Bleep do we Know?" I think the same people are reponsible for the two. I know Lynne McTaggart is because I saw her at the Icons of the Field conference in London last year and we all saw "Down the Rabbit Hole".

Some might say that the materialist theme of "The Secret" is a debasement of spirituality. I don't agree. I wouldn't mind having a lot of money; this doesn't make me unspiritual. It would if it became the only thing I wanted, the whole essence of my life, as our society encourages it to be. It's also not immoral if you've earned your money fairly (difficult in the current economic system which is based on theft and exploitation). It could be simply about having an interesting, worthwhile and fullfilling existance in this life. This might not just be about material wealth, but about what Mr Keating in "Dead Poets Society" calls Carpe Diem, Seize The Day! Make your lives extraordinary!

It's true that positive thinking can have an enormous effect on what happens to us in our objective lives. This is the central theme of "What the Bleep..."

Actually, although I respect the sentiment behind this film, I find its style somewhat gimmicky. The "calender" anaology one of the presenters uses is accurate, although in a different way. It reminds me of one of these 2-hour adverts you get on cable channels for fitness equipment or jewelery. The title is a minsnomer; "The Secret" is not a secret. It has been discussed quite openly by everyone from physicists to Buddhist lamas throughout recorded history, and probably before. A modern physicist might say "A state of mind can move the particles of the universe" while Lao Tzu said "With our thoughts we make the world" in the 5th Century BC. The "supression" is in fact more like "distraction"; the powers-that-be use lures and confusion rather than actively hiding the information.

The case studies are a good way of making the subject matter comprehensible and inspiring; I can feel a certain affinity with many of the people featured in the film, however "The Secret" doesn't really contain any information that you won't find in "What The Bleep Do We Know?"

"The Secret" costs almost £20, but for £25 you can get "What the Bleep?- Down the Rabbit Hole" which contains an extended, and a separate super-extended cut of the movie with 3 DVD's full of bonus documentaries. All the information in "The Secret" can be found in just 5 minutes of "What the Bleep?" Now which sounds like better value to you?

"Good boy, Rodney, you know it makes sense!"

[poodle]

The secret has been working wonderfully for me!

I first became aware of the LOA from watching the DVD 'The Secret' that is being mentioned. I found it a little cheesy, yes, and I found the focus was primarily on wealth of monetary value, but it encouraged me to discover more about the LOA itself, and experiment with it in my life.

I think of wealth not as something with a dollar value, instead to me wealth is having the things and people around me and a part of me that make me feel 'happy'. A simply concept it seems, but isn't that all we really want to feel in the end? We call it many names, but pure 'happiness' works for me.

The results so far have been fantastic! How these things happen, I dont care to analyse. Whether it is me creating, me attracting, me letting go of fear and heading towards what I want, me being courageous, me being brave, or just me being lucky, it doesnt matter, because I am happy.

I dont care to preach to others or turn people for or against 'The Secret', but I know that this is purely a discussion thread, so my input is that I have found the LOA to be a wonderful asset in my life

[loveemotion]

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

what is your opinion about people who are successful with it? are they just lucky?

What do you mean just lucky.. can you make an example?
LAL

[adramelech]

That's a very good write-up on the historical aspects of the New Thought cult/meme. Modernly, The Secret is most closely a reworking of Freemason Charles Haanel's Master Key System. The Master Key System is symbolic of Hiram's Key of Freemasonry, the Great Key - Clavis Magna. It is deeply tied to elite belief systems.



The Secret itself is closely related to so-called "Unity Christianity", a New Age cult and a strong frontrunner for World Religion, of which the elite teachings of "The Secret" will obviously play a strong role.

http://www.unityworldhq.org/

The Secret is the perfect elite philosophy and one they have practiced and believed for thousands of years across multible schools, societies and organizations. Most importantly, it completely absolves guilt. Although the core elite are inhuman by definition, feelings and emotions still impact many involved. The Secret takes this away by teaching that all of the victims of elite actions have asked to be victimized by their own thoughts. At the same time, it teaches the elite that they are in control because divine or universal forces have mandated it.

This is clearly seen in elite doctraines such as The Divine Right of Kings.

Divine right of kings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Divine right of kings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Divine right of kings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Victim blaming is also known as the Just World philosophy, or the belief that everyone gets what they deserve, rape victims "asked for it" and so on. This is a basic psychological element in all kinds of hostage situations, kidnapping and brain washing. When the victim believes that they are responsible, they view their captors as gods. For the elite, convincing the enslaved that they are responsible for their own enslavement is the cruelest and most effective of deceptions.

"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist."