Cobain murdered by CIA - Page 175

hunkahunka · 02-12-2010, 07:06 PM

video: Police training video points out how officers can detect signs of satanic ritual murder on bodies:

http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-ar...tual-markings/

this is the case he is referring to:

Quote:

Hunt and Foys both said they believe the Satanic ritual abuse is quite widespread -- and extremely dangerous.

It definitely proved dangerous for an alcoholic drifter known only as John Doe No. 60, whose body was found in San Francisco. According to a May 6, 1988, San Francisco Chronicle article:

"The victim had a pentagram carved into his chest, lash marks across his buttocks, a stab wound to his neck, wax in his right eye and hair, and a sliced lip. The naked body was virtually drained of blood."

Clifford St. Joseph, 46, was eventually convicted and sentenced to 34 years to life for the killing.

In his book, Raising Hell, Michael Newton writes when police came to St. Joseph’s apartment nine days after the body was found, they found St. Joseph dressed in a black robe, companion Michael Bork, 26, stripped to the waist, his face daubed with cosmetics, and another man, Edward Spela, 26, passed out from drugs. In the middle of the room was a 19-year old man, who was laying on the floor, handcuffed and surrounded by candles.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle:

"Investigators said that St. Joseph appeared to be part of a Satanic cult that involved men of means in San Francisco’s gay community."

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some alarming things stand out to me in the above case/ article, given what is emerging
about the prevalence of CIA mind control operatives and activity in the San Francisco area. This case contains gender dissociation, satanism, torture,
possible vampirism, and a cult of rich men. This smacks of Jeffrey Dahmer, himself a satanist who I have long suspected did not act alone and acted with the complicity of the Milwaukee Police. The same elements of homosexuality, occultism, murder, and cannibalism present in both cases.

That police would go so far as to make a training video to train police to recognize signs of satanic
ritual murder strikes me as odd to begin with . First, we are told that satanic ritual abuse does not even
exist by the lamestream media, and that the few cases such as the above are extremely rare, yet above
you see an entire police training video devoted to the topic, as though there is something they are not
telling us.

What if the real purpose of the video is to train police to help cover up satanic murder scenes, so that
whoever normally handles such cases is immediately called in and therefore those aspects of the murders are
never reported by regular police to the press?
I suspect that there are far more cases like this that are covered up by the masonic 'Keystone Cops',
of San Francisco, the San francisco Police Dept.
with their 7 pointed star symbol:

hunkahunka · 02-12-2010, 08:26 PM

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The 7-pointed star or heptagram is a mystical occult symbol. Like the pentagram, it has been called the Witch's Star, also the Astrologer's Star. Beyond six points, the polygrams all have multiple configurations and the heptagram may be drawn in two different ways - an obtuse form and an acute angled form; both forms are unicursal, here shown together with the third 7-point figure, the heptagon.

* In qabalistic terms, the number '7' is attributed to Venus. It relates to Man's mundane feelings and his instincts - to his sexuality . It relates to Man's place in the pattern of Nature and to his linking with the Group Mind - the undifferentiated Soul of Mankind.
* Man's pattern of mundane life is much ruled by the seven day cycle

Bob Berdella, occultist homosexual serial killer, who slaughtered and hung bodies like meat,
Kansas University Chef, neighbor to William Burroughs, etc. used a heptagram (seven-pointed star)
as the logo for his occult shop called the Bizarre Bazar:

hunkahunka · 04-12-2010, 09:28 AM

December 1st interview of Ted Gunderson on mind control:

Stan Monteith interviews former FBI investigator Ted Gunderson on the occult and mind control:

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio....80/120110d.mp3

hunkahunka · 04-12-2010, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunkahunka

December 1st interview of Ted Gunderson on mind control:

Stan Monteith interviews former FBI investigator Ted Gunderson on the occult and mind control:

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio....80/120110d.mp3

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio....80/120110d.mp3

http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio....80/120110d.mp3
anyone else suspect that Roseanne Barr called into the above show?
the woman with the squeaky voice sounds exactly like Roseanne Barr
disguising her voice.
If anyone can find a clip of Roseanne doing this voice
anywhere else please post it.

hunkahunka · 06-12-2010, 12:14 AM

video:

HOLLYWOOD MK DECEPTION 27

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hunkahunka · 08-12-2010, 02:10 PM

QUOTE

Quote:

Has Mick Jagger joined Madonna's religion? Rocker spotted wearing a trendy Kabbalah string

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz17WhyKxOW

The string charm, which supposedly protects against the "evil eye", has already been seen on the wrists of Madonna, Billie Piper, Paris Hilton and Victoria Beckham.

Kabbalah is a Jewish tradition based on medieval interpretations of the Old Testament.

The website of the London Kabbalah Centre says its purpose is "to make accessible the ancient wisdom and tools of Kabbalah in order to illuminate minds and hearts".

Another centre, in Jerusalem, promises to show followers how to "remove every form of chaos, pain and suffering" and "ultimately to erase even death itself".

Devotees of the not-for-profit organisation are also advised to drink blessed water, which can cost nearly £4 a bottle.

Kabbalah has its detractors, among them some rabbis who have denounced it as crackpot mysticism.

Sir Mick, 64, seems to have shown more interest in the spiritual side of life after getting together with L'Wren Scott.

Last month, the couple stayed at the 347-room Indian palace home of the Maharaja of Jodhpur and collected mystical trinkets for their £10million Chelsea mansion.

Last year, when the Stones were on tour in South America, Sir Mick took time out to have his "auras cleansed" in a smoke ceremony conducted by a roadside shaman.

His former wife, Jerry Hall, had turned to Kabbalah herself after their very public split. That came on the back of his fling with Brazilian model Luciana Morad, who had Sir Mick's love child eight years ago.

Sir Mick, who comes from a Roman Catholic family, is not known for strong religious beliefs.

He married Miss Hall at a Balinese Hindu wedding in 1990, which he later said was void in order to make their divorce settlement less costly.

Miss Scott, a 40-year-old model who is widely seen as his soulmate, was raised by Mormon adoptive parents in Utah.

When Sir Mick was photographed with the bracelet, he was on his way to meet Simon Fuller, the music mogul who launched the Spice Girls.

Fuller is worth £450million and Sir Mick a hardly less modest £230million.

Madonna

mountain · 08-12-2010, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunkahunka

video: Police training video points out how officers can detect signs of satanic ritual murder on bodies:

http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-ar...tual-markings/

this is the case he is referring to:

******************************

some alarming things stand out to me in the above case/ article, given what is emerging
about the prevalence of CIA mind control operatives and activity in the San Francisco area. This case contains gender dissociation, satanism, torture,
possible vampirism, and a cult of rich men. This smacks of Jeffrey Dahmer, himself a satanist who I have long suspected did not act alone and acted with the complicity of the Milwaukee Police. The same elements of homosexuality, occultism, murder, and cannibalism present in both cases.

That police would go so far as to make a training video to train police to recognize signs of satanic
ritual murder strikes me as odd to begin with . First, we are told that satanic ritual abuse does not even
exist by the lamestream media, and that the few cases such as the above are extremely rare, yet above
you see an entire police training video devoted to the topic, as though there is something they are not
telling us.

What if the real purpose of the video is to train police to help cover up satanic murder scenes, so that
whoever normally handles such cases is immediately called in and therefore those aspects of the murders are
never reported by regular police to the press?
I suspect that there are far more cases like this that are covered up by the masonic 'Keystone Cops',
of San Francisco, the San francisco Police Dept.
with their 7 pointed star symbol:

Wow I have suspected the same in regards to Jeffrey Dahmer. When that story was reported, I immediately thought it was strange and later on after several years of researching into this stuff, I thought it possibly ties into Satanic ritual.

Thanks for keeping up with this thread! Lots of great information presented here

buckmarley · 08-12-2010, 09:41 PM

Hunkahunka, here is more for the Raz B portion of this thread

Ricky Romance , Raz B's brother was molested by Chris Stokes.

The Truth About Chris Stokes Pt 4: Ricky Romance Phone Call - YouTube

Notice how he is disconnected once, then twice after the hard question is asked.

B2k Member Raz B Claims Set Up , Paid to Retract Molestation Allegations

Quote:

B2K member Raz B claims set up, paid to retract molestation allegations

October 21st, 2010 3:20 pm ET

Former B2K member and R&B singer Raz B says he was set up, paid and effectively forced to retract claims that he was molested by Chris Stokes, Marques Houston and other members of a group behind the release of "Pandemonium" and B2K's debut album.

In the latest of several video interviews released Thursday, Raz B says he was touched by Tyler Perry's recent interview with Oprah Winfrey detailing his struggle with molestation, abuse at the hands of his father and forgiveness. Nonetheless, the singer levies serious allegations in the clip, claiming he had some "money" put in his pocket while two cameras rolled as others looked on awaiting his retraction for what he says happened behind the scenes.

"There was two cameras there and they were trying to find something -- I was trying to bring the heat down,I wasn't trying to cause any trouble for anyone. However, obviously, it was a problem for them," Raz B alleges in a video released via World Star Hip Hop. "Their image was so important that they lied and they put some money in my pocket. A lot of people don't know there's some more tapes floating around."

While Raz B admits to taking the money, he says he effectively was tricked into meeting with those he accused in a 2007 video, also dismissing claims that his latest round of videos and interviews are part of a publicity stunt.

"What I am dealing with is not fair. I apologize... excuse the profanity,' he says in the clip, alluding to his last video yelling purportedly at Houston. "Boog (J-Boog) was like come on and go. Boog knew, J-Boog knew, about this meeting. He knew this meeting was setup so they could get me over there and put pressure on me so I could do that tape."

"This is not a publicity stunt. I'm just another human being. I appreciate the opportunity I have. I don't want to be remembered as a liar," the "Why I Love You" singer goes on to say. "I want to be remembered as a person that told the truth and stood up for what he believed in. I protected everybody by having the respect and decency and showed compassion by not putting other people's business out there. Who actually wants to file paperwork ? Who actually wants to put somebody in jail ?"

http://www.examiner.com/urban-pop-in...on-allegations

Omarion is mad in this video imo, and lying out of his teeth. Raz B isn't in this for money, thats why he called Quindon up on the phone (did Quindon know he was being taped?) and used him to give himself more credibility. Omarion hinted the truth about the "Illuminati" before , but it seems like he is submitting to the dark side, we know he has sold his soul just like the rest of them. Alot of these stars get so hooked on the money & fame that they dont believe its possible to go back, out of there deal with the devil. There is way through the blood of Jesus Christ if any of them truly seek him with their whole heart they will find him, and Satan will have no hold on them anymore. I hope Omarion starts to seek him.

Omarion Slams Raz-B - That Grape Juice TV - YouTube

Quote:

ajilore | October 14, 2010 | 17 likes, 3 dislikes
R&B star Omarion hits out at former B2K band-member Raz-B - who recently made headlines with allegations of sexual abuse.
Shot and edited by Mr.DamaJe* :www.twitter.com/mrdamaje

Raz B exposes Lil Bow Wow & Bow Wow responds. ("Illuminati", Occult, Jesus Christ)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Quote:

seyiis | November 02, 2010 | 5 likes, 3 dislikes
It Aint Over: Raz B Says He Saw Some Weird Sh*t With Lil Fizz & Bow Wow! "Lil Fizz Was The 1st One To Take It In The Azz By Marques Houston" + Talks To A Detective About His Police Report Against Marques Houston & Chris Stokes Allegedly Molesting Him!

Info:
As former B2K member Raz B continues his campaign against mentors Marques Houston and Chris Stokes, the former teenybopper recently threw another new name into the mix.

Yesterday, (Oct. 5) Raz appeared on radio host Charlamagne The God's Sirius Satellite show to expand on his allegations that Houston and Stokes molested him as a teen. During his spiel, the troubled singer alluded that Bow Wow also used to take place in questionable activities with his former mentors.

"Bow Wow used to always come over to the house in Diamond Bar," Raz told the radio host. "And I've always seen some weird shit before. Trust me."

The newly signed Cash Money Millionaire immediately dismissed the rumors.

"I don't know Raz at all. The only thing that I was ever affiliated with him was by the Scream tour. But all that funny shit he poppin' needs to be left over there. I'm over here just trying to do me," Bow Wow told VIBE while on a press run in New York City."We were never even labelmates or anything. Maybe because my video is out, niggas feel like they got to eat off my name or try to become relevant."

While Bow Wow acknowledges that he is in fact still friends with former B2K front-man Omarion, who he also released a collaborative album with in '07, he maintains that he has never shared any relations with any of the parties involved.

"I get way to much play for him to be saying that stupid shit. It's weak, period. Why every time I try to stay out of shit niggas be putting my name in their mouth. I don't know what they got going on over there," Bow Wow added. "I always heard shit but I was just as shocked as everyone else when everything came out. Basically, don't drag my name in nothing. Raz can't even contact me because they don't have my numbers. See, I don't want to talk to him or waste my time."

Bow Wow is currently working on his as-yet-untitled Cash Money debut, which is tentatively scheduled for release in early 2011. ⎯Mikey Fresh

tags: worldstarhiphop world star hip hop

Bow Wow Speaks on Raz B rumors, Chris Brown, Kat Stacks & More - YouTube

Raz B goes to court over Marques Houston

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Raz B defends himself about the homosexual allegations

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

People need to understand that these people are being mind controlled into doing these homosexual acts (& other things) half the time. IMO, Raz B is in a process of breaking free from the mind control/demonic hypnosis he was under (Chris Stokes his handler?) similiar to Brice Taylor. You can read her book "Thanks For the Memories"
here

http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/fo...pe=post&id=179

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

He quotes

Quote:

What shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world yet lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

-Jesus

Raz B agrees to clear up gay rumors between Ray J. Raz B must be coo with Ray J but we all know Ray J took the hershey highway too because DANGER already exposed him and Hollywood, then days later retracted her statement (sound familiar?). All these artists are under mind control IMO

RAZ B SECRETLY RECORDS RAY J - YouTube

Danger of For the Love of Ray J Interview (threatens Hollywood) - YouTube

Danger exposes she is a ACTOR and REALITY TV IS FAKE (like we didn't already know that, but its good for her to confirm that for everyone).

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Notice the sarcastic laughter from the radio show hosts (who sold their souls and probably know that Ray J is gay and know about the industry levels), they know she is breaking her oath and days later she would retract this statement.For the record too she is talking about Young Buck , Ray J's best friend, not the Young Buck that use to be in G-Unit.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I'd like to see what was going on before this video started, looks like Raz B is sorta "mock/preaching" someone on TV, but i dont really know why he is acting like that. He is giving 'them' a reason to call him crazy with him 'preaching' that way if he calls that 'preaching'. Hopefully Raz B completely breaks free from the mind control he was put under.

From this thread

http://letsrollforums.com/raz-b-b2k-...-t23424p3.html

pound · 08-12-2010, 10:19 PM

Wow, great information HunkaHunka. I never really stopped to pour over this thread until recently. The info that people have been able to dig up is quite amazing, scary in fact.

Here's a few links for those interested in Dahmer. The people at findadeath.com discuss this abomination from time and time, lots of lesser known tidbits and "Oh I didn't know that" factoids about Dahmer and serial killers and Hollywood cover-up's in general are revealed and discussed there:

http://www.findadeath.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1482

I know it's in bad taste and quite disgusting-but here's some of the crime scene photos from Dahmers apartment. A word of caution, don't view some of the photos if you're squeamish:

http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/d/...rey_dahmer.htm

hunkahunka · 09-12-2010, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckmarley

Hunkahunka, here is more for the Raz B portion of this thread

http://letsrollforums.com/raz-b-b2k-...-t23424p3.html

thanks Buckmarley, this is all hitting the fan now, I swear RazB could get a job being a charismatic preacher the way he can just do that off the top of his head. Have to thank you again for putting the work into that post.

hunkahunka · 09-12-2010, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pound

Wow, great information HunkaHunka. I never really stopped to pour over this thread until recently. The info that people have been able to dig up is quite amazing, scary in fact.

Here's a few links for those interested in Dahmer. The people at findadeath.com discuss this abomination from time and time, lots of lesser known tidbits and "Oh I didn't know that" factoids about Dahmer and serial killers and Hollywood cover-up's in general are revealed and discussed there:

http://www.findadeath.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1482

I know it's in bad taste and quite disgusting-but here's some of the crime scene photos from Dahmers apartment. A word of caution, don't view some of the photos if you're squeamish:

http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/d/...rey_dahmer.htm

thanks for bringing that here. It is important that people see the reality
of this stuff for themselves, I have no problem with people choosing to
see the ugly facts for themselves

hunkahunka · 09-12-2010, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountain

Wow I have suspected the same in regards to Jeffrey Dahmer. When that story was reported, I immediately thought it was strange and later on after several years of researching into this stuff, I thought it possibly ties into Satanic ritual.

Thanks for keeping up with this thread! Lots of great information presented here

Dahmer was reported to be a lone killer and lone occultist who had an altar /shrine in his apartment:

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Sometimes Dahmer wouldn't kill the victims outright. Instead, he would perform experiments on his drugged and alive victims. He lobotomized a number of his victims. Most died immediately. However, he claimed that 1 victim lived, following an experiment, where Dahmer drilled a hole into the victim‟s skull & poured muriatic acid into it. Dahmer claims the man was turned into a zombie & lived for several days.

C. Rituals : Dahmer believed in the occult & planned to create a shrine to an evil force he thought influenced him. Dahmer used his skulls, other human trophies, & a statue of a griffin that he owned. He thought the shrine would give him special powers & energies to help him socially & financially. Dahmer‟s Victims Over 17 young men were killed by Jeffrey Dahmer. Dahmer killed from 1978 to 1991 when he was finally caught.

I just have my doubts that Dahmer did all of this alone.
Especially given the fact that two of his victims
were brothers, both of them adolescents molested by Dahmer three years apart:

Quote:

On September 26, 1988, one day after moving into his apartment, he was arrested for drugging and sexually fondling a 13-year-old boy in Milwaukee named Somsack Sinthasomphone[22] He was sentenced to five years probation and one year in a work release camp. He was required to register as a sex offender.[23] Dahmer was paroled from the work release camp two months early, and he soon moved into a new apartment.[24] Shortly thereafter, he began a string of murders that ended with his arrest in 1991. During this era, Dahmer was also active in Milwaukee-area gay rights and BDSM communities.[25]

In the early morning hours of May 27, 1991, 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone (by coincidence, the younger brother of the boy whom Dahmer had molested) was discovered on the street, wandering naked, heavily under the influence of drugs and bleeding from his rectum. Two young women from the neighborhood found the dazed boy and called 911. Dahmer chased his victim down and tried to take him away, but the women stopped him.[31] Dahmer told police that Sinthasomphone was his 19-year-old boyfriend, and that they had an argument while drinking. Against the protests of the two women who had called 911, police turned him over to Dahmer. They later reported smelling a strange scent while inside Dahmer's apartment, but did not investigate it. The smell was the body of Tony Hughes, Dahmer's previous victim, decomposing in the bedroom. The two policemen did not make any attempt to verify Sinthasomphone's age and failed to run a background check that would have revealed Dahmer was a convicted child molester still under probation.[32] Later that night, Dahmer killed and dismembered Sinthasomphone, keeping his skull as a souvenir.

Now, tell me what are the odds of Jeffrey Dahmer, by coincidence managing to drug and sexually assault two adolescent boys from the same family, aged 13 and 14, with the druggings and sexual assaults of these boys occurring three years apart , in two separate incidents, the second assault during which the police caught him in the act of anally torturing a bleeding boy, and never stopped him?

How in hell did Dahmer pull this off?
Does that sound like someone acting alone, or does it sound like some sort of satanic cult operating here?

sicknote · 10-12-2010, 10:56 AM

Can you provide evidence beyond any reasonable doubt the CIA got hold of Cobain for MK-Ultra purposes?. Not opinion, not theory, but photographic or footage?.

I've never heard family, friends, fans before his death or himself ever mention MK-ultra.

Where's the resounding evidence?.

sayonara tsunami · 10-12-2010, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sicknote

Can you provide evidence beyond any reasonable doubt the CIA got hold of Cobain for MK-Ultra purposes?. Not opinion, not theory, but photographic or footage?.

I've never heard family, friends, fans before his death or himself ever mention MK-ultra.

Where's the resounding evidence?.

Its not exactly something you mention offhand in an interview, you have to read between the lines. After all it was a secret government program. The victims themselves have trouble recovering memories and probably don't even know what was really happening to them since it starts in childhood.

Hell, you wouldn't know what it was if the government hadn't forced the release of those documents!

hunkahunka · 11-12-2010, 12:11 AM

I found this meandering video on Kurt Cobain, the Illuminati, mkultra/mind control and the occult.
(titled simply: Kurt Cobain) It is interesting:

video:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

bukowski · 11-12-2010, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunkahunka

I found this meandering video on Kurt Cobain, the Illuminati, mkultra/mind control and the occult.
(titled simply: Kurt Cobain) It is interesting:

video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lngYyDBtUKo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NDBf...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LZ9F...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjjGH...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfeBk...eature=related

Video didnt show???

hunkahunka · 11-12-2010, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunkahunka

DRUDGE: CHURCH GUNMAN WROTE CRAZED LETTERS OF MK-ULTRA MIND CONTROL

From:

Drudge Report, http://www.drudgereport.com

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 1999 20:45:11 ET XXXXX

CHURCH GUNMAN WROTE CRAZED LETTERS TO LOCAL PAPER

According to publishing sources, Larry Gene Ashbrook, the madman
who slaughtered seven parishioners at the Wedgwood Baptist Church
Wednesday evening, sent two letters to the FORT-WORTH
STAR-TELEGRAM over the summer -- letters the paper plans to
reprint in Friday editions!

The STAR-TELEGRAM'S Karen Rouse reports that the letters describe
"bizarre tales of encounters with the Central Intelligence
Agency, psychological warfare, assaults by co-workers and
druggings by police."

Stephen Kaye, a city editor and one who received the letters,
said on Thursday that they contained "outlandish things", and
described the letters as "hard to follow."

"My immediate reaction was that there was not much we could do
for him."

Ashbrook even came by the STAR-TELEGRAM's offices and visited
Kaye -- who described the killer as "the opposite of someone
you'd be concerned about... He couldn't have been any nicer."

The eerie letters, which are dated July 31 and August 10, were
handed over to the Ft. Worth police on Thursday.

TEXT OF LARRY GENE ASHBROOK'S LETTERS:

City editor Stephen Kaye Fort Worth Star-Telegram 400 W. Seventh
St. Fort Worth, Texas, 76102 July 31, 1999

Sir:

I am interested in relating to you some events I have
experienced. If these events are true, then they would indicate a
serious injustice against me. Specifically: the denial of due
process for me in the investigation of me as a suspected serial
murderer. I use the term -investigation- loosely. It was not so
much an investigation as it was a continuous intereference in my
life and employment for a period of possibly twenty years.

Three operative terms apply to this situation: First; rumor
control, this was one method by which those investigating me used
to create problems for me: Second: Psychological warfare, this
was the general mode of of operation: Third: Plausible
deniability, the ideas those involved would proffer in order to
divert blame from themselves.

The first experience I had which became a clue to my future
problems occured in July of -79.- Soon after reporting to a
deployment site with the U.S. Navy squadron, I attended a social
event. While there I was pulled aside by a young man who was in
that squadron and he asked me some odd questions. The questions
involved the murder of someone I had no knowledge of. The tone of
his questions became almost accusatory. This was the first of
three similar events which occured during my active duty with the
Navy from -79- to -83.- What I eventually began to wonder was if
there were any reason for me to be a suspect in any murder. As I
now know, there were several abductions or murders of young women
in Fort Worth and Arlington during the -70s- when I lived in the
area.

After I moved back to Fort Worth in -84- the odd events became a
major problem in my life and occurred both on and off the job.
The seriousness of the events and the humiliation I sufered made
it impossible for me to keep a job.

The most pronounced situation began soon after I began work at
the Photo-Etch Company in 1986. Shortly after I was hired as a
machinist I was put on the evening shift with another employee
who was hired about a week after me. We were the only workers at
the company during that shift. At some point around September of
that year in the evening I was taking a break when the other
employee walked up to me and made a somewhat veiled indirect
threat. It went like this: -I have a lot of friends on the police
force, in fact I know a woman police officer who can kick your
(deleted) all over the place.- This was the beginning of
continuous troubles on the job at that company. When I attempted
to remedy the problems through the proper channels I got no
where. The troubles included minor physical abuse and general
disrespect by another employee.

Eventually after about six months of the situation I was visited
by the owners son. He identified himself as the one who oversees
the machine shop (even though I had never met him) and he called
me a liar concerning what was happening on the job. It was
obvious then that there was nothing I could do to remedy the
situation and I quit to look for another job.

During the period of unemployment that ensued the most blatant
event occurred. At that time in my life I was not dating,
socializing or spending much time with others. One evening I
decided to go out for a beer and I ended up at a nightclub on
East Lancaster. After I had been there for a few minutes a man
came and sat next to me at the bar. All that I recall of him is
that he talked about he had been in the U.S. Army special forces.
During the time we talked I began to feel slightly sick so I went
to the restroom. After a short time I felt better; however as I
returned to my seat I became very dizzy and passed out. Never
before had I experienced such an event. I was partically concious
and was aware that I as dragged out to the back of the bar by
several men. Eventually I told them that I believed that I had
been durgged and would they call the police. -We are the police-
was one man's reply. I was held against the wall with one mans
hand around my throat for several minutes. During that time I
described for them the man who had been sitting next to me. If
they did search for him they didn't find him. After a while I
felt better and left. Had I been at the east Fort Worth bar that
Linda Taylor was abducted from by Farryion Wardrip two years
earlier? I have other reasons for suspecting this.

The next job I had I was fired from, for no valid reason, one
week after the abduction of Wendy Robinson from Lake Weatherford.
I believe there was a connection.

In 1987, around the late summer, I began to seek the audience of
the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I certainly had reason to
believe I was being targeted by some investigative group. I was
unable to get an agent over the phone as the young woman who was
answering the phones would not connect me with one for reasons
I've never understood. By June -88- I decide to pay a visit to
the FBI office in person. I went to the down town Fort Worth
Federal Court House third floor office of the FBI and asked to
speak with an agent. An agent, I will not list his name here,
invited me to sit in his office and he would hear what I had to
say. The problem, though, is that he listened for about one
minute then stood-up and told me that I would be -contacted.- I
did not believe him though. I shook his hand and left.

Within about ten days I began to be visited by a person from the
neighborhood whom I had only been slightly acquainted with years
earlier. During the course of our initial, short, conversations
he asked me if I would be a -designated- driver for him and his
brother some time. I told him that I was uninterested. He
continued to come around for several weeks with the same request
until my interest was piqued and I consented to be his designated
driver so that he and his brother could visit a bar.

Beginning in late June I went to his house to pick him up and
take him to the bar he wanted to go to. We started out with him
directing me to go toward west Fort Worth on Loop 820. When we
got all the way around to the west side of -820- he began
discussing with his brother which bar to go to. Evenutally they
settled on a bar on Highway 180 even though we already exited on
to Route 199. After turning around and getting to -80- my
passengers decided they didn't want to go there either. I then
took them home. To make a long story short: in the foolowing year
up to April of -89- I continued to go over to this persons house
after he would call me. There were two recurrent phrases that
continued to come up in various conversations with him. The first
was that he -was going to do a cemetary job.- Initially when I
asked what he meant he said that he did lawn maintenance at a
cemetary. Then he would cite this quote which he said went back
to someone else: -Live by cancer, die by cancer.- All he meant by
this, he would say, ws that he was of the zodiac sign of the
cancer and that so was I. This relationship continued until the
day of Rick Green's arrest for the murders of several people in
west Fort Worth. When I called him up several times after Green's
arrest I was told by someone else that he was at -another
location.-He did not contact me again.

The possible connection is this: Ricky Green abducted two women
from a bar on -199.- Wendy Robinson was abducted from Lake
Weatherford which is near -180.- Was the drive my acquiantances
took me on supposed to be a test of some sort? I believe it was.

After Ricky Greens arrest I realized the reasons for my troubles.
There was no doubt. However; I could not forsee, at that time,
that there was another serial murderer, Faryion Waldrip, who fit
the same physical description of both Green and myself.

What could I have done about it? I tried for months to find a
lawyer who might make a case for me. After a year or so it was
evident no lawyers were going to be interested. Then I began
making contact with the media. I contacted three newspapers: The
Dallas Morning News, The Dallas Times Herald and The Fort Worth
Star-Telegram. All with no result. I contacted each of the
network TV station affiliate news rooms. None were interested.
During one conversation with a TV news anchor he asked me an odd
question: -Didn't you recently get out of the military.-Certainly
that struck me as a very strange or evne suspicious question for
him to ask. Why would he possibly think that I had been in the
military?

I have sought the assistance of many different people. I could
relate many more events that indicate that I was targeted as a
suspected serial murderer. There are many names of people whom I
could identify as being a party to the events. If just one
individual admitted, for there part what I allege, then I believe
the others would begin to be proven.

What I am asking is for you to investigate and tell my story.

Sincerely,

Larry Ashbrook

X X X X X

City Editor Stephen Kaye
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram
400 W. Seventh St.
Fort Worth, Texas 76102
August 10, 1999

Sir

This communication is an addendum to the July 31 letter. It is
obvious that you are uninterested in my story. Therefore, I find
it necessary to amplify certain aspects of it.

Consider one of three situations I experienced where people I had
never met volunteered that they were either former Central
Intelligence Agency employees or were laision with the CIA while
they were in the military.

In 1987, after being fired from the company I worked for in July,
as I related earlier, I got a job with a forging company in Fort
Worth. On the morning I reported to that company I aws to be
indoctrinated into the opearations of the machine shop by the
shop foreman. Unfortunately, it was not so much an indocrination
as it was a recounting of the mans exploits in Viet Nam.
Particularly his story was about how he worked laision with the
CIA and his exploits included special forces operations which
entailed assissination of enemy political units. This lecture
lasted the entire morning. From eight until lunchtime.

If this were the only time I had ever encountered someone who
voluntered such a story I would think nothing of it. However,
since it is one of three encounters and since it falls within the
time period that I am certain that I was being targeted as a
suspected serial murderer, then I must consider it a relevant
part of my situation. My employment at this company eventually
became impossible and I quit. Not because I could not work with
them but because they did not want to work with me.

Without belaboring the point with my experiences, I will call to
your attention two stories that have come out of the news in the
last decade. The first involved the Tarrant County Sheriffs
Department. I believe the year was 1991; and in that year there
was a situation which came to light in which it was found that
reserve deputies with the sheriffs department, who were full time
U.S. Airforce personel, were also discovered to be affiliated
with the Ku Klux Klan. What I particularly recall is that when
one of those involved personel was interviewed on TV (KXAS
Channel 5, NBC affiliate) he directly stated that they were
involved in -going after child abductors.- Amy Robinson's
abductor perhaps?

The second also involved the sheriff's department. The year was,
I believe, -95- or -96.- The story that came out disclosed that
an individual or individuals within the department had had, for
some time, a web site that contained the dossier's of suspects in
a criminal investigation. These files were being made available
to civilians so as to enable them to aid in the -criminal-
investigations. The implication of this should be obvious with
regard to my allegations.

What I must wonder about is the reason that no news reporting
agency, particularly yours, is interested in this story. Is it
because you think it implausible or unimportant? Is it because
the general political climate in Fort Worth is not conducive to
such a story? Or is there a clue in the words of John Chriswell,
then news anchor for the CBS affiliate, when he asked me, as I
was attempting to explain my situation: -Didn't you just get out
of the military?-

It is apparent to me that the suspicions against me have been
widely disseminated. I believe that there are a few individuals
who would realize no damage to themselves if they admitted to the
truth regarding my allegations.

With all due respect,

Larry Ashbrook

******************************
TIME Magazine

Terror In The Sanctuary
By David Van Biema Monday, Sep. 20, 1999

Here is the way one survivor tells it. When Larry Gene Ashbrook walked into the church sanctuary with his guns--a 9-mm semiautomatic and a .380-cal. one--he paused. He had already started a shooting spree outside that left two dead. But once inside he was approached by one of the teens who had been singing along with a Christian rock 'n' roll praise band. What the youngster offered the black-jacketed killer was heaven, saying, "You need Jesus." Ashbrook, 47, answered, "It's all bulls___, what you believe!" It was only then that he opened up on the over 100 defenseless worshippers, killing five more, wounding seven, creating martyrs.
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Last week's massacre at Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas, may not have happened quite that way. That's a version being offered by someone who was there, but it's unconfirmed. Yet even if it is pious invention, it gives a glimpse of the way some evangelical Christians, children and adults alike, are thinking these days about the string of killings around the U.S. in which they have been victims. Last week's toll was added to the count of Christian teens killed at Columbine and three students killed at a 1997 prayer circle in West Paducah, Ky. Many evangelical leaders have begun to see "committed Christians" as the latest victims of hate crimes of the sort perpetrated upon blacks, women and gays. They have also begun to view those attacks in terms of the history of their faith--as acts of Satan, and as part of a persecution that stretches back to the earliest days of Christianity, during which countless believers suffered and died for professing their faith.

It's an explanation that allows the bereaved a certainty and solace in the face of a horrible riddle. And faced with the same endless series of senseless bloodlettings, even more secular precincts of America have been giving such claims a respectful hearing. After the shootings a moist-eyed George W. Bush said, "There seems to be a wave of evil passing through America." Today show's Katie Couric, interviewing Wedgwood's pastor, Al Meredith, listened as he offered the standard explanation for the crime: the killer was "deranged and deluded." Then, almost hesitantly, the pastor noted, "There's some possible theological, religious reasons you may not be interested in." Said Couric: "Well, go ahead." And Meredith explained that because of all the seminary students attending Wedgwood, "if I were Satan, and if I were real, and I wanted to deliver a death knell to the kingdom of God, I would target this church."

The man wore jeans and was smoking a cigarette. The first person he shot was Jeff Laster, a seminarian working as a custodian who asked him to put it out. Next was Sydney Browning, the children's choir director, resting on a sofa in the foyer, followed by a young man who had been selling Christian CDs. In the sanctuary, the shooter found a roomful of adolescents, happily celebrating that morning's observance of See You at the Pole, an annual national event in which Christian teens gather around their school flagpoles before classes to pray. A band called Forty Days was playing a song titled Alle, alleluia, when Ashbrook was allegedly invited to accept the Lord. He moved to the back of the sanctuary, banged a door to get his audience's attention, and started firing again.

At first, some of the teens thought it was a joke, a skit "to remind everyone how precious life was," says one of their parents. A youngster saw the boy next to him grab his waist. "It's just a paint gun," claimed the one who got hit. Both of them watched red ooze from a real-looking wound. "It stings," said the injured boy, still not understanding what had happened to him. People dove behind pews. Mary Beth Talley, 17, noticed that her friend Heather McDonald was not hiding. McDonald has Down syndrome. Talley threw herself on McDonald. Ashbrook fired. Even after Talley was shot, she continued to comfort McDonald, trying to keep her quiet. Talley survived with minor wounds.

The murderer paced and yelled at his victims to "be still." He shot and reloaded, shot and reloaded. Only after he pulled a small pipe bomb from his pocket, lit it and rolled it down the aisle--it exploded harmlessly--did those who could make a break for the doors. Then Ashbrook strolled to a back pew, sat down and shot himself fatally in the temple.

The police and other authorities who searched his home and his life in the next 72 hours found plenty of clues to a deranged mind. The walls had holes punched in them; the toilets had been filled with concrete; a set of journals dating back a decade itemized plots against him. Neighbors would later report about his ranting and exposing himself. Some speculated that what finally unhinged him was the death in July of his 85-year-old father, who had been the unemployed Ashbrook's sole means of support. What no one found was any connection to the Wedgwood church or its congregation.

Some, however, believe they have an inkling. They suspect that in a secularized America in which they are a minority, evangelical Christians are being martyred for their beliefs. "I think that people are gonna have to count the cost of pursuing their faith in God," says Toby McKeehan, a member of dc Talk, one of the most popular Christian bands. "Something we thought was [just] history--people being killed because they had faith, people being martyred--is suddenly happening before our very eyes." Evangelicals have always admired martyrs, from those murdered by Diocletian to slain missionaries. But interest over the past year has exploded as Christians have made up an increasing proportion of the victims of mass murders. Last month McKeehan and his bandmates published Jesus Freaks, a catalog of martyrs past and present, written for teens. But the most talked-about new account of martyrdom is She Said Yes, the moving, nuanced story of Littleton victim Cassie Bernall by her mother Misty. Stores have bought 200,000 copies of the book, which came out last Monday, three days before the Fort Worth shooting. In the evangelical world, Cassie is almost universally considered a martyr. The Fort Worth dead, although their stories are not quite as pointed, will probably be seen similarly.

Such deaths resonate all the more since many conservative Christians increasingly see themselves as persecuted, if not so bloodily. Bob Reccord, president of the Southern Baptist North American Mission Board, explains that "when Christians stand for the absolute truth as found in Scripture, and society in general wants to jettison any absolutes, you immediately set up a tension." Until recently, Evangelicals understood that tension to be mostly a matter of legal barriers to school prayer and snide comments in the larger culture. But Reccord now suggests that "you can see where somebody [like Ashbrook] with emotional problems could express it as anger."

Jerry Falwell, as usual, goes a step further. "Most hate crimes in America today are not directed toward African-American or Jewish people or gays or lesbians," he claims. "They are directed at evangelical Christians." He blames "Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno" for not responding as forcefully to crimes against Evangelicals as they have to other kinds of hate crime.

Evangelicals' perception of themselves as targets has not yet altered their traditional opposition to gun control. Franklin Graham, Billy's son and heir apparent to his organization, says the true problem lies in our sinful nature: "Cain didn't use a gun." Reccord muses, "I think Evangelicals may say there are some things that perhaps need to be addressed through gun control, that guns, or perhaps kinds of guns, can contribute to violence. But they are not the ultimate problem, nor are TV shows or video games. The ultimate problem is inside the heart." And so, Evangelicals believe, is the ultimate answer

FORT WORTH, Texas -- A panel of health professionals is evaluating an Army psychiatrist to determine his mental state during last year's deadly shooting rampage at Fort Hood, his attorney said Friday.

The three-member military panel met with Maj. Nidal Hasan this week in jail and has until mid-January to submit its report, said Hasan's lead attorney John Galligan. The panel also will review any evidence presented by prosecutors and defense attorneys, although Galligan has repeatedly objected to the exam, citing a lack of access to some government reports about the case.

"Some key documents still haven't been released, so the panel doesn't have all of the information that it needs," Galligan said Friday from his office near Fort Hood, about 125 miles south of Fort Worth.

Such evaluations generally involve psychological testing and interviews by board members, but Galligan said he knew nothing about the specifics of Hasan's exam because defense attorneys were barred from observing.
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It's unclear if the panel will meet with Hasan again before submitting its report on whether he is competent to stand trial.

The panel also will determine if Hasan had a severe mental illness during the Nov. 5, 2009, shooting, and if so, whether such a condition prevented him from knowing at the time that his alleged actions were wrong.

After a brigade commander receives the panel's report, he will recommend whether Hasan should go to trial and face the death penalty for 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder. The final decision about how the case will proceed rests with a commanding general.

Last month an Army colonel who presided over a recent military hearing for Hasan made an initial recommendation that he should be court-martialed and face the death penalty. Army officials have not said if they would seek that punishment if Hasan goes to trial.

Military law experts have said the mental health panel's report will not affect the defense strategy if the case goes to trial, but Galligan has declined to say whether he might use an insanity defense.

Galligan had delayed Hasan's mental evaluation for a year - since Army officials announced plans for the exam about a month after the shooting. But Galligan argued that it should be done after an Article 32 hearing, held to determine if charges move forward in the military court system.

Hasan, 40, attended the recent hearing in his wheelchair. He was paralyzed from the waist down after being shot by Fort Hood police that day and has been in custody since then, now in the Bell County Jail that houses defendants for nearby Fort Hood.

During the hearing Hasan sometimes took notes and showed no reaction as 56 witnesses testified, including more than two dozen soldiers who survived gunshot wounds during the rampage on the Texas Army post.

Witnesses testified that a gunman wearing an Army combat uniform shouted "Allahu Akbar!" - Arabic for "God is great!" - and opened fire in a small but crowded medical building where deploying soldiers get vaccines and other tests. The gunman fired rapidly, pausing only to reload, even shooting some people as they hid under desks or fled the building, witnesses said.

The gunman was identified as Hasan, an American-born Muslim who was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan the following month.

Before the attack, Hasan bought a laser-equipped semiautomatic handgun and repeatedly visited a firing range, where he honed his skills by shooting at the heads on silhouette targets, witnesses testified during the hearing.

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sicknote · 11-12-2010, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sayonara tsunami

Its not exactly something you mention offhand in an interview, you have to read between the lines. After all it was a secret government program. The victims themselves have trouble recovering memories and probably don't even know what was really happening to them since it starts in childhood.

Hell, you wouldn't know what it was if the government hadn't forced the release of those documents!

So basically there is evidence to suggest murder, evidence for suicide, evidence Courtney was involved etc but nothing to suggest of MK-Ultra experiments.

hunkahunka · 12-12-2010, 01:09 AM

new four-part youtube series on mkultra:

video:

FORBIDDEN SECRETS MK ULTRA

1.

FORBIDDEN SECRETS MK ULTRA PART 1 - YouTube

2.

FORBIDDEN SECRETS MK ULTRA PART 2. - YouTube

3.

FORBIDDEN SECRETS MK ULTRA PART 3 - YouTube

4.

FORBIDDEN SECRETS MK ULTRA PART 4 - YouTube

hunkahunka · 12-12-2010, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunkahunka

new four-part youtube series on mkultra:

video:

FORBIDDEN SECRETS MK ULTRA

1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0LEB...eature=related

2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atE6x...eature=related

3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5S1F...eature=related

4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnTwR...eature=related

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04-12-2010, 09:28 AM	#3483
hunkahunka Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,350	December 1st interview of Ted Gunderson on mind control: Stan Monteith interviews former FBI investigator Ted Gunderson on the occult and mind control: http://radiolibertyarchives.gsradio....80/120110d.mp3 Last edited by hunkahunka; 04-12-2010 at 10:29 PM.

08-12-2010, 10:19 PM	#3489
pound Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 5,638	Wow, great information HunkaHunka. I never really stopped to pour over this thread until recently. The info that people have been able to dig up is quite amazing, scary in fact. Here's a few links for those interested in Dahmer. The people at findadeath.com discuss this abomination from time and time, lots of lesser known tidbits and "Oh I didn't know that" factoids about Dahmer and serial killers and Hollywood cover-up's in general are revealed and discussed there: http://www.findadeath.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1482 I know it's in bad taste and quite disgusting-but here's some of the crime scene photos from Dahmers apartment. A word of caution, don't view some of the photos if you're squeamish: http://www.findadeath.com/Decesed/d/...rey_dahmer.htm __________________ "Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes." -- Carl Jung "The educated person is one who knows how to find out what he does not know" -- George Simmel "Show me a true patriot, and I will show you a lover not merely of his own country, but of all mankind." -- Andrew Fletcher, 1707

10-12-2010, 10:56 AM	#3493
sicknote Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,566	Can you provide evidence beyond any reasonable doubt the CIA got hold of Cobain for MK-Ultra purposes?. Not opinion, not theory, but photographic or footage?. I've never heard family, friends, fans before his death or himself ever mention MK-ultra. Where's the resounding evidence?.