UK : Has David Davis MP Woken Up?

peterjohnglynn · 12-06-2008, 04:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ScwavvxYXI

Conservative Shadow Home Secretary David Davis announced on Thursday he would quit to fight the consequent by-election in his constituency on a platform of protest against government terrorism plans.

The announcement, which appeared to take even his own party by surprise, means the election will become an effective referendum on the controversial 42-days detention issue.

Conservative leader David Cameron called Davis' decision courageous and brave but stopped short of backing it. The government said it proved the Tories are in disarray.

Davis was a leading critic of the plan to increase the possible pre-charge detention time for terrorist suspects to 42 from 28 days, on which the government narrowly won a Commons vote late on Wednesday.

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Davis, 59, said he was "taking a stand".

"I will argue in this by-election against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this government," he told reporters outside parliament.

"Now that may mean I have made my last speech to the House ... and of course that would be a cause of deep regret to me.

"But at least my electorate and the nation as a whole, would have had the opportunity to debate and consider one of the most fundamental issues of our day -- the ever intrusive power of the state on our lives, the loss of privacy, the loss of freedom and a steady attrition undermining the rule of law."

He said if his electorate voted him back into parliament, "it will be with a single, simple message -- that the monstrosity of a law that we passed yesterday will not stand".

Cameron said the decision was a personal one that had not been taken after consultation with senior Tory officials.

"David Davis has made a very courageous (and) a very brave decision," he told reporters in Cornwall. "I wish him well in his by-election campaign.

Later in several media interviews, Davis denied speculation that his decision had caused a rift with Cameron, the man who beat him in the 2005 Conservative leadership election.

The Liberal Democrats, who also oppose the 42-day plan, said they would not fight the by-election in Davis' east Yorkshire constituency of Haltemprice and Howden which he held with a majority of 5,116 in 2005.

That decision means it will be a straight fight between Labour and the Conservatives and keep the controversial issue of pre-charge detention in the spotlight, to the discomfort of Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

Commentators have said Brown, his popularity at record lows in opinion polls, had used up substantial "political capital" to win Wednesday night's vote.

Davis will be replaced on the Tory front bench by the current Shadow Attorney General Dominic Grieve.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said the decision proved the opposition was in disarray.

"Faced with a crucial decision on the safety and protection of the British public, the Conservatives have collapsed into total disarray on what is their first big policy test since they have come under greater scrutiny," she said in a statement.

"David Cameron must come clean on what has really happened and why David Davis has really resigned."

diamond dogs · 12-06-2008, 07:08 PM

Very brave decision and lets see what happens in the by-election...let's see how the 'great British Public' react and which way they vote....Will bring the question of Tip Toe Totalitarianism to the fore..

swordofjustice · 12-06-2008, 07:34 PM

Must admit I view all this with a good degree of suspicion.

We know they're all different masks on the same face, so what is going on here? I just can't accept that David Davis could possibly be of the same mindset as, say, Michael Meacher.

Surely it's not a case that there's an attempt to pull attention away from the policies of the new UK LIBERTARIAN PARTY? Yes, they're for scrapping all detention without charge.

Mind you, as the LIB DEMS aren't contesting the Davis seat, I gather that LABOUR will not be either. So, one wonders, what is it that's trying to be proved here?

cruise4 · 12-06-2008, 07:43 PM

And can someone capable of good public speaking step up to the plate perhaps?
Canvassing for an independant might be interesting.

curly · 12-06-2008, 08:16 PM

i reckon most of the public have been so brainwashed by the press that they are glad these "terrorists" can be held for longer.they have no possible idea that they could have their collar felt and be held for 42 days if ever they try to protest in the future,and then have evidence planted on them so the police don't have to pay the £3000 a day fine for everyday after that.Hope he wins it though this will be very interesting.

celtic isis · 12-06-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by curly

i reckon most of the public have been so brainwashed by the press that they are glad these "terrorists" can be held for longer.they have no possible idea that they could have their collar felt and be held for 42 days if ever they try to protest in the future,and then have evidence planted on them so the police don't have to pay the £3000 a day fine for everyday after that.Hope he wins it though this will be very interesting.

great post curly

yep i don't know what to make of it either, hard to know if he is genuine or not or if this is a crafty tactic...mind you i was chuffed all the same to see it on the news, it's just so good to have someone anyone speak out about the erasing of britain's freedoms and that he will fight this...maybe it'll spark something in the people's minds.

jesus though the UK is a scary place to be! i had never even heard of this 42 days stuff!!

and then the whole voting thing going on in ireland too...it's crazy lately.

Omg skynews is one propaganda scaremongering channel eh! i could only keep it on for 20 mins max i could bare it no longer the amount of adverts showing images of "terror" and disater etc and the amount of times the word terror was used.

i'd love to email them and tell them what a bunch of shits they are and stupid shits for not realising who it is they really work for. lol

kweli · 12-06-2008, 10:09 PM

If he was genuine, it certainly wouldn't be rammed down our throats by the MSM like it has been.. he'd be hushed and wouldn't be recieving this kind of attention. Just my opinion.

h2pogo · 12-06-2008, 10:34 PM

hope fully a man has woken up to his conscience.
Any one as high ranking as him is going to get some press time whether neocons like it or not.
he wasn't allowed to make the statement of resignation in the commons.
may be a very positive day in British politics.

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h2pogo · 12-06-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewel

If he was genuine, it certainly wouldn't be rammed down our throats by the MS like it has been.. he'd be hushed and wouldn't be recieving this kind of attention. Just my opinion.

they cant hush him that much he was the shadow home secretary.
probably wont hear much about him after the bye election though.

john white · 12-06-2008, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kweli

If he was genuine, it certainly wouldn't be rammed down our throats by the MSM like it has been.. he'd be hushed and wouldn't be recieving this kind of attention. Just my opinion.

They've rammed us with lots of articles calling him a looney? Hardly a ringing endorsement on the MSM slurge about this: a different story in the public's submitted comments though

lightgiver · 13-06-2008, 12:07 AM

Did anyone see that bloke giving it to Cameron on BBC live 24 hr news,at Cornwall somewhere,

but trouble is he should have been giving it to brown

the bloke was saying you are the big fish ie(politicians) and us (ie you and me) are the small fish,
any other things what we are all thinking

the camera soon moved away

it was hilarious

and they have not re run the footage either,i have noticed,
what a circus it all is,,bbc, you and sky news you all suck..................

yep the media is run by the f masons and elites,it is rife and disgusting,

people need to start fighting back against all this shite,42 days and the rest of it,

it is out of control

darkhorse · 13-06-2008, 12:31 AM

Perhaps he has'nt really woken up but just maybe he's feeling the will of the people, people who vote and are very dissatisfied.
If I was him I'd start listening to the public because I can really see this NWO horror story going belly up.
I mean most people may not believe in the NWO or even heard of it but they do almost instinctively know thats there's something gone very wrong.

steevo · 13-06-2008, 12:50 AM

If David Davis loses the bi-election on this issue then that would give out the message that the people are in favour of the 42 day thing so maybe they are testing the waters ? Is it a PSYOP type thing where it all back fires on David Davis and the anti 42 day "terror" laws. They are already saying that David Davis is bonkers.

ANYWAY, let's hope that David Davis HAS woken up but I suppose, at the same time, we have to remember that most of these top politicians are masters of deception....let's see what happens.

h2pogo · 13-06-2008, 01:01 AM

seems quite genueine to me what he said is solid truth that had to be said.
this man deserves support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrKppxcmAk8

he has also said a few truths about europe or so i read somewhere.

steevo · 13-06-2008, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h2pogo

seems quite genueine to me what he said is solid truth that had to be said.
this man deserves support.

Yes he does deserve support on this, in fact he needs it. It's essential.

But (sorry to put a "but" in it

), but the "powers that be" know that a revolution is coming and they will do absolutely ANYTHING to ensure that their puppets stay in power by using puppets who say what we want to hear, so in effect they cover all bases. NEVERTHELESS, what he is saying is the TRUTH and it's good that this truth is being discussed in the mainstream (hopefully) now. Awareness is the key.

psych641 · 13-06-2008, 02:03 AM

Good speech, and i hope it does some good. That means ordinary people defending liberties through grass roots direct activism, not abdicating that responsibility to representatives of the political system.

this forced by-election business is an empty gesture, albeit a very, very shrewd one.

2005 results;

David Davis, Conservative 22,792 47.5
Jon Neal, Liberal Democrat 17,676 36.8
Edward Hart, Labour 6,104 12.7
Jonathan Mainprize, British National Party 798 1.7
Philip Lane, UK Independence Party 659 1.4

neither 'official' tory or lib dems will be standing candidates & If labour have 1/2 the political shrewdness of Davis then they wont either. Hes engineered a win-win situation & made himself look like a hero to boot!

h2pogo · 13-06-2008, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steevo

Yes he does deserve support on this, in fact he needs it. It's essential.

But (sorry to put a "but" in it

), but the "powers that be" know that a revolution is coming and they will do absolutely ANYTHING to ensure that their puppets stay in power by using puppets who say what we want to hear, so in effect they cover all bases. NEVERTHELESS, what he is saying is the TRUTH and it's good that this truth is being discussed in the mainstream (hopefully) now. Awareness is the key.

I see your piont.he may well be an illuminate puppet.
but if he really does mean what he says then support would encourage him and may be others to rebel against the nwo and eu.
how can we support a polotician in this country the thought has never crossed my mind before?

13-06-2008, 02:20 AM

I reckon the guy is off his rocker and will seriously regret what he has done. This guy doesn't care about our civil liberties, it's so obvious he is still bitter at Camerbafoon for becoming Tory Leader, when he wanted to do it.

I hope a decent independent stands against him and wins! Especially as NuLabour and the Libdums have already said they wont stand.

Back in 97 the Lib Dems won Winchester by 2 votes, and the Tories made a legal challenge to force a by-election and I think the lib dem guy (the one who later got caught with rent boys) subsequently won it by 22,000 votes 2nd time round, so the public have a proven dislike of forced by-elections.

zarah · 13-06-2008, 08:06 AM

I agree with the point that msm are implying his motives are either lunatic or self serving, it couldn't be ignored because of his position as shadow HS.

I really do hope his motives are to try to protect our civil liberties which this government are systematically eroding, than anything else.

When are we going to collectively take proactive action? How many of us are there who have woken up enough to understand what's going on?

celtic isis · 13-06-2008, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john white

They've rammed us with lots of articles calling him a looney? Hardly a ringing endorsement on the MSM slurge about this: a different story in the public's submitted comments though

hey john, what have the people been saying?

12-06-2008, 07:08 PM	#2
diamond dogs Premier Subscribers Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,780	Very brave decision and lets see what happens in the by-election...let's see how the 'great British Public' react and which way they vote....Will bring the question of Tip Toe Totalitarianism to the fore.. __________________ ''Media control is still based in the main on cultural manipulation. It's just so easy to do. When you set up one set of objectives toward the public and you've given them a certain definition for each code word, you hit them with the various code words and they're not going to believe anything if you don't want them to." Bowie

12-06-2008, 07:34 PM	#3
swordofjustice Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Somewhere in Cambridgeshire Posts: 25	Step back, deep breath, look again ...? Must admit I view all this with a good degree of suspicion. We know they're all different masks on the same face, so what is going on here? I just can't accept that David Davis could possibly be of the same mindset as, say, Michael Meacher. Surely it's not a case that there's an attempt to pull attention away from the policies of the new UK LIBERTARIAN PARTY? Yes, they're for scrapping all detention without charge. Mind you, as the LIB DEMS aren't contesting the Davis seat, I gather that LABOUR will not be either. So, one wonders, what is it that's trying to be proved here?

12-06-2008, 07:43 PM	#4
cruise4 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,647	And can someone capable of good public speaking step up to the plate perhaps? Canvassing for an independant might be interesting. Last edited by cruise4; 12-06-2008 at 08:26 PM.

12-06-2008, 10:09 PM	#7
kweli Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 3,653	If he was genuine, it certainly wouldn't be rammed down our throats by the MSM like it has been.. he'd be hushed and wouldn't be recieving this kind of attention. Just my opinion. __________________ When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion - Abraham Lincoln

13-06-2008, 12:07 AM	#11
lightgiver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,691	Did anyone see that bloke giving it to Cameron on BBC live 24 hr news,at Cornwall somewhere, but trouble is he should have been giving it to brown the bloke was saying you are the big fish ie(politicians) and us (ie you and me) are the small fish, any other things what we are all thinking the camera soon moved away it was hilarious and they have not re run the footage either,i have noticed, what a circus it all is,,bbc, you and sky news you all suck.................. yep the media is run by the f masons and elites,it is rife and disgusting, people need to start fighting back against all this shite,42 days and the rest of it, it is out of control Last edited by lightgiver; 13-06-2008 at 12:12 AM.

12-06-2008, 08:16 PM	#5
curly Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,546	i reckon most of the public have been so brainwashed by the press that they are glad these "terrorists" can be held for longer.they have no possible idea that they could have their collar felt and be held for 42 days if ever they try to protest in the future,and then have evidence planted on them so the police don't have to pay the £3000 a day fine for everyday after that.Hope he wins it though this will be very interesting.

13-06-2008, 12:31 AM	#12
darkhorse Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 21	maybe he's changing sides Perhaps he has'nt really woken up but just maybe he's feeling the will of the people, people who vote and are very dissatisfied. If I was him I'd start listening to the public because I can really see this NWO horror story going belly up. I mean most people may not believe in the NWO or even heard of it but they do almost instinctively know thats there's something gone very wrong.

13-06-2008, 12:50 AM	#13
steevo Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 13,906	If David Davis loses the bi-election on this issue then that would give out the message that the people are in favour of the 42 day thing so maybe they are testing the waters ? Is it a PSYOP type thing where it all back fires on David Davis and the anti 42 day "terror" laws. They are already saying that David Davis is bonkers. ANYWAY, let's hope that David Davis HAS woken up but I suppose, at the same time, we have to remember that most of these top politicians are masters of deception....let's see what happens.

13-06-2008, 02:03 AM	#16
psych641 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: w london Posts: 555	Good speech, and i hope it does some good. That means ordinary people defending liberties through grass roots direct activism, not abdicating that responsibility to representatives of the political system. this forced by-election business is an empty gesture, albeit a very, very shrewd one. 2005 results; David Davis, Conservative 22,792 47.5 Jon Neal, Liberal Democrat 17,676 36.8 Edward Hart, Labour 6,104 12.7 Jonathan Mainprize, British National Party 798 1.7 Philip Lane, UK Independence Party 659 1.4 neither 'official' tory or lib dems will be standing candidates & If labour have 1/2 the political shrewdness of Davis then they wont either. Hes engineered a win-win situation & made himself look like a hero to boot! Last edited by psych641; 13-06-2008 at 02:05 AM.

13-06-2008, 02:20 AM	#18
drhemp Guest Posts: n/a	I reckon the guy is off his rocker and will seriously regret what he has done. This guy doesn't care about our civil liberties, it's so obvious he is still bitter at Camerbafoon for becoming Tory Leader, when he wanted to do it. I hope a decent independent stands against him and wins! Especially as NuLabour and the Libdums have already said they wont stand. Back in 97 the Lib Dems won Winchester by 2 votes, and the Tories made a legal challenge to force a by-election and I think the lib dem guy (the one who later got caught with rent boys) subsequently won it by 22,000 votes 2nd time round, so the public have a proven dislike of forced by-elections. Last edited by drhemp; 13-06-2008 at 02:23 AM.

13-06-2008, 08:06 AM	#19
zarah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: It's all make believe - isn't it? Posts: 4,276	I agree with the point that msm are implying his motives are either lunatic or self serving, it couldn't be ignored because of his position as shadow HS. I really do hope his motives are to try to protect our civil liberties which this government are systematically eroding, than anything else. When are we going to collectively take proactive action? How many of us are there who have woken up enough to understand what's going on?