Is cooking oil REALLY being used in cars ?

[diamond dogs]

Originally Posted by steevo

I dont know about you guys but I dont know a single person who uses cooking oil as a fuel in their car. I also dont KNOW a single person who knows anyone who uses cooking oil to power their car.

So maybe we have all been scammed again. It's all just an excuse to put up the price of cooking oil (and food) IMO. I mean, the story about people using chip fat to power their cars was very well publicised on the MAINSTREAM MEDIA afterall

Tust me it DOES work as I have just brought 81 litres veg oil @95p litre from Lidl (posted yesterday on 'rice' thread).. have a Diesel Peugeot and without any modification or alteration it works absolutely fine as I believe Mr Diesel intended before he was bumped off over the rear of a ship (sound familiar). Was running 50/50 for some time then 60/40 but now 100% if you get close to exhaust it has a mild 'chippy' smell...

The only problem is the cost of veg oil as I posted yesterday Asda 3 litres overnight 2.97 to 3.49...so cleared Lidl shelves......

[cruise4]

Didn't Mr Diesal invent his engine to run off peanut oil but the ptb bought it up, changed a few things and voila... we needed the waste product they wished to sell.

[catfood]

Originally Posted by cruise4

Didn't Mr Diesal invent his engine to run off peanut oil but the ptb bought it up, changed a few things and voila... we needed the waste product they wished to sell.

Well I thought diesel was a waste product of the oil refinery process until someone invented an engine that could run of it

[kblood]

Originally Posted by steevo

Personally, I think that biofuels are not ethical and should NOT be used in cars simply because it vastly inflates the price of food and we need to get our priorities right. I just dont think that we should go down that road. It's just not necessary. But that's just my opinion.

Water can be used as fuel and has no pollution. That is the way we should be heading but they are fighting us to the death to stop us using it. The "powers that be" probably own the patents for most hydrogen fuel cells and because of this the "law" stops any of us using a car that would cost virtually nothing to run.

I dont see anything good at all about using cooking oil in cars. Less pollution yes, but it's simply not sustainable, end of story. That's just my opinion though

Some people just use the cooking oil that is meant to be dumbed anyway as leftover trash. Used oil. Then this frying oil is filtered, maybe some fuel something is added to it to make it better as fuel, and then its ready to go into a car. At least that is what I have heard and read.

If everyone changed to using cooking oil, then yes it would have a huge impact on the prices of produce. Still the EU have had a huge over production for a few years I think, maybe this could help make it usefull, by making it into cooking oil, or biofuel.

Cooking oil is just one of the alternatives that I find better than using regular oil or gas to fuel our ways of travel.

Lets use both dead plants and dead animals to fuel our cars Oil is a biproduct of age old corpses if I am not mistaken.

[diamond dogs]

Originally Posted by cruise4

Didn't Mr Diesal invent his engine to run off peanut oil but the ptb bought it up, changed a few things and voila... we needed the waste product they wished to sell.

The diesel engine has the benefit of running more fuel-efficiently than gasoline engines. Diesel was especially interested in using coal dust or vegetable oil as fuel, his engine in fact ran on peanut oil. Although these fuels were not immediately popular, recent rises in fuel prices coupled with concerns about oil reserves have led to more widespread use of vegetable oil and biodiesel. The primary source of fuel remains what became known as Diesel fuel, an oil byproduct derived from refinement of petroleum


In the evening of 29 September 1913, Diesel boarded the post office steamer Dresden in Antwerp on his way to a meeting of the "Consolidated Diesel Manufacturing Ltd." in London. He took dinner on board the ship and then retired to his cabin at about 10 p.m., leaving word for him to be called the next morning at 6:15 a.m. He was never seen alive again. Ten days later, the crew of the Dutch boat "Coertsen" came upon the corpse of a man floating in the sea. The body was in such a heavy state of decomposition that they did not bring it aboard. Instead, the crew retrieved personal items (pill case, wallet, pocket knife, eyeglass case) from the clothing of the dead man, which on October 13th were identified by Rudolf's son, Eugen Diesel, as belonging to his father.

[cruise4]

Well well well, I didn't know that bit. Another pioneer trying to allow economic free energy to flourish topped, by the sound of it.

[jhado]

Using Spain's vast olive oil crops for fuel might also upset the overall culinary oil market as I have read that Spain is apparently the biggest commercial producer of olive oil but a vast amount is sold in bulk to the Italians. They blend it with their own lesser volumes to on sell as an Italian product and give the impression that Italy is the No 1 grower-producer.

A Ferrari on extra virgin has a nice ring to it.

So, it's not about increasing the price of the cooking-oil, it's about removing more healthy stuff from our diets.

[neutron flux]

A 34-year-old Briton who drove a truck to Timbuktu on factory-reject chocolate is planning to lead 30 cars, powered only by cooking oil, on a two-week rally from London to Athens in August, Britain's Guardian newspaper reported yesterday.

The aim of the trip is to find out if using waste vegetable oil is practical for long distances, according to Andy Pag, who said drivers will set off with a full tank of chip fat and then have to scrounge from European restaurants. Participants should have the "ability to explain to a Croatian kebab shop owner that you need his grease," Pag quipped.

Drivers are to set off on August 16 from a "greasy spoon" cafe in London and to arrive in Athens two weeks later after crossing mainland Europe. Apart from raising awareness about biofuels, the "Grease to Greece" rally is also raising funds for the British Heart Foundation.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../05/2008_97071

[diamond dogs]

Originally Posted by cruise4

Well well well, I didn't know that bit. Another pioneer trying to allow economic free energy to flourish topped, by the sound of it.

Ten days later, the crew of the Dutch boat "Coertsen" came upon the corpse of a man floating in the sea. The body was in such a heavy state of decomposition that they did not bring it aboard. Instead, the crew retrieved personal items (pill case, wallet, pocket knife, eyeglass case) from the clothing of the dead man, which on October 13th were identified by Rudolf's son, Eugen Diesel, as belonging to his father.

Funny how they did not bring the body on board but managed to retrieve all the items...my theory...murdered in his bed and items kept for identification.....

Have not done any research into the meeting he was going to and who was head of the Consolodated Diesel Manufacturing Ltd..love to see some suspect names mentioned????

[steevo]

The point of my thread is that I think NOT MANY PEOPLE AT ALL use cooking oil as a fuel for their cars yet the price of cooking oil rises. THAT IS THE SCAM that I'm talking about.

And my own personal opinion on using cooking oil as a fuel for cars is that it's immoral, not to mention bloody expensive, to save a few quid at best. If we ALL used cooking oil then the price WOULD go up and JUSTIFIABLY SO. The solution is to spread the word about water being used as a fuel in cars and buses and trains cos THAT is the future and it should have been introduced half a centrury ago.

And if the people are using OLD USED COOKING OIL like someone has already mentioned on here, then WHY are the prices of cooking oil going up ? IT'S A SCAM I TELLS YA!

[diamond dogs]

It's all a scam...they have technology (not to mention the pyramid transportation DI mentioned at his talk) like water, revolutionary carbs, elctromagnet tecnology e.t.c e.t.c

http://[[media]http://www.youtube.co...tounano/MEDIA]

I think this one's ligit

[h2pogo]

i know lots of people who run compression ignition engines on vegetable oil.
the compression ignition engine was designed to run on vegetable oil.
lots of garages especially in Spain sell bio fuel on the pumps and will soon be selling bio ethanol for petrol engines.
i am sure this is having an effect on the price of food but not as much as commodity dealers on the stock exchange who are speculating on non perishable commodities as property and shares are not as profitable.
the best oil is hemp seed oil.
hemp produces lots more oil per acre and doesn't need as much chemicals on the land, the buy product being paper,plastic and building materials , it could be used in place of crops used for paper that destroy the land which are not even profitable.
hemp oil used with hydrogen boosters i think would be sustainable and not damaging to the environment and would make poor people richer.

[halebox]

Funny this guy came into my work today and gave me his website
http://www.watertogas.com/
Also these is a big veg oil car conversion place called lovecraft in silverlake los angeles.

[niftygifter]

VW tell me I have to have the car "modified" is this bullshit then?

All my surfing mates run their vans on cooking oil

Nifty

[icke_is_right]

http://www.smartveg.com/how_does_sma...tveg_video.php

I found this video a good explanation for anyone wanting to know about conversion.

[chrism]

Originally Posted by steevo

The point of my thread is that I think NOT MANY PEOPLE AT ALL use cooking oil as a fuel for their cars yet the price of cooking oil rises. THAT IS THE SCAM that I'm talking about.

And my own personal opinion on using cooking oil as a fuel for cars is that it's immoral, not to mention bloody expensive, to save a few quid at best. If we ALL used cooking oil then the price WOULD go up and JUSTIFIABLY SO. The solution is to spread the word about water being used as a fuel in cars and buses and trains cos THAT is the future and it should have been introduced half a centrury ago.

And if the people are using OLD USED COOKING OIL like someone has already mentioned on here, then WHY are the prices of cooking oil going up ? IT'S A SCAM I TELLS YA!

Just to pour oil on the flames (sorry - had to say it) I would point out that people not using a 'free' source of diesel like energy is NOT a scam. People can choose to do it if they desire, and the process is very easy. WHere is the scam?

And prices rising for oil? Have you not been keeping abreast of the changes in food prices for the last year and a bit? The poor harvests throughout the world (and vegetable oil is a harvested commodity, in case you were unaware - Those fields of yellow crop are 'Oil Seed Rape' from which we get 'Rape Seed Oil', more commonly known as vegetable oil) have led to vast increases in the cost of all foods. This also impacts meat prices, because the 'growth' of animals is dependant on grain, and so prices for the feed have increased.

Using water in cars - what do you mean by that? water has one of the lowest intrinsic values of any substance, which is why there is so much of it about. If you are talking about Hydrogen Fuel Cells, then the expense and environmental cost of manufacture have to be overcome. If you think you can simply put water into a fuel tank and drive on it, then you have a lot to learn about chemistry, physics and the laws of conservation of energy.

The subject of renewable energy is an important one, I hope something can be found shortly to replace our dependence on fossil fuels, and vegetable oil is one possible avenue - and I do not see anything immoral about using WASTE vegetable oil to fuel cars, in fact I see failing to do so when the possibility exists as an immoral waste of resources.

Chrism

[steevo]

Originally Posted by chrism

Just to pour oil on the flames (sorry - had to say it) I would point out that people not using a 'free' source of diesel like energy is NOT a scam. People can choose to do it if they desire, and the process is very easy. WHere is the scam?

And prices rising for oil? Have you not been keeping abreast of the changes in food prices for the last year and a bit? The poor harvests throughout the world (and vegetable oil is a harvested commodity, in case you were unaware - Those fields of yellow crop are 'Oil Seed Rape' from which we get 'Rape Seed Oil', more commonly known as vegetable oil) have led to vast increases in the cost of all foods. This also impacts meat prices, because the 'growth' of animals is dependant on grain, and so prices for the feed have increased.

Using water in cars - what do you mean by that? water has one of the lowest intrinsic values of any substance, which is why there is so much of it about. If you are talking about Hydrogen Fuel Cells, then the expense and environmental cost of manufacture have to be overcome. If you think you can simply put water into a fuel tank and drive on it, then you have a lot to learn about chemistry, physics and the laws of conservation of energy.

The subject of renewable energy is an important one, I hope something can be found shortly to replace our dependence on fossil fuels, and vegetable oil is one possible avenue - and I do not see anything immoral about using WASTE vegetable oil to fuel cars, in fact I see failing to do so when the possibility exists as an immoral waste of resources.

Chrism

I know what rape seed is thanks (genetically modified btw). And there will NEVER be enough of it to cater for us to use as fuel (unless they decide to depopulate us). The scam is that the mainstream media "report" that loads of people are using vegetable oil (yes rape seed oil too ) to power their cars and thus we then accept that the price of vegetable oil has to rise ----YES IT'S A SCAM MATE.

Correct I was talking about hydrogen fuel cells. They will stop the destruction of the enviroment massively. Look up how they work and you will see it can be done very easily. They just need to build new types of cars and buses like they did in Perth WA but the "powers that be" took them off the road soon after. Yes Hydrogen Fuel Cells are in existence right now but they are stopping it being used to the point of assasinating anyone who dares produce and publicise these things.

No you cannot just put water into your diesel or petrol engine!

[niftygifter]

Once again, HERE's KEVIN the TRUE American HERO

http://blog.waterforfuel.com/

He is nearly there with Stan Meyers patents and has also been given them by Stans brother (allegedly)

Bless this Guy, he takes NO shit from anyone


Nifty

[cruise4]

DO NOT necessarily believe in the so called laws of conservation of energy. Things are 'relative'. And I predict with minor changes, once freedom is allowed, YOU WILL be able to put water in your tank and drive. However there are better 'electrical' methods that may have already made that idea obsolete. And I also suspect non of this will matter in a few years anyway. Plus the sheeple must all suffer to wake up

[chrism]

Originally Posted by steevo

I know what rape seed is thanks (genetically modified btw). And there will NEVER be enough of it to cater for us to use as fuel (unless they decide to depopulate us). The scam is that the mainstream media "report" that loads of people are using vegetable oil (yes rape seed oil too ) to power their cars and thus we then accept that the price of vegetable oil has to rise ----YES IT'S A SCAM MATE.

I didn't mean to suggest you were unaware of the origins of vegetable oil, but many people seem to think it comes from somewhere else. And if it had not been genetically modified (through selective breeding or through laboratory modification) then it would not produce anywhere near as much product as it does.

Not that I think this is the way to go. Personally I prefer the use of hemp to produce an alcohol for use in vehicles. The environmental impact of such fuels is zero (the only products being the carbon dioxide and water 'soaked up' in the production of the hemp) and the plants are a far more effective method of 'fixing' sunlight into a fuel source than Hydrogen Fuel Cells at the moment. I don't suggest they won't be much better in the future, but nature has already provided us with a solution!

Originally Posted by steevo

Correct I was talking about hydrogen fuel cells. They will stop the destruction of the enviroment massively. Look up how they work and you will see it can be done very easily. They just need to build new types of cars and buses like they did in Perth WA but the "powers that be" took them off the road soon after. Yes Hydrogen Fuel Cells are in existence right now but they are stopping it being used to the point of assasinating anyone who dares produce and publicise these things.

HFCs utilise sunlight or other external energy to produce the fuel used in the vehicle. Unless it IS sunlight being used, then some alternative power needs to be provided. At the moment, HFCs can be used to propel a VERY LIGHT vehicle many miles at reasonable speeds providing this external source remains available.

Shippin is a different matter. For example, to move an 18 tonne truck, or even rail cart, would require HFC arrays roughly the size of a football pitch with the technology we have today, meaning as a method of mass transportation it is not a feasible option.

Renewable carbon-based fuel, on the other hand, is much more efficient (plants have been using sun-power for a lot longer than we have been around) and for the moment is the obvious choice. They are also entirely carbon-neutral, despite the name.

I am sure there are many organisations, multinational companies and corporations who benefit from the current model of fossil fuel use, and they would of course wish to 'protect their investment'. Some of these companies are indeed unscrupulous enough to stoop to the levels you are talking about, which is a disgusting abuse of power. Unfortunately, there are enough fraudulent claims of conspiracies to cover up alternative energy sources to make any real attempted murder or threats blend in to the background. Just look at Brown's Gas (failed HFC, theoretically?) as an example.

Originally Posted by steevo

No you cannot just put water into your diesel or petrol engine!

It seems that someone above disagrees with you!