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december · 06-04-2007, 02:49 AM

Was the CIA Behind the Chavez Coup?
by William Blum

How do we know that the CIA was behind the coup that overthrew Hugo Chavez?

Same way we know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. That's what it's always done and there's no reason to think that tomorrow morning will be any different.

Consider Chavez's crimes:

Branding the US attacks on Afghanistan as "fighting terrorism with terrorism", he demanded an end to "the slaughter of innocents"; holding up photographs of children killed in the American bombing attacks, he said their deaths had "no justification, just as the attacks in New York did not, either." In response, the Bush administration temporarily withdrew its ambassador.

Being very friendly with Fidel Castro and selling oil to Cuba at discount rates.

His defense minister asking the permanent US military mission in Venezuela to vacate its offices in the military headquarters in Caracas, saying its presence was an anachronism from the cold war.

Not cooperating to Washington's satisfaction with the US war against the Colombian guerrillas.

Denying Venezuelan airspace to US counter-drug flights.

Refusing to provide US intelligence agencies with information on Venezuela's large Arab community.

Questioning the sanctity of globalization.

Promoting a regional free-trade bloc and united Latin American petroleum operations as a way to break free from US economic dominance.

Visiting Sadaam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gaddafy in Libya.

And more in the same vein which the Washington aristocracy is unaccustomed to encountering from the servant class.

The United States has endeavored to topple numerous governments for a whole lot less.

The Washington Post reported from Venezuela on April 13: "Members of the country's diverse opposition had been visiting the U.S. Embassy here in recent weeks, hoping to enlist U.S. help in toppling Chavez. The visitors included active and retired members of the military, media leaders and opposition politicians.

"The opposition has been coming in with an assortment of 'what ifs'," said a U.S. official familiar with the effort. "What if this happened? What if that happened? What if you held it up and looked at it sideways? To every scenario we say no. We know what a coup looks like, and we won't support it."

Right. They won't support a coup. So what happens when a coup occurs which they want to support? Simple. They don't call it a coup. They call it a "change of government" and say that Chavez was ousted "as a result of the message of the Venezuelan people." Veritable grass-roots democracy it was.

Opposition legislators were also brought to Washington in recent months, including at least one delegation sponsored by the International Republican Institute, an integral part of the National Endowment for Democracy, long used by the CIA for covert operations abroad.

Overthrowing a man such as Hugo Chavez, guilty of such transgressions, was a duty so "natural" for the CIA that the only reason it might not have been intimately involved in the operation would be that the Agency had been secretly disbanded.

http://www.counterpunch.org/blum0414.html

Support Hugo Chavez!!!

december · 06-04-2007, 02:52 AM

Hugo Chavez kicks out american businesses...

Venezuela buys out Verizon

Thomas Catan

Venezuela took another step towards nationalising key sectors of its economy yesterday, announcing a deal to pay $572 million (£290 million) to Verizon, the US mobile operator, for its 28.5 per cent stake in Cantv, Venezuela’s largest telecoms firm.

New York-based Verizon said that the deal had been satisfactory for both sides, but analysts speculated that the company was merely relieved to be quitting the country without incurring a huge loss. The price of $17.85 per American Depositary Receipt was well below the $21 many analysts thought reasonable.

Mexico’s Telmex had been poised to buy Verizon’s stake in Cantv for an estimated $676 million last year, but the agreement was made void after President Chávez announced the state takeover of the company.
Mr Chávez has accused Cantv of being in league with Venezuelan "coup plotters" and spying on him at the behest of the US Government.
He also says the company was "given away" during its privatisation in the early 1990s.

However, unlike Cuba in 1959, Venezuela has compensated foreign companies for their assets, even if not at the full market value. And some analysts said that Verizon’s deal could turn out to be better than it seemed at face value.

Given the speed of the deal, Mr Richard said it "had to be pretty good for Verizon, otherwise it could have dragged its feet a little more". He added: "Verizon obtained sufficient benefits during its operation of the company. Nobody is coming out of this losing."

READ MORE -

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1381411.ece

december · 13-04-2007, 07:59 PM

Chavez praises military deal with Russia hours before key vote

The leftist South American leader is certain of his reelection on Sunday. He will push a new constitutional reform to introduce the unlimited reelection of the President and mechanisms to illegalize opposition parties.

As the Venezuelan presidential campaign concludes amid crossed accusations of fraud and instigation to violence, President Hugo Chavez, who seeks his reelection on Sunday, made a strong defense of the military agreements signed with Russia and vowed to increase the cooperation between Caracas and Moscow in this field. Opposition leaders, the United States and some Latin American administrations had expressed their concerns over the acquisition by Venezuela of Russian made assault rifles, helicopters and battle aircrafts.

“Each country has the right to buy the weapons it considers necessary to modernize its armed forces”, said Chavez on Thursday during a three-hour news conference with the foreign in media in Caracas , Pravda.Ru among them. “We bought Russian helicopters because they are much more efficient than the US ones. We want to further advance in the cooperation with Moscow because they also provide with technology to produce weaponry in our country”, he added. As part of the agreement, Chavez commented that he is planning to settle a factory to produce AK-47 rifles in Venezuela to sell them abroad at the cheapest price.

“Bush should quit”

Hugo Chavez in Russia

President of Venezuela Hugo Chavez at the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant, which makes Kalashnikov assault rifles. Russia delivered over 30,000 AK-103 automatic rifles to Venezuelain late June under a contract for the supply of 100,000 automatic rifles. Earlier in the month, the two countries signed $1 billion contracts for supplying military planes and helicopters to Venezuela.

nihil · 22-08-2009, 01:05 AM

Hugo Chavez is against the NWO .

lightgiver · 22-08-2009, 01:18 AM

Hugo Chavez is a NWO puppet.

and a well paid one at that.

and here is his mate,who he pretends to argue with,

They all pee in the same pot.

nihil · 22-08-2009, 01:29 AM

His political opposition against USA is a fact, but I hardly consider that Chavez, as President of a deep catholic populace, couldn't homage the Pope ashe did .

He just can't go against everyone . He does a lot even though .

lightgiver · 22-08-2009, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nihil

His political opposition against USA is a fact, but I hardly consider that Chavez, as President of a deep catholic populace, couldn't homage the Pope ashe did .

He just can't go against everyone . He does a lot even though .

Really arnie

In fact, the "Chávez is good for the poor" hypothesis is wrong. Neither official statistics nor independent estimates show any evidence that Chávez has reoriented state priorities to benefit the poor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/op...rodroguez.html

http://www.rethinkvenezuela.com/downloads/ceprpov.htm

He is a puppet,

Wolves in sheep's clothing,anyone buying arms is a puppet.Its all controlled opposition.Do not be fooled I am sure you are not.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

anyone supporting the Chinese regime is just another puppet.

and Fidel Castro is a puppet also.

nihil · 22-08-2009, 01:38 AM

Don't know, but the option of an army of Chavez versus an Army the Pharaoh Obama is unimmaginable for sure... populistic outings by Hugo Chavez .

lightgiver · 22-08-2009, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nihil

Don't know, but the option of an army of Chavez versus an Army the Pharaoh Obama is unimmaginable for sure... populistic outings by Hugo Chavez .

They are all puppets,its just a game to these Dare I say people.

I Feel you already know this.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50137

we have heard and seen it all before.

Chavez's administration is slowly tightening its grip over the news media, raising concerns among watchdog and human rights groups that accuse the government of trying to stifle dissent.

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/20...ratocracy.html

nihil · 22-08-2009, 01:43 AM

Hey, I posted a Masonic Occupied Governments List...

Do you think that 99% of World Governments are prone to a NWO Agenda ??

lightgiver · 22-08-2009, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nihil

Hey, I posted a Masonic Occupied Governments List...

Do you think that 99% of World Governments are prone to a NWO Agenda ??

They are all puppets,you really think the NWO would allow any real freedom.They have always had control,the world is fake.

No One Is Free.

Only the Buddhas.

The Babylonian Brotherhood
As the flood waters receded after the Venus cataclysm, the survivors came down from the mountains and up from within the Earth. They settled on the lowlands and plains and began to rebuild. This was when Sumer, Egypt and the civilization in the Indus Valley suddenly appeared at a very high level of technological advancement, although they had existed before and were now restored after the upheavals. The Sumerian society began at the peak of its development because of this sudden infusion of knowledge and the white Aryan race, originally from Mars, expanded out from the Caucasus Mountains and the Near East down into Sumer, Egypt and the Indus Valley where, as even conventional history agrees, highly advanced societies spontaneously emerged.

However, within this white race, and others also, was a genetic stream I will call reptile-Aryan or reptile-human, Whenever I use the term Aryan I am referring to the white race. These were the crossbreed bloodlines created from the genetic manipulation of the Anunnaki. The major center for the reptile-Aryan bloodlines, in the ancient world after the flood waters receded, was Babylon in the south of the Sumer region alongside the River Euphrates. A closer look at the evidence appears to date the foundation of Babylon far earlier than previously believed and it was one of the first cities of the post-flood era. It was here that the mystery schools and secret societies were formed which were to span the globe in the thousands of years that followed.

The Brotherhood which controls the world today is the modern expression of the Babylonian Brotherhood of reptile-Aryan priests and ‘royalty' which came together there after the flood. It was in Babylon in this post flood period from around 6,000 years ago that the foundation beliefs - manipulated beliefs - of today's world religions were established to control and rule the people.

The founder of Babylon according to ancient texts and legend was Nimrod who reigned with his wife, Queen Semiramis. Nimrod was described as a ‘mighty tyrant' and one of the ‘giants.' The Arabs believed that after the flood it was Nimrod who built or rebuilt the amazing structure at Baalbek in Lebanon with its three stones weighing 800 tons each. It was said that he ruled the region that is now Lebanon and, according to Genesis, the first centers of Nimrod's kingdom were Babylon, Akkad and others in the land of Shinar (Sumer). Later he expanded further into Assyria to build cities like Nineveh where many of the Sumerian Tablets were found.

Nimrod and Semiramis (or the beings those names symbolized) were from the reptile bloodlines which also became known as Titans, the genetic streams of the reptile-possessed humans and the full blood reptilians. This race of ‘giants' or ‘Titans' was said to have been descendants of Noah, the baby described in the Book of Enoch (previously the Book of Noah) as being a Watcher-human hybrid with extremely white skin. The father of Nimrod in the text of Genesis was Cush, also known as bel or belus, who was the grandson of Noah and son of Ham. Cush became known as the deity, Hermes, which means son of Ham. Ham or Khem means the ‘burnt one' and may have been connected to Sun worship. A great network of seities emerged from Babylon and its connections with Egypt.

nihil · 22-08-2009, 02:33 AM

There's just one thing that makes me angry when I see Chavez: I look at him and I see a Atzec/Mayan face...
but those People in Central-South America have been forced to the Catholic Religion with bribes and mass killing .

This is Sad . They have lost their Origin IMHO .
.

Chavez is from the Portuguese: it means "keys" .

.

dawnismygoddess · 22-08-2009, 02:51 AM

Why would I lend support to a Commie Stooge? Are you kidding me?

hqueen13 · 22-08-2009, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Hugo Chavez is a NWO puppet.

and a well paid one at that.

and here is his mate,who he pretends to argue with,

They all pee in the same pot.

I agree!!

Sadly the "visible oppositions" to the system are not real ones.

Hugo Chavez is another puppet of the shadows in power.

nihil · 22-08-2009, 02:55 AM

Communism is just a Social Experiment .

Gone too far than expected IMHO

dawnismygoddess · 22-08-2009, 06:27 AM

LOL!

Now it all makes sense, I see that the OP has been banned.

nihil · 22-08-2009, 07:28 AM

ban's good ??

flyermay · 22-08-2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Hugo Chavez is a NWO puppet.

and a well paid one at that.

and here is his mate,who he pretends to argue with,

They all pee in the same pot.

I think you misunderstood what happened between the King of Spain and Chavez. They are not mortal enemies in front of the cameras, and seceretly friends behind them; nor they even have an argument!!!

The matter is simple: Zapatero was talking about Aznar in a meeting, and Chavez was interrupting him; the King of Spain told Chavez "porqué no te callas" (why don't you shut up [...and let Zapatero finish]). That's all that is to this matter. They met againt in public weeks later, both apologised and exchanged gits; and everyone happy.

Object moved

About Chavez visiting China and increasing oil sales: I really don't see where is the problem... Isn't Chavez supposed to be a communist supporter???

And don't even get me started on Fidel: probably the greatest, and definitely the most successful, fighter against US imperialism, the NWO agenda, Globalisation and the illuminati. By the way, happy birthday again Fidel!!!

Either way... back to the "support for Hugo Chavez"; here are some quotes:

“[The planet] is being destroyed under our own noses by the capitalist model, the destructive engine of development, ... every day there is more hunger, more misery thanks to the neo-liberal, capitalist model.”

“We must confront the privileged elite who have destroyed a large part of the world.”

“I have said it already, I am convinced that the way to build a new and better world is not capitalism. Capitalism leads us straight to hell.”

“I hereby accuse the North American empire of being the biggest menace to our planet.”

“A coup happened in Venezuela that was prepared by the U.S. What do they want? Our oil, as they did in Iraq”

“They [the capitalist elite] make us slaves”

“The left is back, and it's the only path we have to get out of the spot to which the right has sunken us, ... Socialism builds and capitalism destroys.”

“Peoples of the Americas are rising once again, saying no to imperialism, saying no to fascism, saying no to intervention -- and saying no to death”

nihil · 22-08-2009, 10:36 AM

At least he's NOT totally prone to the NWO . Better than nothing .

lightgiver · 22-08-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyermay

I think you misunderstood what happened between the King of Spain and Chavez. They are not mortal enemies in front of the cameras, and seceretly friends behind them; nor they even have an argument!!!

The matter is simple: Zapatero was talking about Aznar in a meeting, and Chavez was interrupting him; the King of Spain told Chavez "porqué no te callas" (why don't you shut up [...and let Zapatero finish]). That's all that is to this matter. They met againt in public weeks later, both apologised and exchanged gits; and everyone happy.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=23338789

About Chavez visiting China and increasing oil sales: I really don't see where is the problem... Isn't Chavez supposed to be a communist supporter???

And don't even get me started on Fidel: probably the greatest, and definitely the most successful, fighter against US imperialism, the NWO agenda, Globalisation and the illuminati. By the way, happy birthday again Fidel!!!

Either way... back to the "support for Hugo Chavez"; here are some quotes:

“[The planet] is being destroyed under our own noses by the capitalist model, the destructive engine of development, ... every day there is more hunger, more misery thanks to the neo-liberal, capitalist model.”

“We must confront the privileged elite who have destroyed a large part of the world.”

“I have said it already, I am convinced that the way to build a new and better world is not capitalism. Capitalism leads us straight to hell.”

“I hereby accuse the North American empire of being the biggest menace to our planet.”

“A coup happened in Venezuela that was prepared by the U.S. What do they want? Our oil, as they did in Iraq”

“They [the capitalist elite] make us slaves”

“The left is back, and it's the only path we have to get out of the spot to which the right has sunken us, ... Socialism builds and capitalism destroys.”

“Peoples of the Americas are rising once again, saying no to imperialism, saying no to fascism, saying no to intervention -- and saying no to death”

I have misunderstood nothing,all puppets peeing in the same corrupt broken leaky pot.

All isms and schisms, none better than the other, all labels of deceit.

06-04-2007, 02:49 AM	#1
december Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Isle of Rugen Posts: 2,017	Support Hugo Chavez! Was the CIA Behind the Chavez Coup? by William Blum How do we know that the CIA was behind the coup that overthrew Hugo Chavez? Same way we know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. That's what it's always done and there's no reason to think that tomorrow morning will be any different. Consider Chavez's crimes: Branding the US attacks on Afghanistan as "fighting terrorism with terrorism", he demanded an end to "the slaughter of innocents"; holding up photographs of children killed in the American bombing attacks, he said their deaths had "no justification, just as the attacks in New York did not, either." In response, the Bush administration temporarily withdrew its ambassador. Being very friendly with Fidel Castro and selling oil to Cuba at discount rates. His defense minister asking the permanent US military mission in Venezuela to vacate its offices in the military headquarters in Caracas, saying its presence was an anachronism from the cold war. Not cooperating to Washington's satisfaction with the US war against the Colombian guerrillas. Denying Venezuelan airspace to US counter-drug flights. Refusing to provide US intelligence agencies with information on Venezuela's large Arab community. Questioning the sanctity of globalization. Promoting a regional free-trade bloc and united Latin American petroleum operations as a way to break free from US economic dominance. Visiting Sadaam Hussein in Iraq and Moammar Gaddafy in Libya. And more in the same vein which the Washington aristocracy is unaccustomed to encountering from the servant class. The United States has endeavored to topple numerous governments for a whole lot less. The Washington Post reported from Venezuela on April 13: "Members of the country's diverse opposition had been visiting the U.S. Embassy here in recent weeks, hoping to enlist U.S. help in toppling Chavez. The visitors included active and retired members of the military, media leaders and opposition politicians. "The opposition has been coming in with an assortment of 'what ifs'," said a U.S. official familiar with the effort. "What if this happened? What if that happened? What if you held it up and looked at it sideways? To every scenario we say no. We know what a coup looks like, and we won't support it." Right. They won't support a coup. So what happens when a coup occurs which they want to support? Simple. They don't call it a coup. They call it a "change of government" and say that Chavez was ousted "as a result of the message of the Venezuelan people." Veritable grass-roots democracy it was. Opposition legislators were also brought to Washington in recent months, including at least one delegation sponsored by the International Republican Institute, an integral part of the National Endowment for Democracy, long used by the CIA for covert operations abroad. Overthrowing a man such as Hugo Chavez, guilty of such transgressions, was a duty so "natural" for the CIA that the only reason it might not have been intimately involved in the operation would be that the Agency had been secretly disbanded. http://www.counterpunch.org/blum0414.html Support Hugo Chavez!!!

22-08-2009, 01:05 AM	#4
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	Hugo Chavez is against the NWO . __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect .

22-08-2009, 01:18 AM	#5
lightgiver Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,691	Puppet Hugo Chavez is a NWO puppet. and a well paid one at that. and here is his mate,who he pretends to argue with, They all pee in the same pot. Last edited by lightgiver; 22-08-2009 at 01:21 AM.

22-08-2009, 01:29 AM	#6
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	His political opposition against USA is a fact, but I hardly consider that Chavez, as President of a deep catholic populace, couldn't homage the Pope ashe did . He just can't go against everyone . He does a lot even though . __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect .

22-08-2009, 01:38 AM	#8
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	Don't know, but the option of an army of Chavez versus an Army the Pharaoh Obama is unimmaginable for sure... populistic outings by Hugo Chavez . __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect .

06-04-2007, 02:52 AM	#2
december Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Isle of Rugen Posts: 2,017	Hugo Chavez kicks out american businesses... Venezuela buys out Verizon Thomas Catan Venezuela took another step towards nationalising key sectors of its economy yesterday, announcing a deal to pay $572 million (£290 million) to Verizon, the US mobile operator, for its 28.5 per cent stake in Cantv, Venezuela’s largest telecoms firm. New York-based Verizon said that the deal had been satisfactory for both sides, but analysts speculated that the company was merely relieved to be quitting the country without incurring a huge loss. The price of $17.85 per American Depositary Receipt was well below the $21 many analysts thought reasonable. Mexico’s Telmex had been poised to buy Verizon’s stake in Cantv for an estimated $676 million last year, but the agreement was made void after President Chávez announced the state takeover of the company. Mr Chávez has accused Cantv of being in league with Venezuelan "coup plotters" and spying on him at the behest of the US Government. He also says the company was "given away" during its privatisation in the early 1990s. However, unlike Cuba in 1959, Venezuela has compensated foreign companies for their assets, even if not at the full market value. And some analysts said that Verizon’s deal could turn out to be better than it seemed at face value. Given the speed of the deal, Mr Richard said it "had to be pretty good for Verizon, otherwise it could have dragged its feet a little more". He added: "Verizon obtained sufficient benefits during its operation of the company. Nobody is coming out of this losing." READ MORE - http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1381411.ece

13-04-2007, 07:59 PM	#3
december Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Isle of Rugen Posts: 2,017	Chavez praises military deal with Russia hours before key vote The leftist South American leader is certain of his reelection on Sunday. He will push a new constitutional reform to introduce the unlimited reelection of the President and mechanisms to illegalize opposition parties. As the Venezuelan presidential campaign concludes amid crossed accusations of fraud and instigation to violence, President Hugo Chavez, who seeks his reelection on Sunday, made a strong defense of the military agreements signed with Russia and vowed to increase the cooperation between Caracas and Moscow in this field. Opposition leaders, the United States and some Latin American administrations had expressed their concerns over the acquisition by Venezuela of Russian made assault rifles, helicopters and battle aircrafts. “Each country has the right to buy the weapons it considers necessary to modernize its armed forces”, said Chavez on Thursday during a three-hour news conference with the foreign in media in Caracas , Pravda.Ru among them. “We bought Russian helicopters because they are much more efficient than the US ones. We want to further advance in the cooperation with Moscow because they also provide with technology to produce weaponry in our country”, he added. As part of the agreement, Chavez commented that he is planning to settle a factory to produce AK-47 rifles in Venezuela to sell them abroad at the cheapest price. “Bush should quit” Hugo Chavez in Russia President of Venezuela Hugo Chavez at the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant, which makes Kalashnikov assault rifles. Russia delivered over 30,000 AK-103 automatic rifles to Venezuelain late June under a contract for the supply of 100,000 automatic rifles. Earlier in the month, the two countries signed $1 billion contracts for supplying military planes and helicopters to Venezuela.

22-08-2009, 01:43 AM	#10
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	Hey, I posted a Masonic Occupied Governments List... Do you think that 99% of World Governments are prone to a NWO Agenda ?? __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect . Last edited by nihil; 22-08-2009 at 01:44 AM.

22-08-2009, 02:33 AM	#12
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	There's just one thing that makes me angry when I see Chavez: I look at him and I see a Atzec/Mayan face... but those People in Central-South America have been forced to the Catholic Religion with bribes and mass killing . This is Sad . They have lost their Origin IMHO . . Chavez is from the Portuguese: it means "keys" . . __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect . Last edited by nihil; 22-08-2009 at 02:39 AM.

22-08-2009, 02:51 AM	#13
dawnismygoddess Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 761	Why would I lend support to a Commie Stooge? Are you kidding me?

22-08-2009, 02:55 AM	#15
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	Communism is just a Social Experiment . Gone too far than expected IMHO __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect . Last edited by nihil; 22-08-2009 at 07:29 AM.

22-08-2009, 06:27 AM	#16
dawnismygoddess Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 761	LOL! Now it all makes sense, I see that the OP has been banned.

22-08-2009, 07:28 AM	#17
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	ban's good ?? __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect . Last edited by nihil; 22-08-2009 at 07:02 PM.

22-08-2009, 10:36 AM	#19
nihil Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: @ Tavistock Noetics Posts: 1,035	At least he's NOT totally prone to the NWO . Better than nothing . __________________ Peace, Love, Unity and Respect .