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Old 17-08-2013, 12:29 AM   #81
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do you ever have common sense?
Seems increasingly uncommon these days.
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Old 17-08-2013, 12:37 AM   #82
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Seems increasingly uncommon these days.
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Old 17-08-2013, 10:47 AM   #83
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Sifting through Prime Sinister Cameron's most recent bout of terminal liarrhea -
hollow lumps of "estimates" "determination" and "regulatory protection" found

British Prime Minister Calls on Communities to Support Fracking
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By Joao Peixe

British Prime Minister David Cameron has written an article in the Daily Telegraph in which he has called for all UK communities to show support for the fracking industry, and welcome the coming shale gas boom, stating that such a boom will lower energy bills and create jobs.

Despite the stiff competition that he has faced from small communities close to proposed fracking sites, and environmental campaigners, Cameron vowed to win the debate. Warning that “if we don’t back this technology, we will miss a massive opportunity to help families with their bills and make our country more competitive. Without it, we could lose ground in the tough global race.”

Cameron remains bullish in his support of a fracking boom in the UK, adamant that it will help reduce energy costs, and therefore customer bills, despite constant warnings from industry analysts that the UK will never benefit from a shale boom in the say way as the US.

Cameron wrote that “it’s simple – gas and electric bills can go down when our home-grown energy supply goes up. We’re not turning our back on low-carbon energy, but these sources aren’t enough. We need a mix. Latest estimates suggest that there’s about 1,300 trillion cubic feet of shale gas lying underneath Britain at the moment – and that study only covers 11 counties. To put that in context, even if we extract just a tenth of that figure, that is still the equivalent of 51 years’ gas supply.”

Cameron also wanted to reiterate his determination to ensure that any communities local to fracking sites will receive £100,000, and then a further amount every month, proportionate to the revenues generated by the local wells; and that he has put in place a rigorous set of environmental regulations that will protect the environment from any possible pollution.

“The regulatory system in this country is one of the most stringent in the world. If any shale gas well were to pose a risk of pollution, then we have all the powers we need to close it down,” he said.

Cameron created an angry stir amongst Environmentalists last week when he stated that he would pursue a UK fracking boom, whilst at the same time slowing down the development of onshore wind farms.

Leila Deen, a campaigner with Greenpeace said that “the Prime Minister’s claim that UK shale gas will reduce energy prices doesn’t stack. Experts from Ofgem to Deutsche Bank to drilling company Cuadrilla itself agree UK shale will not bring down bills, because, unlike the US, the UK is part of a huge European gas market.”

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http://wtfrly.com/2013/08/16/british...port-fracking/
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Old 17-08-2013, 11:02 AM   #84
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Sifting through Prime Sinister Cameron's most recent bout of terminal liarrhea...
British Prime Minister Calls on Communities to Support Fracking
Some people attribute the economic boom of the Thatcher era to fossil fuels from the North Sea. This involved the inhumane beating down of the Miners who had previous contributed so much to Britain's prosperity. I'm guessing Scameron thinks he can emulate his idol (maybe even top her). This time its the environmentally concerned and middle class.

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Old 17-08-2013, 11:03 AM   #85
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The lack of interviews on the MSM with anyone actually involved in protesting at Balcombe is very telling. Perhaps they are deliberately avoiding them so as not to be accused of inciting civil unrest? Alternatively perhaps Activists are now avoiding the MSM through previous bad experience? The few reports that are broadcast seem to skirt the issues. Recently its been the RSPCA raising concerns about impact on nearby wildlife and the CoE formally registering its claim to mineral rights. I'm not saying these things aren't of interest, it just seems they are missing the (herd of) elephants in the room (things like public health, corporate power, community representation, devaluation of property, environmental responsibility).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qy2zpd79o4

The BBC only seem to of shown any interest at all following the announcement from Cuadrilla that the site was "unlikely" to be productive. This seems like a thinly veiled attempt to stem rising public concern. They now seem to be justifying a security lock-down of the site on the grounds of safety for their staff and those threatening to take "direct action". If the site is "unlikely" to be productive, then why so secure?

http://www.nodashforgas.org.uk/

What is this Dash for Gas all about? I mean what's the big rush? The fuels trapped in these geological formations ain't going anywhere unless we actively release them. Is it because the economics that make it profitable for the few only exist at the present time? Does the term Greenwashing apply to this technology? Is there a circular dependency on the production/availability of cheap fossil fuel? If it were truly about Energy Security would we not save these resources as the fall-back option?

For those unable to get down to Balcombe, it looks like there might be some kind of live stream here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKbJHjJUpxI
(Apologies this doesn't seem to of come to anything)

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Old 17-08-2013, 12:03 PM   #86
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To me the idea of them dumping toxic & nuclear waste in the fracking spaces made under the ground is probably what's really going on.
Been thinking about this some more

The resistance to nuclear waste dumping does seem to have a direct correlation with the push for fracking -

And if the sinister nuclear dump site theory sounds a little insane, remember that vast amounts of nuclear waste were discharged from Sellafield into the Irish Sea in “a deliberate scientific experiment”, to see what happened.

In January 2013 Cumbria refused an underground nuclear dump, and previously the National Union of Seafarers refused to carry out the illegal dumping of nuclear waste at sea - "so an important route for the disposal of nuclear waste was denied to the industry"

The goverment looked at granite as a suitable dumping environment, then switched to a clay environment option - [London type clay is particularly promising]
http://www.no2nuclearpower.org.uk/ra...ls-in-britain/

Balcombe is above a clay environment-


'Strangely' -
Cuadrilla plans to drill at 2667 feet in Balcombe
[In their submission to parliament last year, Cuadrilla claimed fracking takes place at 5000 feet below the surface (see 6.3.11). No mention was made of Balcombe, which is scheduled to be be fracked at nearly half that depth.]
http://gasdrillinginbalcombe.wordpress.com/news/
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Old 17-08-2013, 12:44 PM   #87
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Cuadrilla plans to drill at 2667 feet in Balcombe
The first video linked from post #52 suggests they are drilling for "oil in limestone" there have also been reports of HCl acid which would seem consistent. Perhaps this explains the depth differences?

We are told that the chemicals added to the water used to drive out the fuels being mined are a proprietary secret. We are also told the waste water that comes back out may be radioactive (as a result of the geology it encounters). This is why they need a permit for handling such materials. How much transparency on what goes in and what comes out will there be I wonder?

An MP who recently called for public consent to fracking has declared interests in companies making money from industrial waste streams.
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Old 17-08-2013, 02:53 PM   #88
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The layer within the Kimmeridge Clay that Cuadrilla is targeting for tight (shale) oil in Sussex is very similar to the Bakken Shale in North Dakota where up to 4 wells per square mile are being drilling. A typical Bakken well will have a 9,500 ft long horizontal section that will be fracked in up to 40 places along its length. The environmental, safety and social consequences of those developments have been dire.

Like most of these new startup companies targeting unconventional fossil fuels Cuadrilla will almost certainly never produce commercial quantities of unconventional gas or oil. That has never been their intention. They are an exploration company and their business plan is to prove that extraction is viable and then sell out to a much larger company (think Exxon, Shell etc.) which have the resources to undertake such a drilling program.

Given this Cuadrilla are free to promise whatever they like about future developments, safe in the knowledge that they would have taken their money and run by the time that production wells are being drilled...
http://frack-off.org.uk/the-real-sig...e-of-balcombe/

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“The word in the world of independents is that the shale plays are just giant Ponzi schemes and the economics just do not work,” an analyst from IHS Drilling Data, an energy research company, wrote in an e-mail on Aug. 28, 2009.

Company data for more than 10,000 wells in three major shale gas formations raise further questions about the industry’s prospects. There is undoubtedly a vast amount of gas in the formations. The question remains how affordably it can be extracted.

The data show that while there are some very active wells, they are often surrounded by vast zones of less-productive wells that in some cases cost more to drill and operate than the gas they produce is worth. Also, the amount of gas produced by many of the successful wells is falling much faster than initially predicted by energy companies, making it more difficult for them to turn a profit over the long run.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/us...&_r=0&src=tptw

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Old 17-08-2013, 02:59 PM   #89
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Why would the world give a fuck about fracking when they cant even put litter in a fucking bin
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Old 17-08-2013, 03:17 PM   #90
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Why would the world give a fuck about fracking when they cant even put litter in a fucking bin
Yes most won't, but its interesting that at least some of the middle class have cottoned on to the possibility that their retirement plans might be in serious jeopardy.

A while back I saw a young boy telling off a group of even younger children for littering. Not only did they immediately start picking it up, but their embarrassed Mum got down on her hands and knees too. Made my day.
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In 2011, shale mergers and acquisitions (M&A) accounted for $46.5B in deals and became one of the largest profit centers for some Wall Street investment banks. This anomaly bears scrutiny since shale wells were considerably underperforming in dollar terms during this time. Analysts and investment bankers, nevertheless, emerged as some of the most vocal proponents of shale exploitation. By ensuring that production continued at a frenzied pace, in spite of poor well performance (in dollar terms), a glut in the market for natural gas resulted and prices were driven to new lows. In 2011, U.S. demand for natural gas was exceeded by supply by a factor of four.

It is highly unlikely that market-savvy bankers did not recognize that by overproducing natural gas a glut would occur with a concomitant severe price decline. This price decline, however, opened the door for significant transactional deals worth billions of dollars and thereby secured further large fees for the investment banks involved. In fact, shales became one of the largest profit centers within these banks in their energy M&A portfolios since 2010. The recent natural gas market glut was largely effected through overproduction of natural gas in order to meet financial analyst’s production targets and to provide cash flow to support operators’ imprudent leverage positions.
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Old 17-08-2013, 04:03 PM   #92
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Yes most won't, but its interesting that at least some of the middle class have cottoned on to the possibility that their retirement plans might be in serious jeopardy.

A while back I saw a young boy telling off a group of even younger children for littering. Not only did they immediately start picking it up, but their embarrassed Mum got down on her hands and knees too. Made my day.
Funny enough i see alot more kids and adults now lifting litter than i did 5>10 years ago but now more people means more litter so its still a losing battle.

That's a good one about the kid telling the younger kids and then the mother aswell If only alot more would do the same

Anyhow, id better go back on subject before i get called a shill Litter thread for another day
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Old 17-08-2013, 06:33 PM   #93
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It's simply a more politically correct word used for ''fucking up'' the earth.

Are you fracking pissed about it ?
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It's the shale of the century and Britain doesn't want to go shopping

That's a first
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Maybe they WANT everyone to believe that fracking is going on on a very large scale, when really it isnt, so that when the HAARP induced earthquakes occur, then the misdirection is already in place ?
Fracking seems to have suddenly come out of no-where ON A GLOBAL scale, and is receiving massive publicity via the mainstream media and their celebs :-
http://artistsagainstfracking.com/artists/
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Old 17-08-2013, 10:36 PM   #96
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Don't know if this has already been posted sorry if it has Ian Crane on UK Column

http://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-col...st-august-2013


Ian Crane starts at around 33.30
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Old 18-08-2013, 12:40 AM   #97
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Fracking seems to have suddenly come out of no-where ON A GLOBAL scale, and is receiving massive publicity via the mainstream media and their celebs
It does seem to of come upon us all of a sudden, but I think a lot of that is because the authorities didn't bother to do adequate public consultation. Vanessa Vine said the planning permit got 900 letters of objection, but was granted citing lack of public interest. She says local representatives have gone down every legal avenue they can, but have generally been ignored.

I would suggest there's been a distinct lack of coverage in the MSM, notably from the BBC. Given how many people are protesting, the number of arrests, the police resources, the politics, the underlying issues, the public interest and the strength of feeling. Seems like they've been told to brush over it and not engage meaningfully in the debate. See post #85.

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Latest update from Ian Crane, "The Mainstream Media is irrelevant".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDJZ48WfEms

Not sure how reliable this guy is, but he's worried about Radon gas being bought to the surface. He also claims that the shale formations back onto Uranium which also has radioactive implications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpNp8Osdnc0
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Hah, this old tart still doing the rounds...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW8A6gcZ75w
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Did I hear right on the news last night that the company has decided to stop at Balcombe cos of the protesters and it has now cost £1m for having police there?
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