What does "Amen" really mean?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Hi all,

I've just been watching the VERY fascinating documentary called "Ring Of Power" on google videos- long but well worth it.

In the video, Amen is mentioned as being the name of an Egyptian God and meaning "hidden". I first became suspicious about the use of the word "Amen" after watching another amazing documentary, "Land Of Osiris" with Stephen Mehler......

Anyway, I know David Icke mentioned he is going to be looking into further detail, who exactly is pulling the strings from behind the scenes, in other dimensions, after spending years of intensive research exposing who is manipulating secretively, this game of "monopoly", in this one.

Could "Amen" be the name of one of the "evil-doers" from behind this dimension?

I have a few of my own theories, and these are that devils and demons are in fact our own thought-forms.

But still, I don't know for sure.

"True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing". - Socrates.

[bigus_dickus]

"amen" (αμήν) is Greek and it means "true".

it comes from homer's e-men (ημέν), meaning "true, for sure".

we still say ame (αμέ) in everyday Greek language, to confirm something.

- you wanna go out?
- amέ (sure)

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=amen

hth

[lookfar]

From reading Matt Delooze's stuff, he thinks it refers to Amen Ra (the sun god).

[revelations]

When I was in school the taught that the word "Amen" means ...these word's are true.

Personaly I think it is something to do with the sun God.

Just like other every day words such as Summer Time - Sumer

And the season Autumn - Atum - A primordial god that was represented in the form of a human and a serpent. He was the supreme god in the Heliopolitan Ennead (group of nine gods) and formed with Re to create Re-Atum.

[lookfar]

& whatever the real meaning is, I personally do not say it anymore (just in case!), lol

[lostinstrangeworld]

According to Stephen Mehler, Amen is the name of one of the 5 stages of the Sun, in ancient Khem (Egypt):

Kheper- "The Driller"- The Dawn

Ra- "The Stubborn"- Noon

Oon- "The Wise"- Afternoon

Aten- "The Wiser"- Twilight

Amen- "The Hidden"- Night


Fascinating lecture with Stephen Mehler here.....please not be put off by the slightly boring introduction.....Mehler himself is fascinating:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer...01846186&hl=en

[wred]

Ammon or Ammonites also referred to in the Bible as the "children of Ammon.
The Ammonites were regarded by Hebrews as close relatives of the Israelites
The Torah excludes the progeny of Ammonites from the assembly of the Lord.

Both the Ammonites and Moabites are sometimes spoken of under the common name of the children of Lot.

Jewish warriors took Ammonite women as wives, and King Davids descent from Ruth, the Moabite.

Moloch, Molech, Molekh, or Molek, The Jewish god of child sacrifice worshiped by the Ammonites. Also sometimes called ba'al, which means king or king of the gods.

Sometimes associated with the Sumerian Baal, although Moloch (or Molekh) was entirely malevolent. In the 8th-6th century BCE, firstborn children were sacrificed to him by the Israelites in the valley of Hinnom, south-east of Jerusalem (see also Gehenna). These sacrifices to the sun god were made to renew the strength of the sun fire.

King Solomon built a high place for Molech in the mountain "that is before Jerusalem."

Moloch was represented as a huge bronze statue with the head of a bull. The statue was hollow, and inside there burned a fire which colored the Moloch a glowing red. Children were placed on the hands of the statue. Through an ingenious system the hands were raised to the mouth (as if Moloch were eating) and the children fell into the fire where they were consumed by the flames. The people gathered before the Moloch were dancing on the sounds of flutes and tambourines to drown out the screams of the victims.

Moloch went by many names including, but not limited to, Ba'al, Moloch, Apis Bull, Golden Calf, Chemosh, as well as many other names. Where the Jews would take their children and burn them alive in sacrifice to this idol god.

The motive for these sacrifices is not far to seek. It is given in Micah vi. 7: "Shall I give my first-born for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?" In the midst of the disasters which were befalling the nation men felt that if the favor of Yhwh could be regained it was worth any price they could pay. Their Semitic kindred worshiped their gods with offerings of their children, and in their desperation the Israelites did the same. For some reason, perhaps because not all the priestly and prophetic circles approved of the movement, they made the offerings, not in the Temple, but at an altar or pyre called "Tapheth" (LXX.), erected in the valley of Hinnom (comp. W. R. Smith, "Rel. of Sem." 2d ed., p. 372). "Tapheth," also, was later pointed "Topheth," after the analogy of "bosheth." In connection with these extraordinary offerings the worshipers continued the regular Temple sacrifices to Yhwh (Ezek. xxiii. 39).

In II Kings xxiii. 10 it is stated that one of the practices to which Josiah put a stop by his reform.

Later this practice was changed into sacrificing their children by giving them to this cult of Jewish devil worshipers, to act as a army to do all the nasty little things that would insure the survival of the Jewish race, leaving the rest to go about their business.

Commonly today, a militant Zionist Jewish Mafia bent on genocide against all other human life on the planet, using crime as a means of funding their campaigns against humanity.

A much more subtle for of war is waged against others by reforming other peoples into chains of morality, making them incapable or unwilling to fight back against these aggressors, who slowly exterminate their enemies, namely everyone, threw social, political, economic and government manipulation as a form of social warfare.

Amen or Omen is spoken in church as a phonetic reference to this group as a unknown tribute signifying Christianities defeat and ownership as slaves to this cult.

"The Bohemian Club was established in 1872 in San Francisco as an exclusive club of political and intellectual figures who wished to spend a certain amount of time each year relaxing and interacting in a non-business environment.

The land is occupied by approximately 1500 men -- most of them political and business dignitaries -- for two weeks around Midsummer.
an elaborate ritual called the Cremation of Care is held just after dinner. It begins with the procession of a group of men, dressed in red pointed hoods and red robes.

The Great Owl of the Bohemian Grove is typically identified as Moloch, the chief god of the Ammonites who lived in Ammon, an eastern section of Canaan.

Bohemian grove is commonly attended by people from Big Business, Banking, Politics, Universities, Media, Defense Contractors, Politics, Oil Companies, the Military, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and notable figures from countries outside the US.

In the Watergate tapes President Nixon is heard talking about his visit to this retreat in disgust as a gay mens club.

Past and frequent guests include but not limited to;
Henry Kissinger,
George Shultz,
S. D. Bechtel, Jr.,
Thomas Watson Jr. (IBM),
Phillip Hawley (B of A),
William Casey (CIA).
Ralph Bailey (Dupont),
George Bush
George Bush jr
House Speaker Newt Gingrich
former Secretary of Treasury, William Simon
A. W. Clausen (World Bank),
Walter Cronkite,
William F. Buckley
former chairs of Procter & Gamble and Bank of America
Franklin Murphy, the former CEO of the Times Mirror corporation
William Randolph Hearst, Jr.
Jack Howard and Charles Scripps of the Scripps-Howard newspaper chain
Tom Johnson, president of CNN and former publisher of the Los Angeles Times.
James Baker
David Rockefeller
Bill Clinton,
Pete Wilson, the Republican Governor of California
cabinet members from the Kennedy, Johnson, and Carter administrations,
Ronald Reagan
Michael P. W. Stone, Secretary of the Army
Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense
Men from life insurance companies
Brent M. Abel, President California Bar Association
Gustaf Adolf, Crown Prince of Sweden

and on and on and on, just about anybody and everybody who is rich and powerful with an alleged Jewish nut in their family tree.

Dirk Mathison, San Francisco bureau chief for People magazine, infiltrated the grounds three times July 1991, aided by activists from the Bohemian Grove Action Network.

He witnessed a speech -- "Smart Weapons" -- by former Navy Secretary John Lehman, who stated that the Pentagon estimates that 200,000 Iraqis were killed by the U.S. and its allies during the Gulf War. Other featured speakers included Defense Secretary Richard Cheney on "Major Defense Problems of the 21st Century", former Health, Education and Welfare Secretary Joseph Califano on "America's Health Revolution -- Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Pays", and former Attorney General Elliott Richardson on "Defining the New World Order".





http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesam...ian_grove.html

[marpat]

I thought the root went back to old gods and spirits. Amen, Ammon, Amon, Amun, etc

I would have thought that the idea of using it as a final word is to seal the prayer with a divine name. Amen, being the creator god seal the prayer.

[amethyst]

Originally Posted by bigus_dickus

"amen" (αμήν) is Greek and it means "true".

it comes from homer's e-men (ημέν), meaning "true, for sure".

we still say ame (αμέ) in everyday Greek language, to confirm something.

- you wanna go out?
- amέ (sure)

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=amen

hth

Yeah, in the hebrew it means "truely" "so be it"

I think it was an adopted word by the hebrews to to say "this the end of of the prayer, so we all say "amen", let it be done" (to end the prayer)

Even if it originally was an amonite word or some kind of other "ite' word, I don't think it is necessarily a negative thing.....just that it got put into the hebrew vernacular over time.......like what we do with certain words today.

[drael]

My understanding is its egyptian. Used in lots of contexts, but not sure of meaning (night may be right). Amen-ti are the halls of the dead. Amen Ra is a gods title. Ive heard of amenti being used similarly at the end of things.

If it does mean "night", it may be being used at the end of prayers like "it is done", or "the end".

[marpat]

Originally Posted by drael

My understanding is its egyptian. Used in lots of contexts, but not sure of meaning (night may be right). Amen-ti are the halls of the dead. Amen Ra is a gods title. Ive heard of amenti being used similarly at the end of things.

If it does mean "night", it may be being used at the end of prayers like "it is done", or "the end".

There is a very strong Egyptian connection. Amen/ Amun is the 'Hidden One' the creator who remains hidden from the world. The world is created by his force but he remains apart from it, a bit like the Judean/ Christian ideas of God.

Amenti, Amentet is the Egyptian underworld, a region which is entered from the west. Once the soul has passed through this region they rise in the east in the Likeness of Ra or Horus.

[jojo]

Amen-Ra, The sun god. Jesus is the latest in a long line of Sun god isnt he? the Sun of God. I think its a dedication to Amen Ra. The Sun

[marpat]

Originally Posted by jojo

Amen-Ra, The sun god. Jesus is the latest in a long line of Sun god isnt he? the Sun of God. I think its a dedication to Amen Ra. The Sun

Yes and no. Amun/ Amen is the 'Hidden One'. The sun is hardly hidden

[element]

There isn't a connection between Egypt and Jesus. The sun shines for all, it doesn't discriminate, it gives life. Now think of Jesus, Buddha, and why they been depicted with suns. Also, AmenRa is a combo made by Toetanchamon, who used both as one true creative god.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by element

There isn't a connection between Egypt and Jesus. The sun shines for all, it doesn't discriminate, it gives life. Now think of Jesus, Buddha, and why they been depicted with suns. Also, AmenRa is a combo made by Toetanchamon, who used both as one true creative god.

Who or what is Toetanchamon?

[marpat]

Originally Posted by element

There isn't a connection between Egypt and Jesus. The sun shines for all, it doesn't discriminate, it gives life. Now think of Jesus, Buddha, and why they been depicted with suns. Also, AmenRa is a combo made by Toetanchamon, who used both as one true creative god.

I think you can make a very loose connection between Jesus and Osiris, the latter being killed an resurrected then going to be judge of the dead.

[kweli]

Originally Posted by lookfar

From reading Matt Delooze's stuff, he thinks it refers to Amen Ra (the sun god).

That's my belief (at the moment) too.

Pagans
From old Egyptian texts we can see that people regarded the Sun as the emblem of the Creator. They called the Sun Ra, and all other gods and goddesses were forms of the Creator. One of these gods was Amen; a secret, hidden and mysterious god named variously Amen, Amon, Amun, Ammon and Amounra. For the first eleven dynasties (c. 3000-1987 B.C.) Amen was just a minor god, but by the 17th dynasty (c. 1500 B.C.) he had been elevated to be the national god of southern Egypt. This position gave Amen the attributes and characteristics of the most ancient gods, and his name became Amen-Ra, that is, a supreme form of God the Creator. By the 18th Dynasty (1539-1295 B.C.) a college had been established to study Amen-Ra and as a focal point for worship.

More: http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/amen.html

[creamfields usa]

ahhh men.

[kanz]

Maybe it means "A man" who knows

[synergy777]

just say thank you rather than amen.