Tubal Cain, the Secret Password of a Mason

[eternal_spirit]

Tubal Cain, the Secret Password of a Mason

One rabbi notes that Satan was an active agent in the fall of man (Midrash Pirke de-Rabbi Eliezer 13, beginning), and was the father of Cain (ibid, 21), while he was also instrumental in the offering of Isaac (Midrash Tanchuma, Wayera, 22 [ed. Stettin, p. 39a]), in the release of the animal destined by Esau for his father (ibid, Toledot, 11), in the theophany at Sinai, in the death of Moses (Deuteronomy Rabbah 13:9), in David's sin with Bath-sheba (Sanhedrin 95a), and in the death of Queen Vashti (Megilla 11a). The decree to destroy all the Jews, which Haman obtained, was written on parchment brought by Satan (Esther Rabba 3:9). When Alexander the Great reproached the Jewish sages with their rebellion, they made the plea that Satan had been too mighty for them (Tamid 32a).



Note the THIRD sale item, number C: Two
Ball and Cane surrounded by Two Ball
and Chain. The Secret Password of a
Master Mason, the THIRD Degree is
Tubal Cain...

Ex. (Pressing his thumb as before): "What is this ?"

Vis.: "The pass-grip of a Master Mason."

Ex.: "Has this a name?"

Vis.: "It has."

Ex.: "Will you give it to me ?"

Vis.: "I did not so receive it, neither will I so impart it."

Ex.: "How will you dispose of it?"

Vis.: "I will syllable it with you."

Ex.: "Syllable it and begin."

Vis.: "No, you begin."

Ex.: "You must begin."

Vis.: "Bal."

Ex.:. "Tu."

Vis.: "Cain."

Ex.: "Tubal."

Vis.: "Tubal-Cain."


Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceedingly wicked, every one successively dying one after the other, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behaviour, in acting unjustly, and doing injury for gain.

Josephus
Antiquities of the Jews, A.D. 93
















Tubal-Cain: Who he was, and what that says about the nature of Freemasonry given it is the secret password of a Master Mason.

Tau Altar 1. Adam and Eve had two sons. The elder of them was named Cain, which name, when it is interpreted, signifies a possession; the younger was Abel, which signifies sorrow. They had also daughters. Now the two brethren were pleased with different courses of life; for Abel, the younger, was a lover of righteousness, and believing that God was present at all his actions, he excelled in virtue, and his employment was that of a shephard. But Cain was not only very wicked in other respects, but was wholly intent upon getting, and he first contrived to plough the ground. He slew his brother on the occasion following: They had resolved to sacrifice to God. Now Cain brought the fruits of the earth, and of his husbandry; but Abel brought milk, and the first-fruits of his flocks; but God was more delighted with the latter oblation when he honoured with what grew naturally of its own accord, than he was with what was the invention of a covetous man, and gotten by forcing the ground; whence it was that Cain was very angry that Abel was preferred by God before him; and he slew his brother, and hid his dead body, thinking to escape discovery. But God, knowing what had been done, came to Cain, and asked him what was become of his brother, because he had not seen him of many days, whereas he used to observe them conversing together at other times. But Cain was in doubt with himself, and knew not what answer to give God. At first he said that he was himself at a loss about his brother's disappearance; but when he was provoked by God, who pressed him vehemently, as resolving to know what the matter was, he replied he was not his brothers guardian or keeper, nor was he an observer of what he did. But in return, God convicted Cain as having been the murderer of his brother; and said, "I wonder at thee, that thou knowest not what is become of a man whom thou thyself has destroyed." God therefore did not inflict the punishment [of death] upon him, on account of his offering sacrifice, and thereby making supplication to Him not to be extreme in his wrath to him; but He made him accursed, and threatened his posterity in the seventh generation. He also cast him, together with his wife, out of that land. And when he was afraid that in wandering about he should fall among wild beasts, and by that means perish, God bid him not to entertain such a melancholy suspicion, and to go over all the earth without fear of what mischief he might suffer from wild beasts; and setting a mark upon him that he might be known, he commanded him to depart.
2. And when Cain had travelled over many countries, he, with his wife, built a city, named Nod, which is a place so called, and there he settled his abode; where also he had children. However, he did not accept of his punishment in order to ammendment, but to increase his wickedness; for he only aimed to procure everything that was for his own bodily pleasure, though it obliged him to be injurious to his neighbours. He augmented his household substance with much wealth, by rapine and violence; he excited his acquaintance to procure pleasures and spoils of robbery, and became a great leader of men into wicked courses. He also introduced a change in that way of simplicity wherein men lived before; and was the author of measures and weights. And whereas they lived innocently and generously while they knew nothing of such arts, he changed the world into cunning craftiness. He first of all set boundaries about lands; he built a city, and fortified it with walls, and he compelled his family to come together to it; and called that city Enoch, after the name of his eldest son Enoch. Now Jared was the son of Enoch; whose son was Malaleel; whose son was Mathusela; whose son was Lamech; who had seventy-seven children by two wives, Silla and Ada. Of those children by Ada, one was Jabal; he erected tents, and loved the life of a shepherd. But Jubal, who was born of the same mother with him, exercised himself in music; and invented the psaltery and the harp. But Tubal, one of his children by the other wife, exceeded all men in strength, and was very expert and famous in martial performances. He procured what tended to the pleasures of the body by that method; and first of all invented the art of making brass. Lamech was also the father of a daughter, whose name was Naamah; and because that he knew he was to be punished for Cains's murder of his brother, he made that known to his wives. Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceedingly wicked, every one successively dying one after the other, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behaviour, in acting unjustly, and doing injury for gain.

- Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, A.D. 93

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Such is the individual Tubal Cain that Freemasonry puts on a pedestal for all Masons to emulate.

[IMG]file:///D:/DOCUME%7E1/David/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mathew, Chapter 23





Perdition


It is evident that in a general way, this doctrine of Freemasonry is not only a heresy, nor even the totality of all heresies, which find in it a haven; it is a fact that Masonry goes beyond the limits of what constitutes what is generally ascribed to the word 'heresy,' for it allows full play to the commission of outrageous perversion. Freemasonry is indeed the abyss of all errors, the well of perdition.

The Holy See.

http://freemasonrywatch.org/tubalcain.html

[eternal_spirit]

(c) God then formed Lilith, the first woman, just as He had formed Adam, except that he used filth and sediment instead of pure dust.
From Adam's union with this demoness, and with another like her named Naamah, Tubal Cain's sister,

sprang Asmodeus and innumerable demons that still plague mankind. Many generations later, Lilith and Naamah came to Solomon's judgement seat, disguised as harlots of Jerusalem. [Yalqut Reubeni ad. Gen. II. 21; IV. 8]

Read more here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=18

[chestnutlodge]

Hows this

http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/T/TUBAL-CAIN/

TUBAL-CAIN

tu'-bal-kan (tubhal qayin): One of the sons of Lamech (Gen 4:22). He is a brother of Jabal and Jubal, who appear to have been the founders of several industries and articles The text (loTesh kol choresh nechosheth u-bharzel) has been the cause of endless dispute. Holzinger and Gunkel hold that laTash was a marginal gloss to charash, and that, as in Gen 4:20 and 21, there stood before kal originally hu hayah 'abhi. This would make Tubal-cain the founder of the metal industry, and place him in a class similar to that of his brothers. The Septuagint, however, has no equivalent of qayin. This omission leads Dillmann, Wellhausen, and others to the position that "Tubal" originally stood alone, and qayin, being a later addition, was translated "smith." Many commentators identify Tubal with the Assyrian Tubal, a people living Southwest of the Black Sea; in later times they were called "Tibareni" (Ezek 27:13). Tubal may be the eponymous ancestor of these people, whose principal industry seems to have been the manufacture of vessels of bronze and iron.
Horace J. Wolf

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Lamech (pronounced /ˈleɪmɛk/) (Hebrew: לֶמֶך-Lemech) is the name of two men in the genealogies of Adam in the book of Genesis. One is the sixth generation descendant of Cain (Genesis 4:18); his father was named Methusael and he was responsible for the "Song of the Sword." He is also noted as the first polygamist mentioned in the Bible, taking two wives, Ada and Tselah. The other Lamech is an eighth generation descendant of Seth (Genesis 5:25). He is the son of Methuselah and was the father of Noah (Genesis 5:29).

Because of the similarities between the two lines, some critical scholarship regards both Lamechs as one and the same individual. Many conservative scholars see no reason to confuse the two. One tradition from Genesis Rabba, relayed by Rashi's comment on Genesis 4:22, indicates that Na'amah, the daughter of Tselah and Lamech, son of Methushael, was the wife of Noah, the son of the other Lamech (son of Methuselah).

Contents [hide]
1 Biblical context
2 The names
2.1 Interpretation
3 The Song of the Sword



[edit] Biblical context
Sandwiched between two genealogical lines, the passage describing Lamech, son of Methushael, descendant of Cain and his children is fairly substantive:

Lamech had two wives: Adah, and Tsilah. Adah gave birth to Yaval, the father of tent-dwellers, and cattle owners. His brother was Yuval, the father of harpists, and pipers. Tsilah, on the other hand, gave birth to Tuval-Cain, who instructed the artificers of brass and iron. Tuval-Cain's sister was Naamah. And Lamech said to Adah and Tsilah, his wives:
Hear my voice: ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech:
For I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy-sevenfold.
Genesis 4:19-24 in paraphrase
Genesis 5:25-31 records that the other Lamech, the son of Methuselah, was 182 years old at the birth of Noah; and that he lived for another 595 years after this, making his age at death 777 years (or just a few years before the Flood). With such numbers in this geneaological account, calculations such as those of Archbishop Ussher would suggest that Adam was still alive for about the first 50 years of Lamech's life.


[edit] The names
There are various suggestions of the correct translations for the names:

Name Hebrew Possible translations
Lamech לָמֶךְ Pauper (via Hebrew), Priest/Servant of God (via Akkadian)
Adah עָדָה Ornament, Dawn
Zillah צִלָּה Shadow
Jabal יָבָל Shepherd
Jubal יוּבָל The ram's horn, Musician, (also) stream
Tubal-Cain תּוּבַל קַיִן Thou wilt be brought of Cain (not translating Cain), Blacksmith (translating Cain)
Naamah נַעֲמָה Beautiful, Pleasure

The older Septuagint, unlike the Masoretic Text, does not present the name Tubal rather than Tubal-Cain.

Translating the names as well, it is possible to read the text of the story of Lamech as:

God's servant took two wives, light and darkness. The light brought forth the shepherd, who was the father of tent-dwellers, and herdsmen, and his brother was the musician, who was the father of harpists and pipers. But the darkness brought forth the blacksmith, the forger of brass, and of iron, and his sister was pleasure.

[edit] Interpretation
When fully translated, the text has a strong resemblance simply to a basic mythology concerning the origin of the various forms of civilisation, the shepherds and musicians being products of the day, and pleasure being a product of the night. Blacksmiths, in carrying out their trade, are also associated with the darkness. Thus, in a sense, Lamech could be interpreted as a culture hero. Some of the names also appear to demonstrate punning - Jabal, Jubal, and Tubal rhyme, and appear to be derived from the same root - JBL (YVL in modern Hebrew): to bring forth, (also) to carry. A similar description existed amongst Phoenicians.

The names are instead interpreted in the Midrash as an attack on polygamy. Adah is there interpreted as the deposed one, implying that Lamech spurned her in favour of Zillah, whose own name is understood to mean she shaded herself [from Zillah at Lamech's side]. The Midrash consequently regards Adah as having been treated as a slave, tyrannised by her husband, who was at the beck and call of his mistress, Zillah. It further goes on to claim that part of the immorality, which had led God to flood the earth, was the polygamy practised by Lamech and his generation.

The rabbinical tradition is just as condemning of Naamah. While a minority, such as Abba ben Kahana, see Naamah as having become Noah's wife, and being so named because her conduct was pleasing to God, the majority of classical rabbinical sources consider her name to be due to her singing pleasant songs in worship of idols.


[edit] The Song of the Sword
The last part of the tale of Lamech (Genesis 4:23-24), takes the form of a brief poem, which refers back to the curse of Cain. In the poem, Lamech's stance resembles that of a supreme warrior, able to avenge himself absolutely. However, no explanation of who Lamech supposedly killed is ever given in the Tanakh. Some scholars have proposed that it is connected to the invention, contextually by Tubal-Cain, of the sword, for which reason the poem is often referred to as the Song of the Sword. The poem may originate from the mysterious Book of the Wars of the Lord, though the greater context for it is likely to remain obscure.

However, this paucity of context did not stop a rabbinical tradition growing up around it. The Talmud and Midrash present an extensive legend, told, for example, by Rashi, in which Lamech first loses his sight from age, and had to be led by Tubal-Cain, the seventh generation from Cain. Tubal-Cain saw in the distance something that he first took for an animal, but it was actually Cain (still alive, due to the extensive life span of the antediluvians) whom Lamech had accidentally killed with an arrow. When they discovered who it was, Lamech, in sorrow, clapped his hands together, which (for an unclear reason) kills Tubal-Cain. In consequence, Lamech's wives desert him. A similar legend is preserved in the pseudepigraphic Second Book of Adam and Eve, Chapter XIII; in this version Tubal-Cain is not named, but is instead referred to as "the young shepherd." After Lamech claps his hands he strikes the young shepherd on the head. To ensure his death, he then smashed his head with a rock.

An alternate form of this negative attitude towards Lamech (such as Targum Pseudo-Jonathan) claims that even though Lamech did not kill anyone, his wives refused to associate with him and denied him sex, on the grounds that Cain's line was to be annihilated after seven generations. The poem is then given by Lamech to allay their fears. Other classical sources, such as Josephus, see the word seventy-seven as the number of sons which Lamech eventually had.

Extending on this classical view of Lamech is the Book of Moses, regarded in Mormonism as scripture. According to this Latter-day Saint text, Lamech entered into a secret pact with Satan, as had Cain before him, becoming a second Master Mahan. When Irad (an ancestor of Lamech) learned his secret and began to publicise it, Lamech murdered him. News of the murder was spread by Lamech's two wives, leading to his being cast out of society.

[intruder]

and I think the reference to male genitalia is a little bit more than overt...

2 balls and a cane.

-just a coincidence dear, nothing to worry about

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by intruder

and I think the reference to male genitalia is a little bit more than overt...

2 balls and a cane.

-just a coincidence dear, nothing to worry about

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Well spotted LOL.

The masons apron represents Adam's fig leaf.

[chestnutlodge]

It may just rhyme with the two words! No more and no less.


The masons apron represents Adam's fig leaf - How??

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by chestnutlodge

It may just rhyme with the two words! No more and no less.


The masons apron represents Adam's fig leaf - How??

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I don't know the reason, was something I heard and cannot remember the meaning, but it seems possible. Will post if I find out.

[chestnutlodge]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

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I don't know the reason, was something I heard and cannot remember the meaning, but it seems possible. Will post if I find out.

Now this I am afraid is where the problem lies. I am not picking on you but just highlighting what has happened. You state in a post that the masons apron represents Adams fig leaf. When asked why, you at least have the courtesy to say that you do not know, and can not remember the meaning.

Now if you had not given that rider an easily influenced person will read the post and to them it is a fact that the apron is like Adams fig leaf. There is nothing to back it up.

Greenleaf - this was a word used originally used in a masonic side order. That was dropped some time ago and replaced.

[thelonious]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

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I don't know the reason, was something I heard and cannot remember the meaning, but it seems possible. Will post if I find out.

The Masonic apron representing a fig leaf is a Mormon interpretation, not the Masonic one.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by thelonious

The Masonic apron representing a fig leaf is a Mormon interpretation, not the Masonic one.

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Okay, but aren't some of the Mormon ceremonies, rituals same as Freemasonry, I think Mormonism is another branch of the Masonic tree.


Joseph Smith admitted to being a Mason in his History of the Church, volume 4, page 551. Under the date of March 15, 1842 it reads: "In the evening I received the first degree in Free Masonry in the Nauvoo Lodge, assembled in my general business office." The record for the next day reads, "I was with the Masonic Lodge and rose to the sublime degree" (page 552).

Mormonism and Masonry
Masonry's influence on Mormonism and Joseph Smith has been noted by a number of historians. Some of the areas impacted by Masonic lore and ritual include the Book of Mormon, Joseph's personal life, and the LDS temple ceremony.
Masonic Themes Related to the Book of Mormon. John L. Brooke in his book The Refiner's Fire: The Making of Mormon Cosmology, 1644-1844, noted the following in reference to the story of the discovery of the gold plates and the narrative structure of the Book of Mormon:

Freemasonry provides a point of entry into this very complex story. As it had been in Vermont, Masonic fraternity was a dominant feature of the cultural landscape in Joseph Smith's Ontario County. . . . The dense network of lodges and chapters helps explain the Masonic symbolism that runs through the story of the discovery of the Golden Plates. Most obviously, the story of their discovery in a stone vault on a hilltop echoed the Enoch myth of Royal Arch Freemasonry, in which the prophet Enoch, instructed by a vision, preserved the Masonic mysteries by carving them on a golden plate that he placed in an arched stone vault marked with pillars, to be rediscovered by Solomon. In the years to come the prophet Enoch would play a central role in Smith's emerging cosmology. Smith's stories of his discoveries got more elaborate with time, and in June 1829 he promised Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and Martin Harris that they would see not only the plates but other marvelous artifacts: the Urim and Thummim attached to a priestly breastplate, the 'sword of Laban,' and 'miraculous directors.' Oliver Cowdery and Lucy Mack Smith later described three or four small pillars holding up the plates. All of these artifacts had Masonic analogues.
. . . Smith's sources for these Masonic symbols were close at hand. Most obviously, Oliver Cowdery would have been a source, given that his father and brother were Royal Arch initiates; one Palmyra resident remembered Oliver Cowdery as 'no church member and a Mason.' . . . A comment by Lucy Mack Smith in her manuscript written in the 1840s, protesting that the family did not abandon all household labor to try 'to win the faculty of Abrac, drawing magic circles, or sooth-saying,' suggests a familiarity with Masonic manuals: the 'faculty of Abrac' was among the supposed Masonic mysteries (Refiner's Fire, Cambridge University Press, 1994, pp. 157-158).



and on it goes read here

http://www.irr.org/mit/masonry.html

[thelonious]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

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Okay, but aren't some of the Mormon ceremonies, rituals same as Freemasonry,

No, but aspects of Masonic ritual were plagiarized in the Mormon Temple ceremony. In the Mormon ritual, Adam and Eve appear wearing fig leaf aprons, while the devil appears wearing a Masonic apron.

[chestnutlodge]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

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Okay, but aren't some of the Mormon ceremonies, rituals same as Freemasonry, I think Mormonism is another branch of the Masonic tree.


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I am not a mormon so can not confirm that. But surely if there is similarities it is because the mormons have been influenced by masonic ceremonies not the other way round.

I can say that it is not a branch of freemasonry.

[thelonious]

Originally Posted by chestnutlodge

I am not a mormon so can not confirm that. But surely if there is similarities it is because the mormons have been influenced by masonic ceremonies not the other way round.

I can say that it is not a branch of freemasonry.

Joseph Smith was a briefly a Mason, as were other high officials in the church. The Worshipful Master of Nauvoo Lodge in Illinois had converted to Mormonism, and irregularly initiated, passed, and raised hundred of Mormons, including Smith, in two days.

The Lodge complained to the Grand Lodge of Illinois, which prompted the Grand Master to expel the Lodge's Worshipful Master, along with Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and all the other Mormons.

Several months later, Smith wrote the Mormon Endowment ceremony, which was partly based on Masonic ritual. By this time, Smith had developed a grudge against Masonry, leading him to state that, "Just as Christianity is the apostate religion, so is Freemasonry the apostate Endowment".

Smith then pretended that his new Endowment ritual was thousands of years old, and that it was practiced in Solomon's Temple. He also pretended that it became corrupted and turned into Freemasonry, whereas he himself restored the "true" ritual (just like he claimed to have restored the "true" religion after it had been corrupted into Christianity).

[darketernal]

Originally Posted by chestnutlodge

It may just rhyme with the two words! No more and no less.


The masons apron represents Adam's fig leaf - How??

Yes and that is why some Mason's where tie-clips with a cane and two balls on it, which clearly looks like male genitals. "Oh well.... they were just making a joke"

Chestnutlodge, there are no coincidences.

[chestnutlodge]

Originally Posted by darketernal

Yes and that is why some Mason's where tie-clips with a cane and two balls on it, which clearly looks like male genitals. "Oh well.... they were just making a joke"

Chestnutlodge, there are no coincidences.

Yes I know the lapel pin, I have one. If you know of anyone with genitals that look like that, a cane with a ball on each side, then they should see a doctor.

[mike martin]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

The masons apron represents Adam's fig leaf.

Actually it's funny that you say that, it doesn't but it could, according to the Bible (rather than latter silliness) Adam and Eve did actually make themselves aprons of fig leaves.

Genesis 3:7 (KJV) 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

This particular phrase from the Bible was picked up by some of our 18th century brethren when they were trying to write Freemasonry further back into history, hence you do come across books that start their history of Freemasonry with Adam and Eve.

It is a similar situation with the "egyptian" thing, some of the statuary at the temples of Karnak and Luxor show great beings wearing things that do look like aprons.

Mike

[mike martin]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

Okay, but aren't some of the Mormon ceremonies, rituals same as Freemasonry, I think Mormonism is another branch of the Masonic tree.

I've read that too but I think it's in the same boat as Wicca being linked to Freemasonry. Wicca's founder Gerald Gardner was an ex-Freemason who wrote his ceremonies/rituals borrowing liberally from the Masonic ones.

It doesn't make it Masonic it's what we call quasi-Masonic in that it imitates Freemasonry.

Mike

[darketernal]

Originally Posted by chestnutlodge

Yes I know the lapel pin, I have one. If you know of anyone with genitals that look like that, a cane with a ball on each side, then they should see a doctor.

None-the-less it is an obvious phallic symbol, and is not by accident. Are you certain you would not like to retract your previous statement?

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by mike martin

I've read that too but I think it's in the same boat as Wicca being linked to Freemasonry. Wicca's founder Gerald Gardner was an ex-Freemason who wrote his ceremonies/rituals borrowing liberally from the Masonic ones.

It doesn't make it Masonic it's what we call quasi-Masonic in that it imitates Freemasonry.




Mike

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Okay, yes I also discovered this about the Wicca movement...adds some proof to the "Culture Creators", theories, this link will expand on this.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=32

Quote: mike Martin

This particular phrase from the Bible was picked up by some of our 18th century brethren when they were trying to write Freemasonry further back into history, hence you do come across books that start their history of Freemasonry with Adam and Eve.
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If Adam was made in the image of God, then maybe the fig leaf apron theory, may have been adopted to represent, the attempt via Masonry to eventually become the perfect man.

[chestnutlodge]

Originally Posted by darketernal

None-the-less it is an obvious phallic symbol, and is not by accident. Are you certain you would not like to retract your previous statement?

I would not say that it was an obvious phalic symbol at all, so no.