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Old 13-12-2012, 06:47 PM   #241
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Your dismiss evidence out of hand thinking that is your proof.
Nope. I dismissed correctly, jpeg artifacts from a low resolution scan.

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I am English and my own eyes tell me there are no artifacts on the high resolution scan.
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Old 13-12-2012, 06:54 PM   #242
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Nope. I dismissed correctly, jpeg artifacts from a low resolution scan.



I am English and my own eyes tell me there are no artifacts on the high resolution scan.
You posted this Raw scan earlier.
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images...11-44-6642.JPG

1,27 MB for a 20 megabit picture full of artifacts.
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Old 13-12-2012, 06:54 PM   #243
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High resolution - 4400x4600 pixels and 1.85mb
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images...-134-20382.jpg

Low resolution - 492x515 pixels and 205kb
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images...-134-20382.jpg

Do you really think that compressing the high resolution file down by nearly 90% isn't going to affect the way that it appears on screen?
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Old 13-12-2012, 06:54 PM   #244
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[QUOTE=truegroup;1061193547]This vague debate is going nowhere until one of you shows a raw scan with a problem.
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Let's just remind ourselves of your above quote.

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Old 13-12-2012, 06:59 PM   #245
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That is correct.

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1,27 MB for a 20 megabit picture full of artifacts.
Nope. Nothing untoward about that picture at all.
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Old 13-12-2012, 07:11 PM   #246
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Let's just remind ourselves of your above quote.

This vague debate is going nowhere until one of you shows a high resolution raw scan with a problem. It is not my problem if you do not understand compression artifacts with jpeg.

As a point scoring exercise, you won. I should always try to be specific, forgive me for assuming you know what happens when you compress an image.

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Old 13-12-2012, 08:12 PM   #247
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Why does history matter, I think it’s the very first time I have ever heard that question .
It is a question which should never need to be asked.
History matters very much, it’s mankind’s record of what we have achieved, and where we have gone
wrong, It’s away of reflecting on times past. Since Herodtus, who probably didn’t get it all right, to modern historians, who have got it mostly right, have successively added to this pool of knowledge.
Throughout history some historians have chosen to embellish their own histories, fancifully but without malice, or the will to deceive. It was not until the early 1920’s that we see a government sponsored re writing of of history, in this case the founding of the Soviet Union, later The Chinese peoples republic, in the 1960’s, Cuba. Recently with the advent of the internet we see the ever increasing number of websites supporting pseudo science, pseudo archeology, Pseudo geology, pseudo biology, pseudo history, and creationism, to name but a few. Why one might ask oneself, in these enlightened times, why this is so. We never challenge the reason why our remote control works, why TV’s function the way they do, why aircraft fly, why our PC’s work, and yet some still question the veracity of four hundred thousand people who sent man to the moon in 1969.
Charles Dickens said in a Christmas Carol there are two things which plague the world, these are ignorance and want. Although much has been done in recent times to reduce want, ignorance is still
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Apollo is not a belief system as you put it , there are six Apollo spacecraft on the moon,. “Open minded” as the conspiracy theorist would have you believe can be defined as "the willingness to be deceived.
Much of the research NASA undertook does directly influences our everyday lives, you are sitting in front of one part of it. They developed the worlds first integrated circuits, you are simply ignorant of these facts. Have a guess how many patents where taken out by NASA during Apollo project?
I challenge you to post any part of the Apollo record which you can prove to be false.
Anecdotal, I heard someone who knew someone, who knew his mum evidence cuts no ice with me.

Further, you have not answered my refutation of your totally false claim about the Royal Photographic Society.
Posting this again, just in case Tommo missed it. I understand your dying to reply.
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Old 13-12-2012, 09:37 PM   #248
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Made one with a bit higher contrast so the stuff on the moon shows more clearly.

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Old 13-12-2012, 09:48 PM   #249
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...... you won.....


it is not about winning or losing,

it is about the analysis of the anomalies within the "raw scan" image you posted.

Especially the circle and rectangle center top.
It could be something completely innocent.

Any ideas ?
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it is not about winning or losing,
Good, I feel the same.

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it is about the analysis of the anomalies within the "raw scan" image you posted.

Especially the circle and rectangle center top.
It could be something completely innocent.

Any ideas ?
Yep. The low resolution is 1/80 the megapixel size of the high resolution scan and 9 times smaller in size. That amounts to a lot of compression and leads to artifacts.

Any ideas why the high resolution has none of these artifacts? See above
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Made one with a bit higher contrast so the stuff on the moon shows more clearly.
Very nice, I see nothing that is out of the ordinary, and what's more, I bet oooooooooo doesn't either.
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Old 13-12-2012, 10:47 PM   #252
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Very nice, I see nothing that is out of the ordinary, and what's more, I bet oooooooooo doesn't either.
Figures.
Apparently there's nothing out of the ordinary there. We're just not told.
Bigger version: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...NN9HZl8L-JNvns
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Good, I feel the same.



Yep. The low resolution is 1/80 the megapixel size of the high resolution scan and 9 times smaller in size. That amounts to a lot of compression and leads to artifacts.

Any ideas why the high resolution has none of these artifacts? See above
post a "high res raw scan" of the same image and lets have a look.

No more moving of the goal posts.
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post a "high res raw scan" of the same image and lets have a look.

No more moving of the goal posts.
The goalposts weren't moved at all. In any world, how could you possibly expect the same level of detail in a low resolution jpeg???

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Truegroup, with regard to the photo below, why is the moon in black and white while the earth is in full color?

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Truegroup, with regard to the photo below, why is the moon in black and white while the earth is in full color?
Dunno. Ask the bloke who created it. See post...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=248

The original low res scan here....


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Dunno. Ask the bloke who created it.
Don't you find it extremely odd that the moon is in B&W and the earth is colorized? It must have been done on purpose, but what was the purpose?
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NASA Does that a lot too.
The raw picture is a little greenish, you can compensate to take a measurement off the white dish but then the moon is een redish color. The easiest way is just to remove the color on parts you want black and white any way.
If you Google AS11-44-6642 you will see that there are no two versions alike.

This one comes from a NASA site, according to them the moon is blue.


Another NASA site:


No wait, this is from another NASA site:


And another:


Might just as well remove the color.
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Found another way they messed up the pictures.
http://images.ksc.nasa.gov/photos/19...1-44-6642.html

They just drew circles on the photo.
I hope he has pride in his work. Responsible job.
You can see it best in the white spot on the top left corner and moving to the right along the mountain.
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You posted this Raw scan earlier.
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images...11-44-6642.JPG

1,27 MB for a 20 megabit picture full of artifacts.
Try the 48Mb version then http://archive.org/download/AS11-44-...11-44-6642.tif
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