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Old 25-03-2008, 12:48 AM   #1
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Exclamation UFO's in Ancient India!

UFOs and the Vedic Literatures of Ancient India
by Richard Thompson


There is an intriguing relationship between modern UFO reports and the descriptions of the residents of other planets found in the Vedic literatures of ancient India. It turns out that there are many similarities between the modern and Vedic accounts. According to the Vedic literatures there are many inhabited planets throughout the universe and in many cases the residents of these planets possess various kinds of psychic powers and various degrees of mechanical technology. It is interesting to note that we also find these same kinds of descriptions in the modern UFO literature. I will begin by describing some mystical means of travel described in the Vedas and comparing these to modern UFO reports.

In the Mahabharata it is described that a great warrior and mystic named Arjuna was travelling on a road in outer space called the Devayana (the roadway of the demigods). He was riding on a chariot pulled by horses, but as we shall soon discover, these are not ordinary horses nor is it an ordinary chariot. Later I shall describe them and it is clear that they have many similarities to the kinds of space craft described in the modern UFO reports. We have information about the road he was riding on from a Vedic literature called the Vishnu Purana. In the Vishnu Purana the Devayana and another road called the Pitriyana are described and the positions of these roads are given in terms of star positions. The Devayana corresponds to the Milky Way -- a bright band of stars which is visible on a clear night.

In another Vedic literature called the Srimad Bhagavatam it is mentioned that mystics travel on the Milky Way in their progressive journey to higher planets or completely out of this material universe and into the transcendental realm. The Vedas describe the material realm as consisting of many roughly spherical universes. Within each universe there are many inhabited planets. In addition, the concentric shells which cover each universe are also inhabited. The residents within each universe are unable to leave that universe by ordinary material means such as space ships or rockets because material space as we know it ceases to exist after one crosses the shell corresponding to the space element. This idea is similar to one cosmographical conception in modern physics based on Einstein's general theory of relativity in which space is thought to curve back on itself in such a way that one can not escape from this universe. In other words, if you travel in a rocket in one direction away from the earth, then because the space time continuum is curved, you would, after a sufficiently long time of travel, return to the earth! According to this conception, there is no possibility for you to find out what might exist outside this universe.

In the vedic conception, each universe is bounded by shells which consist of progressively finer elements. The first shell is very gross -- it corresponds to the solid state of matter. The next shell corresponds to the liquid state of matter. The next is composed of the element of effulgence or in the language of modern physics, electromagnetic radiation. The next is made of an element which corresponds to the gaseous state of matter. Then the 5th shell is composed of the element of space itself, and the layers outside of it are composed of elements even more subtle than space itself.

Now getting back to our description of the celestial road called the Devayana, we find that the Vedas describe it also as the akash ganga or celestial Ganges River. It is interesting to note that there are traditions from various cultures throughout the world that identify the Milky Way as a path used by mystics, in other words a celetial path. The Cherokee Indians of America consider the Milky Way to be the pathway of the departing souls, and the Chinese have a description of a celestial river which corresponds to the Milky Way.

In the Vedas (SB 2.2.24) it is described that the mystics are travelling over the Milky Way by the "illuminating Susumna" which is a beam of radiant energy comming from the sun - but it is not a beam of ordinary light. It is exciting to compare this with modern UFO accounts of people travelling along beams of radiant energy. There are many reports of this type - here is a typical case. In a canyon called Tijunga Canyon which is near Los Angeles, California, a woman reported that she walked out of her house in the usual way, but then she found herself being transported upwards on a beam of radiant energy! It was carrying her upwards at about the same angle as an escalator. The difference was that an escalator has steps and ridges whereas this woman reported that the only thing transporting her up was a beam of light! In addition to the motive power of the beam, she was also able to walk up along it using her feet. She was walking with her friends.
There are many reports like this from various places - the basic theme is a beam of radiant energy with a number of persons walking on it. Now, this also fits in with Arjuna's travel on the Devayana which corresponds to the Milky Way.

It is also interesting to consider his chariot. Earlier we mentioned that it bears more resemblance to a UFO than the standard construction of a horse-drawn chariot. Here is a description of the chariot he used at the battle of Kuruksetra 5000 years ago in India: The chariot radiated light and reverberated with a deep rumbling sound. Although it is described as having a definite structure, one could not see exactly what its shape is.
Its beauty was so great that it captivated the minds of all who saw it. In modern UFO reports people often use similar language to describe the strange craft they see. One can not quite see what the shape is and it is radiating light. But it has a definite structure nonetheless.

In the UFO reports there are various descriptions of beings who walk through space, but let us also consider Arjuna's horses that were running through space. First of all, we note that Arjuna received them from a resident of another planet called Gandharvaloka where all the residents have superhuman powers. Not only this planet, but many other planets such as Siddhaloka are described as being inhabited by beings far superior to humans in either mechanical technology, psychic powers or even a combination of both. The horses are described as giving off a wonderfully beautiful fragrance, capable of travelling at the speed of the mind and capable of changing color and appearing and disappearing at will. Moreover, the horses come to their owner simply by his telepathic command and they always act according to his desire. Obviously they are not ordinary horses.

By comparison we note that in the modern UFO reports people often describe beings who are able to appear and disappear abruptly at will right before their eyes. One such case involves a man named Maurice Maset who was a farmer around the 1950s in France near a town called Valensol. He was an ordinary man and not in the habit of making up strange stories. It is reported that one day an oval-shaped craft floated down and landed on his field. Several small man-like beings came out of the craft and floated through the air while travelling. Maurice Maset said that they slid along beams of radiant effulgence. Then they slid back into their craft. The craft flew up a short distance into the air and then vanished right before his eyes. All of a sudden it disappeared. It left marks on his field.

Thus we see a strong similarity between modern UFO reports and reports found in the Vedas. In particular, we see a similarity of travel along radiant beams. In effect, Arjuna was travelling along a road of radiant energy in the stars.
In the Vedas there are descriptions of yogis travelling along paths in the sky. Actually, this is just one of the various mystic or psychic powers possessed by the yogis and various other residents of the higher planets.



In addition to these types of travel, the Vedas describe self propelled flying machines called vimanas. Some are in fact flying cities! According to the Ramayana, Ravana's capital was a floating city. In Srimad Bhagavatam it is described that a great mystic named Kardama Muni created an entire floating city in which he and his wife toured around the universe. In the tenth canto of Srimad Bhagavatam it is stated that a king name Salva enlisted the aid of an expert technologist named Maya Danava who lives on a different planet called Bila Svarga. Maya Danava built an entire flying city for Salva. Among other wonderful qualities it possessed the following:
A special navigation system for seeing at night, high speed capability to avoid detection from the ground, and the ability to become either completely invisible or to appear as if there were many copies of it flying in the sky. This is another case of being able to appear or disappear suddenly.

Of course the Vedas describe various kinds of weapons and it is interesting to note that there is a description of a kind of weapon called the brahmastra that is ammazingly similar to the modern nuclear weapons. In fact, it is superior in the respect that it can be directed to kill only one person in contrast to the modern nuclear weapons which kill thousands of innocent perople indescriminately. The brahmastra is created and directed by sound vibration. Only highly qualified persons know the art of invoking the brahmastra.
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Old 26-03-2008, 10:45 AM   #2
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UFO's have probably been around as long as we have... at least! People think they only started in the 1940's, but that's wrong. They increased their presence enormously in the 1940's, but people have been reporting them before that; they've been reporting them for as long as they've been able to without being burned at the stake for witchcraft or locked in an asylum!
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Old 26-03-2008, 07:00 PM   #3
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Great Pilgrim!

I am certain the "New Jerusalem" in the Bible is a kind of "floating city" spoken of in many sci-fi books. The movie INDEPENDENCE DAY comes to mind.

That means that this particular planet is a kind of galatcic Casablanca where various beings from different planets (demonic and angelic) come to negotiate between each other.

Peace should be our only objective.
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Old 26-03-2008, 07:49 PM   #4
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UFOs and Vimanas
By Stephen Knapp


In supplying information about the advancements of Vedic science, the subject of Vedic airplanes, vimanas, is almost in a classification of its own. Some of this information is so amazing that for some people it may border science fiction. Nonetheless, as we uncover and explain it, it provides serious food for thought.

First of all we need to understand that the Vedic conception of universal time is divided into different periods. For example, a period called one day of Brahma is equivalent to 4,320,000,000 of our years on earth. Brahma's night is equally as long and there are 360 of such days and nights in one year of Brahma. Each day of Brahma is divided into one thousand cycles of four yugas, namely Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga, and finally the Kali-yuga, which is the yuga we are presently experiencing. Satya-yuga lasts 1,728,000 years, and is an age of purity when all residents live very long lives and can be fully developed in spiritual understanding and mystical abilities and remarkable powers. Some of these abilities, or mystic siddhis, include changing one's shape, becoming very large or microscopically small, becoming very heavy or even weightless, securing any desirable thing, becoming free of all desires, or even flying through the sky to wherever one wanted to go on one's own volition. So at that time, the need for mechanical flying machines was not necessary.

As the yugas continued, the purity of the people, along with their mystical abilities, decreased by 25% in each age. The age of Treta-yuga lasts 1,296,000 years. During that age, the minds of humanity became more dense, and the ability for understanding the higher spiritual principles of the Vedic path was also more difficult. Naturally, the ability to fly through the sky by one's own power was lost. After Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga lasts 864,000 years, and Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, of which 5,000 have now already passed. At the end of Kali-yuga, the age of Satya-yuga starts again and the yugas continue through another cycle. One thousand such cycles is one day of Brahma. Now that we are in Kali-yuga, almost all spiritual understanding disappears, and whatever mystical abilities that remain are almost insignificant.

It is explained that it was not until the beginning of Treta-yuga that the development of vimanas took place. In fact, Lord Brahma, the chief demigod and engineer of the universe, is said to have developed several vimanas for some of the other demigods. These were in various natural shapes that incorporated the use of wings, such as peacocks, eagles, swans, etc. Other vimanas were developed for the wiser human beings by great seers of Vedic knowledge.

In the course of time, there were three basic types of vimanas. In Treta-yuga, men were adept in mantras or potent hymns. Thus, the vimanas of that age were powered by means of knowledge of mantras. In Dvapara-yuga, men had developed considerable knowledge of tantra, or ritual. Thus, the vimanas of Dvapara-yuga were powered by the use of tantric knowledge. In Kali-yuga, knowledge of both mantra and tantra are deficient. Thus, the vimanas of this age are known as kritaka, artificial or mechanical. In this way, there are three main types of vimanas, Vedic airplanes, according to the characteristics of each yuga.

Of these three types, there is listed 25 variations of the mantrika vimanas, 56variations of the tantrica vimanas, and 25 varieties of the kritakaah vimanas as we find today in Kali-yuga. However, in regard to the shape and construction, there is no difference between any of these vimanas, but only in how they were powered or propelled, which would be by mantras, tantras, or mechanical engines.

The controversial text known as Vimaanika Shastra, said to be by Maharshi Bharadwaja, also describes in detail the construction of what is called the mercury vortex engine. This is no doubt of the same nature as the Vedic Ion engine that is propelled by the use of mercury. Such an engine was built by Shivkar Bapuji Talpade, based on descriptions in the Rig-veda, which he demonstrated in Mumbai (Bombay), India in 1895. I more fully explained this in Chapter Three of this volume. Additional information on the mercury engines used in the vimanas can be found in the ancient Vedic text called the Samarangana Sutradhara. This text also devotes 230 verses to the use of these machines in peace and war. We will not provide the whole description of the mercury vortex engine here, but we will include a short part of William Clendenon's translation of the Samarangana Sutradhara from his 1990 book, Mercury, UFO Messenger of the Gods:

"Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its electric/ultrasonic mercury boiler at the bottom center. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky in a most marvelous manner. Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When those have been heated by controlled fire from iron containers, the vimana develops thunder-power through the mercury. At once it becomes like a pearl in the sky."

This provides a most simplistic idea of the potential of the mercury engines. This is one kind of a propulsion mechanism that the vimanas of Kali-yuga may use. Other variations are also described. Not only do these texts contain directions on how to make such engines, but they also have been found to contain flight manuals, aerial routes, procedures for normal and forced landings, instructions regarding the condition of the pilots, clothes to wear while flying, the food to bring and eat, spare parts to have, metals of which the craft needs to be made, power supplies, and so on. Other texts also provide instructions on avoiding enemy craft, how to see and hear what occupants are saying in enemy craft, how to become invisible, and even what tactics to use in case of collisions with birds. Some of these vimanas not only fly in the sky, but can also maneuver on land and fly into the sea and travel under water.

There are many ancient Vedic texts that describe or contain references to these vimanas, including the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Rig-veda, Yajur-veda, Atharva-veda, the Yuktilkalpataru of Bhoja (12th century A.D.), the Mayamatam (attributed to the architect Maya), plus other classic Vedic texts like the Satapathya Brahmana, Markandeya Purana, Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata Purana, the Harivamsa, the Uttararamcarita, the Harsacarita, the Tamil text Jivakacintamani, and others. From the various descriptions in these writings, we find vimanas in many different shapes, including that of long cigars, blimp-like, saucer-shapes, triangular, and even double-decked with portholes and a dome on top of a circular craft. Some are silent, some belch fire and make noise, some have a humming noise, and some disappear completely.

These various descriptions are not unlike the reports of UFOs that are seen today. In fact, David Childress, in his book Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India & Atlantis, provides many reports, both recent and from the last few hundred years, that describe eye witness accounts of encounters with UFOs that are no different in size and shape than those described in these ancient Vedic texts. Plus, when the pilots are seen close up, either fixing their craft or stepping outside to look around, they are human-like, sometimes with a Oriental appearance, in clothes that are relatively modern in style. In other reports, we have read where the craft may have alien type beings on board along with ordinary humans navigating the craft.

Does this mean that these are ancient vimanas that still exist today? Are they stored in some underground caverns somewhere? Or are they simply modern-built, using the ancient designs as described in the Vedic texts? The UFOs that have been seen around the world may not be from some distant galaxy, but may be from a secret human society, or even military installation. However, many of the Vedic texts do describe interplanetary travel. So even if these space machines are from some other planet, they may be using the same principles of propulsion that have already been described in the universal Vedic literature. The answer awaits us.


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good stuff, not just india either, you have the americas, egypt and the middle east.

http://www.bibleufo.com/

heres a similar thread bro.

evidence of ancient flying machines

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6382
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good stuff, not just india either, you have the americas, egypt and the middle east.
Yup, they hide all this stuff from us and call it "Mythology"!
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On account of humans natural fear of the Naga Kingdoms, I assume.

It WILL be nice to leave this primitive planet behind.
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the primitive planet that gave rise to everything you know, have known or will ever know. what a ridiculously ill thought out comment.
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good stuff, not just india either, you have the americas, egypt and the middle east.

http://www.bibleufo.com/

heres a similar thread bro.

evidence of ancient flying machines

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6382
Prior to the war described in the Mahabharata there were no different countries as we have today. One civilization world wide.

"Vyasadeva made a fifth Veda, known as Mahabharata, or the great history of India.
The original Bharata and modern India are not the same. The original Bharata means the whole planet earth. Having been gradually divided, the modern India is only a fractional part of the original Bharata."
(A C Bhaktivedanta Swami)
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Prior to the war described in the Mahabharata there were no different countries as we have today. One civilization world wide.
I'm not so sure about that Harry.

AFAIK from the ancient texts there are some who claim there were at least two: Atlantis and Lemuria.
Two rival civilisations who came into conflict...
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Thanks for posting about this mate...always been one of my core subjects since i started being interested in UFO's etc

Would love to read the ancient engineer books explaining the workings of the crafts!
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I'm not so sure about that Harry.

AFAIK from the ancient texts there are some who claim there were at least two: Atlantis and Lemuria.
Two rival civilisations who came into conflict...
Which texts do you refer to?
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